Coaching issues

[Botman]

I've listened to Cronk a lot, and i have no idea what he's like privately but on camera he can barely string a sentence together. Just **** word salad every time

[-PJ-]

I’m not having relations with the missus til we win..

[hobbsy]

I've listened to Cronk a lot, and i have no idea what he's like privately but on camera he can barely string a sentence together. Just **** word salad every time

Really? Cronk seems obviously the most intelligent analyst on either media platform covering the NRL for mine.

[afgtnk]

That gangrenous thinks Cooper Cronk is highly intelligent explains a hell of a lot about him tbh.

[Botman]

I've listened to Cronk a lot, and i have no idea what he's like privately but on camera he can barely string a sentence together. Just **** word salad every time

Really? Cronk seems obviously the most intelligent analyst on either media platform covering the NRL for mine.

He's clearing a low bar there, and i have no doubt he is very intelleigent on the game but he absolutely has no idea what he's doing communicating it on tv. He just stumbles through his words and thoughts like he's a deer in the headlight.

[afgtnk]

I've listened to Cronk a lot, and i have no idea what he's like privately but on camera he can barely string a sentence together. Just **** word salad every time

Really? Cronk seems obviously the most intelligent analyst on either media platform covering the NRL for mine.

He's clearing a low bar there, and i have no doubt he is very intelleigent on the game but he absolutely has no idea what he's doing communicating it on tv. He just stumbles through his words and thoughts like he's a deer in the headlight.

Which I think in turn would make him an ordinary coach, tbh.

[hobbsy]

I've listened to Cronk a lot, and i have no idea what he's like privately but on camera he can barely string a sentence together. Just **** word salad every time

Really? Cronk seems obviously the most intelligent analyst on either media platform covering the NRL for mine.

He's clearing a low bar there, and i have no doubt he is very intelleigent on the game but he absolutely has no idea what he's doing communicating it on tv. He just stumbles through his words and thoughts like he's a deer in the headlight.

Yeah your not wrong about the low bar and to be fair I'm normally pretty sauced when watching the games (and now) so he seems to make sense to me but I feel like he is usually on point with his analysis and predictions. Seems to always have a better idea of what's going on than most in coverage.

Whether it translates well to coaching is a fair unknown but.

[Botman]

I've listened to Cronk a lot, and i have no idea what he's like privately but on camera he can barely string a sentence together. Just **** word salad every time

Really? Cronk seems obviously the most intelligent analyst on either media platform covering the NRL for mine.

He's clearing a low bar there, and i have no doubt he is very intelleigent on the game but he absolutely has no idea what he's doing communicating it on tv. He just stumbles through his words and thoughts like he's a deer in the headlight.

Yeah your not wrong about the low bar and to be fair I'm normally pretty sauced when watching the games (and now) so he seems to make sense to me but I feel like he is usually on point with his analysis and predictions. Seems to always have a better idea of what's going on than most in coverage.

Whether it translates well to coaching is a fair unknown but.

I generally think the theme of what he's trying to communicate is pretty on the mark, but it's like there is a missing link between his brain and mouth.

[hobbsy]

I've listened to Cronk a lot, and i have no idea what he's like privately but on camera he can barely string a sentence together. Just **** word salad every time

Really? Cronk seems obviously the most intelligent analyst on either media platform covering the NRL for mine.

He's clearing a low bar there, and i have no doubt he is very intelleigent on the game but he absolutely has no idea what he's doing communicating it on tv. He just stumbles through his words and thoughts like he's a deer in the headlight.

Yeah your not wrong about the low bar and to be fair I'm normally pretty sauced when watching the games (and now) so he seems to make sense to me but I feel like he is usually on point with his analysis and predictions. Seems to always have a better idea of what's going on than most in coverage.

Whether it translates well to coaching is a fair unknown but.

I generally think the theme of what he's trying to communicate is pretty on the mark, but it's like there is a missing link between his brain and mouth.

**** thats relatable, no wonder I like him

[Billy Walker]

Really? Cronk seems obviously the most intelligent analyst on either media platform covering the NRL for mine.

He's clearing a low bar there, and i have no doubt he is very intelleigent on the game but he absolutely has no idea what he's doing communicating it on tv. He just stumbles through his words and thoughts like he's a deer in the headlight.

