2020 Rd 6 V Eels: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
2
10%
Raiders 1-12
12
60%
Draw
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Eels 1-12
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Eels 13+
3
15%
 
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afgtnk wrote: April 13, 2021, 4:28 pm I'm sorry, but not picking Sebastian Kris to start when he's literally the only outside back posing any real danger to the opposition is a complete joke by Sticky.
He'll be on the bench come kick off.
I think Hodgo will not play and one of the hookers will start.
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GreenMachine wrote: April 13, 2021, 4:31 pm
afgtnk wrote: April 13, 2021, 4:28 pm I'm sorry, but not picking Sebastian Kris to start when he's literally the only outside back posing any real danger to the opposition is a complete joke by Sticky.
He'll be on the bench come kick off.
I think Hodgo will not play and one of the hookers will start.
Hence why I'm covering for him being on the bench by saying he's not starting him. He deserves to be the first player picked in that backline right now based on form, not dropped to the bench for Curtis Scott once he returns - IF in fact he does make it in.

Scott can be in whatever form he likes - he's not a patch on what Kris can offer right now.
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Hong Kong Raider wrote: April 13, 2021, 4:26 pm Very disappointing side by Stuart. Two hookers again. Kris, one of our best players in the first 5 rounds, gets left out completely.
He really likes to think he knows it all to prove everyone wrong. Starting to get sick of this. We will be beaten again
Kris was left out of the starting team the first game Croker came back then came in for Young. Just because he isn't in the starting 17 today doesn't mean he won't be come game day.

Havili hasn't been used as a hooker all year he is used in the forwards and has done a reasonable job whilst providing cover in the hooker position. I would have Kris in for Starling despite liking Starling the balance of the bench would be better with Kris and Havili
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afgtnk wrote: April 13, 2021, 4:35 pm
GreenMachine wrote: April 13, 2021, 4:31 pm
afgtnk wrote: April 13, 2021, 4:28 pm I'm sorry, but not picking Sebastian Kris to start when he's literally the only outside back posing any real danger to the opposition is a complete joke by Sticky.
He'll be on the bench come kick off.
I think Hodgo will not play and one of the hookers will start.
Hence why I'm covering for him being on the bench by saying he's not starting him. He deserves to be the first player picked in that backline right now based on form, not dropped to the bench for Curtis Scott once he returns - IF in fact he does make it in.

Scott can be in whatever form he likes - he's not a patch on what Kris can offer right now.
Yeah you won't get an argument from me...
Scott was in decent form prior to his injury..
If anything Kris should be starting over Croker....but that's never happening.
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I hope Kris replaces Croker in the team and CNH Havili. It is such an unbalanced team. No way Kris deserves to be left out
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If were picking Havili over CHN / Guler or the Horse, to play as a middle (and not as a hooker), were missing a trick.
I like what he offers, but that's just sabotage....all three of those players could do his job and more.
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Kris for Simonsson could be worth a shout too you'd think. Then CHN for one of Havili or Starling.

If Havili is used solely as a middle/second row there is no way one could argue he is better than CHN. And I'm a big Havili fan but CHN offers us a lot more.
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Kris simply must be at very least on the bench going forward. He is a gun and will be a rep player in 2 to 3 years.

Simply dont understand why Stuart would keep him out. Probably just a smokescreen.
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I am ok with Havili being used as a forward as he often gets good post contact meters but rather not have him and Starling on the bench Starling just doesn't provide enough utility which we have lacked when our backs have gone down injured. Kris would be a great option for utility on the bench.
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You are a stubborn man Sticky.
I'm not so sure he won't stick to that 17
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And Trevor Thurling was Sonny Bill esque in 2008, I won't hear otherwise
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It's simple as this: Sticky thinks Whitehead is a reasonable centre option. And he won't change his mind easily.

He bought Scott for a reason, to be starting centre, he won't change his mind easily

He thinks he needs 4 middles on bench, he won't change his mind easily

He thinks the two Coreys have to wait weeks and weeks before they can come back, and won't change his mind easily

There's a pattern here...
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I Think Dylan Brown is a bigger loss for Parra then CNK is for Canberra.
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afgtnk wrote: April 13, 2021, 4:35 pm
Scott can be in whatever form he likes - he's not a patch on what Kris can offer right now.
A reasonable statement. On recent form Scott has been on par with Kris and that's the best we've seen Scott play since joining the Raiders. When you average out both their performances Kris is well ahead IMO. I reckon Scott is getting some grace from Sticky due to his disrupted 2020. That grace will only go so far though. Scott needs to set up a notch.
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Canberra Milk wrote: April 13, 2021, 4:55 pm It's simple as this: Sticky thinks Whitehead is a reasonable centre option. And he won't change his mind easily.

