2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
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2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Now it is season over for the Canberra Raiders, we will be reviewing the year of all 31 players who pulled on a green jersey in first grade in 2021. So far, we have looked at the season of Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, Xavier Savage, Caleb Aekins, Jordan Rapana, Bailey Simonsson, Semi Valemei, Harley Smith-Shields, Sebastian Kris, Jarrod Croker, Curtis Scott, Matt Timoko, Jack Wighton, Sam Williams, George Williams, Matt Frawley, Josh Papalii, Joseph Tapine, Emre Guler, Sia Soliola, Ryan James, Dunamis Lui, Josh Hodgson, Tom Starling, Elliott Whitehead, Hudson Young and Corey Harawira-Naera.
Ryan Sutton joined the Canberra Raiders from the Wigan Warriors on a two year deal in 2019, but he was quickly extended to the end of 2022. He had a strong debut season in the NRL, playing 20 games, but he ended up missing out the 2019 finals campaign, with Emre Guler preferred in the top 17. That experience had a lasting impression on him, and drove him throughout 2020. He ended up winning the Coaches Award on Meninga Medal night. Sadly, he suffered an MCL injury in the final round of the regular season - meaning he again missed Canberra's finals campaign.
After the Raiders' poor 2021 season, Sutton's still waiting to play in an NRL finals match. But personally, he had his best season since arriving in Australia. He only missed two matches due to minor injuries - the Round 10 match against the Bulldogs (elbow) and the Round 20 loss to the Knights (chest). He started at lock in 13 matches and at prop in two. He came off the bench in his seven other games.
I rated Sutton 6.6/10 on average through the season, with his highest score being a rare "9". That came in the unfortunate Round 3 loss to the Warriors, when he played 73 minutes, scored a try, ran for 200 metres and made 51 tackles. In Fans' Choice voting, he was voted "man of the match" twice - in that match against the Warriors and the Round 6 loss to the Eels. He ranked fourth in the final Fans' Choice Player of the Year tally and third in the Meninga Medal count, behind Jordan Rapana and Josh Papalii.
Most of Sutton's statistics this year improved on 2020. He got a couple of tries, after failing to cross in 2020. His average running metres rose to 105 per game (79 in 2019 and 100 in 2020). Only Josh Papalii and Joe Tapine averaged more running metres per match amongst the Raiders forwards. His total runs were second only to Jordan Rapana at the club. Sutton is not the sort of player who makes a lot of tackle breaks, line breaks or offloads. He's no nonsense and he works hard. He ranked fifth for average tackles per match in the Raiders' pack and maintained his workload in defence. His tackle efficiency rate (90 per cent) was around the same as 2020, though his average missed tackle count rose slightly. He ranked sixth for missed tackles per game amongst the Raiders forwards - and fifth for try causes (six, compared with only one in 2020). His error count was relatively low, and he remained disciplined in terms of penalties conceded.
Sutton, 26, is coming into his prime as a middle forward. In the era of Vlandysball, locks are again expected to have some ball playing ability - so I'm not sure he's the best choice for No. 13 in 2022. But he'll be in the Raiders' top three props next season, no doubt. Sutton's contract with the Raiders expires at the end of next season - and with a 17th team entering the competition in 2023, he'll be in high demand from other clubs. Hopefully, the Raiders can lock him into a new long term deal.
How did you rate Ryan Sutton's 2021? Tell us below.
