2021 Rd 5 V Panthers: Game Day

[Bigcheese]

Some of you have lost the plot! I thought we were going ok until CNK left the field. We may not have won but there would’ve only been a try or two difference.

As far as I can make out reading back a few pages:

Rapana is too old and dumb.
Simmo is a ghost.
Croker is a nice guy but is also too old.
Kris must be in the team.
Wighton does nothing to influence a game.
Williams is at Sezers level and is our weakness.
Soliola has past it.
Young isn’t an edge.
Whitehead shouldn’t chat to the media.
We aren’t contenders and have too many plodders.
We’ll never win a premiership with Ricky as coach.
Our bench selections were poor.

Did I miss anything? Please add if I did.

I agree with some of those points but others are way over the top. I think Croker and Soliola are done and our bench needs more thought. Other than that we’re going ok.

[Rickmando]

Ricky isn't going anywhere lol

No, and in a way, that’s the biggest issue of them all.

He caps our ceiling

If he goes half the team does...Players want him as coach..They love the bloke

They don’t need a mate.

Show me the evidence of what coaching of rugby league systems Rick is good at.

- Attack is constantly disjointed
- Last tackle options are generally poor
- very few overlaps generated
- players often look like they don’t know their role
- No composure or game management, or signs of situation-specific game plan (remember we couldn’t even set up for, let alone kick, a field goal for 3 or 4 years)
- bench and interchange management has never been mastered

He’s had 7 years to show improvement in any of the above areas. Yet here we are still running around like it’s 2014 and Blake Austin’s anoos is on fire

[GreenMachine]

We were on top with our best 17.
They got on top when we lost our fullback and had to shuffle things.

I really think this sort of take is overly emotional
I agree we're not quite on their level but we're not that far off.

Rubbish.
They made early errors and we were on top. We failed to take advantage (Croker bombing one)...
Then they cleaned up their errors and the true gap between the teams showed.

Both sides made errors
Both were not at their peak. We were clearly on top imo... the gap appeared immediately after CNK left. Our reshuffle was never going to stand up

If your out here trying to tell me that CNK was the key to beating them tonight then I have a bridge in the centre of Sydney I’m willing to sell to you...

if you dont understand how losing a fullback, as limited as he may be, fundimentially impacts the game, without even contemplating the reshuffle that takes place to cover that loss... sorry mate, i mean this to be as respectful as i can be. But you're not understanding the game of football today.

I understand the game enough to know we’re handicapping ourselves with our piss poor bench selections and the Cadbury favourites that get picked every week who are clearly behind their best days in green...

This alone puts us well behind Penrith.

It’s not losing a fullback on game day...
If our coach ‘coached’ he’d look at the bench and see two spare hookers...

Then he’d make Wighton play fullback and switch Hodgson to the halves...

But hey, even when the solution is staring him in the face he doesn’t compute..

Then you sit thinking it was all down to losing CNK on the night.

Please stop. I had you down as far more intelligent than most!

Penrith are another tier ahead of us because they realise it’s a young mans power game...not a dad’s army slow motion crash ball grind fest...

[Mercury]

How good is Luai......I know Cleary takes the glamour, but he is an awesome talent

Easily the most punchable face in the NRL.
Can’t stand the little ****..

Both Ivan and Nathan Cleary have the most punchable face by the length of the Flemington straight.

Correct 100%

[Raider47]

Williams needs to play much straighter and much more direct.

He’s consistently running sideways to either turn the ball back into a forward or try and hit a wide runner.

I’d also like to see Jack play slow sometimes. Hold the ball in two hands with a runner either side.

He does but that type of occurrence is a ramification of having an un structured attack other than one out hit ups.

[-TW-]

How good is Luai......I know Cleary takes the glamour, but he is an awesome talent

Easily the most punchable face in the NRL.
Can’t stand the little ****..

Both Ivan and Nathan Cleary have the most punchable face by the length of the Flemington straight.

