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Hodgson showed he’s still an incredibly good player against incredibly poor opposition.

Just like Simo, let’s keep the champagne on ice until he does that to a decent team to show that his game still cuts it in the shifted landscape, not just against another team who failed to adapt.

It doesn’t matter that one is a proven commodity. While the discussion is different “simo has the skills” versus “Hodgo still has the skills”, it’s still using the same biased datapoint. It’s a good sign, but don’t stake your argument off it.
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Kryptonite wrote:
-TW- wrote: June 10, 2021, 10:28 pm Interested to know what he's agitating for?

He's on big money here and he's back starting.. what more does he want

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I can completely understand why the coach tried Starling ahead of Hodgson. The team was playing far better in the second half of last year with Starling and Havili as the hooking duo than what was happening in the first half of this year, with Hodgson at hooker. Hodgson produced a good game this week, but it isn't like his form has been great over the first half of the year. It's been far from good at times.
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-TW- wrote: June 13, 2021, 7:55 pm
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-TW- wrote: June 10, 2021, 10:28 pm Interested to know what he's agitating for?

He's on big money here and he's back starting.. what more does he want

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I think he wants guaranteed employment after footy , my guess coaching

Hodgo isn't silly, he knows his time playing is limited especially after 2 big injuries
As far as i know he doesn't have a crust store or other qualifications/interests ready for when the time comes to hang up the boots
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greeneyed wrote: June 13, 2021, 8:09 pm I can completely understand why the coach tried Starling ahead of Hodgson. The team was playing far better in the second half of last year with Starling and Havili as the hooking duo than what was happening in the first half of this year, with Hodgson at hooker. Hodgson produced a good game this week, but it isn't like his form has been great over the first half of the year. It's been far from good at times.
He's become a bit of a one trick pony, a crash ball specialist... and I do have to start giving him credit for those, because bottom line it does get us points on the board

But this is not the 2016 Hodgson, not yet anyway
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Good riddence

Bronx once again are about to pay overs for a plyer who is past it and not able to change up his style due to the new rules etc.

More $$$$ in the kitty to get some nice pieces for 2022
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Yeah I wouldn't be rushing to count Hodgo's salary as free cap room for 2022....

If we can't find a halfback there is every chance we keep him for a couple of years on a lower rate...

Hodgo loves it at Canberra and the club (as far as I can see) love him too...they see him as a natural leader and potential assistant coach..

The issue has always been around his manager and how he has handled negotiations..

If we figure out a way to win with him in the team for the remainder of the season I would not be surprised if we keep him.
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Canberra Raiders won’t release Josh Hodgson to Brisbane Broncos



The Canberra Raiders have had absolutely no communication with anyone about potentially releasing Josh Hodgson and, what’s more, they have no plans to let him go for 2022.

“The reality is Josh is no trouble for us under the salary cap, we just can’t offer him anything close to what he is on in 2023,” Raiders CEO Don Furner said. “We’re not in a hurry to get rid of Josh at all. There’s been a lot of speculation but no-one has honestly contacted us about Josh, including the Broncos, so certainly not at this stage.

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“We just can’t offer him anything close to what he is on in 2023” - yeah I get that but an odd quote for Donny to be throwing out in 2021. It essentially concedes the club doesn’t expect he will be the same quality he is now in 2023. Not a great vote of confidence in the player. Removes all incentives for him to play for a new contract, and almost accepts a decline in form from him over this season and next. Onya Donny!
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Good chat Donnie. Love your work. No one will ever hold us for ransom ever again. Hull to Canberra was like walking out of hell and into the garden of Eden. Unfortunately after a few years the coast comes calling.
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Haha. Surely this is a stitch up... "We’re not in a hurry to get rid of Josh at all". So we are wanting to get rid of him but all in good time 😜

To me don is effectively saying if you want him next year then don't expect us to pay a cent of his salary, which is fair enough. But it prob could have been said with a tad bit more class..

Verbal expression is clearly not one of the Furners strong point
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Don’s not saying anything that we don’t already know.
If Hodgson wants to stay a Raider past his current deal, it’s on a reduced rate.
If a rival club wants him earlier, they are taking on his entire cap hit.
Completely agree with the approach.
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I am a big Hodgo fan but not sure it is that controversial for Don to say that we don’t have 800k/1.6m/2.4m in the cap for a 33 /34/35 year old hooker with 2 ACLs under his belt.

I think that quote actually suggests that the so called feud between Josh and the club is more just down to dollars and sense and the reality that he won’t be able to secure a long term extension on elite tier money at the club.

