2020 Rd 6 V Eels: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

[Northern Raider]

So we're looking to move the Dally M winning 5/8 to centre and replace him with a guy who's being dropped from one of the worse teams in the comp. I might take some convincing on that one.

Jack won the Dally M coz he's one of the very few attacking players in our team so he stands out more.. Im sure wed all prefer a keary, munster or walker who can kick and pass better than Jack.. let's not be bious

By your own admission he's a standout in our team playing at 5/8. Saying he's not as good as Keary or Munster in that position is hardly grounds to shift him to centre.

Just incase you thought he's in the group of premier 6's in the comp.. he's not even top 5. Being a Standout in our team has shown to not be enough to win us a comp. The fact is our halves are not up there with the top 4 teams and until Ricky does something to change that.. we are all wasting our time..

You've already mentioned Keary, Munster and Walker as better and assume you'll have Luai on current form. Who's the 5th best 5/8 in the comp?

[BadnMean]

Jack topped multiple categories of 5/8s in attacking play in 2020. He was top 3 in a few more besides. Also most kick metres and other things like kick errors he was par with those peers listed. And he was clearly the best defensive 5/8. He killed it.

He's havin a bubble bath I think.

[radicalraider]

So we're looking to move the Dally M winning 5/8 to centre and replace him with a guy who's being dropped from one of the worse teams in the comp. I might take some convincing on that one.

Jack won the Dally M coz he's one of the very few attacking players in our team so he stands out more.. Im sure wed all prefer a keary, munster or walker who can kick and pass better than Jack.. let's not be bious

By your own admission he's a standout in our team playing at 5/8. Saying he's not as good as Keary or Munster in that position is hardly grounds to shift him to centre.

Just incase you thought he's in the group of premier 6's in the comp.. he's not even top 5. Being a Standout in our team has shown to not be enough to win us a comp. The fact is our halves are not up there with the top 4 teams and until Ricky does something to change that.. we are all wasting our time..

You've already mentioned Keary, Munster and Walker as better and assume you'll have Luai on current form. Who's the 5th best 5/8 in the comp?

He's not even in top 30 for try assists or line break assists from last year. That's unheard of for a half, goes to show he's just a strong ball runner!

[radicalraider]

Jack topped multiple categories of 5/8s in attacking play in 2020. He was top 3 in a few more besides. Also most kick metres and other things like kick errors he was par with those peers listed. And he was clearly the best defensive 5/8. He killed it.

He's havin a bubble bath I think.

Not even top 30 in try assists or line break assists? Errors he's 4th with 32 errors ! No other half comes close.. where are you pulling your BS from ?? .. Kick errors lol which 6 kicks it out on the full every 2nd week other than Jack. He's just a strong ball runner!

[Northern Raider]

Jack won the Dally M coz he's one of the very few attacking players in our team so he stands out more.. Im sure wed all prefer a keary, munster or walker who can kick and pass better than Jack.. let's not be bious

By your own admission he's a standout in our team playing at 5/8. Saying he's not as good as Keary or Munster in that position is hardly grounds to shift him to centre.

Just incase you thought he's in the group of premier 6's in the comp.. he's not even top 5. Being a Standout in our team has shown to not be enough to win us a comp. The fact is our halves are not up there with the top 4 teams and until Ricky does something to change that.. we are all wasting our time..

You've already mentioned Keary, Munster and Walker as better and assume you'll have Luai on current form. Who's the 5th best 5/8 in the comp?

He's not even in top 30 for try assists or line break assists from last year. That's unheard of for a half, goes to show he's just a strong ball runner!

Sorry, I didn't quite catch the name there.

[The Nickman]

What time do the team lists drop in Canberra today, there was some kind of daylight savings time change recently wasn't there ?

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Teamlist Tuesday usually drops on Tuesday I think.

[BadnMean]

Jack topped multiple categories of 5/8s in attacking play in 2020. He was top 3 in a few more besides. Also most kick metres and other things like kick errors he was par with those peers listed. And he was clearly the best defensive 5/8. He killed it.

He's havin a bubble bath I think.

Not even top 30 in try assists or line break assists? Errors he's 4th with 32 errors ! No other half comes close.. where are you pulling your BS from ?? .. Kick errors lol which 6 kicks it out on the full every 2nd week other than Jack. He's just a strong ball runner!

Tries and line breaks tho... run metres... Kick error stats comparable with his peers. If you watch other 6s, they all make mistakes. 2020 5/8 stats. Are you looking at the entire comp or something?

But ok, the entire competition was fooled and he was no good.

[GreenMachine]

I have a real hard time believing Jack isn't in the top echelon of 5/8's in this competition....

[radicalraider]

Jack topped multiple categories of 5/8s in attacking play in 2020. He was top 3 in a few more besides. Also most kick metres and other things like kick errors he was par with those peers listed. And he was clearly the best defensive 5/8. He killed it.

He's havin a bubble bath I think.