Ryan Sutton's 2021: 7.5/10
2021 Statistics: (Stats from Fox Sports Lab)
Games: 22
Average minutes: 50
Points: 8
Tries: 2
Try assists: 1
Try contributions: 0
Total try involvements: 3
Total kicks: 0
Kick metres: 0
Total runs: 284
All run metres: 2309
Average metres per carry: 8
Average metres per game: 105
Tackle breaks: 18
Offloads: 7
Line breaks: 2
Line break assists: 1
Tackles: 617
Average tackles per game: 28
1 on 1 tackles: 30
Missed tackles: 47
Average missed tackles per game: 2.1
Ineffective tackles: 19
Tackle efficiency: 90 per cent
Try causes: 6
Line break causes: 11
Errors: 5
Penalties conceded: 4
Now it is season over for the Canberra Raiders, we will be reviewing the year of all 31 players who pulled on a green jersey in first grade in 2021. So far, we have looked at the season of Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, Xavier Savage, Caleb Aekins, Jordan Rapana, Bailey Simonsson, Semi Valemei, Harley Smith-Shields, Sebastian Kris, Jarrod Croker, Curtis Scott, Matt Timoko, Jack Wighton, Sam Williams, George Williams, Matt Frawley, Josh Papalii, Joseph Tapine, Emre Guler, Sia Soliola, Ryan James, Dunamis Lui, Josh Hodgson, Tom Starling, Elliott Whitehead, Hudson Young and Corey Harawira-Naera.
Ryan Sutton joined the Canberra Raiders from the Wigan Warriors on a two year deal in 2019, but he was quickly extended to the end of 2022. He had a strong debut season in the NRL, playing 20 games, but he ended up missing out the 2019 finals campaign, with Emre Guler preferred in the top 17. That experience had a lasting impression on him, and drove him throughout 2020. He ended up winning the Coaches Award on Meninga Medal night. Sadly, he suffered an MCL injury in the final round of the regular season - meaning he again missed Canberra's finals campaign.
After the Raiders' poor 2021 season, Sutton's still waiting to play in an NRL finals match. But personally, he had his best season since arriving in Australia. He only missed two matches due to minor injuries - the Round 10 match against the Bulldogs (elbow) and the Round 20 loss to the Knights (chest). He started at lock in 13 matches and at prop in two. He came off the bench in his seven other games.
I rated Sutton 6.6/10 on average through the season, with his highest score being a rare "9". That came in the unfortunate Round 3 loss to the Warriors, when he played 73 minutes, scored a try, ran for 200 metres and made 51 tackles. In Fans' Choice voting, he was voted "man of the match" twice - in that match against the Warriors and the Round 6 loss to the Eels. He ranked fourth in the final Fans' Choice Player of the Year tally and third in the Meninga Medal count, behind Jordan Rapana and Josh Papalii.
Most of Sutton's statistics this year improved on 2020. He got a couple of tries, after failing to cross in 2020. His average running metres rose to 105 per game (79 in 2019 and 100 in 2020). Only Josh Papalii and Joe Tapine averaged more running metres per match amongst the Raiders forwards. His total runs were second only to Jordan Rapana at the club. Sutton is not the sort of player who makes a lot of tackle breaks, line breaks or offloads. He's no nonsense and he works hard. He ranked fifth for average tackles per match in the Raiders' pack and maintained his workload in defence. His tackle efficiency rate (90 per cent) was around the same as 2020, though his average missed tackle count rose slightly. He ranked sixth for missed tackles per game amongst the Raiders forwards - and fifth for try causes (six, compared with only one in 2020). His error count was relatively low, and he remained disciplined in terms of penalties conceded.
Sutton, 26, is coming into his prime as a middle forward. In the era of Vlandysball, locks are again expected to have some ball playing ability - so I'm not sure he's the best choice for No. 13 in 2022. But he'll be in the Raiders' top three props next season, no doubt. Sutton's contract with the Raiders expires at the end of next season - and with a 17th team entering the competition in 2023, he'll be in high demand from other clubs. Hopefully, the Raiders can lock him into a new long term deal.
How did you rate Ryan Sutton's 2021? Tell us below.
