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Dogs got themselves into this by offering too much for a winger/center. The reported $600K is at least $200k too much imo.
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RedRaider wrote: December 1, 2021, 6:57 pm Dogs got themselves into this by offering too much for a winger/center. The reported $600K is at least $200k too much imo.
And now the Tigers look like they’re going to repeat the error.
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This off seasons been depressing. To see our roster and cap in this shape. We are back to the basement of the ladder for the foreseeable future. Terrible calls on Croker and whitehead. Extensions that big on underperforming players will cripple the roster for the next 3 years.
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greeneyed wrote: December 1, 2021, 7:10 pm
RedRaider wrote: December 1, 2021, 6:57 pm Dogs got themselves into this by offering too much for a winger/center. The reported $600K is at least $200k too much imo.
And now the Tigers look like they’re going to repeat the error.
If we got/get him for the $$ you were suggesting it would be an interesting discussion in a couple of years when the freight dries up. If he kills it then sweet, here is a $200k upgrade to maintain your current salary. But if he maintains current form then we’d be wanting to seek his agreement to a 1/3 salary decrease just to keep him on what we were actually paying him.
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He’s going to get paid his contract amount regardless of weather it’s here or the Tigers, surely the Dogs can’t control who they release him too regardless how much they have to cover the $$$.

He could simply say he won’t go to the Tigers so the ball would be in the Bulldogs court, if he wants to stay in Sydney it’s a win for the Dogs really.
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Postman Pat wrote: December 1, 2021, 7:35 pm He’s going to get paid his contract amount regardless of weather it’s here or the Tigers, surely the Dogs can’t control who they release him too regardless how much they have to cover the $$$.

He could simply say he won’t go to the Tigers so the ball would be in the Bulldogs court, if he wants to stay in Sydney it’s a win for the Dogs really.
Yes, he could
He has equal if not more control over this situation as the bulldogs, he has his money... the dogs need to get rid of him, if he wants to be in Canberra, that's where he'll be
If not... not.
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greeneyed wrote: December 1, 2021, 7:10 pm
RedRaider wrote: December 1, 2021, 6:57 pm Dogs got themselves into this by offering too much for a winger/center. The reported $600K is at least $200k too much imo.
And now the Tigers look like they’re going to repeat the error.
When the reported figures for the Morris twins was closer to $300k in their final seasons and they played at FG level, then Nic has exceptional expectations if he thinks there is another high level option in NRL once this contract expires.
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Botman wrote: December 1, 2021, 7:37 pm
Postman Pat wrote: December 1, 2021, 7:35 pm He’s going to get paid his contract amount regardless of weather it’s here or the Tigers, surely the Dogs can’t control who they release him too regardless how much they have to cover the $$$.

He could simply say he won’t go to the Tigers so the ball would be in the Bulldogs court, if he wants to stay in Sydney it’s a win for the Dogs really.
Yes, he could
He has equal if not more control over this situation as the bulldogs, he has his money... the dogs need to get rid of him, if he wants to be in Canberra, that's where he'll be
If not... not.
It would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall and see how some of these negotiations actually play out in reality. If doggies need him gone (or we needed Hodgo elsewhere) I’d imagine there are quite a few levers that can be pulled around uncomfortable conversations and increased workloads that make a player feel less than welcome and open to considering options. Thing is you are dealing with young men of varying resilience levels and it’s a fine line between persuasion and workplace bullying. You also can never lose sight of the fact that if a move doesn’t occur all of a sudden you need to tactfully pivot position to make a player you were squeezing out feel loved and cared for so that they can perform at their very best. I imagine it would be an extremely delicate dance especially if you’re dealing with a player who is popular and respected by the broader playing group.
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Billy Walker wrote: December 1, 2021, 10:53 pm
Botman wrote: December 1, 2021, 7:37 pm
Postman Pat wrote: December 1, 2021, 7:35 pm He’s going to get paid his contract amount regardless of weather it’s here or the Tigers, surely the Dogs can’t control who they release him too regardless how much they have to cover the $$$.

