for $450k per year instead of $1.2M... must be some pretty damn fine sand on them beaches there.Timbo wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 10:30 amWhat's the difference? They'll just lie.greeneyed wrote: ↑September 4, 2018, 10:12 pmSalaries MUST be made public.Johno wrote: ↑September 4, 2018, 10:11 pm We are in the market for a fringe utility first grader with past concussion issues from the Roosters, yes we have signed others but not big names.
The Roosters sign:
Ryan Hall, English international,
Crichton from Souths
Brett Morris seasoned SOO and International in twilight but goes well still
Re sign Victor Radley, Boyd Cordner, Jake Friend, Luke Keary, Isaac Liu, Joseph Manu, Latrell Mitchell.
This year signed Cooper Cronk and Tedesco.
Its wrong and the $ should be more public so there is NO WAY the cap can be manipulated, no TPA's.
Its killing the game and the passion of many fans
Does anyone really think that Milford knocked back the deal we put to him just so he could play under the amazing Wayne?
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Yeah I don’t think he’d be commanding that much at all. He’d be on next to minimum wage at Easts currently and most teams are pretty set for second rowers.
Souths are the obvious suitors but I doubt they’d be offering anywhere near that.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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I don’t think NRL players are ready for public disclosure of their Salary and payments.
But the NRL and the integrity commission should have full access to players salary, bank account, phone records and tax returns.
All 16 club boards should have access to all these details at the end of every season, with the individual players names and identities removed and key data scrubbed.
This will actually help the players and the game in the long term. And most importantly improve the public’s trust in the honesty of the players and the code.
But the NRL and the integrity commission should have full access to players salary, bank account, phone records and tax returns.
All 16 club boards should have access to all these details at the end of every season, with the individual players names and identities removed and key data scrubbed.
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Matterson will be coming off his rookie contract, so yes, on not much ATM. When he plays, he is good. The Q is, do you want him as your 1st choice 5/8?
As for salary disclosure, its a must. Only way to make the cap transparent.
If the NRL and players really have issue with the public knowing it, fine, dont tell us, the fans, the public, but at the very least every club needs access, at anytime to that info, 24/7. Which of course would just lead to leaks, but so be it.
As for salary disclosure, its a must. Only way to make the cap transparent.
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Matterson would be an excellent addition to the squad. Genuine talent and very versatile. Can play middle or edge forward, 5/8 and centre. Much like Whitehead he's more effective as a forward.
Where he fits in our squad is the key. I'd see him as 1st backup in a number of positions. A certainty for the 17 each week. May not necessarily start unless there's injury or suspension.
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I think the real question is, do you want Matterson, Williams or Wighton as your first-choice 5/8?Matt wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 12:09 pm Matterson will be coming off his rookie contract, so yes, on not much ATM. When he plays, he is good. The Q is, do you want him as your 1st choice 5/8?
As for salary disclosure, its a must. Only way to make the cap transparent.
If the NRL and players really have issue with the public knowing it, fine, dont tell us, the fans, the public, but at the very least every club needs access, at anytime to that info, 24/7. Which of course would just lead to leaks, but so be it.
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I watched him really close for first half of the year playing 2nd row. More than handy.
Runs very good lines off the halves, and was always working with decoys. Has a very good offload, and obviously as a half in juniors he can pass well, but he didn’t do much of that while in the 2nd row. Interestingly, even though he’s a half turned forward, he played very traditional line running play.
Defensive wise was very good. Works very hard. Even though he was on the edge he racks up the tackles as he follows play and gets involved. Much like Whitehead.
There were multiple weeks where I thought he was probably among the best edge forward in the round. Was churning out some really good football.
Really weird what happened with his concussion. Hasn’t been back to what he was doing. Pretty sure it was a football kicked into his head as well? I just wonder what the go is with that, and if it’s a coincidence he’s being shopped now...
I’d be chasing him hard as a second rower, as long as that concussion thing is sorted. He’s seriously top shelf on the edge.
As a half I’m not sure. Better than Austin definitely.
Runs very good lines off the halves, and was always working with decoys. Has a very good offload, and obviously as a half in juniors he can pass well, but he didn’t do much of that while in the 2nd row. Interestingly, even though he’s a half turned forward, he played very traditional line running play.
Defensive wise was very good. Works very hard. Even though he was on the edge he racks up the tackles as he follows play and gets involved. Much like Whitehead.
There were multiple weeks where I thought he was probably among the best edge forward in the round. Was churning out some really good football.
Really weird what happened with his concussion. Hasn’t been back to what he was doing. Pretty sure it was a football kicked into his head as well? I just wonder what the go is with that, and if it’s a coincidence he’s being shopped now...
