They were sixth at the start of the round, and just two games, now three, had been played.yeh raiders wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 9:59 pmAccording to NRL.com, they’re 4th.greeneyed wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 9:49 pmNo, they're in sixth.yeh raiders wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 9:00 pm I think Hodgo led us around the park very well tonight.
We were down and out, had key players missing, some very questionable positional decisions from Ricky and kept copping the raw end of the stick from the refs.
Despite that, we fought all the way to the final bell against a team who have been killing it of late, playing at home and are coming 4th.
Good effort.
Anyway, the discussion over playing to the whistle isn’t worth arguing because as quoted from NR 99.9% of the time what happened, doesn’t happen.
If the Refs don’t **** up in the first place, we don’t talk about it. It’s that simple.
Any footballer with an ounce of intuition sees the flag go up and hears the ref say “knock on” and stops playing.
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It’s absolutely not the way it is. Shall we make a wager on whether you can point us to another instance of this in the remainder of the season?Pigman wrote:It's not nonsense. It's the way it is.gangrenous wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 9:58 pmPigman wrote:Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 9:26 pmOnly happens when a player is diving for the corner. That’s not calling play on. I’m talking about a touchy putting the flag up in general play.
You’re taking the ‘play the whistle’ argument a bit too far here.
Yes, it is general play.
If your position is once the official raises his flag the play is dead and the on field ref cant over-rule him then anytime the touchie raises his flag, there CAN NOT by rule be a VR referral.
That is not the case. PLay is allowed to go on to confirm the sideline officials decision. As it was here.
This is nonsense. If the touchie raises his flag and a try is not scored within the time it takes to react to that, then play will be stopped EVERY SINGLE TIME.
You trolling piggles? This is bad.
The call should not have been over turned, why that is being buried is beyond. The VR had every chance to uphold a correct ruling of knock on, and didn't
That's the real crime here.
The way it is is the touchie puts up his flag and the bloody game stops except for what was in the course of immediate action.
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So if I can find one occurrence where a touchie puts his flag up and a try is awarded
I win?
What stakes are you putting down?
I win?
What stakes are you putting down?
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I just saw Luke Phillips (yes, a known Sutton agitator I acknowledge that) state on twitter that refs are not permitted to use the video ref once a touch judges flag goes up.
Can anyone verify the legitimacy of that statement? Makes it an even more disgraceful turn of events if the statement is correct.
Can anyone verify the legitimacy of that statement? Makes it an even more disgraceful turn of events if the statement is correct.
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That’s not the argument and you know it weasel man.Pigman wrote:So if I can find one occurrence where a touchie puts his flag up and a try is awarded
I win?
What stakes are you putting down?
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What is the argument then?gangrenous wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 10:22 pmThat’s not the argument and you know it weasel man.Pigman wrote:So if I can find one occurrence where a touchie puts his flag up and a try is awarded
I win?
What stakes are you putting down?
When does the line in the sand get drawn? If the play is ongoing, ill make the bet. Play is continuous lets do it... if you want to state something else, state it and lets dance.
You're move, pal.
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So you’re looking for an instance where the linesman raises his flag and the referees and players have seen the flag raised play continues after this and a try is scored.
You on for that?
This is not the flag goes up as the player is diving for the corner. This is the play is deliberately allowed to continue after a flag is raised like playing advantage.
You on for that?
This is not the flag goes up as the player is diving for the corner. This is the play is deliberately allowed to continue after a flag is raised like playing advantage.
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So much drivel. So asinine.
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Lui_Bon, I think all humans make mistakes and there were some decisions which were questionable against the Raiders in this game. There would normally be some evening out of these decisions but that did not really happen tonight. But I agree with our Captain - the first half performance of the Raiders cost us the match. Hodgo said:
"I was on the inside and you saw the touchie put the flag up and then half put it down. As soon as you see a flag you stop your feet. If you watch the video back the ref [keeps going to blow the whistle]," Hodgson said.
"We were all just waiting for the whistle. We all just stopped and he ran through and scored. He called no try, you've got to give proof it's definitely not a try.
"Once it goes to the Bunker, the only feedback you get is there's nothing we can do now. Constantly all night I was asking questions, I rather got not much or that was what I thought. The feedback was very short.
"Don't get me wrong, I don't want everyone to start thinking this cost us the game and we're having a whinge about the refs. Our first half cost us the game, we're not kidding ourselves with that.
"But there were certainly a few factors that added to that. We're holding ourselves accountable. We're not blaming everything on someone else."
This is just so refreshing in its honesty to me. He speaks with conviction. He points out where we need to improve. We rarely heard anything like that before. I hope his knee is not too bad as he limped off following the game and had hurt his right knee midway through the first half.
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A. He knows he won't catch anything!