Ryan Sutton's 2021: 7.5/10
2021 Statistics: (Stats from Fox Sports Lab)
Games: 22
Average minutes: 50
Points: 8
Tries: 2
Try assists: 1
Try contributions: 0
Total try involvements: 3
Total kicks: 0
Kick metres: 0
Total runs: 284
All run metres: 2309
Average metres per carry: 8
Average metres per game: 105
Tackle breaks: 18
Offloads: 7
Line breaks: 2
Line break assists: 1
Tackles: 617
Average tackles per game: 28
1 on 1 tackles: 30
Missed tackles: 47
Average missed tackles per game: 2.1
Ineffective tackles: 19
Tackle efficiency: 90 per cent
Try causes: 6
Line break causes: 11
Errors: 5
Penalties conceded: 4
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
284 runs for an average of 8m, 2 line breaks and 1 line break assist. I just don't think this is the modern lock. Throw in 6 try causes and 11 line break causes and I don't think it's great reading.
Errors and penalties conceded were much improved.
5/10.
Errors and penalties conceded were much improved.
5/10.
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Our best and most consistent forward all year imo
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Very harsh I reckon....He had a dig all year unlike the rest of the pack. Do agree he isn't suited to the modern day 13 howeverRoger Kenworthy wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 10:34 am 284 runs for an average of 8m, 2 line breaks and 1 line break assist. I just don't think this is the modern lock. Throw in 6 try causes and 11 line break causes and I don't think it's great reading.
Errors and penalties conceded were much improved.
5/10.
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
He's a solid 3rd/4th prop option.
And no sort of lock at all.
And no sort of lock at all.
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
He'll move to 8, 10 or bench prop IMO with Tapine likely 13.
He had a good year. He keeps improving and has good effort. I like him.
He had a good year. He keeps improving and has good effort. I like him.
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
He had a good year in a team that played horribly. I don’t see him making the 17 of any of the top 4 teams this year and to be honest if we want future success we need to establish a squad where an honest toiler like Sutton isn’t good enough to make it. Signing him long term at best keeps you at your current mediocre level. Harsh but true.
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Mark Nicholls and Scott Sorensen just played a GF. Absolute honest toilers the both of them. You absolutely NEED some good value honest toilers in a team these days- it allows cap to go to the big guns without the whole thing going to crap.Billy Walker wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 12:54 pm He had a good year in a team that played horribly. I don’t see him making the 17 of any of the top 4 teams this year and to be honest if we want future success we need to establish a squad where an honest toiler like Sutton isn’t good enough to make it. Signing him long term at best keeps you at your current mediocre level. Harsh but true.
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I think he was our most consistent forward this yr. 7.5 is probably a touch high, I think 7, but I'm ok with this.
I agree with others, lock moving away from being a 3rd prop, they need to add something more than workrate.
I'd really like to see Sutton used to split up Papa and Tapine at prop; as in, he starts with 1 and the other comes off the pine, probably for him. Has the ability to play big mins in the middle too, which is also a bonus in the HIA era.
I agree with others, lock moving away from being a 3rd prop, they need to add something more than workrate.
I'd really like to see Sutton used to split up Papa and Tapine at prop; as in, he starts with 1 and the other comes off the pine, probably for him. Has the ability to play big mins in the middle too, which is also a bonus in the HIA era.
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Solid season from Suttgod.
Only 26, I’m positive we’ll extend that deal.
Only 26, I’m positive we’ll extend that deal.
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
I agree - our problem is we have a lot of toilers and not too many big guns. I worry about locking in toilers long term like GE suggest we should with Sutto. I think you’re better aiming to develop/sign stars and the ones that don’t quite get there end up as your toilers in a premiership team.BadnMean wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 2:21 pmMark Nicholls and Scott Sorensen just played a GF. Absolute honest toilers the both of them. You absolutely NEED some good value honest toilers in a team these days- it allows cap to go to the big guns without the whole thing going to crap.Billy Walker wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 12:54 pm He had a good year in a team that played horribly. I don’t see him making the 17 of any of the top 4 teams this year and to be honest if we want future success we need to establish a squad where an honest toiler like Sutton isn’t good enough to make it. Signing him long term at best keeps you at your current mediocre level. Harsh but true.
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Comparing Sutton to Nicholls and Sorensen is an insult to him. He's comfortably better than them.