Could punch his chin from Flemington

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[Green Taipan]

We all know it....
We don't want to admit it...
It's becoming obvious game after game..
Year after year....
The game has changed not for our style...
We dont have enough strike..
THE PREMIERSHIP WINDOW IS SHUT...
* REBUILD RICKY OR REBUILD WITHOUT RICKY*

I reckon you are looking way too much into this loss. Yes it was a comprehensive loss - not good enough. I am seriously not that concerned considering the circumstances - looking for a slow build to the finals. The halves will adapt, we have the forwards. A looooong way to go and we have the cattle. Lots of work but I'm still confident. Not a lot went our way tonight agains the top team at a sell out at Penrith Park.

We don't have the coach, he is coaching as if the game was being played the same as when he was a player. He is too dogmatic to change!

[GreenMachine]

How good is Luai......I know Cleary takes the glamour, but he is an awesome talent

Easily the most punchable face in the NRL.
Can’t stand the little ****..

Both Ivan and Nathan Cleary have the most punchable face by the length of the Flemington straight.

Could punch his chin from Flemington

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[afgtnk]

Some of you have lost the plot! I thought we were going ok until CNK left the field. We may not have won but there would’ve only been a try or two difference.

As far as I can make out reading back a few pages:

Rapana is too old and dumb.
Simmo is a ghost.
Croker is a nice guy but is also too old.
Kris must be in the team.
Wighton does nothing to influence a game.
Williams is at Sezers level and is our weakness.
Soliola has past it.
Young isn’t an edge.
Whitehead shouldn’t chat to the media.
We aren’t contenders and have too many plodders.
We’ll never win a premiership with Ricky as coach.
Our bench selections were poor.

Did I miss anything? Please add if I did.

I agree with some of those points but others are way over the top. I think Croker and Soliola are done and our bench needs more thought. Other than that we’re going ok.

I don't think that bolded part belongs with the rest there cheese.

[Raiders666]

Ricky isn't going anywhere lol

No, and in a way, that’s the biggest issue of them all.

He caps our ceiling

If he goes half the team does...Players want him as coach..They love the bloke

They don’t need a mate.

Show me the evidence of what coaching of rugby league systems Rick is good at.

- Attack is constantly disjointed
- Last tackle options are generally poor
- very few overlaps generated
- players often look like they don’t know their role
- No composure or game management, or signs of situation-specific game plan (remember we couldn’t even set up for, let alone kick, a field goal for 3 or 4 years)
- bench and interchange management has never been mastered

He’s had 7 years to show improvement in any of the above areas. Yet here we are still running around like it’s 2014 and Blake Austin’s anoos is on fire

3 prelims and a GF in the last 5 years

[Rickmando]

Ricky isn't going anywhere lol

No, and in a way, that’s the biggest issue of them all.

He caps our ceiling

If he goes half the team does...Players want him as coach..They love the bloke

They don’t need a mate.

Show me the evidence of what coaching of rugby league systems Rick is good at.

- Attack is constantly disjointed
- Last tackle options are generally poor
- very few overlaps generated
- players often look like they don’t know their role
- No composure or game management, or signs of situation-specific game plan (remember we couldn’t even set up for, let alone kick, a field goal for 3 or 4 years)
- bench and interchange management has never been mastered

He’s had 7 years to show improvement in any of the above areas. Yet here we are still running around like it’s 2014 and Blake Austin’s anoos is on fire

3 prelims and a GF in the last 5 years

That’s great. Were you also the type of kid thrilled to win a participation award??

[zim]

Ricky isn't going anywhere lol

No, and in a way, that’s the biggest issue of them all.

He caps our ceiling

If he goes half the team does...Players want him as coach..They love the bloke

They don’t need a mate.

Show me the evidence of what coaching of rugby league systems Rick is good at.