He bought Scott for a reason, to be starting centre, he won't change his mind easily

He thinks he needs 4 middles on bench, he won't change his mind easily

He thinks the two Coreys have to wait weeks and weeks before they can come back, and won't change his mind easily

There's a pattern here...
Thing is we had a back on the bench for 10 of the first 11 rounds last season, up until Bateman came back and we signed CHN, whereby from then on Bateman was the back up outside back. It served us well, our bench seemed balanced. For the vast majority of the season, we had a spare player in the 17 very capable of playing in the 2-5.

Now the game is supposedly even faster, with the threat of injuries and HIA's just as real, yet he's largely refusing to pick one. Just puzzling really.
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The Cory's should start looking for other clubs...
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Specialist to decide how long Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad is out









Canberra Raiders fullback Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad will see a specialist to determine how long he'll be out with a neck injury after the Green Machine ruled him out indefinitely on Tuesday.

But in good news, co-captain Josh Hodgson (hip) has been cleared to face the Eels, while centre Curtis Scott was named after missing two games with broken ribs.

Raiders squad: 1. Caleb Aekins, 2. Bailey Simonsson, 3. Jarrod Croker (c), 4. Curtis Scott, 5. Jordan Rapana, 6. Jack Wighton, 7. George Williams, 8. Josh Papalii, 9. Josh Hodgson (c), 10. Sia Soliola, 11. Hudson Young, 12. Elliott Whitehead, 13. Joe Tapine. Interchange: 14. Tom Starling, 15. Ryan Sutton, 16. Siliva Havili, 17. Emre Guler. Reserves: 18. Sebastian Kris, 19. Matt Frawley, 20. Corey Harawira-Naera, 21. Dunamis Lui.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

Inaugural Canberra Raider Peter McGrath to sound the Viking Horn on Saturday, he scored the first ever points for the Raiders: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2021/04 ... rs-v-eels/
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Looking at this side is why we won’t win a premiership under Ricky. He does not learn from his mistakes. We have also weakened the side by removing Kris as well


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I'm Rickys biggest fan but his team selection this year has been ordinary to say the least. He bangs on about competition for spots but it's only the forwards who get dropped for not performing.
Croker has been ordinary and Rapana hasn't been far behind..Simmo is basically a ghost on the field.
Soliola and Havilli getting gigs over CHN, Guler and Horse? Really?
Then he goes and drops one of our best players In Kris ?? What's the point in having all this depth and not dropping players who are out of form?
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Raiders666 wrote:I'm Rickys biggest fan but his team selection this year has been ordinary to say the least. He bangs on about competition for spots but it's only the forwards who get dropped for not performing.
Croker has been ordinary and Rapana hasn't been far behind..Simmo is basically a ghost on the field.
Soliola and Havilli getting gigs over CHN, Guler and Horse? Really?
Then he goes and drops one of our best players In Kris ?? What's the point in having all this depth and not dropping players who are out of form?
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The outside back situation is what it is. I think it's unfair on Kris but that's such a large issue it goes beyond the team selection. Let's just say I personally believe our outside backs are largely unsuited to how the game is currently reffed

But the two issues that stand out for me is Sia keeping out younger guys. We don't know what stick communicates with the players and maybe there is a plan and Sia has been an excellent servant to the club who I cannot say a bad word about and I'd love to see him stay on in some capacity post retirement. However this is a cut throat sport and tough calls have to be made. I hope stick is keeping that in mind

The Havili one kinda annoys me. The guy is a goer and works hard but CHN is a better edge forward, hors is a better middle forward and starling a better hooker. I would contend that CHN and hors could do a job in the middle and edge respectively in the case of injury so what he has over them is being able to play 9

But we already have a 9 on the bench

Anyways I just wish we had more punch
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We look so tired after 30 mins of each game...Surely...Surely some fresh troops are just what we need.
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Raiders666 wrote: April 13, 2021, 5:28 pm We look so tired after 30 mins of each game...Surely...Surely some fresh troops are just what we need.
Well that's another thing innit

We looked so old against Penrith. It really showed the average age of the squad
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Rick is having an absolute giggle.

