2020 Rd 7 V Cowboys: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
9
29%
Raiders 1-12
10
32%
Draw
0
No votes
Cowboys 1-12
6
19%
Cowboys 13+
6
19%
 
Total votes: 31

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Raiders666 wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:06 pm
GreenMachine wrote: April 20, 2021, 6:57 pm
Raiders666 wrote: April 20, 2021, 6:56 pm
GreenMachine wrote: April 20, 2021, 6:29 pm The Tapine "dropping" has to be one of the most mind boggling team changes I can recall...
Either he is been scheduled to rotate this weekend (which I doubt given he only came back from injury) or this is about contract negotiations....Or Joey ran over Ricky's big toe in the car park...
Doesn't make sense.
How can you cultivate an accountability culture when "The Passenger" gets in the team irrespective of form?
You do know Taps is contracted to the end of 2023 right?
When has that ever mattered?
So you honestly think we are trying to push our 2nd best forward out of the club? Haha
I hope not.
Would like to think its rotation, but didn't hear Ricky mention it at the presser.
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Raiders_Pat wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:07 pm Besides Tapine's relegation, I don't mind the team named. Stuart was realistically never going to drop Croker or Scott this week (they should definitely be on notice now though). Credit for naming Kris over Simonsson as Kris is in much better form. I expect us to line up as named but I'd like to see Harawira-Naera at second row with Young to shift to lock and either Guler or Sutton to drop back to the interchange.
Simmonson is injured too...
SO Kris only made the team because we ran out of troops...
Which makes ZERO sense when you consider his form against the other two centres...
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Raiders_Pat wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:07 pm Besides Tapine's relegation, I don't mind the team named. Stuart was realistically never going to drop Croker or Scott this week (they should definitely be on notice now though). Credit for naming Kris over Simonsson as Kris is in much better form. I expect us to line up as named but I'd like to see Harawira-Naera at second row with Young to shift to lock and either Guler or Sutton to drop back to the interchange.
Bailey's on the injured list with a concussion from last week.

Seriously, did nobody read the injury list that also came out today?
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Haven’t read everyone’s thoughts here yet but after seeing the line up I’m putting on raiders 13+
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Ricky Stuart rings in the changes



Canberra Raiders coach has shaken up his team in the lead up to the Green Machine's clash with the North Queensland Cowboys in Townsville on Saturday night.

Hooker Josh Hodgson (calf) and Bailey Simonsson (concussion) were ruled out of the side today through injury, while Josh Papalii was dropped to the bench and Joe Tapine and Sia Soliola were omitted from the top 17.

Tom Starling comes into the starting team at dummy half, while Sebastian Kris comes in on the wing. Ryan James and Emre Guler take over the role of starting props, while Ryan Sutton will start at lock.



After Canberra's loss to the Eels, Stuart made no secret of his unhappiness with the effort of "some individuals" in his team in his post match press conference.

At short notice, he brought forward this week's scheduled press conference to this afternoon, 15 minutes after the Round 7 line up was announced. He said he did that because there was considerable speculation around his post match comments.

"Obviously there's a lot of speculation in regards to my post match press conference," Stuart explained.

"I was asked if there would be changes, and I said Seb Kris would be in the 17. There's been a lot of speculation now over a number of changes. I'm better off to come out and talk about it, so there's not another 24 hours of waiting for me to talk about it and get it out on the table."

"Firstly, we're not the only team, and we won't be the last, to lose two games in a row."

"I've made a couple of changes and I won't be going into why. But I've made a couple of changes to try and pick up a bit of form, what we haven't got at the moment."

"We're not playing the style of football that we have become accustomed to. But it's also not uncommon. We probably started a little bit slower than we thought."

"This time last year we were very similar in regards to some of our results. But we picked up the piece and continued onto a strong season."

"There's no reason or rhyme that we won't do it again. We will. It's just a matter of just trying to find a little bit of form in players and forming a football team."

Today, Stuart was down playing the changes he'd made to this week's team - and concerns about his team's start to 2021. He says that through the season, he'll continue to change up his line up.

"I've said right from the start, I've got a strong squad and players will be used in a couple of instances. One is performance based, and two I'll be rolling players over to try and keep a fresh football team," he said.

"I'll roll players again next week because I've got a five day turnaround."

"I don't think it's any great news outside there's a couple of changes."