Not even top 30 in try assists or line break assists? Errors he's 4th with 32 errors ! No other half comes close.. where are you pulling your BS from ?? .. Kick errors lol which 6 kicks it out on the full every 2nd week other than Jack. He's just a strong ball runner!

Tries and line breaks tho... run metres... Kick error stats comparable with his peers. If you watch other 6s, they all make mistakes. 2020 5/8 stats. Are you looking at the entire comp or something?

But ok, the entire competition was fooled and he was no good.

No one said no good. But to win a comp? isn't that what we're waiting for.. I watch every game and anyone who does will have noticed by now that Jack doesn't offer enough at 6 for us to go that next level.

[radicalraider]

I have a real hard time believing Jack isn't in the top echelon of 5/8's in this competition....

Is the modern day 6 just a ball runner? Where does Jack's kick and pass compare with luai, keary, walker, munster .. ? Think!

[radicalraider]

Geez Ricky has done a good job in fogging a few minds of these fans

[zim]

So we're looking to move the Dally M winning 5/8 to centre and replace him with a guy who's being dropped from one of the worse teams in the comp. I might take some convincing on that one.

Do it.

[Canberra Milk]

How often does Keary score a try off his own back though... ok Luai does, I admit.

I'm ok with Wighton being a ballrunner but without an organising half next to him? As a halves combination, the jury is still out imo... there's clearly a reason we struggle to attack inside the 20 (other than crash balls), and I don't think it's just CNK

Like the Raiders in general, I would still rate them as strong overall, but just shy of the elite teams... poor attack in the 20 is a big weakness to carry going against the big teams

[zim]

I've changed my mind a bit. Barring injury:

1. Caleb Aekins
2. Bailey Simonsson
3. Jarrod Croker (c)
4. Curtis Scott
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Jack Wighton
7. George Williams
8. Josh Papalii
9. Josh Hodgson (c)
10. Ryan Sutton
11. Hudson Young
12. Elliot Whitehead
13. Joseph Tapine

14. Sebastian Kris
15. Siliva Havili
16. Corey Harawira-Naera
17. Ryan James

CHN coming on into the 2nd row after about 25mins with Young moving to the middle.

[radicalraider]

How often does Keary score a try off his own back though... ok Luai does, I admit.

I'm ok with Wighton being a ballrunner but without an organising half next to him? As a halves combination, the jury is still out imo... there's clearly a reason we struggle to attack inside the 20 (other than crash balls), and I don't think it's just CNK

Like the Raiders in general, I would still rate them as strong overall, but just shy of the elite teams... poor attack in the 20 is a big weakness to carry going against the big teams

Agree, George needs to take more ownership inside the 20. I must admit I'm not convinced he's the right fix he's starting to remind me of Sezer. Another factor is HOG at 9, he needs to pass to the halves more. Fractured spine.

[Perth Raiders]

I am not saying Toots needs to move permanently to the wing, but think with CNK out, we’ll be better off with-

1. Jordan Rapana
2. Bailey Simonsson
3. Seb Kris
4. Curtis Scott
5. Jarrod Croker (c)
6. Jack Wighton
7. George Williams
8. Josh Papalii
9. Josh Hodgson (c)
10. Ryan Sutton
11. Hudson Young
12. Elliot Whitehead
13. Joseph Tapine

14. Tom Starling
15. Siliva Havili (Emre Guler)
16. Corey Harawira-Naera
17. Ryan James

[radicalraider]

1. Jack wighton
2. Bailey Simonsson
3. Seb Kris
4. Curtis Scott
5. Rapana
6. Frawley
7. George Williams
8. Josh Papalii
9. Josh Hodgson (c)
10. Ryan Sutton
11. Hudson Young
12. Elliot Whitehead
13. Joseph Tapine

14. Tom Starling
15. Emre Guler
16. Corey Harawira-Naera
17. Ryan James

[GreenMachine]

I have a real hard time believing Jack isn't in the top echelon of 5/8's in this competition....

Is the modern day 6 just a ball runner? Where does Jack's kick and pass compare with luai, keary, walker, munster .. ? Think!

Your whole list ends after 4 names...
Plus you actually think Milford would be useful for us, which I completely disagree.
This must be a wind up.

[radicalraider]

I have a real hard time believing Jack isn't in the top echelon of 5/8's in this competition....

Is the modern day 6 just a ball runner? Where does Jack's kick and pass compare with luai, keary, walker, munster .. ? Think!

Your whole list ends after 4 names...

The list could be 30..Even dufty and Sam walker have a better pass.. let's not embarrass ourselves further

[-TW-]

What's your point?

We've come 4th and 5th (technically 2nd and 3rd) with him as our 5/8 in the last 2 years.

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[GreenMachine]

I have a real hard time believing Jack isn't in the top echelon of 5/8's in this competition....

Is the modern day 6 just a ball runner? Where does Jack's kick and pass compare with luai, keary, walker, munster .. ? Think!

Your whole list ends after 4 names...