At a guess I would say that the club would probably be happy to give him an extra year or two on good (but not elite tier) money but Hodgo considers himself deserving of more.
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Billy Walker wrote: June 19, 2021, 12:22 am “We just can’t offer him anything close to what he is on in 2023” - yeah I get that but an odd quote for Donny to be throwing out in 2021. It essentially concedes the club doesn’t expect he will be the same quality he is now in 2023. Not a great vote of confidence in the player. Removes all incentives for him to play for a new contract, and almost accepts a decline in form from him over this season and next. Onya Donny!
Not really odd at all. In general, contract values for NRL players (in fact, most team sports athletes) are smaller at the beginning of the career- potential but no achievement and unknown limitations, adjustments to make etc. Then larger in the middle, especially if they are top end players. Then contracts begin to shrink again if signed after 30 in football codes (maybe push a couple of years later in soccer)... diminishing returns, increased injury, long term planning etc.

Look at Benji- had big dollars in the middle, slowly rode the list down until he's playing for a couple of hundred k at most, because he still wants to play.

Hodgo is 31 now... 2 knee reco's... You think the Raiders should promise $700k to 33 year old Hodgo? Look at the dollars Foran and Johnson are actually getting now- about half their prime years dollars.

Hodgson's injury/matches per season record over the last 4-5 years isn't any better than theirs in the cold light of day.
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BadnMean wrote: June 19, 2021, 7:56 am
Billy Walker wrote: June 19, 2021, 12:22 am “We just can’t offer him anything close to what he is on in 2023” - yeah I get that but an odd quote for Donny to be throwing out in 2021. It essentially concedes the club doesn’t expect he will be the same quality he is now in 2023. Not a great vote of confidence in the player. Removes all incentives for him to play for a new contract, and almost accepts a decline in form from him over this season and next. Onya Donny!
Not really odd at all. In general, contract values for NRL players (in fact, most team sports athletes) are smaller at the beginning of the career- potential but no achievement and unknown limitations, adjustments to make etc. Then larger in the middle, especially if they are top end players. Then contracts begin to shrink again if signed after 30 in football codes (maybe push a couple of years later in soccer)... diminishing returns, increased injury, long term planning etc.

Look at Benji- had big dollars in the middle, slowly rode the list down until he's playing for a couple of hundred k at most, because he still wants to play.

Hodgo is 31 now... 2 knee reco's... You think the Raiders should promise $700k to 33 year old Hodgo? Look at the dollars Foran and Johnson are actually getting now- about half their prime years dollars.

Hodgson's injury/matches per season record over the last 4-5 years isn't any better than theirs in the cold light of day.
Yeah - like I said, I get it, but I just thought it was an odd thing to be saying now. Refreshingly honesty perhaps, but I would have thought elite sportsman and ego go hand in hand and I imagine most would see themselves as the exception (exhibit A Chris Sandow). There is no way Hodgo is resigning his next contract anywhere in 2023 on the same dollars he is on now, but if he holds hope (or delusion) in his heart then I’d say cultivate it rather than crush it. I’d rather him playing like there is big future money to be made than slapping him down with reality for no good reason. Put yourself in the situation. You’ve done the same for the last few years and you’ve been paid well for it. The boss tells you that you will be paid well next year but after that you are taking a very big pay cut. Are you more enthused or less enthused about your company and your future in it?
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Billy Walker wrote: June 19, 2021, 8:21 am
Yeah - like I said, I get it, but I just thought it was an odd thing to be saying now. Refreshingly honesty perhaps, but I would have thought elite sportsman and ego go hand in hand and I imagine most would see themselves as the exception (exhibit A Chris Sandow). There is no way Hodgo is resigning his next contract anywhere in 2023 on the same dollars he is on now, but if he holds hope (or delusion) in his heart then I’d say cultivate it rather than crush it. I’d rather him playing like there is big future money to be made than slapping him down with reality for no good reason. Put yourself in the situation. You’ve done the same for the last few years and you’ve been paid well for it. The boss tells you that you will be paid well next year but after that you are taking a very big pay cut. Are you more enthused or less enthused about your company and your future in it?
Maybe trying to nip in the bud an issue of his own making where senior players expect the big dollars to roll in until they retire. A perception created by the Croker contract? Hodgo's issues (as he sees them) seem to be wrapped up with the whole captaincy thing as well.
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Nice reality check.
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Yep, looks like we have an Adam Reynolds situation
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I think Josh to Broncos on a 3 year deal starting 2022 is essentially a done deal. I’d say the Broncs are probably wanting us to cover a fair bit of the 800 he’s owed for next season but we’re holding firm and refusing.