Yeah your not wrong about the low bar and to be fair I'm normally pretty sauced when watching the games (and now) so he seems to make sense to me but I feel like he is usually on point with his analysis and predictions. Seems to always have a better idea of what's going on than most in coverage.

Whether it translates well to coaching is a fair unknown but.

I generally think the theme of what he's trying to communicate is pretty on the mark, but it's like there is a missing link between his brain and mouth.

**** thats relatable, no wonder I like him

Sorry Hobbsy - I’m not quite getting what you’re saying...

[rayden83]

Most good intelligent coaches can barely string a sentence together. Look at Bellamy, Cleary and Bennett, for example. I think all would struggle to register a score on the Wonderlic but in terms of footy IQ, player/relationship management etc they are all punching billies. Then there’s Hasler...

There seems to be a correlation between slurring words, kindergarten level vocabulary and coaching success, possibly because it helps them connect with the cattle they work with. Its the slick, loquacious types like DCE that you should he concerned about.

[Botman]

Can't say i've ever had issues with Bellemy or Bennett's communication
They're pretty clear and consise in what they say and how they say it... they're generally pretty curt in pressers though. Haven't listened to Cleary enough to comment on. But they're objectively dreadful examples to bring up in relation to this.

[Billy Walker]

Can't say i've ever had issues with Bellemy or Bennett's communication
They're pretty clear and consise in what they say and how they say it... they're generally pretty curt in pressers though. Haven't listened to Cleary everything I to comment on. But they're objectively dreadful examples to bring up in relation to this.

I agree with your assessment of Bellemy and Bennett and have heard enough of Cleary to say he is a great communicator. I’d also say Robertson speaks well as does Madge and even Payton

[gangrenous]

I can’t believe after the past 10 years people still rate what Bennett is doing.

[rayden83]

Can't say i've ever had issues with Bellemy or Bennett's communication
They're pretty clear and consise in what they say and how they say it... they're generally pretty curt in pressers though. Haven't listened to Cleary enough to comment on. But they're objectively dreadful examples to bring up in relation to this.

You need to get off the wacky weed mate. Bellamy is an objectively terrible communicator. I have no idea how he communicates with his players but in regards to with the media he is one of the most uncouth around. No it isnt just him being “curt” and “concise” Bennett you can definitely accuse of being curt but he is also a terrible with media.
Perhaps they all play dumb to hide their tells but at face value they are all objectively bad media communicators.

On the other hand Cronk is a pretty good communicator and above average analyst. I guess thats why he has a job at Fox Sports doing exactly that.

[Botman]

Yeah... na.

[Botman]

I can’t believe after the past 10 years people still rate what Bennett is doing.

I dont think that i think he's in the echelon of coaching of Bellemy or Robinson are right now, but he has certainly proven he's still able to get good results. He's a good coach. Good enough? Probably not.

[kiwi raider]

I've listened to Cronk a lot, and i have no idea what he's like privately but on camera he can barely string a sentence together. Just **** word salad every time

Hes very *unpersonal*
obvioously knew what he was doing on the football field but im not sure he's ever been good at explaining it

* im not sure if this even a word

[Hong Kong Raider]

It's the same coach that got us to a GF and deep into the finals the past few years. The problem isn't the coach

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Paul Green won the comp in 2015 for Nth Qld, prelim in 2016, GF in 2017. Sacked in 2020.

Too stale and players were not performing for him.

Ricky has no idea. Remarkably 2021 is already over after 9 rounds and more disturbingly, some of our good players want to leave. The players are stale. If Ricky cannot get them up for a proper pre season or just the second half, it's on him. He has a job, and is underperforming in his job.

[Billy Walker]

I've listened to Cronk a lot, and i have no idea what he's like privately but on camera he can barely string a sentence together. Just **** word salad every time

Hes very *unpersonal*
obvioously knew what he was doing on the football field but im not sure he's ever been good at explaining it

* im not sure if this even a word

It isn’t a word, but if it was it would score 12 in scrabble

[rayden83]

It's the same coach that got us to a GF and deep into the finals the past few years. The problem isn't the coach

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Paul Green won the comp in 2015 for Nth Qld, prelim in 2016, GF in 2017. Sacked in 2020.

