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Im all for 2 new blokes pushing, rather than Sammy and/or frawlz
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Thoughts on maybe Tyrone Peachy as a halfback? He has always played well against us
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Timbo wrote: September 13, 2021, 6:30 pm It’s a pretty well zero risk signing.

We have heaps of cap space for next season and there’s no one else. We offer him one year with another year or two in the clubs favour. If it works out then aces, if not then we’re back in the market for 2023 - which is where we are right now anyway.
Sure.... apart from the risk of playing him, sucking, and potentially derailing our season.
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afgtnk wrote: September 14, 2021, 4:39 pm
Timbo wrote: September 13, 2021, 6:30 pm It’s a pretty well zero risk signing.

We have heaps of cap space for next season and there’s no one else. We offer him one year with another year or two in the clubs favour. If it works out then aces, if not then we’re back in the market for 2023 - which is where we are right now anyway.
Sure.... apart from the risk of playing him, sucking, and potentially derailing our season.
That risk is nearly just as high for the other two who would each cost more than double...
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Compared to Taylor?

Not even close. Ashley Taylor is **** garbage. Being cheaper doesn't make him a better proposition - especially when we've already got sufficient funds to allocate to the position.
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afgtnk wrote: September 14, 2021, 4:54 pm Compared to Taylor?

Not even close. Ashley Taylor is **** garbage. Being cheaper doesn't make him a better proposition - especially when we've already got sufficient funds to allocate to the position.
But why would you spend double the funds or more for a player who is not nearly double the value in output? There are quality players coming available in a month and a half in other positions that would improve our squad significantly... that's where I think the money should be spent at a time when there are no halves on the market worth spending the money on. Paying $600-800k for trash would be going backwards. I honestly think we'd be much better off getting a gun second rower on the left side, and getting in somebody cheap like Taylor whose role would be restricted to kicking in play, putting CHN through gaps and kicking goals.
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Ash Taylor has the biggest differential from cost to potential that I've seen for a while.

Will it work? Who knows - there's a fair chance it won't.

But if it does, you've cracked the cap. A top player for very little - like when the Roosters signed the Morris lads.

The other players in this thread will improve the team, but not by enough or for little enough cap space.
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afgtnk wrote: September 14, 2021, 4:54 pm Compared to Taylor?

Not even close. Ashley Taylor is **** garbage. Being cheaper doesn't make him a better proposition - especially when we've already got sufficient funds to allocate to the position.
Ash Taylor had 10 try assists and 10 line break assists (or 16 according to Fox Stats vs NRL stats)... not world beating stats, but they're much better than Dylan Brown's. You're right, it's not even close
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I'm interested what Mitchell Moses's stats were at Tigers before Parra bought him. Was that an example of being bought on potential rather than stats, like us with Dylan Brown? And it's generally been successful. I also recall Moses absolutely carving at times for Tigers though, so it may not be an apt comparison. Dylan Brown has never carved anything
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Canberra Milk wrote: September 14, 2021, 6:08 pm I'm interested what Mitchell Moses's stats were at Tigers before Parra bought him. Was that an example of being bought on potential rather than stats, like us with Dylan Brown? And it's generally been successful. I also recall Moses absolutely carving at times for Tigers though, so it may not be an apt comparison. Dylan Brown has never carved anything.
You can see the statistics here: https://www.nrl.com/players/nrl-premier ... ell-moses/

I'd say he had more than just potential.

Dylan Brown statistics for comparison: https://www.nrl.com/players/nrl-premier ... lan-brown/
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Canberra Milk wrote: September 14, 2021, 6:08 pm I'm interested what Mitchell Moses's stats were at Tigers before Parra bought him. Was that an example of being bought on potential rather than stats, like us with Dylan Brown? And it's generally been successful. I also recall Moses absolutely carving at times for Tigers though, so it may not be an apt comparison. Dylan Brown has never carved anything
I was never a Moses guy myself at the tigers, and i havent seen the stats but my eye test assessment has Brown a signficant downgrade on WT's Moses
Even as someone who was not a big fan (and still am not tbh, think he's a good player but a bit overrated) he had moments with the ball in hand, games where he took over and showed he had another level in terms of talent. I've seen nothing from Brown to suggest there is any next level... and that doesnt mean it's not there, i've been wrong plenty before and will be again, but i've not seen it from him.
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Botman wrote: September 14, 2021, 7:05 pm
Canberra Milk wrote: September 14, 2021, 6:08 pm I'm interested what Mitchell Moses's stats were at Tigers before Parra bought him. Was that an example of being bought on potential rather than stats, like us with Dylan Brown? And it's generally been successful. I also recall Moses absolutely carving at times for Tigers though, so it may not be an apt comparison. Dylan Brown has never carved anything
I was never a Moses guy myself at the tigers, and i havent seen the stats but my eye test assessment has Brown a signficant downgrade on WT's Moses