He could simply say he won’t go to the Tigers so the ball would be in the Bulldogs court, if he wants to stay in Sydney it’s a win for the Dogs really.
Yes, he could
He has equal if not more control over this situation as the bulldogs, he has his money... the dogs need to get rid of him, if he wants to be in Canberra, that's where he'll be
If not... not.
It would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall and see how some of these negotiations actually play out in reality. If doggies need him gone (or we needed Hodgo elsewhere) I’d imagine there are quite a few levers that can be pulled around uncomfortable conversations and increased workloads that make a player feel less than welcome and open to considering options. Thing is you are dealing with young men of varying resilience levels and it’s a fine line between persuasion and workplace bullying. You also can never lose sight of the fact that if a move doesn’t occur all of a sudden you need to tactfully pivot position to make a player you were squeezing out feel loved and cared for so that they can perform at their very best. I imagine it would be an extremely delicate dance especially if you’re dealing with a player who is popular and respected by the broader playing group.
Playing games like that is a sure way to destroy culture amongst your playing group. It's not about bullying people out. You make them believe it's in their interests to move on. These games get played in every we'll run organisation.
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FROG wrote: December 2, 2021, 5:36 am
Billy Walker wrote: December 1, 2021, 10:53 pm
Botman wrote: December 1, 2021, 7:37 pm
Postman Pat wrote: December 1, 2021, 7:35 pm He’s going to get paid his contract amount regardless of weather it’s here or the Tigers, surely the Dogs can’t control who they release him too regardless how much they have to cover the $$$.

He could simply say he won’t go to the Tigers so the ball would be in the Bulldogs court, if he wants to stay in Sydney it’s a win for the Dogs really.
Yes, he could
He has equal if not more control over this situation as the bulldogs, he has his money... the dogs need to get rid of him, if he wants to be in Canberra, that's where he'll be
If not... not.
It would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall and see how some of these negotiations actually play out in reality. If doggies need him gone (or we needed Hodgo elsewhere) I’d imagine there are quite a few levers that can be pulled around uncomfortable conversations and increased workloads that make a player feel less than welcome and open to considering options. Thing is you are dealing with young men of varying resilience levels and it’s a fine line between persuasion and workplace bullying. You also can never lose sight of the fact that if a move doesn’t occur all of a sudden you need to tactfully pivot position to make a player you were squeezing out feel loved and cared for so that they can perform at their very best. I imagine it would be an extremely delicate dance especially if you’re dealing with a player who is popular and respected by the broader playing group.
Playing games like that is a sure way to destroy culture amongst your playing group. It's not about bullying people out. You make them believe it's in their interests to move on. These games get played in every we'll run organisation.
I imagine Phil Gould would be quite persuasive and I agree it’s a fine line that hurts culture if you get it wrong. Also agree with Bot that Nick (or any contracted player) holds strong cards in the situation. I think back to Scott who we kept in limbo for a long time last year away from the group unable to play or train, very little in the media about him. I suspect a lot of that may have been about encouraging him to jump rather than be pushed. It would be very interesting stuff to observe from the inside.
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Wests Tigers confirm they're in negotiations with Nick Cotric

The Wests Tigers have jumped ahead of Canberra in the race to sign Canterbury’s Nick Cotric.

“(The Tigers are a) big chance, because they’re the only club willing to pay his salary that he was getting at the Bulldogs,” David Riccio said. “The Raiders won’t reach that $650,000 mark, but the Tigers are willing to go there with some additions payments being paid by the Bulldogs. It’ll be at centre, not on the wing, it’d be in the centres with the Wests Tigers.”