I’d be chasing him hard as a second rower, as long as that concussion thing is sorted. He’s seriously top shelf on the edge.
As a half I’m not sure. Better than Austin definitely.
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I can make an argument for any. Im not sure TBH.Timbo wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 12:26 pmI think the real question is, do you want Matterson, Williams or Wighton as your first-choice 5/8?Matt wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 12:09 pm Matterson will be coming off his rookie contract, so yes, on not much ATM. When he plays, he is good. The Q is, do you want him as your 1st choice 5/8?
As for salary disclosure, its a must. Only way to make the cap transparent.
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Whats more troubling Matt is you could make a very strong case AGAINST everyone on that list.Matt wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 1:08 pmI can make an argument for any. Im not sure TBH.Timbo wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 12:26 pmI think the real question is, do you want Matterson, Williams or Wighton as your first-choice 5/8?Matt wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 12:09 pm Matterson will be coming off his rookie contract, so yes, on not much ATM. When he plays, he is good. The Q is, do you want him as your 1st choice 5/8?
As for salary disclosure, its a must. Only way to make the cap transparent.
If the NRL and players really have issue with the public knowing it, fine, dont tell us, the fans, the public, but at the very least every club needs access, at anytime to that info, 24/7. Which of course would just lead to leaks, but so be it.
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Papalli is a middle forward and has been for a couple of years even though we recently switched him (IMO), called for it last year. Not mobile enough in defence for the edge.
Apparently Bateman is good in the middle too.
I know most people dont' agree with me, but I think Tapine is just as good or better in the middle. I know he's been great on the edge this year, but I've seen signs from him that I saw in Papalli - he can get beaten for mobility in defence on the edge. His offload, footwork and fend can be used to great effect in the middle - like Pangai.
If we are redesigning our defence, and we should, I'd have Papalli and Tapine at Prop with someone like Bateman at lock. Middle becomes fast, mobile and explosive. Defensive middle can work harder like top sides.
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Yep, that too.Coastalraider wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 1:43 pmWhats more troubling Matt is you could make a very strong case AGAINST everyone on that list.Matt wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 1:08 pmI can make an argument for any. Im not sure TBH.Timbo wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 12:26 pmI think the real question is, do you want Matterson, Williams or Wighton as your first-choice 5/8?Matt wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 12:09 pm Matterson will be coming off his rookie contract, so yes, on not much ATM. When he plays, he is good. The Q is, do you want him as your 1st choice 5/8?
As for salary disclosure, its a must. Only way to make the cap transparent.
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I dont hate this line of thinking either. Has meritBeejay wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 2:09 pmPapalli is a middle forward and has been for a couple of years even though we recently switched him (IMO), called for it last year. Not mobile enough in defence for the edge.
Apparently Bateman is good in the middle too.
I know most people dont' agree with me, but I think Tapine is just as good or better in the middle. I know he's been great on the edge this year, but I've seen signs from him that I saw in Papalli - he can get beaten for mobility in defence on the edge. His offload, footwork and fend can be used to great effect in the middle - like Pangai.
If we are redesigning our defence, and we should, I'd have Papalli and Tapine at Prop with someone like Bateman at lock. Middle becomes fast, mobile and explosive. Defensive middle can work harder like top sides.
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Kinda moot discussion though. He's a ready made replacement for Crichton at the Bunnies. We would need to seriously outbid them for him to consider leaving inner Sydney. That would mean paying overs. Better keeping money in the war chest for a position of greater need.
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I reckon you guys are still in a bit of denial about what we need to pay players.
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Signing with the Tigers apparently.
NRL: Wests Tigers poised to sign Sydney Roosters utility Ryan Matterson
The Tigers have beaten a host of clubs to sign Roosters utility Ryan Matterson for next season. Matterson is poised to sign a two-year deal with the Tigers after WWOS revealed earlier this week that he had been given permission to negotiate with rival clubs.
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NRL: Wests Tigers poised to sign Sydney Roosters utility Ryan Matterson
The Tigers have beaten a host of clubs to sign Roosters utility Ryan Matterson for next season. Matterson is poised to sign a two-year deal with the Tigers after WWOS revealed earlier this week that he had been given permission to negotiate with rival clubs.
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I’ve been pretty vocal with mates about Tapine being best on the edge and also being reluctant to switch Papa to prop but I could be open to this plan. It’s a dynamic list compared to the 2018 model. Would be the first time we’d have line-breaking, try-scoring starting props since...maybe ever?Matt wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 2:38 pmI dont hate this line of thinking either. Has meritBeejay wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 2:09 pmPapalli is a middle forward and has been for a couple of years even though we recently switched him (IMO), called for it last year. Not mobile enough in defence for the edge.
Apparently Bateman is good in the middle too.