He was sacked after a few bad seasons, not a few bad games

[the bone]

Cronk’s one of the better fox sports panelists IMO. His in-game commentary is not quite as slick as his pre/post game analysis, but as he gets more experience he’ll become one of fox sports’ more valuable experts.

[FROG]

I've listened to Cronk a lot, and i have no idea what he's like privately but on camera he can barely string a sentence together. Just **** word salad every time

Really? Cronk seems obviously the most intelligent analyst on either media platform covering the NRL for mine.

He's clearing a low bar there, and i have no doubt he is very intelleigent on the game but he absolutely has no idea what he's doing communicating it on tv. He just stumbles through his words and thoughts like he's a deer in the headlight.

Which I think in turn would make him an ordinary coach, tbh.

As opposed to someone like des Hasler? Furner was another one who was incoherent, and while I'd agree that he was an ordinary coach, he has had a fair bit of success as an assistant.

What I guess I'm saying is being an effective communicator is obviously critical. But having the substance behind it including a high EQ surely has to be the greatest contributing factor as to who would make a good coach

[The Nickman]

Cronk’s one of the better fox sports panelists IMO. His in-game commentary is not quite as slick as his pre/post game analysis, but as he gets more experience he’ll become one of fox sports’ more valuable experts.

Cronk’s biggest issue during a game is that he’s very obviously running on a treadmill as he commentates.

[BadnMean]

Cronk would be interesting but is he even interested in FT coaching? Thought he was pretty happy with his media gigs in Sydney + he moved there pretty much because it was the right place for he and his wife to both pursue their career goal? I thought I remembered something like that about his move to Sydney. Could be wrong.

Bellamy would be gettable of he still wants to coach. No reason he wouldn't come here. Ricky has shown you can recruit here. Bellamy would have so much clout and belief that he'd be able to bring in some good, ambitious players. He's a winner- players know that.

Pretty sure our board will go to RIcky first and say "what do you need?" and Ricky will say "a clean out" before the board would ever go to Ricky and tell him to reconsider his position. He's stubborn and he's not done with this Raiders project. He'll need to evolve again.

[gangrenous]

Hes very *unpersonal*
obvioously knew what he was doing on the football field but im not sure he's ever been good at explaining it

* im not sure if this even a word

It isn’t a word, but if it was it would score 12 in scrabble

Impersonal is probably what you’re after.

[Billy Walker]

Hes very *unpersonal*
obvioously knew what he was doing on the football field but im not sure he's ever been good at explaining it

* im not sure if this even a word

It isn’t a word, but if it was it would score 12 in scrabble

Impersonal is probably what you’re after.

I’d say so - and with the I and the M it would score 14. Always good to take those two extra points on offer hey!

[Ultima]

Another issue I've been thinking over... Stuart is too close to the players. The reason a team like the Roosters has been so successful for so long is they don't give two **** about loyalty. If they think there is a better player out there, off you go then, we have better for less money. For us, we are paying people massive overs as a reward for loyalty, but if it all gets too hard most of them will still walk away with-out so much as a second thought.

I know I'm guilty of it too, but maybe loyalty has no place in modern rugby league, and Stuart loves loyalty.

[Billy Walker]

Another issue I've been thinking over... Stuart is too close to the players. The reason a team like the Roosters has been so successful for so long is they don't give two **** about loyalty. If they think there is a better player out there, off you go then, we have better for less money. For us, we are paying people massive overs as a reward for loyalty, but if it all gets too hard most of them will still walk away with-out so much as a second thought.

I know I'm guilty of it too, but maybe loyalty has no place in modern rugby league, and Stuart loves loyalty.

Interesting take and I won’t argue it. I look at the Panthers who are currently flying and wonder how many of those guys feel a connection or have a strong appreciation for Brad Izzard, Royce Simmons or any other former panther. History and traditions are great and something Ricky is huge on but I’d like this current crop to find their own strong culture more than having an appreciation of what went before them.

[mongoose]

Cronk’s one of the better fox sports panelists IMO. His in-game commentary is not quite as slick as his pre/post game analysis, but as he gets more experience he’ll become one of fox sports’ more valuable experts.