Even as someone who was not a big fan (and still am not tbh, think he's a good player but a bit overrated) he had moments with the ball in hand, games where he took over and showed he had another level in terms of talent. I've seen nothing from Brown to suggest there is any next level... and that doesnt mean it's not there, i've been wrong plenty before and will be again, but i've not seen it from him.
That's what the stats show too in my estimation. Not that stats are everything, but they're significant indicators.
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Sign cust and Taylor and give them time, jack played most of the year as a centre or edge backrow anyway, get someone in on both sides that can run a set play ****..
And hopefully hodgo won't be stinking up the attack with crash balls if he leaves.
That will help a lot
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If Brown's price point was around $400-500k then it might be a different story but at $700k+ he is by far the least appealing option imo
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Dylan Brown is an absolute passenger out there. I see zero potential, and have no idea why anyone in the rugby league world rates him. He does literally nothing. Luke Brooks leaves him for dead, and Brooks is white-hot trash. Other than having good defence, he offers nothing in the organising or attacking department.
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Neeeegz wrote: September 14, 2021, 7:19 pm Sign cust and Taylor and give them time, jack played most of the year as a centre or edge backrow anyway, get someone in on both sides that can run a set play ****..
And hopefully hodgo won't be stinking up the attack with crash balls if he leaves.
That will help a lot
This is what I would do... sign both Taylor and Cust, punt Sammy Williams, let Hodgo take up a deal elsewhere, and use the extra dough to sign a gun second rower for the left edge so that we have options on both sides. Those moves would improve our attack immensely and our defence will improve as a result of that.
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Finchy wrote: September 14, 2021, 7:23 pm Dylan Brown is an absolute passenger out there. I see zero potential, and have no idea why anyone in the rugby league world rates him. He does literally nothing. Luke Brooks leaves him for dead, and Brooks is white-hot trash. Other than having good defence, he offers nothing in the organising or attacking department.
I think my feelings on Luke Brooks are well established at this point, but i concur
I'd legitmately sooner give Luke Brooks 700k than Dylan Brown. Brooks has major, irredeemable flaws IMO, but he's also clearly got some strengths as an attacking footballer... Dylan Brown is defence and support play, that's it. That's all he's got in his bag.
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There’s a young bloke playing in the QCup for the Northern Pride named Tom Steadman. Good young player, an organiser that creates, nice stats and tough defender.


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Botman wrote: September 14, 2021, 7:28 pm
Finchy wrote: September 14, 2021, 7:23 pm Dylan Brown is an absolute passenger out there. I see zero potential, and have no idea why anyone in the rugby league world rates him. He does literally nothing. Luke Brooks leaves him for dead, and Brooks is white-hot trash. Other than having good defence, he offers nothing in the organising or attacking department.
I think my feelings on Luke Brooks are well established at this point, but i concur
I'd legitmately sooner give Luke Brooks 700k than Dylan Brown. Brooks has major, irredeemable flaws IMO, but he's also clearly got some strengths as an attacking footballer... Dylan Brown is defence and support play, that's it. That's all he's got in his bag.
Gwilly offered defence, support play (arguably more alert, but not quite as rapid) and a short/medium kicking game...

I think Brown wants more than GWilly ( who upped the shizzle and left tho). Doesn't quite compute I agree.

We'll find out in November...
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Taylor is an absolute no brainer at the reported 250k price point.

Bring in a Cooper Cronk caliber mentor to work with him with what’s left over.
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Canberra Milk wrote: September 14, 2021, 6:05 pm
afgtnk wrote: September 14, 2021, 4:54 pm Compared to Taylor?