- Attack is constantly disjointed
- Last tackle options are generally poor
- very few overlaps generated
- players often look like they don’t know their role
- No composure or game management, or signs of situation-specific game plan (remember we couldn’t even set up for, let alone kick, a field goal for 3 or 4 years)
- bench and interchange management has never been mastered

He’s had 7 years to show improvement in any of the above areas. Yet here we are still running around like it’s 2014 and Blake Austin’s anoos is on fire

3 prelims and a GF in the last 5 years

That's not improvement mate. Only coaches who win comps every 2 years are improvers. Some posters in here seem to be getting pretty emotional. Aren't able to look past it.

[Rickmando]

No, and in a way, that’s the biggest issue of them all.

He caps our ceiling

If he goes half the team does...Players want him as coach..They love the bloke

They don’t need a mate.

Show me the evidence of what coaching of rugby league systems Rick is good at.

- Attack is constantly disjointed
- Last tackle options are generally poor
- very few overlaps generated
- players often look like they don’t know their role
- No composure or game management, or signs of situation-specific game plan (remember we couldn’t even set up for, let alone kick, a field goal for 3 or 4 years)
- bench and interchange management has never been mastered

He’s had 7 years to show improvement in any of the above areas. Yet here we are still running around like it’s 2014 and Blake Austin’s anoos is on fire

3 prelims and a GF in the last 5 years

That’s great. Were you also the type of kid thrilled to win a participation award??

We really should chase up the NRL to get them to send us through that big trophy for finishing 2nd in 2019!

[Raiders666]

No, and in a way, that’s the biggest issue of them all.

He caps our ceiling

If he goes half the team does...Players want him as coach..They love the bloke

They don’t need a mate.

Show me the evidence of what coaching of rugby league systems Rick is good at.

- Attack is constantly disjointed
- Last tackle options are generally poor
- very few overlaps generated
- players often look like they don’t know their role
- No composure or game management, or signs of situation-specific game plan (remember we couldn’t even set up for, let alone kick, a field goal for 3 or 4 years)
- bench and interchange management has never been mastered

He’s had 7 years to show improvement in any of the above areas. Yet here we are still running around like it’s 2014 and Blake Austin’s anoos is on fire

3 prelims and a GF in the last 5 years

That’s great. Were you also the type of kid thrilled to win a participation award??

Its a **** load better than any other coach we have had since Tim Sheens

[Begbie]

How good is Luai......I know Cleary takes the glamour, but he is an awesome talent

Easily the most punchable face in the NRL.
Can’t stand the little ****..

Both Ivan and Nathan Cleary have the most punchable face by the length of the Flemington straight.

Could punch his chin from Flemington

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I doff my hat.

[Raiders666]

If he goes half the team does...Players want him as coach..They love the bloke

They don’t need a mate.

Show me the evidence of what coaching of rugby league systems Rick is good at.

- Attack is constantly disjointed
- Last tackle options are generally poor
- very few overlaps generated
- players often look like they don’t know their role
- No composure or game management, or signs of situation-specific game plan (remember we couldn’t even set up for, let alone kick, a field goal for 3 or 4 years)
- bench and interchange management has never been mastered

He’s had 7 years to show improvement in any of the above areas. Yet here we are still running around like it’s 2014 and Blake Austin’s anoos is on fire

3 prelims and a GF in the last 5 years

That’s great. Were you also the type of kid thrilled to win a participation award??

We really should chase up the NRL to get them to send us through that big trophy for finishing 2nd in 2019!

Mate you have always had it in for the coach...Just strange because this is easily the best we have been since 1996

[Rickmando]

If he goes half the team does...Players want him as coach..They love the bloke

They don’t need a mate.

Show me the evidence of what coaching of rugby league systems Rick is good at.

- Attack is constantly disjointed
- Last tackle options are generally poor
- very few overlaps generated
- players often look like they don’t know their role
- No composure or game management, or signs of situation-specific game plan (remember we couldn’t even set up for, let alone kick, a field goal for 3 or 4 years)
- bench and interchange management has never been mastered

He’s had 7 years to show improvement in any of the above areas. Yet here we are still running around like it’s 2014 and Blake Austin’s anoos is on fire

3 prelims and a GF in the last 5 years

That’s great. Were you also the type of kid thrilled to win a participation award??