Cronk's in game commentary is an abomination, he makes Blocker sound like a Cambridge professor.

He's no dummy though, he's just one of those guys who's brain thinks too fast for his mouth.

[Timbo]

Another issue I've been thinking over... Stuart is too close to the players. The reason a team like the Roosters has been so successful for so long is they don't give two **** about loyalty. If they think there is a better player out there, off you go then, we have better for less money. For us, we are paying people massive overs as a reward for loyalty, but if it all gets too hard most of them will still walk away with-out so much as a second thought.

I know I'm guilty of it too, but maybe loyalty has no place in modern rugby league, and Stuart loves loyalty.

Interesting take and I won’t argue it. I look at the Panthers who are currently flying and wonder how many of those guys feel a connection or have a strong appreciation for Brad Izzard, Royce Simmons or any other former panther. History and traditions are great and something Ricky is huge on but I’d like this current crop to find their own strong culture more than having an appreciation of what went before them.

I mean, they've got a coach/star player combo who will only work with each other. There's a wee bit of nepotism going on there.

[Billy Walker]

Another issue I've been thinking over... Stuart is too close to the players. The reason a team like the Roosters has been so successful for so long is they don't give two **** about loyalty. If they think there is a better player out there, off you go then, we have better for less money. For us, we are paying people massive overs as a reward for loyalty, but if it all gets too hard most of them will still walk away with-out so much as a second thought.

I know I'm guilty of it too, but maybe loyalty has no place in modern rugby league, and Stuart loves loyalty.

Interesting take and I won’t argue it. I look at the Panthers who are currently flying and wonder how many of those guys feel a connection or have a strong appreciation for Brad Izzard, Royce Simmons or any other former panther. History and traditions are great and something Ricky is huge on but I’d like this current crop to find their own strong culture more than having an appreciation of what went before them.

I mean, they've got a coach/star player combo who will only work with each other. There's a wee bit of nepotism going on there.

Culture and success are probably a chicken and egg thing. Easy to have a happy team when you are blowing everyone off the park. When things aren’t so good all the little things start to grate on people.

I do find it interesting though to think about things that might be issues like whether Ricky is too close to the players or whether the emphasis should be more on the current than the past. I think in the end though neither of these are major issues - we just need a few wins.

[GreenMachine]

Penrith are blowing teams off the park because:

1. They have a back 5 that play the yardage game out of trouble better than most teams...

2. They have two playmakers with exceptional kicking games and play making acumen...

3. They have a mobile, agile forward pack that work together in attack and are less gassed in defence because of the two points I listed above.

Throw in a great hooker and speed in every position...

The 6 again rule really has simplified the game. You nail these points and you will be in contention...

[FuiFui BradBrad]

Penrith are blowing teams off the park because:

1. They have a back 5 that play the yardage game out of trouble better than most teams...

2. They have two playmakers with exceptional kicking games and play making acumen...

3. They have a mobile, agile forward pack that work together in attack and are less gassed in defence because of the two points I listed above.

Throw in a great hooker and speed in every position...

The 6 again rule really has simplified the game. You nail these points and you will be in contention...

I was thinking about this the other day, could you imagine Benji in his prime playing under these rules? Or that 05 Tigers squad for that matter?

[GreenMachine]

Penrith are blowing teams off the park because:

1. They have a back 5 that play the yardage game out of trouble better than most teams...

2. They have two playmakers with exceptional kicking games and play making acumen...

3. They have a mobile, agile forward pack that work together in attack and are less gassed in defence because of the two points I listed above.

Throw in a great hooker and speed in every position...

The 6 again rule really has simplified the game. You nail these points and you will be in contention...

I was thinking about this the other day, could you imagine Benji in his prime playing under these rules? Or that 05 Tigers squad for that matter?

Yeah they would be killing it...
In an effort to remove wrestling, rather than outlaw wrestling, the NRL has turned the game into glorified Oztag...
It's all about speed and more speed from the moment you return the kick...
The days of carrying 3 battering ram middles are gone...your 13 needs to be able to ball play and attack...
Your kick returns must bring the ball back to your forward line to prevent them from becoming fatigued quickly.