A. He knows he won't catch anything!
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I only just got to watch the game as Jetstar are the worst airline in the history of Australia (six hours delay on a one hour flight).... Wow.... Even the first half the refs were **** pathetic... Every call going the way of the Sharks, they lose the ball it was stripped, they drop it, must have been us knocking it on... And then that second half... Calling passes which were not only backwards out of the hands but caught behind where the ball was thrown forward.... The touch judge proving beyond a doubt they should all be sacked as they are the most useless things out there.... Just **** pathetic...
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The bottom line is the NRL has already admitted that the touch judge put his flag up when he shouldn't have. This interfered with the play. The referee should have simply stopped the match at that point, due to the error... because it put the defenders off. The officials can't interfere like this in the play. They have, and they have a duty to stop the play. I'm still stunned by the fact that the bunker didn't simply say that. And I'm stunned they didn't listen to the audio to see a whistle was blown.
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Well that was an absolute crock.
To quote the NRL:
I'd pretty much given up on our season before this game, but for it to end like that is disgusting.
If the officials got either of those calls right, it'd be Shane Flanagan saying "we lost that game due to our second half", rather than Ricky blaming the Raiders' first half.
Each team can point put their hands up for their own faults, they were equally imperfect, but the balance leaned our way and the officials imposed some sort of absurd destruction on that game - like a bull in a china shop.
To quote the NRL:
... and then the 'forward' pass."The touchy shouldn't have raised his flag, that was an error, and then play should've stopped at that point," an NRL spokesman said.
I'd pretty much given up on our season before this game, but for it to end like that is disgusting.
If the officials got either of those calls right, it'd be Shane Flanagan saying "we lost that game due to our second half", rather than Ricky blaming the Raiders' first half.
Each team can point put their hands up for their own faults, they were equally imperfect, but the balance leaned our way and the officials imposed some sort of absurd destruction on that game - like a bull in a china shop.
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But... isn’t he concerned about unwanted pregnancy?Billy Walker wrote:Q. Why doesn't Brad Abby use condoms?
A. He knows he won't catch anything!
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100% agree with you. But let's pretend for a moment that we were okay with everything up until that point, the fact it went up as "no try" means they need to be certain there was no knock on. Even if you argue you can't be sure there was it doesn't matter - they needed to be certain there wasn't to award that a try. It is just a howler of a call on many levelsgreeneyed wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 10:36 pm The bottom line is the NRL has already admitted that the touch judge put his flag up when he shouldn't have. This interfered with the play. The referee should have simply stopped the match at that point, due to the error... because it put the defenders off. The officials can't interfere like this in the play. They have, and they have a duty to stop the play. I'm still stunned by the fact that the bunker didn't simply say that. And I'm stunned they didn't listen to the audio to see a whistle was blown.
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Also on that forward pass, the touchie didn't call ****, somehow the refs, not in-line with it at all, make the call... Why are the touchies even **** out there?!?!?!
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It's worse than that. According to the Grandstand commentary team the rule is that a decision can't be sent to the bunker once a touch judges flag has been raised. The onfield ref sent it up anyway, and did so calling no try.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 8:45 pm Ok. On that dodgy Sharks try from the video ref. Forget whether he knocked on or if ref blew whistle or the bunker overturning onfield call. The touch judge puts the flag up when the ball is near the sideline. Players in field assume the play is dead and stop, which is exactly what Williams did. How can the officials not call a stop to play?
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Also how often to the refs have to get basic **** game rules wrong before a team is penalised with the points taken off them or awarded points for being robbed? Like the Sharks deserve to be the top 4 off that **** 40 minute performance...
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My wife, who normally just tells me to stop swearing at the tv, was fully on board with the patheticness of the refs tonight. While I hated the tv commentators who neglected the 5-1 penalty count in the first half, as well as the dodgy Dunamis play-the-ball call, the two forward passes in the first sharks try, and the alleged Bateman knock-on, they were pretty fair by the end of the game. Actually scratch that, they weren't. At least Anasta had some courage by the end of it.RedRaider wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 10:32 pm
Lui_Bon, I think all humans make mistakes and there were some decisions which were questionable against the Raiders in this game. There would normally be some evening out of these decisions but that did not really happen tonight. But I agree with our Captain - the first half performance of the Raiders cost us the match. Hodgo said:
"I was on the inside and you saw the touchie put the flag up and then half put it down. As soon as you see a flag you stop your feet. If you watch the video back the ref [keeps going to blow the whistle]," Hodgson said.
"We were all just waiting for the whistle. We all just stopped and he ran through and scored. He called no try, you've got to give proof it's definitely not a try.
"Once it goes to the Bunker, the only feedback you get is there's nothing we can do now. Constantly all night I was asking questions, I rather got not much or that was what I thought. The feedback was very short.
"Don't get me wrong, I don't want everyone to start thinking this cost us the game and we're having a whinge about the refs. Our first half cost us the game, we're not kidding ourselves with that.
"But there were certainly a few factors that added to that. We're holding ourselves accountable. We're not blaming everything on someone else."
This is just so refreshing in its honesty to me. He speaks with conviction. He points out where we need to improve. We rarely heard anything like that before. I hope his knee is not too bad as he limped off following the game and had hurt his right knee midway through the first half.