Read more: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/12/01/ ... m-belmore/

Wests Tigers could blow Raiders out of the water for Bulldog Nick Cotric: https://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/ ... bshc4sh2oa
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So it is up to the Bulldogs?
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Oh well it was a nice thought while it lasted
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Thank god!
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sprintman wrote: December 2, 2021, 5:25 pm Thank god!
Yeah it would be terrible to upgrade our squad
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He would be an upgrade to most squads, including ours but the question is value for cap percentage. I'm happy with the apparent attitude of the Raiders, they didn't plan for his possible return but are happy for him to do so at their price. If Tigers value him at $650k or thereabouts, good luck to them and no skin off Raiders. In the modern scene good average wingers are 2 bob a dozen and we have plenty in the works. Few wingers are worth big dollars, and those that are usually have a short shelf life.
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Looks like unless Croker retires and or simo goes to parra regardless we are done which imo **** sucks
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Cranky Old Man wrote: December 2, 2021, 5:45 pm He would be an upgrade to most squads, including ours but the question is value for cap percentage. I'm happy with the apparent attitude of the Raiders, they didn't plan for his possible return but are happy for him to do so at their price. If Tigers value him at $650k or thereabouts, good luck to them and no skin off Raiders. In the modern scene good average wingers are 2 bob a dozen and we have plenty in the works. Few wingers are worth big dollars, and those that are usually have a short shelf life.
Yeah, it really does seem to be about managing the cap. I can't imagine we don't have the dollars after releasing Scott and potentially letting Simonsson go.

It is ultimately about how much the club values a decent winger. Not sure how much the dogs would be happy to chip in, but it's clear that the Tigers are willing to pay close to the $650k, which is clearly well over what Cotric is worth.
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Raiders666 wrote: December 2, 2021, 5:12 pm So it is up to the Bulldogs?
No - its up to Nick Cotric.

If Cotric wants the Raiders over the Tigers bad enough he just stands his ground and tells the Bulldogs they have 1 of 2 choices.

Bulldogs either stump up the cash for the Raiders transfer or he stays and the Bulldogs have to find some other player to cut from their list and his bad contract remains their problem. Either way Bulldogs will cave if they need him gone enough

Cotric holds all the Aces in this deck
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Cotric has 2 years remaining on a contract he left the Raiders for. He wanted the dollars and got them. No problem for him until 2024 contract negotiations come around. I doubt the amount will be anywhere near his current contract. Even with an additional side in the NRL which I think will inflate the price of some average players.
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So the Tigers are willing to pay $650,000 or thereabouts for a winger in Cotric but won't pay more than $500,000 for Hodgson?

I look forward to the Tigers coming 16th next year. Losers.
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I think they’d be expecting the Bulldogs to pay $150,000. But that means $500,000 for a winger, they are planning to play at centre…
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greeneyed wrote: December 2, 2021, 5:08 pm Wests Tigers confirm they're in negotiations with Nick Cotric

The Wests Tigers have jumped ahead of Canberra in the race to sign Canterbury’s Nick Cotric.

“(The Tigers are a) big chance, because they’re the only club willing to pay his salary that he was getting at the Bulldogs,” David Riccio said. “The Raiders won’t reach that $650,000 mark, but the Tigers are willing to go there with some additions payments being paid by the Bulldogs. It’ll be at centre, not on the wing, it’d be in the centres with the Wests Tigers.”

Read more: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/12/01/ ... m-belmore/

Wests Tigers could blow Raiders out of the water for Bulldog Nick Cotric: https://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/ ... bshc4sh2oa
How dumb are the media? Its got nothing to do with what money the Tigers have.
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Raiders666 wrote: December 2, 2021, 5:36 pm
sprintman wrote: December 2, 2021, 5:25 pm Thank god!
Yeah it would be terrible to upgrade our squad
Not at his price it wouldn’t be….
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Hong Kong Raider wrote: December 2, 2021, 7:22 pm So the Tigers are willing to pay $650,000 or thereabouts for a winger in Cotric but won't pay more than $500,000 for Hodgson?

I look forward to the Tigers coming 16th next year. Losers.
So true. The Cotric centre experiment has failed for years. Hodgson would bring them the thing they lack the most which is player leadership. Watching tiger town (cringe) authoritative player voice was the biggest gap for mine. Literally a rudderless ship, mixed in with an embarrassing tirade of f-bomb embarrassment from an overhyped coach that has zero respect.
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Old School Green wrote: December 3, 2021, 7:36 am
Hong Kong Raider wrote: December 2, 2021, 7:22 pm So the Tigers are willing to pay $650,000 or thereabouts for a winger in Cotric but won't pay more than $500,000 for Hodgson?