Dropped away towards the end of the season a bit, but all round he was excellent and possibly our best player for the first two third of the year. There's still room for players like him and he should be an integral part of the team next season.
Dropped away towards the end of the season a bit, but all round he was excellent and possibly our best player for the first two third of the year. There's still room for players like him and he should be an integral part of the team next season.
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
I disagree. Our forward pack has enough big guns- Papa is arguably the biggest gun in his position at prop, Tapine is a weapon, CHN, a fully functioning Whitehead lead the comp for attacking stats for most the season in 2020.Billy Walker wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 2:35 pmI agree - our problem is we have a lot of toilers and not too many big guns. I worry about locking in toilers long term like GE suggest we should with Sutto. I think you’re better aiming to develop/sign stars and the ones that don’t quite get there end up as your toilers in a premiership team.BadnMean wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 2:21 pmMark Nicholls and Scott Sorensen just played a GF. Absolute honest toilers the both of them. You absolutely NEED some good value honest toilers in a team these days- it allows cap to go to the big guns without the whole thing going to crap.Billy Walker wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 12:54 pm He had a good year in a team that played horribly. I don’t see him making the 17 of any of the top 4 teams this year and to be honest if we want future success we need to establish a squad where an honest toiler like Sutton isn’t good enough to make it. Signing him long term at best keeps you at your current mediocre level. Harsh but true.
We have a enough weapons, I really think we need a better system to deliver them. Our pack didn't aim up in the yards game- we throw the least passes and all the other top 4 teams are prepared to play a wide spread in the 20 to stretch things and steal yards. The defence HAS to spread. The forwards do better...
That's just one example I think our forwards suffered -like all our players- from a poor game plan, outright poor- no passing, kicking early constantly, we had dud fullbacks for bout half the season- all those things add up to trash your pack. Game day threads about our fitness being suddenly improved when Savage was FB- no, he just beat a few tackles and returned the ball 20+ metres a couple of times each half. Made a huge difference from having an honest plodder THERE.
I love me an honest toiler in the pack. Not a big fan of honest toilers at FB or wing myself, I think it's a wasted opportunity which compounds and makes everything else harder.
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Explain to me how Nicholls who played more games, averaged more yards per run, got smashed less (a weakness of Sutton, he get smashed a fair bit, as in makes no yards, runs <8m) and defended by eye and stats far superior to Sutton as in Sutton has 2x the amount of lb causes and try causes and dropped footies (game by game) TWICE as many faults as Nicholls- this season- not Raiders Nicholls, 2021 Nicholls, explain to me how he was not better than Sutton. In intangibles, numbers or whatever else you got.afgtnk wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 4:43 pm Comparing Sutton to Nicholls and Sorensen is an insult to him. He's comfortably better than them.
Dropped away towards the end of the season a bit, but all round he was excellent and possibly our best player for the first two third of the year. There's still room for players like him and he should be an integral part of the team next season.
And I'm not saying Sutton was bad. He was pretty solid. But he's very limited. And Nicholls beat him pillar to post, if you want to compare.
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
I'd definitely trade Sutton for Nicholls. Nicholls runs much harder and puts some pressure on the defensive line with his carries.
I'd take Sutton over Sorensen though.
I'd take Sutton over Sorensen though.
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Far different proposition to be a forward busting your gut standing up in a crap side, constantly trying to swim against the tide, as opposed to one who's swimming with it regularly. Chalk and cheese. That's primarily why Sutton got so many plaudits this season. Also, Rabbitohs had the 2nd most possession in the comp, we had 13th. That has a huge bearing on stats for their position, both in attack and defence, and simultaneously how people perceive they're playing.BadnMean wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 5:12 pmExplain to me how Nicholls who played more games, averaged more yards per run, got smashed less (a weakness of Sutton, he get smashed a fair bit, as in makes no yards, runs <8m) and defended by eye and stats far superior to Sutton as in Sutton has 2x the amount of lb causes and try causes and dropped footies (game by game) TWICE as many faults as Nicholls- this season- not Raiders Nicholls, 2021 Nicholls, explain to me how he was not better than Sutton. In intangibles, numbers or whatever else you got.afgtnk wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 4:43 pm Comparing Sutton to Nicholls and Sorensen is an insult to him. He's comfortably better than them.