"Again, there'll be more changes right throughout the season, injury and/or performance based."

"It's just a matter of being very fortunate as a coach I can bring in some players that I'm very confident will do a good job this weekend."

"I haven't shown any great concern outside of being disappointed after a loss. It's not the first time I've been disappointed after a loss."

"It was just two losses in a row which makes me frustrated. But no more frustrated than the boys are. We know what we're capable of and we know that it's only around the corner before we get it back."

Stuart said that Bailey Simonsson had been in doubt after leaving the field with concussion in the loss to the Eels. He failed an HIA and did not return.

He said Hodgson had suffered a calf injury at training today. While Hodgson had a problem with a hip in the loss to the Panthers, Stuart said his co-captain has not been carrying an injury.

"Bailey was ruled out today by the doctor with an HIA," Stuart said.

"And unfortunately Josh Hodgson has a slight strain to a calf, lower calf, and that was done today at training. Early diagnosis is it will probably be two to three weeks."

He has done a calf before. We were doing a drill today where he was carrying a pad and running backwards and it's a slight strain to his right calf."

"It was one to weeks, but they're saying conservatively it'll be a two to three week injury. He'll come back hopefully for Round 9 or 10."

Stuart declined to elaborate on the feedback he'd given Joe Tapine, when dropping him to the reserves list.

"That's all personal. Like all the players that I've spoken to in regards to form and what I need out of them.," Stuart said.

"Joe Tapine has the ability to be one of the best middles in the game and he won't be sitting where he is for very long."



Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad received some good news today about his neck injury. Specialists are advising he won't need surgery to correct a bulging disc. But he'll still be out for seven to eight weeks - with further scans due in a month. Ricky Stuart said that he won't be taking any risks with the star fullback.

"We'll give him time, it's a major injury. Whether it's a little bit longer than that, our medical people will make sure he's a 100 per cent fit and physically capable to come back and get back to where he's been," Stuart said.

Elliott Whitehead has been named co-captain in the absence of Hodgson - with the aim of having a voice of authority in the middle who can communicate with the referee.

A report for The Greenhouse.

VIDEO: Ricky Stuart talks team changes: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2021/04 ... m-changes/

VIDEO: Ryan Sutton: "I'll play anywhere I'm required": https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2021/04 ... -required/

VIDEO: Elliott Whitehead: "We've had our review and we want to put it right": https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2021/04 ... -it-right/

Joseph Tapine dropped as Josh Hodgson succumbs to calf strain: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

Ricky Stuart swings the axe as Raiders suffer cruel injury blow: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-2642544
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The only conclusion I’ve drawn from the Tapine exclusion is it’s attitude and effort related. He certainly hasn’t run straight and hard the last fortnight.

Beating players by going sideways only works when the defenders think you are a good chance of going direct. This is an age old constant in Rugby League.
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GreenMachine wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:14 pm
Raiders_Pat wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:07 pm Besides Tapine's relegation, I don't mind the team named. Stuart was realistically never going to drop Croker or Scott this week (they should definitely be on notice now though). Credit for naming Kris over Simonsson as Kris is in much better form. I expect us to line up as named but I'd like to see Harawira-Naera at second row with Young to shift to lock and either Guler or Sutton to drop back to the interchange.
Simmonson is injured too...
SO Kris only made the team because we ran out of troops...
Which makes ZERO sense when you consider his form against the other two centres...
Nah, Kris was always coming in. Simmo being out just meant he goes on the wing instead of another change. Though I think Scott/Croker are better suited to wing than Kris, but that's splitting hairs. Hopefully if we put Croker in at LW then he'll have the kicks sent his way, and we have Kris taking in the subsequent drive, rather than Croker being on gruntwork.

Tapine being dropped isn't a big surprise to me, obviously something was spotted last week during his stint that meant he didn't get his minutes in the second half. We have a million middle forwards anyway so it's already an issue to manage them, and we see less of a dropoff in experience/proven quality by switching them around, so that's an easier call. Young is lucky we don't have any edge forwards, he was a stand out issue in defence last week, so here's a chance to redeem himself with CHN breathing down his neck.
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BJ wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:26 pm The only conclusion I’ve drawn from the Tapine exclusion is it’s attitude and effort related. He certainly hasn’t run straight and hard the last fortnight.