The list could be 30..Even dufty and Sam walker have a better pass.. let's not embarrass ourselves further

You shouldn’t...

[radicalraider]

What's your point?

We've come 4th and 5th (technically 2nd and 3rd) with him as our 5/8 in the last 2 years.

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Point is you need your 6 to be more than just a runner to win a comp in this modern game.
Yeah and we came 2nd in 2016 without him at 6.

[radicalraider]

I have a real hard time believing Jack isn't in the top echelon of 5/8's in this competition....

Is the modern day 6 just a ball runner? Where does Jack's kick and pass compare with luai, keary, walker, munster .. ? Think!

Your whole list ends after 4 names...

The list could be 30..Even dufty and Sam walker have a better pass.. let's not embarrass ourselves further

You shouldn’t...

Let's sit back and watch Ricky try and win a comp with a 6 who has no effective passing or kicking game..

[-TW-]

What's your point?

We've come 4th and 5th (technically 2nd and 3rd) with him as our 5/8 in the last 2 years.

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Point is you need your 6 to be more than just a runner to win a comp in this modern game.
Yeah and we came 2nd in 2016 without him at 6.

We also come 2nd by beating up on bum teams at the back end of the season

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[The Nickman]

Boy, some real hot takes in this thread!

FWIW, I agree with zim's team.

[Perth Raiders]

Greenhouse is a wonderful place to be after a loss! We lose two games only because of injury and we talk about the Dally M winner being moved from his position and replacing him with a crab like Frawley! Fml

[radicalraider]

The worst thing to ever happen to our club was for Jack to win a Dally m.. Why? Because it seems like its clouded everyones mind at the club who are thinking the best fit for our attack is Jack at 6.. other than myself and other nrl experts, journos and other stake-holders outside of the club who recognise that Jack is just a strong runner and severely lacks a kick and pass. It might be enough to play finals but definitely not to win a comp.. you just have to look over the last couple of years or even just last weekend to what happens when we play the elite sides. Even better the 2019 GF, Jack got so much ball and what did he do??? Kick it down b moz' s throat a dozen times.. 6 again didn't cost us our 6 did!

[Raiders666]

[GreenMachine]

The worst thing to ever happen to our club was for Jack to win a Dally m.. Why? Because it seems like its clouded everyones mind at the club who are thinking the best fit for our attack is Jack at 6.. other than myself and other nrl experts, journos and other stake-holders outside of the club who recognise that Jack is just a strong runner and severely lacks a kick and pass. It might be enough to play finals but definitely not to win a comp.. you just have to look over the last couple of years or even just last weekend to what happens when we play the elite sides. Even better the 2019 GF, Jack got so much ball and what did he do??? Kick it down b moz' s throat a dozen times.. 6 again didn't cost us our 6 did!

The EDIT...

[radicalraider]

When it comes to the crunch as we've seen in last 2 years... Jack barging over isn't gna be enough to win the games that matter.. I'm not tacking away anything from Jack as a player but unfortunately we can't rely on his limited skill set to win us the big games.. Ricky needs to find a better way and if George can't do it than get another 7..

[Rick]

The worst thing to ever happen to our club was for Jack to win a Dally m.. Why? Because it seems like its clouded everyones mind at the club who are thinking the best fit for our attack is Jack at 6.. other than myself and other nrl experts, journos and other stake-holders outside of the club who recognise that Jack is just a strong runner and severely lacks a kick and pass. It might be enough to play finals but definitely not to win a comp.. you just have to look over the last couple of years or even just last weekend to what happens when we play the elite sides. Even better the 2019 GF, Jack got so much ball and what did he do??? Kick it down b moz' s throat a dozen times.. 6 again didn't cost us our 6 did!

Yes I agree our homegrown junior winning the Dally M medal last year was the worst thing to ever happen to our club.

I was filthy when I found out, disgusted almost.


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[Northern Raider]

It has to be Lucy. No other explanation.

[Botman]

100% agree with Zim's team also

[Pete Cash]

I watch a lot of football and I really dont think we play that much more crash balls than the rest of the comp. It feels like a meme. Where we are worse than the really good sides is that they normally have a few options on the play so the crash ball might trick the defenders. A lot of our problems come from structure rather than individual players and I think complaining about the spine individually kinda misses the issue. We simply do not make the defenders make decisions and Pro Rugby League players (with a few exceptions) are good enough to make their tackles most of the time.

Crash plays are so commonly used because defensive lines are so fast.

[Botman]

I watch a lot of football and I really dont think we play that much more crash balls than the rest of the comp. It feels like a meme. Where we are worse than the good sides is that they normally have a few options on the play so the crash ball might trick the defenders. A lot of our problems come from structure rather than individual players and I think complaining about the spine individually kinda misses the issue. We simply do not make the defenders make decisions and Pro Rugby League players (with a few exceptions) are good enough to make their tackles most of the time.

This is 100% right imo and is exactly what i've been getting at about our structure. Thought admittedly this is a much simpler and concise way of saying it.