Its a **** load better than any other coach we have had since Tim Sheens

Every coach we’ve had since Sheens - they’ve all delivered exactly the same amount of Raiders premierships - Zero.

Rick has had more goes than all of them

[hobbsy]

Everyone realises Penrith are really, really good yeah?

This forum is an interesting place

No doubt, but we were pretty **** **** too

We've set a high standard now, we need to live up to it

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No doubt. Its early in the season and we played poor.

We can and will do better. But no need for some of the over reactions here.

[Raiders_Pat]

Ok, I'm eating humble pie tonight. I honestly thought we'd come up with a win but we aren't quite there yet. It would have been handy to have Harawira-Naera on the interchange for either Havili or Starling tonight. I'm hoping he's in the team next weekend.

[Botman]

|I understand the game enough to know we’re handicapping ourselves with our piss poor bench selections and the Cadbury favourites that get picked every week who are clearly behind their best days in green...

This alone puts us well behind Penrith.

It’s not losing a fullback on game day...
If our coach ‘coached’ he’d look at the bench and see two spare hookers...

Then he’d make Wighton play fullback and switch Hodgson to the halves...

But hey, even when the solution is staring him in the face he doesn’t compute..

Then you sit thinking it was all down to losing CNK on the night.

Please stop. I had you down as far more intelligent than most!

Penrith are another tier ahead of us because they realise it’s a young mans power game...not a dad’s army slow motion crash ball grind fest...

You can argue about what is the best move to make once CNK goes off, but Hodgson cant defend in the halves, cant do it. Just not athletic enough.
Wighton at fullback is fun because he's done that before but he's a long way from that, i dont think there is any reason to think he'd cope with the workrate of that position any better than raps these days.

I actually dont disagree that wighton to fullback, hodgson to the halves and live and die by that was the option BUT we still dont win that game.

Point is we can debate the best solution to the problem and maybe Stuart didnt get it right. Id have to think about it myself to really come to a solid opinion but the reality is none of these solutions win us this footy game over the panthers. We could have put the perfect contingency in place and we'd have still lost because we're not beating them with any reshuffle.

[exrefhollywood]

Timoko, Harley Smith shields(he is injured) valeme... we need to bring in these guys out wide.....whitehead too,has been lazy and unfit...smokes too much with rapana

[Begbie]

We all know it....
We don't want to admit it...
It's becoming obvious game after game..
Year after year....
The game has changed not for our style...
We dont have enough strike..
THE PREMIERSHIP WINDOW IS SHUT...
* REBUILD RICKY OR REBUILD WITHOUT RICKY*

I reckon you are looking way too much into this loss. Yes it was a comprehensive loss - not good enough. I am seriously not that concerned considering the circumstances - looking for a slow build to the finals. The halves will adapt, we have the forwards. A looooong way to go and we have the cattle. Lots of work but I'm still confident. Not a lot went our way tonight agains the top team at a sell out at Penrith Park.

We don't have the coach, he is coaching as if the game was being player the same as when he was a player. He is too dogmatic to change!

Yes but the game was just as different two years ago when we almost won the gf. He adapted then, and will adapt now. This is the right time to be having this conversation - a slow build to September. We wont even remember this game in 6 months. Can you imagine a Storm Raiders GF in September?

[GreenMachine]

Everyone realises Penrith are really, really good yeah?

This forum is an interesting place

No doubt, but we were pretty **** **** too

We've set a high standard now, we need to live up to it

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No doubt. Its early in the season and we played poor.

We can and will do better. But no need for some of the over reactions here.

Yeah explain how?
I don’t want to hear we’ll still
Make the 8 ...we could sleep through the season and make the top 6...
How are we going to get better when the coach can’t make tough calls about personnel?

[exrefhollywood]

|I understand the game enough to know we’re handicapping ourselves with our piss poor bench selections and the Cadbury favourites that get picked every week who are clearly behind their best days in green...