I look forward to the Tigers coming 16th next year. Losers.
So true. The Cotric centre experiment has failed for years. Hodgson would bring them the thing they lack the most which is player leadership. Watching tiger town (cringe) authoritative player voice was the biggest gap for mine. Literally a rudderless ship, mixed in with an embarrassing tirade of f-bomb embarrassment from an overhyped coach that has zero respect.
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greeneyed wrote: December 2, 2021, 7:33 pm I think they’d be expecting the Bulldogs to pay $150,000. But that means $500,000 for a winger, they are planning to play at centre…
To be fair that's less than we were paying Scott once we picked up the full tab. And Cotric's done an awful lot more in the game and good seasons than Scott...
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BadnMean wrote:
greeneyed wrote: December 2, 2021, 7:33 pm I think they’d be expecting the Bulldogs to pay $150,000. But that means $500,000 for a winger, they are planning to play at centre…
To be fair that's less than we were paying Scott once we picked up the full tab. And Cotric's done an awful lot more in the game and good seasons than Scott...
500k for a top tier winger or centre is fine.
Top wingers are very effective players, look at the likes of To'o and Sivo, Cotric was there for us with tough carries and excellent finishing

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Cotric made a dumb career development decision to go to the Bulldogs, he can double that dumb decision and go to the Tigers if he wants.

You’d think he was 33 and at the end of his career, not 23 and at the start.
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BJ123 wrote: December 3, 2021, 8:39 am Cotric made a dumb career development decision to go to the Bulldogs, he can double that dumb decision and go to the Tigers if he wants.

You’d think he was 33 and at the end of his career, not 23 and at the start.
I hope I’m wrong but I think he is 23 and closer to the end than the start. I feel like he burst onto the scene but the game has been getting harder for him ever since.
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The temptations of short term gains, in addition to poor management is often to blame for these situations.

In saying that, we are all often reminded that playing careers are short, so earning $650k to play centre vs $500k to play wing is a very hard choice for anyone to knock back.

The risk for Nick is the the chance of fading into obscurity playing out of position in bad teams.

Pros and cons either way. It sucks seeing him struggle, but I'll admit it's a hell of a lot easier seeing him struggle playing in another team!

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The thing is, he’s not a centre. That’s been now shown at two clubs. Sometimes it’s better for your long term career to accept a bit less and play where you’re happy and successful. Pays off in the long term.
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Billy Walker wrote:
BJ123 wrote: December 3, 2021, 8:39 am Cotric made a dumb career development decision to go to the Bulldogs, he can double that dumb decision and go to the Tigers if he wants.

You’d think he was 33 and at the end of his career, not 23 and at the start.
I hope I’m wrong but I think he is 23 and closer to the end than the start. I feel like he burst onto the scene but the game has been getting harder for him ever since.
It’s interesting, but a very league knowledgeable mate of mine reckoned Cotric was like Justin Carney.

Super powerful when young, but without the football nous to play the game when the opposition works out the way you play and unable to add other strings to your bow when NRL body and mental fatigue hits you. It’s a tough game at this level.

I hoped he was wrong, but he has picked Cotric’s career trajectory to a tee so far.
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Yeah to be honest I'm not that fussed if we don't get him back.
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We forget the influence of player managers on a players career movements. They are similar to real estate agents and stockbrokers, they make money from movement, not career development. Nick was sold on the Sydney lifestyle, etc etc and to experience that, the best offer at the time was the Dogs, good money at a crap club. The agent didnt care about career development, he saw a quick and easy commission, Nick could do any worrying needed. Now he faces a dilemna, Canberra where he is more likely to be happy and possibly get back on his career trajectory or the big bucks at Tigers who have a couple of good wingers but little else in the outside backs. What to do? Well you know where his agent is going to be pushing him!
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