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The whole thing has me slightly confused. The way I understand it, Pell's whole case was that he's innocent because there was no way he would've been in that room that soon after mass and it was a crowded area where people would be coming and going.

But then (again as I understand it), once he was found guilty, his lawyer then claimed it was "less than six minutes" or whatever he said, but that's only because they can't argue the innocent plea anymore?

Is that how it works, TR? If so, that's **** stupid.
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There will be a **** storm if Pell avoids prison on a technicality after the comments from his SC.
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The Rickman wrote:The whole thing has me slightly confused. The way I understand it, Pell's whole case was that he's innocent because there was no way he would've been in that room that soon after mass and it was a crowded area where people would be coming and going.

But then (again as I understand it), once he was found guilty, his lawyer then claimed it was "less than six minutes" or whatever he said, but that's only because they can't argue the innocent plea anymore?

Is that how it works, TR? If so, that's **** stupid.
An appeal will be on procedural grounds, I imagine. It won't consider evidence not submitted at the original trial.

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Here’s more info about what the appeal might do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconvers ... ion-112620
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Schifty wrote:"Pell’s defence lawyer Robert Richter:

https://twitter.com/Eliza_Rugg9/status/ ... 6395797504

And yes you're reading that correctly, that is what the DEFENCE said in court....
Jesus that is mind blowingly awful
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You can put the submission without any admission to guilt based on the prosecutors facts.

Ie I am not guilty, but even if you are to believe the prosecutors facts it was only 6 minutes.

Though I agree with the sentiment on this thread.
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So the church knew about allegations about Pell for over 20 years and found if right to make him a cardinal and only start investigating it now he’s been found guilty.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victori ... 1551921380

While it’s obvious I have an issue with organized religion the Catholic Church is the worst of the worst due to their setup up, an organization with difinitive hierarchy, their own country and diplomatic immunity, it’s ridiculous the world has allowed them so much power.

Hitchens can run through their crimes against humanity better than I could.

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Manbush wrote: March 7, 2019, 12:56 pm So the church knew about allegations about Pell for over 20 years and found if right to make him a cardinal and only start investigating it now he’s been found guilty.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victori ... 1551921380

While it’s obvious I have an issue with organized religion the Catholic Church is the worst of the worst due to their setup up, an organization with difinitive hierarchy, their own country and diplomatic immunity, it’s ridiculous the world has allowed them so much power.

Hitchens can run through their crimes against humanity better than I could.

Isn't that the debate where Fry makes the comments you posted out of context earlier in the thread?
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Shouldn't that be in the Religion thread?
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Northern Raider wrote:Shouldn't that be in the Religion thread?
There is no Religion thread anymore. GE closed it because dubby couldn’t handle people handing his **** to him on a repeated basis over his homophobic views.


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The Rickman wrote: March 7, 2019, 3:48 pm
Northern Raider wrote:Shouldn't that be in the Religion thread?
There is no Religion thread anymore. GE closed it because dubby couldn’t handle people handing his **** to him on a repeated basis over his homophobic views.


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Thats a shame. It was much better when all religious debate was contained in one thread. Made it so much easier to ignore.
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Green eyed Mick wrote: March 7, 2019, 3:18 pm
Isn't that the debate where Fry makes the comments you posted out of context earlier in the thread?
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Haven’t watched that whole debate in a while but I don’t believe so, from memory it was more in relation to a bill which could allow comedians and writers to be prosecuted if they caused offense.
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Northern Raider wrote: March 7, 2019, 3:45 pm Shouldn't that be in the Religion thread?
With Pell and everything else happening with the CC I’d say it fits both categories.
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Manbush wrote: March 7, 2019, 5:55 pm
Northern Raider wrote: March 7, 2019, 3:45 pm Shouldn't that be in the Religion thread?
With Pell and everything else happening with the CC I’d say it fits both categories.
No it doesn't
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Meanwhile in America Trump has been hanging out with the owner of the "Massage parlour" that the owner of the patriots was caught at and even had her at white house meetings.
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Schifty wrote: March 9, 2019, 8:02 am Meanwhile in America Trump has been hanging out with the owner of the "Massage parlour" that the owner of the patriots was caught at and even had her at white house meetings.
And signing Bibles :lol:
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Ok can I get a show of hands as to who had "Canberra politician Giulia Jones has linked a bill to force Catholic priests to report child abuse disclosed in confession to the Christchurch shootings, saying they both targeted people of faith." in the What stupid **** our politicians will say this week bingo?