Beating players by going sideways only works when the defenders think you are a good chance of going direct. This is an age old constant in Rugby League.
Exactly. Hes no rookie anymore. Along with Papalii we need tapine leading our middle and taking it to the likes of Nathan Brown, Fisher Harris, etc not just going through the motions with okay performances.

Our middle has seriously lacked aggression compared to the last couple of years when Tapine, papalii, Horse, young etc were really taking it to other sides and getting up in there faces, Stuart wants Joe back being dominant not just okay, he said as much in his presser.

"Joe Tapine has the ability to be one of the best middles in the game and he won't be sitting where he is for very long
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Who would of thought we'd be talking about Kris as the shining light this season...
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radicalraider wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:41 pm Who would of thought we'd be talking about Kris as the shining light this season...
And who would've thought we'd be calling for Jack Wighton, George Williams, and Elliott Whitehead to be dropped? Ahaha hey?!?
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afgtnk wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:45 pm
radicalraider wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:41 pm Who would of thought we'd be talking about Kris as the shining light this season...
And who would've thought we'd be calling for Jack Wighton, George Williams, and Elliott Whitehead to be dropped? Ahaha hey?!?
Sell G.W.. there's around 10 halfbacks on the market which I prefer over him.. sell whitehead and replace him with a strong ball runner called 12. Jack wighton!
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radicalraider wrote:
afgtnk wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:45 pm
radicalraider wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:41 pm Who would of thought we'd be talking about Kris as the shining light this season...
And who would've thought we'd be calling for Jack Wighton, George Williams, and Elliott Whitehead to be dropped? Ahaha hey?!?
Sell G.W.. there's around 10 halfbacks on the market which I prefer over him.. sell whitehead and replace him with a strong ball runner called 12. Jack wighton!
You're an absolute dribbler

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Okay so sell George
Sell Elliott
Move Jack to the edge

What else do we need??
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Terry Martin in the halves

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afgtnk wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:54 pm Okay so sell George
Sell Elliott
Move Jack to the edge

What else do we need??
Sell Croker.. Sell Sia.. swap Scott for gagai and tell south's we'll pay half just take him off us.. give Reynolds a 3 yr deal and bring the MILF back.
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2022:
1. Aekins
2. Kris
3.CNK
4.gagai
5. Timoko
6.MILF
7.Reynolds
8.horse
9.Starling
10. Pap
11. Young
12. JACK WIGHTON
13. Tapine
14. HOG
15.CHN
16.SUTTON
17. GULER
18. JAMES
Squad overhaul required after 5+ years with current squad couldn't get it done.
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radicalraider wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:56 pm
afgtnk wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:54 pm Okay so sell George
Sell Elliott
Move Jack to the edge

What else do we need??
Sell Croker.. Sell Sia.. swap Scott for gagai and tell south's we'll pay half just take him off us.. give Reynolds a 3 yr deal and bring the MILF back.
You sure that's it?

I don't think you've completed your changes yet.
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afgtnk wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:59 pm
radicalraider wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:56 pm
afgtnk wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:54 pm Okay so sell George
Sell Elliott
Move Jack to the edge

What else do we need??
Sell Croker.. Sell Sia.. swap Scott for gagai and tell south's we'll pay half just take him off us.. give Reynolds a 3 yr deal and bring the MILF back.
You sure that's it?

I don't think you've completed your changes yet.
You can Keep falling for this abysmal squad..
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radicalraider wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:56 pm
afgtnk wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:54 pm Okay so sell George
Sell Elliott
Move Jack to the edge

What else do we need??
Sell Croker.. Sell Sia.. swap Scott for gagai and tell south's we'll pay half just take him off us.. give Reynolds a 3 yr deal and bring the MILF back.
Wow. Give me Croker at the end of his 3 year deal over Reynolds at the end of his. Reynolds will be on a mobility scooter by then
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I know it sucks when the Raiders suck, but you cant deny that it brings all the weirdo's out of the woodwork

Radicalraider has us replacing 20 of our top 30 next year, and his main sticking point is bringing an over weight, lazy and over paid footbalelr back into the team that he thought he was too good for. Just wonderful stuff.
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Rickmando wrote:
radicalraider wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:56 pm
afgtnk wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:54 pm Okay so sell George
Sell Elliott
Move Jack to the edge