As did Stuart and Hodgson. They said what they had to say without whining, which frankly was a pretty hard ask. There'll be no fine there, and I'm kinda proud of them.
I just think that the first half performance was crucified by the refs. They could have called forward passes and didn't. They could have called more than one rubbish play the ball and didn't. They could have not sinbinned Rapana, who had well and truly rolled away when the idjit at dummy half dropped the ball. (Ok , he should have already been called, but he was no longer a factor when Graham [I think?] knocked on). The refs went with the vibe there. Then later they went by the rulebook and we got reamed every single time. I don't think we were that bad in the first half, we just got the usual rub of the perceptual green. And nothing is ever going to get us back from that until we a) have a better team, b) are coached better, and c) tell the NRL just what they can do with themselves. Unfortunately the Presser tonight was a lost opportunity.
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I was looking outside of that aspect because that was simply a shocker from the bunker....which to be honest, we've come to expect.Billy Walker wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 10:41 pm100% agree with you. But let's pretend for a moment that we were okay with everything up until that point, the fact it went up as "no try" means they need to be certain there was no knock on. Even if you argue you can't be sure there was it doesn't matter - they needed to be certain there wasn't to award that a try. It is just a howler of a call on many levelsgreeneyed wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 10:36 pm The bottom line is the NRL has already admitted that the touch judge put his flag up when he shouldn't have. This interfered with the play. The referee should have simply stopped the match at that point, due to the error... because it put the defenders off. The officials can't interfere like this in the play. They have, and they have a duty to stop the play. I'm still stunned by the fact that the bunker didn't simply say that. And I'm stunned they didn't listen to the audio to see a whistle was blown.
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I thought our small bench worked ok, which is a good sign for next year. Havilli in particular but Bateman as well.
Knight looked mediocre in his limited time. I'd think he will not survive Tapine returning.
Jnr had a few good hit ups but he is really dialling it in this season. 6 hitups in 40 minutes is terrible.
Knight looked mediocre in his limited time. I'd think he will not survive Tapine returning.
Jnr had a few good hit ups but he is really dialling it in this season. 6 hitups in 40 minutes is terrible.
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Seeing the players after the game getting on the bus tonight, they were livid. Got some honest answers when off camera.
Ricky was surprisingly ok.
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Give us a hint as to what was said?Brew wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 10:57 pm Seeing the players after the game getting on the bus tonight, they were livid. Got some honest answers when off camera.
Ricky was surprisingly ok.
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it was liam knight not murchieBilly Walker wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 9:07 pmRead in the Telly today that Murchie was one of those grubs a couple of years back
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He has a top rate captain making sure his team get every call?Chicka Chicka Chicka wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 8:27 pm Is there any reason why Fifita gets to play the ball on a 45 degree angle each time and not get penalised? Discuss.
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Yes please, I mean, hypothetically of course, say if two blokes named Jorsh and Jardarn were to talk to you on camera. What would they have said?Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 11:16 pmGive us a hint as to what was said?Brew wrote: ↑July 20, 2018, 10:57 pm Seeing the players after the game getting on the bus tonight, they were livid. Got some honest answers when off camera.
Ricky was surprisingly ok.
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Yep, I won't be missing him, we are getting much better from our smaller less profile (and hopefully cheaper) blokes like Lui and Havili Imo.
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So I wake up in Bellevue this morning to see the Raiders had been dudded. Why aren't I surprised?
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
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Fans turning away after 'rot' started in opening round: Stuart: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/ ... 4zsrk.html
Million dollar NRL bunker 'waste of time': Raiders coach Ricky Stuart: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/ ... 4zsqh.html
Million dollar NRL bunker 'waste of time': Raiders coach Ricky Stuart: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/ ... 4zsqh.html
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Didn’t see the game, just catching up now.
Don’t jump on me, this is a genuine question... can we complain about the refs when we let them lead 22-6 at HT??
Don’t jump on me, this is a genuine question... can we complain about the refs when we let them lead 22-6 at HT??
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What happened to the Raiders regarding the refs in the Sharks game was horrible but the Raiders seem to always be in the same position every season struggling to just make the top 8.
Yes the refs killed our season but gee how many games did they blow this year like in years past.
The team has talent to be a top 4 side the team really is crying out for a coach to take them to that top 4. Sadly I think Stuart has had 5 years and should go but we are stuck with him til 2020.
Yes the refs killed our season but gee how many games did they blow this year like in years past.
The team has talent to be a top 4 side the team really is crying out for a coach to take them to that top 4. Sadly I think Stuart has had 5 years and should go but we are stuck with him til 2020.
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I like Hodgson as Captain tonight and dealing with the media. Showed passion and restraint when talking to the media.
He also showed good leadership on the field. I saw a little bit of a lovers tiff on field between him and Austin. I think once Austin goes it will be good for the team. He is very selfish
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Good morning everyone...
How's morale ?
How's morale ?
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