This alone puts us well behind Penrith.

It’s not losing a fullback on game day...
If our coach ‘coached’ he’d look at the bench and see two spare hookers...

Then he’d make Wighton play fullback and switch Hodgson to the halves...

But hey, even when the solution is staring him in the face he doesn’t compute..

Then you sit thinking it was all down to losing CNK on the night.

Please stop. I had you down as far more intelligent than most!

Penrith are another tier ahead of us because they realise it’s a young mans power game...not a dad’s army slow motion crash ball grind fest...

You can argue about what is the best move to make once CNK goes off, but Hodgson cant defend in the halves, cant do it. Just not athletic enough.
Wighton at fullback is fun because he's done that before but he's a long way from that, i dont think there is any reason to think he'd cope with the workrate of that position any better than raps these days.

I actually dont disagree that wighton to fullback, hodgson to the halves and live and die by that was the option BUT we still dont win that game.

Point is we can debate the best solution to the problem and maybe Stuart didnt get it right. Id have to think about it myself to really come to a solid opinion but the reality is none of these solutions win us this footy game over the panthers. We could have put the perfect contingency in place and we'd have still lost because we're not beating them with any reshuffle.

Injuries or not....we again didn’t capitalise on,our opportunities like the good teams do.... hence why we didn’t beat the rooster in the gf

[exrefhollywood]

WAKE UP SUPPORTERS.......

[Dimes]

6 again stats

Panthers 6 - Raiders 3

[Postman Pat]

This place has completely melted down after a loss, what a surprise.

The Panthers need some credit here, they are a bloody good football team.

[Botman]

]\Injuries or not....we again didn’t capitalise on,our opportunities like the good teams do.... hence why we didn’t beat the rooster in the gf

I think the general vibe of this is correct but also, i have a lot of thoughts about THAT game

[zim]

We got to that Grand Final pretty easily too if I remember correctly. Didn't have to worry about taking any opportunities.

[Raiders666]

I've heard enough...Sack Ricky!

[GreenMachine]

|I understand the game enough to know we’re handicapping ourselves with our piss poor bench selections and the Cadbury favourites that get picked every week who are clearly behind their best days in green...

This alone puts us well behind Penrith.

It’s not losing a fullback on game day...
If our coach ‘coached’ he’d look at the bench and see two spare hookers...

Then he’d make Wighton play fullback and switch Hodgson to the halves...

But hey, even when the solution is staring him in the face he doesn’t compute..

Then you sit thinking it was all down to losing CNK on the night.

Please stop. I had you down as far more intelligent than most!

Penrith are another tier ahead of us because they realise it’s a young mans power game...not a dad’s army slow motion crash ball grind fest...

You can argue about what is the best move to make once CNK goes off, but Hodgson cant defend in the halves, cant do it. Just not athletic enough.
Wighton at fullback is fun because he's done that before but he's a long way from that, i dont think there is any reason to think he'd cope with the workrate of that position any better than raps these days.

I actually dont disagree that wighton to fullback, hodgson to the halves and live and die by that was the option BUT we still dont win that game.

Point is we can debate the best solution to the problem and maybe Stuart didnt get it right. Id have to think about it myself to really come to a solid opinion but the reality is none of these solutions win us this footy game over the panthers. We could have put the perfect contingency in place and we'd have still lost because we're not beating them with any reshuffle.

Yeah I agree...it’s all hypocritical, but Rapana to fullback was never the solution.
My point is that we turned up full strength today, and even if we remained full strength, nothing in our play from the last 4 weeks was leading me to believe we were winning tonight.
We MIGHT have made it closer, but our coaches team selections are handicapping us...add to that our inept clunky attack and we’re not getting near Penrith.

Only saving grace is that we’ve seen where we’re lacking early in the season and there is plenty of time to rectify it, if the coach has the guts to do it...

[hobbsy]

Everyone realises Penrith are really, really good yeah?

