FWIW - i also have never had an issue with gerg before or since. I stand by my claim that his victim shame was absolute disgusting and rightly called him out on it. I challenged his disgusting posting by framing the issue in a way that challenged him.
Moderators reviewed the posts at the time, universally cleared the posts. One saying it was a fair and valid point.
Greg complained to GE, as is his right. GE acquiesced to the frivolous complaint, which did not cross forum guidelines, the spare the feelings of a poster. As for making it personal, that's the entire point, if we men dont make this kind of attitude and behaviour personal, if we dont think about it in those terms, the situation will not improve. The attitudes continue. They MUST be challenged. At every turn.
It is incumbent on us as men to think about these matters on a personal level because that's the only way that drives us to change our behaviour. It's easy to ignore the stats by saying "well, that sucks but its not by problem", it's entirely different to ignore it and continue promoting victim shaming attitudes when it's pointed out, very directly, that guess what? It IS your problem. And will likely be your problem given the statistical probability. It's up to us, as fathers to raise young men who dont hold the views expressed in that thread, it's on us fathers to raise daughters who know their worth, their value and know that if something terrible happens to them, that they can tell their story and know they will be protected, believed and treated seriously, not blamed or have their character questioned by strangers who don't know them at all.
The fact this girl is not a minor doesnt mean she's game to be spoken about by strangers however we please without fear of being challenged.
If you DONT take that personally, if that's not on your mind as a father, and you resent being asked to think about this issue in that way, then your feelings DESERVE to be hurt. It was not a deliberate attempt to get under Greg's skin, it was a deliberate attempt to get a man with outdated attitudes to think about how he might feel if some one on the internet spoke of his girls the way he was speaking of this girl, who also has a father, a father who probably would be furious at the idea of some stranger accusing his daughter of essentially signing up for what is alleged to have happened to her. The idea of something happening to my little girl and having a pack of ***** on an internet forum questioning her is infuriating to me. Everything i do in this realm of life is in context of promoting attitudes and treating accusers in the same way i'd like my daughter treated.
That's the only way we fathers should do it.
Now to the core issue, the issue that had me leave the forum...
This level of moderation to spare the feelings of some has routinely happened for many years now and i've had this argument many times privately with the moderators. As i've outlined in this thread, my protest had little to do with this SPECIFIC case and more to do with the pattern of moderation, of which this was a prime example, which was and is completely contradictory to the foundations and values this place was start on.
Greg had a right to complain, everyone has that right. I still have no issues with him. He's got the right to feel what ever way he wants to about this. And the moderation team has the right to tell him to harden the **** up and tell him if he's not mature enough to deal with the blow back, perhaps slut shaming and victim blaming strangers on the internet is not the place for you to engage.
As for my periodically return... you can thank my wife for that, she was sick of me ranting about our idiot coach to her and begged me to go back to posting so she didnt have to listen to it any longer.
Also perfect that the issue here completely flies over the head of Dubby. You couldnt script it better.
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