https://twitter.com/jcobevans/status/11 ... 1073510400
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Schifty wrote: March 19, 2019, 7:51 pm Ok can I get a show of hands as to who had "Canberra politician Giulia Jones has linked a bill to force Catholic priests to report child abuse disclosed in confession to the Christchurch shootings, saying they both targeted people of faith." in the What stupid **** our politicians will say this week bingo?

https://twitter.com/jcobevans/status/11 ... 1073510400
Linda Reynolds comments on Q&A were pretty ****ing dumb and she continued the time honoured coalition tradition of conflating terrorism with refugees.
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Reynolds rants were bizarre, especially after spending 5 minutes telling everyone "Stop trying to politicise this"

Jones still wins for me though. To respond to laws making reporting child abuse mandatory with that is next level.
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Come on NSW Mark Latham seriously? :rant
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Labor with a swing against it in nsw despite whats happening with the liberal feds.

Pretty impressive from labor :P
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Nats lost 40% of their primary vote in Orange :shock:
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I came here to read about politics in 2018 and all I got was a bunch of 2019 politics
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I find it odd that the shooters are picking up so much votes given what happened in nz
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papabear wrote: March 25, 2019, 8:00 pm I find it odd that the shooters are picking up so much votes given what happened in nz
There was a big "Anyone but Nats" campaign in regional NSW.

Also one of the Fs stands for farmers and the water thing was a big factor.

They also fielded an articulate candidate

https://twitter.com/andrewwhiteau/statu ... 4917238784

Don't think the SFF runs federally but if some strong independents run up there Nats are in big trouble.
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SO one Nation has been meeting with the NRA to learn about trying to weaken gun laws and were even hopeful for 20 Million is funding from them.

https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/11 ... 6305822720

But yes, please tell me how it should be a seat by seat basis on whether they should be preferenced
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What if Zombie Hitler runs in one of the seats? You’re damn well gonna preference One Nation!

Do you even think about these things Schifty?!
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gangrenous wrote: March 26, 2019, 5:39 pm What if Zombie Hitler runs in one of the seats? You’re damn well gonna preference One Nation!

Do you even think about these things Schifty?!
Look is Zombie Hitler came back there would be no chance he'd have time to run for politics with all his sky news commitments
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Well that was more sickening that I could ever imagine.
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I watched it with my wife.

To be honest it could strengthen one nation.

ABC and Al Jazeera are exposing one nation to new audiences and with a hidden camera without consent it was underhanded.
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https://www.news.com.au/national/federa ... 2bc3e5ad5e

Good to see Bill invoking class warfare and bringing property into the election.

The more bill brings up property the more votes he loses.
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Schifty wrote: March 25, 2019, 8:31 pm
papabear wrote: March 25, 2019, 8:00 pm I find it odd that the shooters are picking up so much votes given what happened in nz
There was a big "Anyone but Nats" campaign in regional NSW.

Also one of the Fs stands for farmers and the water thing was a big factor.

They also fielded an articulate candidate

https://twitter.com/andrewwhiteau/statu ... 4917238784

Don't think the SFF runs federally but if some strong independents run up there Nats are in big trouble.
Still, all I have read of that party is there efforts to get shooting in national parks and gun laws softened. Haven't ever read them fighting the farmers or water battle.
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papabear wrote: March 27, 2019, 9:27 am https://www.news.com.au/national/federa ... 2bc3e5ad5e

Good to see Bill invoking class warfare and bringing property into the election.

The more bill brings up property the more votes he loses.
The whole generational privilege thing certainly worked for Bill. His lawyer parents ensured that he went to all the best schools, all the way up until the Unions paid for his Melbourne University MBA for him.

I really struggle with the basic premise of Shorten's class warrior stance.
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papabear wrote: March 27, 2019, 9:27 am https://www.news.com.au/national/federa ... 2bc3e5ad5e

Good to see Bill invoking class warfare and bringing property into the election.

The more bill brings up property the more votes he loses.
The whole generational privilege thing certainly worked for Bill. His lawyer parents ensured that he went to all the best schools, all the way up until the Unions paid for his Melbourne University MBA for him.

I really struggle with the basic premise of Shorten's class warrior stance.
He is a ****. What's to get?
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