This forum is an interesting place

No doubt, but we were pretty **** **** too

We've set a high standard now, we need to live up to it

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No doubt. Its early in the season and we played poor.

We can and will do better. But no need for some of the over reactions here.

Yeah explain how?
I don’t want to hear we’ll still
Make the 8 ...we could sleep through the season and make the top 6...
How are we going to get better when the coach can’t make tough calls about personnel?

Sure. I don't think personnel or coaching were the problem tonight.

We saw some poor errors from people like G Williams, Hodgo, Whitehead and an out of position Rapa which all lead to throwing away field position/points. I think its clear these guys can and will do better from what we have seen them do before today.

Jack hasn't hit his straps properly this season. The reigning Dally M and a Clive Churchill winner, so its not like he hasn't got the talent, he just hasn't been quite there. He will though.

Thats how we will get better. When all these players are hitting their form we will be very, very hard to stop. And in doing so we will limit opportunities for the opposition in their attack, allowing our high energy effort in defence to dominate teams.

Ya know what I've convinced myself here, **** it we will win this comp.

[Begbie]

Prince Phillip Died.

[GreenMachine]

Everyone realises Penrith are really, really good yeah?

This forum is an interesting place

No doubt, but we were pretty **** **** too

We've set a high standard now, we need to live up to it

Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk

No doubt. Its early in the season and we played poor.

We can and will do better. But no need for some of the over reactions here.

Yeah explain how?
I don’t want to hear we’ll still
Make the 8 ...we could sleep through the season and make the top 6...
How are we going to get better when the coach can’t make tough calls about personnel?

Sure. I don't think personnel or coaching were the problem tonight.

We saw some poor errors from people like G Williams, Hodgo, Whitehead and an out of position Rapa which all lead to throwing away field position/points. I think its clear these guys can and will do better from what we have seen them do before today.

Jack hasn't hit his straps properly this season. The reigning Dally M and a Clive Churchill winner, so its not like he hasn't got the talent, he just hasn't been quite there. He will though.

Thats how we will get better. When all these players are hitting their form we will be very, very hard to stop. And in doing so we will limit opportunities for the opposition in their attack, allowing our high energy effort in defence to dominate teams.

Ya know what I've convinced myself here, **** it we will win this comp.

I love your enthusiasm and I tipped us to win the comp to (surprise huh)..
But we aren’t winning **** with some of the personnel choices...
It wasn’t about errors...we make errors every game, but most teams aren’t good enough to punish us...Penrith are.

Hell...they made errors too and we weren’t good enough to take complete advantage...the rest is history.

[hobbsy]

No doubt, but we were pretty **** **** too

We've set a high standard now, we need to live up to it

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No doubt. Its early in the season and we played poor.

We can and will do better. But no need for some of the over reactions here.

Yeah explain how?
I don’t want to hear we’ll still
Make the 8 ...we could sleep through the season and make the top 6...
How are we going to get better when the coach can’t make tough calls about personnel?

Sure. I don't think personnel or coaching were the problem tonight.

We saw some poor errors from people like G Williams, Hodgo, Whitehead and an out of position Rapa which all lead to throwing away field position/points. I think its clear these guys can and will do better from what we have seen them do before today.

Jack hasn't hit his straps properly this season. The reigning Dally M and a Clive Churchill winner, so its not like he hasn't got the talent, he just hasn't been quite there. He will though.

Thats how we will get better. When all these players are hitting their form we will be very, very hard to stop. And in doing so we will limit opportunities for the opposition in their attack, allowing our high energy effort in defence to dominate teams.

Ya know what I've convinced myself here, **** it we will win this comp.

I love your enthusiasm and I tipped us to win the comp to (surprise huh)..
But we aren’t winning **** with some of the personnel choices...
It wasn’t about errors...we make errors every game, but most teams aren’t good enough to punish us...Penrith are.

Hell...they made errors too and we weren’t good enough to take complete advantage...the rest is history.

If the grand final was tomorrow I would 100% agree.

But its a looong season and we ain't seen nothing yet