Kevie will do whatever it takes to get him as Reynolds and Hodgson together would be a quick fix to a lot of Brisbane’s woes and would most likely save his coaching career.
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Roy Rover wrote: June 19, 2021, 9:20 am I think Josh to Broncos on a 3 year deal starting 2022 is essentially a done deal. I’d say the Broncs are probably wanting us to cover a fair bit of the 800 he’s owed for next season but we’re holding firm and refusing.

Kevie will do whatever it takes to get him as Reynolds and Hodgson together would be a quick fix to a lot of Brisbane’s woes and would most likely save his coaching career.
I can’t understand why we would be putting in anything if he goes to the Broncos. It seems to me that Josh has a decision to make. He can take the longer contract from the Broncos and possibly get paid less in 2022 or he can take his Raiders contract and worry about future years after that.

It doesn’t sound like Hodgo has a back ended deal where he has been paid below market rate in 2020/21 with the cash coming in 2022.

As far as I am concerned we have paid him for his services up to now at market rate, if he goes elsewhere we owe him nothing.
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BadnMean wrote: June 19, 2021, 8:38 am
Billy Walker wrote: June 19, 2021, 8:21 am
Yeah - like I said, I get it, but I just thought it was an odd thing to be saying now. Refreshingly honesty perhaps, but I would have thought elite sportsman and ego go hand in hand and I imagine most would see themselves as the exception (exhibit A Chris Sandow). There is no way Hodgo is resigning his next contract anywhere in 2023 on the same dollars he is on now, but if he holds hope (or delusion) in his heart then I’d say cultivate it rather than crush it. I’d rather him playing like there is big future money to be made than slapping him down with reality for no good reason. Put yourself in the situation. You’ve done the same for the last few years and you’ve been paid well for it. The boss tells you that you will be paid well next year but after that you are taking a very big pay cut. Are you more enthused or less enthused about your company and your future in it?
Maybe trying to nip in the bud an issue of his own making where senior players expect the big dollars to roll in until they retire. A perception created by the Croker contract? Hodgo's issues (as he sees them) seem to be wrapped up with the whole captaincy thing as well.
Interesting comparison to the Croker contract - another player moving into the twilight of his career but a very different positive narrative around it from the club. Do you get any sense that the difference is the club wanted to keep Croker but in this instance is perhaps sending a clear signal Hodgo isn’t part of the long term plans but will only be released early if someone ponies up with the cash. I wouldn’t be feeling the love if I were Hodgo which makes me think Donny’s comments might be quite deliberate.
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I for one he's our captain again next year and our best player

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Eagerly awaiting the player empowerment lobby to come galloping in at any minute now with a saddle bag full of false equivalences in tow.
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Mickey_Raider wrote: June 19, 2021, 7:27 am I am a big Hodgo fan but not sure it is that controversial for Don to say that we don’t have 800k/1.6m/2.4m in the cap for a 33 /34/35 year old hooker with 2 ACLs under his belt.

I think that quote actually suggests that the so called feud between Josh and the club is more just down to dollars and sense and the reality that he won’t be able to secure a long term extension on elite tier money at the club.

At a guess I would say that the club would probably be happy to give him an extra year or two on good (but not elite tier) money but Hodgo considers himself deserving of more.
Bingo.

And that's exactly how the club should see it.
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I have been very critical of Hodgo over the past 18 months, but I would dearly love to see him partnered with a dominant halfback next season, so he could just focus on doing his own job well.

It could genuinely turn this team around, now that we are rebuilding a half decent 3/4 line.
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I would be incredibly surprised if JH doesn't see out the rest of his contract with us - at least.

I would also be incredibly surprised if he ends up at the Broncos.
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Im still not convinced he will be around, but ill be sad to see him go. Easily out best 9 since Walters. Has showed in the past month why we need him.
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CanberraJonno wrote: June 19, 2021, 11:04 am I would be incredibly surprised if JH doesn't see out the rest of his contract with us - at least.

I would also be incredibly surprised if he ends up at the Broncos.
I feel the total opposite
I’d be stunned if he’s not a bronco next year and more stunned if he’s at the raiders

I don’t think there is any hard feelings, I think the club and Hodgson both seem to understand each others position on this but Hodgson wants long term financial security, we can’t/won’t provide it
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Bay53 wrote: June 19, 2021, 9:31 am I can’t understand why we would be putting in anything if he goes to the Broncos. It seems to me that Josh has a decision to make. He can take the longer contract from the Broncos and possibly get paid less in 2022 or he can take his Raiders contract and worry about future years after that.

It doesn’t sound like Hodgo has a back ended deal where he has been paid below market rate in 2020/21 with the cash coming in 2022.