Dropped away towards the end of the season a bit, but all round he was excellent and possibly our best player for the first two third of the year. There's still room for players like him and he should be an integral part of the team next season.
And I'm not saying Sutton was bad. He was pretty solid. But he's very limited. And Nicholls beat him pillar to post, if you want to compare.
How would Nicholls have gone in our side this season? No chance it would've been better than Sutton IMO. And, as always, using try causes just make an argument rubbish.
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Sutton was awesome for us this year. Always been a fan, think he's super underrated
He was largely played out of position for today's game this year but did his best.
He's a really good middle forward. Can give you big minutes and big output. Assuming we are moving to a more modern day #13, his motor as middle forward will be very helpful in giving guys like Tapine and Papa the rest they need to be impact middle forwards.
He was largely played out of position for today's game this year but did his best.
He's a really good middle forward. Can give you big minutes and big output. Assuming we are moving to a more modern day #13, his motor as middle forward will be very helpful in giving guys like Tapine and Papa the rest they need to be impact middle forwards.
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Serious question Bot - are these “tweaks” going to get us where we need to be? We weren’t a bounce of the ball away, we ended up a long way off the pace. Even if everyone in the current squad lifts 5%~10% on 2021 I don’t think it gets us there. I think the next level comes when Tapine or Papa become the players that give our new forwards the rest they need. As much as the Raiders success was due to Mal, Badge, Jacko, Coyne and some Walters boys heading south, we also unearthed some exceptional local talent in Clyde, Rick, Laurie, Lazzo and few others. We all have massive hope Savage will give us what we have been missing in the back 3, I think we need to give a few young forwards the opportunity to step up as well. Nothing against Sutto, agree he was strong this year but it feels like we are trying to get blood from a stone with this current players group. When we next make the top 4, how many players from the final game of 2021 do you still see in our new top 4 side? I think if we are honest our success comes off the back of a refresh and turn over of players. That’s not an easy path and I know you don’t get there throwing inexperienced players to the wolves. I also don’t think you get there signing current players to long term deals.Botman wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 7:25 pm Sutton was awesome for us this year. Always been a fan, think he's super underrated
He was largely played out of position for today's game this year but did his best.
He's a really good middle forward. Can give you big minutes and big output. Assuming we are moving to a more modern day #13, his motor as middle forward will be very helpful in giving guys like Tapine and Papa the rest they need to be impact middle forwards.
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Stats are relevant to an argument, in support of other things. Are the linebreak causes also irrelevant? The twice rate of dropped balls? AND the getting smashed less? I mean ok, if that's your position. Fine. I just find it a bit absurd. But that's your thing.afgtnk wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 6:34 pm
Far different proposition to be a forward busting your gut standing up in a crap side, constantly trying to swim against the tide, as opposed to one who's swimming with it regularly. Chalk and cheese. That's primarily why Sutton got so many plaudits this season. Also, Rabbitohs had the 2nd most possession in the comp, we had 13th. That has a huge bearing on stats for their position, both in attack and defence, and simultaneously how people perceive they're playing.
How would Nicholls have gone in our side this season? No chance it would've been better than Sutton IMO. And, as always, using try causes just make an argument rubbish.
Sutto was good. He didn't have the season Nicholls had.
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
I think Sutton was taylor made for 'crash ball' tactics we employed. Once again I'll be interested to see what dimensions Crawley can add to his game. He is a fearless power runner. He seemed one dimensional because that was our tactics. There are times when to tuck the ball under the arm and head straight upfield is exactly the right play. It should not be the only play though. Defensively he has a tendency to take dummies. Just line up the player with the ball and put him on the deck Sutto. I reckon 7/10 in 2021.