I know most people dont' agree with me, but I think Tapine is just as good or better in the middle. I know he's been great on the edge this year, but I've seen signs from him that I saw in Papalli - he can get beaten for mobility in defence on the edge. His offload, footwork and fend can be used to great effect in the middle - like Pangai.
If we are redesigning our defence, and we should, I'd have Papalli and Tapine at Prop with someone like Bateman at lock. Middle becomes fast, mobile and explosive. Defensive middle can work harder like top sides.
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Looks a solid squadRuben Daley wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 9:37 pmI’ve been pretty vocal with mates about Tapine being best on the edge and also being reluctant to switch Papa to prop but I could be open to this plan. It’s a dynamic list compared to the 2018 model. Would be the first time we’d have line-breaking, try-scoring starting props since...maybe ever?Matt wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 2:38 pmI dont hate this line of thinking either. Has meritBeejay wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 2:09 pmPapalli is a middle forward and has been for a couple of years even though we recently switched him (IMO), called for it last year. Not mobile enough in defence for the edge.
Apparently Bateman is good in the middle too.
I know most people dont' agree with me, but I think Tapine is just as good or better in the middle. I know he's been great on the edge this year, but I've seen signs from him that I saw in Papalli - he can get beaten for mobility in defence on the edge. His offload, footwork and fend can be used to great effect in the middle - like Pangai.
If we are redesigning our defence, and we should, I'd have Papalli and Tapine at Prop with someone like Bateman at lock. Middle becomes fast, mobile and explosive. Defensive middle can work harder like top sides.
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9. Hodgson
10. Tapine
11. Whitehead
12. Matterson
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What we need to pay players or what we do pay them?edwahu wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 6:47 pmI reckon you guys are still in a bit of denial about what we need to pay players.
Two different things... and only one way to put an end to it.
We dont need to overpay players, particularly not young unproven guys who want a shot (which is not to be confused with young unproven superstars who you'd happily give the earth too, like Kayln Ponga) . NRL roster spots are a zero sum game.
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I dont see why we need to recruit any more forwards other than for depth, and I dont know if even that is required. If a great half was to become available that would be nice, but we beat the roosters and souths after our season was over, with Williams and Austin in the halves.
Im not saying Williams is any kind of football genius, but the team can perform fine with the current list.
With Bateman and Sutton, knight, Murchie and Guler coming in, we have a more than competitive team list. Getting them to perform consistently somewhere near their potential is all that is required.
Im not saying Williams is any kind of football genius, but the team can perform fine with the current list.
With Bateman and Sutton, knight, Murchie and Guler coming in, we have a more than competitive team list. Getting them to perform consistently somewhere near their potential is all that is required.
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I know where you are coming from, but at the same time we are effectively frozen out of signing any NRL first grader if we decide not to overpay. Whether we can remain competitive without access to those players is debatable.Pigman wrote: ↑September 6, 2018, 7:50 amWhat we need to pay players or what we do pay them?edwahu wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 6:47 pmI reckon you guys are still in a bit of denial about what we need to pay players.
Two different things... and only one way to put an end to it.
We dont need to overpay players, particularly not young unproven guys who want a shot (which is not to be confused with young unproven superstars who you'd happily give the earth too, like Kayln Ponga) . NRL roster spots are a zero sum game.
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I think we have a pretty good team. And we are salary cap compliant. Are we moaning because we are not able to rort the system with a dragons hoard of 3rd party payments?edwahu wrote: ↑September 6, 2018, 9:53 amI know where you are coming from, but at the same time we are effectively frozen out of signing any NRL first grader if we decide not to overpay. Whether we can remain competitive without access to those players is debatable.Pigman wrote: ↑September 6, 2018, 7:50 amWhat we need to pay players or what we do pay them?edwahu wrote: ↑September 5, 2018, 6:47 pmI reckon you guys are still in a bit of denial about what we need to pay players.
Two different things... and only one way to put an end to it.
We dont need to overpay players, particularly not young unproven guys who want a shot (which is not to be confused with young unproven superstars who you'd happily give the earth too, like Kayln Ponga) . NRL roster spots are a zero sum game.
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Well it would be nice.woppadingo wrote: ↑September 6, 2018, 11:43 amI think we have a pretty good team. And we are salary cap compliant. Are we moaning because we are not able to rort the system with a dragons hoard of 3rd party payments?edwahu wrote: ↑September 6, 2018, 9:53 amI know where you are coming from, but at the same time we are effectively frozen out of signing any NRL first grader if we decide not to overpay. Whether we can remain competitive without access to those players is debatable.Pigman wrote: ↑September 6, 2018, 7:50 amWhat we need to pay players or what we do pay them?
Two different things... and only one way to put an end to it.