As far as I am concerned we have paid him for his services up to now at market rate, if he goes elsewhere we owe him nothing.
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And that’s how this is being played out imo

We shouldn’t budge because eventually Hodgson will realise that 3 years, 1.5m+ dollars is a better deal than 1 year, 800k and the risks associated with that one year

If Hodgson wants out to take up a long term deal that we’re not willing to match, we should simply let him know he has three options

1. Convince the new club to take on the entirety of his 2022 contract

2. Agree to a mutual release at the end of 2021 with no further obligations on either side and then he’s free to negotiate with whoever for whatever

3. We’ll see you in November for pre season training and look forward to having him for 2022
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Seiffert82 wrote: June 19, 2021, 10:56 am
Mickey_Raider wrote: June 19, 2021, 7:27 am I am a big Hodgo fan but not sure it is that controversial for Don to say that we don’t have 800k/1.6m/2.4m in the cap for a 33 /34/35 year old hooker with 2 ACLs under his belt.

I think that quote actually suggests that the so called feud between Josh and the club is more just down to dollars and sense and the reality that he won’t be able to secure a long term extension on elite tier money at the club.

At a guess I would say that the club would probably be happy to give him an extra year or two on good (but not elite tier) money but Hodgo considers himself deserving of more.
Bingo.

And that's exactly how the club should see it.
I agree that is how the club should see it but trying to understand why the club has said it. Wouldn’t you just say “Josh is contracted for this season and next, I expect we will sit down with Josh to discuss his future beyond that in the second half of next year”. I feel like there is some strong signalling in the statement Don made.
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Billy Walker wrote: June 19, 2021, 11:32 am
Seiffert82 wrote: June 19, 2021, 10:56 am
Mickey_Raider wrote: June 19, 2021, 7:27 am I am a big Hodgo fan but not sure it is that controversial for Don to say that we don’t have 800k/1.6m/2.4m in the cap for a 33 /34/35 year old hooker with 2 ACLs under his belt.

I think that quote actually suggests that the so called feud between Josh and the club is more just down to dollars and sense and the reality that he won’t be able to secure a long term extension on elite tier money at the club.

At a guess I would say that the club would probably be happy to give him an extra year or two on good (but not elite tier) money but Hodgo considers himself deserving of more.
Bingo.

And that's exactly how the club should see it.
I agree that is how the club should see it but trying to understand why the club has said it. Wouldn’t you just say “Josh is contracted for this season and next, I expect we will sit down with Josh to discuss his future beyond that in the second half of next year”. I feel like there is some strong signalling in the statement Don made.
Yes, they appear to be quite transparent about the whole thing. If Hodgson gets an offer too good to refuse I'm sure the club will do the right thing by him and release him for next season, otherwise it's good for him to know he's wanted.
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Love Hodgo. I want him here forever. But not at overs.
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Under the table promise of a coaching gig is how to settle this one.

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Botman wrote: June 19, 2021, 11:25 am
Bay53 wrote: June 19, 2021, 9:31 am I can’t understand why we would be putting in anything if he goes to the Broncos. It seems to me that Josh has a decision to make. He can take the longer contract from the Broncos and possibly get paid less in 2022 or he can take his Raiders contract and worry about future years after that.

It doesn’t sound like Hodgo has a back ended deal where he has been paid below market rate in 2020/21 with the cash coming in 2022.

As far as I am concerned we have paid him for his services up to now at market rate, if he goes elsewhere we owe him nothing.
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And that’s how this is being played out imo

We shouldn’t budge because eventually Hodgson will realise that 3 years, 1.5m+ dollars is a better deal than 1 year, 800k and the risks associated with that one year


If Hodgson wants out to take up a long term deal that we’re not willing to match, we should simply let him know he has three options

1. Convince the new club to take on the entirety of his 2022 contract

2. Agree to a mutual release at the end of 2021 with no further obligations on either side and then he’s free to negotiate with whoever for whatever

3. We’ll see you in November for pre season training and look forward to having him for 2022
Yea this is obviously the crux of it but to be honest Unless hodgson has serious doubts about his body he should back himself to take the 800k next year, play well and he'll be worth significantly more than 350-400k per year for the next 2 years when hes negotiating at the beginning of next season
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Yeah, no he shouldn’t.

If he has a 3 year 1.5M deal on the table say, then he’s wagering a guaranteed 700k on top of his contract against MAYBE 800-900k if he keeps fit and form (note I’m being more generous than you signing him at 400-450)

Would you turn down 700 for what’s probably a 50/50 at best on bumping it to 800 or 900?

I wouldn’t.
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