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One of the very few players in our squad who was better in 2021 compared to 2020.
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
I've always liked Sutton since he arrived and thought he has been a touch underrated.
Sutton was one of the few Raiders who enhanced their reputation in 2021. I agree with other posters that he was probably our best player for large chunks of the year.
In saying all that, I also think that if he is your top player for large chunks of the season then you are not having a great season. He is not and will never be a superstar player (and that's OK, he can play a valuable role)
Sutton was one of the few Raiders who enhanced their reputation in 2021. I agree with other posters that he was probably our best player for large chunks of the year.
In saying all that, I also think that if he is your top player for large chunks of the season then you are not having a great season. He is not and will never be a superstar player (and that's OK, he can play a valuable role)
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
You're right. He had a better one.BadnMean wrote: ↑October 17, 2021, 8:53 amSutto was good. He didn't have the season Nicholls had.afgtnk wrote: ↑October 16, 2021, 6:34 pm
Far different proposition to be a forward busting your gut standing up in a crap side, constantly trying to swim against the tide, as opposed to one who's swimming with it regularly. Chalk and cheese. That's primarily why Sutton got so many plaudits this season. Also, Rabbitohs had the 2nd most possession in the comp, we had 13th. That has a huge bearing on stats for their position, both in attack and defence, and simultaneously how people perceive they're playing.
How would Nicholls have gone in our side this season? No chance it would've been better than Sutton IMO. And, as always, using try causes just make an argument rubbish.
The way try cause stats are recorded is pure subjective rubbish dude. No self-respecting poster trying to mount an argument should be using it.
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
I thought he was great for us this season and as mentioned, a rare case of someone who improved rather than regressed under Rick in 2021.
However, he’s a low-pedigree guy with little fanfare to his game. He’s actually beaten the odds to even get this far in the NRL, he wasn’t rated as highly as our other pommy recruits I believe?
Absolutely needed in the top 17, yes, but ideally close to the bubble if you want a team good enough to have a chance of winning the whole thing. This year it felt like he was first name on the sheet and carrying our entire pack for half a season... and that was reflected in the W/L column.
I love his game, he’s a bit of a throwback. But I have this nagging feeling 2021 might have been his career year? Here’s hoping he can find another level and pick up a new trick or two to add to his repertoire going forward.
However, he’s a low-pedigree guy with little fanfare to his game. He’s actually beaten the odds to even get this far in the NRL, he wasn’t rated as highly as our other pommy recruits I believe?
Absolutely needed in the top 17, yes, but ideally close to the bubble if you want a team good enough to have a chance of winning the whole thing. This year it felt like he was first name on the sheet and carrying our entire pack for half a season... and that was reflected in the W/L column.
I love his game, he’s a bit of a throwback. But I have this nagging feeling 2021 might have been his career year? Here’s hoping he can find another level and pick up a new trick or two to add to his repertoire going forward.
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Seems to be a view that Sutton fits the toiler/no fuss/not a star but an honest performer that every club needs. That’s great, but those aren’t the players you seek to lock in. You aim for super stars in all positions across the field. Obviously not all prospects will make those heights and of those that don’t you find a toiler or two.
I love our approach of sorting out our toilers, and then seeking to lock them in long term while we search for the stars….
I love our approach of sorting out our toilers, and then seeking to lock them in long term while we search for the stars….
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Yep, says a bit about him in my opinion.Northern Raider wrote:One of the very few players in our squad who was better in 2021 compared to 2020.
The way he has consistently improved since his debut means I can look forward to him taking it up another notch again next season.
Our second or third best middle this season, and at the age where might really start to hit his peak in the next 2-3 years.