Kris - don’t drop him, don’t put him on the bench, don’t make him start as an edge back rower when he’s played centre all his life.

Put the #3 or #4 on his back and tell him he’s got the job. Reward him for seriously over performing in a backline full of under performers. It would also be a far better message to convey to the other young players trying to break into our first grade team - “give it your all, take your chance, and I’ll pick you on form”.

I don’t care which of our witches hat three-quarters he would have to drop to do it, but to not name Kris in there is stubborn blindness. What an arrogant p-Rick
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It is quite annoying that we actually have the personnel to freshen things up and also potentially give us a little more balance and dynamism (especially in the case of CHN) but we are going to keep sticking to the conservative, middle heavy Dad's Army.

Kris > Croker
Hors > Sia
CHN > Havili
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Pete Cash wrote: April 13, 2021, 5:30 pm
Raiders666 wrote: April 13, 2021, 5:28 pm We look so tired after 30 mins of each game...Surely...Surely some fresh troops are just what we need.
Well that's another thing innit

We looked so old against Penrith. It really showed the average age of the squad
We have looked slow and unfit all year to be honest...We are gassed after 30 mins of every game
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Look forward to Soliolas 8min of impact again..
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Mickey_Raider wrote: April 13, 2021, 5:32 pm Kris > Croker
Hors > Sia
CHN > Havili
It's not even close to be fair
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It really reeks of choosing good blokes and not good footy players
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I'd be more confident if we were playing away, but the boys should be primed for this one.

I'd just like to see us get through the game with no injuries please.
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I just can't understand...He has rotated forwards in the past...Had a back on the bench. All of a sudden he can't or won't do it, especially now when its needed with the speed of the game 🤷‍♂️
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Crusader wrote: April 13, 2021, 5:01 pm I Think Dylan Brown is a bigger loss for Parra then CNK is for Canberra.
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I find Dylan Brown to be inconsistent, and even on his best day he isn't going to rip you apart.

Cnk on the other hand is pretty much a top 5 defensive fullback week in and week out. His work in attack can be up and down, but he has a very strong baseline of performance.
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Looks like the fans are unhappy with the team.

I have to say I really don't like Havilii and Starling on the same bench. Havilii plays if we want a hooker/forward utility. That's fine he's good at that, that's his role.

But his role makes no sense if we also have a very good hooker on the bench. In that case, we have middles better at middling than Havilii, Starling better at hooking already on the bench so it'd make sense to choose a back utility. Since we have lost 2 games through losing backs to injury already. **** Ricky? Kris can cover a back injury or backrow in a pinch. Why not select him?

It's not like Havilii has made himself undroppable. He does what he does but he only made 4 runs in 57 mins last week... not exactly grabbing the game by the scruff.

Leaving CHN out is starting to look stupid. He's a rep quality player, he's done his time. Maybe RIcky is looking to trade him.

Sia should be in reggies, coming in at origin period or for injury as Mr Reliable backup. Not quite enough gallop left in him. The days of him being needed as pack leader are gone. Papa and Taps have stepped up. Whitehead and Young are bankers. Time for Sia to step back, a job well done.
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Roger Kenworthy wrote: April 13, 2021, 5:40 pm
Crusader wrote: April 13, 2021, 5:01 pm I Think Dylan Brown is a bigger loss for Parra then CNK is for Canberra.
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I find Dylan Brown to be inconsistent, and even on his best day he isn't going to rip you apart.

Cnk on the other hand is pretty much a top 5 defensive fullback week in and week out. His work in attack can be up and down, but he has a very strong baseline of performance.
Was about to launch into a wholehearted defence of Nathan Brown- ripper player. All my Parra fan mates/in laws rate him very, very highly. Then I saw Dylan Brown out. Meh.
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CNK way bigger loss than Brown for Parra. Brown only get pumped up by Joey Johns and the Sydney media. He has done nothing.

Agree with views of Roger, Raiders666,radicalraider,Pete Cash, Last Raider, benda, alphabet - this team selection is ludicrous. I'm now concerned it's going to be a 2017-18 year as opposed to 2016/2019/20.

We are not doing ourselves any favour by this side. Kris is a FG and out of the top 5, has had the most impact. I really hope Ricky changes his team selection.
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