Not even close. Ashley Taylor is **** garbage. Being cheaper doesn't make him a better proposition - especially when we've already got sufficient funds to allocate to the position.
Ash Taylor had 10 try assists and 10 line break assists (or 16 according to Fox Stats vs NRL stats)... not world beating stats, but they're much better than Dylan Brown's. You're right, it's not even close
I'm comparing Taylor to Pearce and Brooks. I don't know how Pearce numbers up comparatively, but Brooks wipes the floor with him.

Brown isn't a viable option to me, unless Wighton's moving somewhere and we're recruiting two halves - even then, the only thing really going for him at this point is the potential he showed a couple of seasons ago, and his young age.
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Raiders_Pat wrote: September 14, 2021, 5:17 pm
afgtnk wrote: September 14, 2021, 4:54 pm Compared to Taylor?

Not even close. Ashley Taylor is **** garbage. Being cheaper doesn't make him a better proposition - especially when we've already got sufficient funds to allocate to the position.
But why would you spend double the funds or more for a player who is not nearly double the value in output? There are quality players coming available in a month and a half in other positions that would improve our squad significantly... that's where I think the money should be spent at a time when there are no halves on the market worth spending the money on. Paying $600-800k for trash would be going backwards. I honestly think we'd be much better off getting a gun second rower on the left side, and getting in somebody cheap like Taylor whose role would be restricted to kicking in play, putting CHN through gaps and kicking goals.
Because we need someone of a specific quality to come into this team, not someone who may potentially be bang for buck. If that specific quality takes x amount of dollars, and we can realistically afford x amount of dollars, then we should be outlaying it.

A halfback's worth isn't only what they output themselves, it's what they also immeasurably unlock in others.
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afgtnk wrote: September 14, 2021, 4:39 pm
Timbo wrote: September 13, 2021, 6:30 pm It’s a pretty well zero risk signing.

We have heaps of cap space for next season and there’s no one else. We offer him one year with another year or two in the clubs favour. If it works out then aces, if not then we’re back in the market for 2023 - which is where we are right now anyway.
Sure.... apart from the risk of playing him, sucking, and potentially derailing our season.
The alternate is that Sam Williams plays 24 first grade games. Which has the same effect.
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Dusty wrote:There’s a young bloke playing in the QCup for the Northern Pride named Tom Steadman. Good young player, an organiser that creates, nice stats and tough defender.


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Dusty wrote: September 14, 2021, 8:15 pm
Dusty wrote:There’s a young bloke playing in the QCup for the Northern Pride named Tom Steadman. Good young player, an organiser that creates, nice stats and tough defender.


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Looks good. To be honest, good squad building would have had someone like that in reserves to begin with, rather than Williams and Frawley who have already hit their potential. More inability by Ricky to accurately evaluate halves

I guess you could argue we've done that with Schneider but there doesn't seem to be much confidence around him, as a 7 at least
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With all the flaws of the options that are being discussed surely Norman has to come into the conversation. I know he has had off field issues, but he does possess a pretty deft short kicking game and would complement jack well. I don't know if he'll sign with Ricky again, after sticky walked out on the eels after Norman had signed with them, but if we can keep him on the straight and narrow I think he'd be a good pick up

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FROG wrote: September 14, 2021, 8:27 pm With all the flaws of the options that are being discussed surely Norman has to come into the conversation. I know he has had off field issues, but he does possess a pretty deft short kicking game and would complement jack well. I don't know if he'll sign with Ricky again, after sticky walked out on the eels after Norman had signed with them, but if we can keep him on the straight and narrow I think he'd be a good pick up

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You watch. Lachlan Lewis has been released. He’s the one we’ll wind up with.
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Lewis won’t get NRL registration for sometime.
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We've done it, we've hit Corey Norman as a speculative option..

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-TW- wrote: September 14, 2021, 9:51 pm We've done it, we've hit Corey Norman as a speculative option..

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1. Norman
3. Dylan Brown
4. Wighton
6. Taylor
7. Brooks
9. Cust
13. Peachey

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Norman is a flat out no.
Cust is an interesting one. He looked very promising in limited opportunities in 2019 or 2020 (?) but hasn't had much of a chance since. I believe he was behind Foran and Schuster in the pecking order so they tried to convert him into a 9. He seems to have lost any pace he had. And Lachlan Croker is keeping him out of the NRL, and also Lawton.
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Yeah, you don't cut loose a Curtis Scott to sign a Corey Norman. No more off-field dramas, under-performing culture-cancers thanks.
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