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
He's a fearless power runner who never bends or threatens to break the line though. Everything about him says he should be able to, as he hits the line pretty hard and does look to try and drive through it. Something just doesn't come together though as opposition never seem to have any trouble halting him at the line.RedRaider wrote: ↑October 17, 2021, 12:32 pm I think Sutton was taylor made for 'crash ball' tactics we employed. Once again I'll be interested to see what dimensions Crawley can add to his game. He is a fearless power runner. He seemed one dimensional because that was our tactics. There are times when to tuck the ball under the arm and head straight upfield is exactly the right play. It should not be the only play though. Defensively he has a tendency to take dummies. Just line up the player with the ball and put him on the deck Sutto. I reckon 7/10 in 2021.
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
He's just not quite explosive and doesn't have the footwork/balance to just slip the hits enough to come out and still be able to have momentum or a chance to go again.Roger Kenworthy wrote: ↑October 18, 2021, 8:29 pmHe's a fearless power runner who never bends or threatens to break the line though. Everything about him says he should be able to, as he hits the line pretty hard and does look to try and drive through it. Something just doesn't come together though as opposition never seem to have any trouble halting him at the line.RedRaider wrote: ↑October 17, 2021, 12:32 pm I think Sutton was taylor made for 'crash ball' tactics we employed. Once again I'll be interested to see what dimensions Crawley can add to his game. He is a fearless power runner. He seemed one dimensional because that was our tactics. There are times when to tuck the ball under the arm and head straight upfield is exactly the right play. It should not be the only play though. Defensively he has a tendency to take dummies. Just line up the player with the ball and put him on the deck Sutto. I reckon 7/10 in 2021.
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Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
Yup and it's a momentum game these days more so than ever. Being able to hold up a runner at the defensive line and wrestle for a few split seconds makes all the difference in the opposition defence being set to attack the next runner.BadnMean wrote: ↑October 19, 2021, 6:20 amHe's just not quite explosive and doesn't have the footwork/balance to just slip the hits enough to come out and still be able to have momentum or a chance to go again.Roger Kenworthy wrote: ↑October 18, 2021, 8:29 pmHe's a fearless power runner who never bends or threatens to break the line though. Everything about him says he should be able to, as he hits the line pretty hard and does look to try and drive through it. Something just doesn't come together though as opposition never seem to have any trouble halting him at the line.RedRaider wrote: ↑October 17, 2021, 12:32 pm I think Sutton was taylor made for 'crash ball' tactics we employed. Once again I'll be interested to see what dimensions Crawley can add to his game. He is a fearless power runner. He seemed one dimensional because that was our tactics. There are times when to tuck the ball under the arm and head straight upfield is exactly the right play. It should not be the only play though. Defensively he has a tendency to take dummies. Just line up the player with the ball and put him on the deck Sutto. I reckon 7/10 in 2021.
Re: 2021 in review - Ryan Sutton
That being said, I think Sutton is just fine as an NRL prop, your budget worker type. He just doesn't have the ceiling that Papa, Tapine or even Young have, imo.Roger Kenworthy wrote: ↑October 19, 2021, 7:25 amYup and it's a momentum game these days more so than ever. Being able to hold up a runner at the defensive line and wrestle for a few split seconds makes all the difference in the opposition defence being set to attack the next runner.BadnMean wrote: ↑October 19, 2021, 6:20 amHe's just not quite explosive and doesn't have the footwork/balance to just slip the hits enough to come out and still be able to have momentum or a chance to go again.Roger Kenworthy wrote: ↑October 18, 2021, 8:29 pmHe's a fearless power runner who never bends or threatens to break the line though. Everything about him says he should be able to, as he hits the line pretty hard and does look to try and drive through it. Something just doesn't come together though as opposition never seem to have any trouble halting him at the line.RedRaider wrote: ↑October 17, 2021, 12:32 pm I think Sutton was taylor made for 'crash ball' tactics we employed. Once again I'll be interested to see what dimensions Crawley can add to his game. He is a fearless power runner. He seemed one dimensional because that was our tactics. There are times when to tuck the ball under the arm and head straight upfield is exactly the right play. It should not be the only play though. Defensively he has a tendency to take dummies. Just line up the player with the ball and put him on the deck Sutto. I reckon 7/10 in 2021.