We dont need to overpay players, particularly not young unproven guys who want a shot (which is not to be confused with young unproven superstars who you'd happily give the earth too, like Kayln Ponga) . NRL roster spots are a zero sum game.
We have a bottom of the 8 squad at the moment and that's traditionally where we sit talent wise, but if we can't buy first grade players than we are at risk of not even been that competitive long term.
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Hey unfair call guys. The Roosters and Broncos already have this Player Salary public reporting system in place. See for yourself.
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There is no doubt still an opportunity for clubs to cheat, but the relative transparency and the existence of the data as it is just adds to the curiosity for the sport and it's fans and after perhaps an initial phase of "you're paying him how much?", I think it would be a positive outcome.
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Absolutely.hrundi89 wrote: ↑September 6, 2018, 4:06 pm There is no doubt still an opportunity for clubs to cheat, but the relative transparency and the existence of the data as it is just adds to the curiosity for the sport and it's fans and after perhaps an initial phase of "you're paying him how much?", I think it would be a positive outcome.
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It would be very interesting, but if you look at examples from overseas you have to remember they have a huge amount of other restrictions and mechanisms in place.
The NBA CBA is 600 pages and probably 500 is devoted to the rules on the cap, draft, free agency and their enforcement. Those working together provide for different strategies for managing a roster and are what generates the interest, whereas in the NRL I think it would be a bit of a dead end for fans after the initial reveal.
It would definitely be a start though.
The NBA CBA is 600 pages and probably 500 is devoted to the rules on the cap, draft, free agency and their enforcement. Those working together provide for different strategies for managing a roster and are what generates the interest, whereas in the NRL I think it would be a bit of a dead end for fans after the initial reveal.
It would definitely be a start though.
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PREACH IT! Sing it from the hilltops until they yield.hrundi89 wrote: ↑September 6, 2018, 4:06 pm There is no doubt still an opportunity for clubs to cheat, but the relative transparency and the existence of the data as it is just adds to the curiosity for the sport and it's fans and after perhaps an initial phase of "you're paying him how much?", I think it would be a positive outcome.
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**** your privacy. You want to play professional sports, have punters pay their hard earn to pay your wage, have government/tax payers fund your facilities, give your leagues clubs grants to make your club, and your income sustainable, coaches and ceo's want to use your salary as justification for poor performance, YOU, THE ATHLETE, you hide behind wilful ignorance to skate on punishment for salary cap cheating...
Fine. Public salaries and life bans for players who salary doesn't the publicly listed salary. Transparency, accountability, and the end of salary cap cheating over night, for the price of a minor invasion of your privacy, the likes of which every other elite athlete in the world accepts.
And stop pretending like you're the only industry who has this, anyone armed with the google and my job classification can obtain my salary, so **** your privacy. The public and organisational benefits far out weigh you Bull privacy concerns.
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ThisPigman wrote:PREACH IT! Sing it from the hilltops until they yield.hrundi89 wrote: ↑September 6, 2018, 4:06 pm There is no doubt still an opportunity for clubs to cheat, but the relative transparency and the existence of the data as it is just adds to the curiosity for the sport and it's fans and after perhaps an initial phase of "you're paying him how much?", I think it would be a positive outcome.
www.overthecap.com
**** your privacy. You want to play professional sports, have punters pay their hard earn to pay your wage, have government/tax payers fund your facilities, give your leagues clubs grants to make your club, and your income sustainable, coaches and ceo's want to use your salary as justification for poor performance, YOU, THE ATHLETE, you hide behind wilful ignorance to skate on punishment for salary cap cheating...
Fine. Public salaries and life bans for players who salary doesn't the publicly listed salary. Transparency, accountability, and the end of salary cap cheating over night, for the price of a minor invasion of your privacy, the likes of which every other elite athlete in the world accepts.
And stop pretending like you're the only industry who has this, anyone armed with the google and my job classification can obtain my salary, so **** your privacy. The public and organisational benefits far out weigh you Bull privacy concerns.
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Boycott until they do.greeneyed wrote: ↑September 4, 2018, 10:12 pmSalaries MUST be made public.Johno wrote: ↑September 4, 2018, 10:11 pm We are in the market for a fringe utility first grader with past concussion issues from the Roosters, yes we have signed others but not big names.
The Roosters sign:
Ryan Hall, English international,
Crichton from Souths
Brett Morris seasoned SOO and International in twilight but goes well still
Re sign Victor Radley, Boyd Cordner, Jake Friend, Luke Keary, Isaac Liu, Joseph Manu, Latrell Mitchell.
This year signed Cooper Cronk and Tedesco.
Its wrong and the $ should be more public so there is NO WAY the cap can be manipulated, no TPA's.
Its killing the game and the passion of many fans
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So that's 600k off the roosters cap for 2019