What else do we need??
Sell Croker.. Sell Sia.. swap Scott for gagai and tell south's we'll pay half just take him off us.. give Reynolds a 3 yr deal and bring the MILF back.
Wow. Give me Croker at the end of his 3 year deal over Reynolds at the end of his. Reynolds will be on a mobility scooter by then
He wanted 122 year old Brett Morris before

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radicalraider wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:58 pm 2022:
1. Aekins
2. Kris
3.CNK
4.gagai
5. Timoko
6.MILF
7.Reynolds
8.horse
9.Starling
10. Pap
11. Young
12. JACK WIGHTON
13. Tapine
14. HOG
15.CHN
16.SUTTON
17. GULER
18. JAMES
Squad overhaul required after 5+ years with current squad couldn't get it done.
Aren't you a bit concerned about these guys though?
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Doesnt he hate pants?
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radicalraider wrote:2022:
1. Aekins
2. Kris
3.CNK
4.gagai
5. Timoko
6.MILF
7.Reynolds
8.horse
9.Starling
10. Pap
11. Young
12. JACK WIGHTON
13. Tapine
14. HOG
15.CHN
16.SUTTON
17. GULER
18. JAMES
Squad overhaul required after 5+ years with current squad couldn't get it done.
This is brilliant.

I for one support head injury awareness and think that we should all be more supportive.

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radicalraider wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:58 pm 2022:
1. Aekins
2. Kris
3.CNK
4.gagai
5. Timoko
6.MILF
7.Reynolds
8.horse
9.Starling
10. Pap
11. Young
12. JACK WIGHTON
13. Tapine
14. HOG
15.CHN
16.SUTTON
17. GULER
18. JAMES
Squad overhaul required after 5+ years with current squad couldn't get it done.
You really do live up to your name, I'll give you that
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Does Croker train? Surely Hodgson calf muscle tear is contagious and could be picked up by Croker


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LastRaider wrote: April 20, 2021, 8:17 pm Does Croker train? Surely Hodgson calf muscle tear is contagious and could be picked up by CrokerImage


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Replaced by whom? Valaemi and HSS are injured. CNK is out. Simo is out. Hopoate too and even if he wasnt, he cant play until round 10. There really isnt anyone to bring in.
I think it saved him from being dropped. I really do. But there is not a lot of options left to the coach when he's got 5 outside backs unavailable for selection
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Botman wrote:
LastRaider wrote: April 20, 2021, 8:17 pm Does Croker train? Surely Hodgson calf muscle tear is contagious and could be picked up by CrokerImage


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Replaced by whom? Valaemi and HSS are injured. CNK is out. Simo is out. Hopoate too and even if he wasnt, he cant play until round 10. There really sitn anyone to bring in.
I think it saved him from being dropped. I really do. But there is not a lot of options left to the coach when he's got 5 outside backs unavailable for selection
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What's Ata Hingano up to these days?
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I say we bring back Josh McCrone.

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I think McCrone would be a terrible move.

He can't cover the wing like Hingano can and we need that kinda versatility.
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Botman wrote: April 20, 2021, 8:19 pm
LastRaider wrote: April 20, 2021, 8:17 pm Does Croker train? Surely Hodgson calf muscle tear is contagious and could be picked up by CrokerImage


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Replaced by whom? Valaemi and HSS are injured. CNK is out. Simo is out. Hopoate too and even if he wasnt, he cant play until round 10. There really isnt anyone to bring in.
I think it saved him from being dropped. I really do. But there is not a lot of options left to the coach when he's got 5 outside backs unavailable for selection
Yea absolutely no options. We have 6 outside backs fit. Aekins, Rapana and 4 centres, i suppose we could go with a left edge combo of Dunamis Lui on the wing and Havili at centre?
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Bring back Spurty Purty
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afgtnk wrote:I think McCrone would be a terrible move.

He can't cover the wing like Hingano can and we need that kinda versatility.
This is true.

But we can't have too many hookers that can play in the halves.

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radicalraider wrote: April 20, 2021, 7:58 pm 2022:
1. Aekins
2. Kris
3.CNK
4.gagai
5. Timoko
6.MILF
7.Reynolds
8.horse
9.Starling
10. Pap
11. Young
12. JACK WIGHTON
13. Tapine
14. HOG
15.CHN
16.SUTTON
17. GULER
18. JAMES
Squad overhaul required after 5+ years with current squad couldn't get it done.
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