2021 Rd 3 V Warriors: Game Day

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
3
33%
Raiders 1-12
5
56%
Draw
0
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Warriors 1-12
1
11%
Warriors 13+
0
No votes
 
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The Warriors are the nrl darlings.
Do not think there is any official "give them the rub of the green" but it is a subconscious thing.
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Warriors loss to stand Canberra Raiders in good stead

They might have missed out on the win, but Jarrod Croker says the Canberra Raiders' gutsy effort against the New Zealand Warriors could pay off later in the season.

"We can build off that. We won't lose any confidence. We're disappointed as well, but there's a lot of positives to take out of the loss. Looking back on it I think we can certainly build on it."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

Curtis Scott shows pure guts without any needle for tickled ribs



Curtis Scott played 76 minutes with suspected broken ribs and without a pain-killing injection. He could be out for an extended time if he has fractured a floating rib.

"That was as courageous an effort as I've seen from Scotty. They couldn't even give him any pain killers or anything, so he played the whole game with it. That's the sort of effort that makes you proud of the green jersey," Jarrod Croker said.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

GALLERY: Raiders v Warriors: https://www.gettyimages.com.au/photos/2 ... st#license
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gangrenous wrote: March 28, 2021, 4:47 pm
GreenMachine wrote:
gangrenous wrote: March 28, 2021, 4:35 pm I didn’t see it but didn’t they lose all 4 by half time?

If that’s right, I wouldn’t be quibbling.
It isn't the same...
14 players for 67 minutes is rare as hell...just doesn't happen often.
Remind me when it became unfashionable not to admit that the ref was really **** yesterday and was more than likely a major contributor to the result.
Somewhere it's gone overboard here where the slightest criticism of the ref means we're just just bad losers.
Well we’ll have to agree to disagree because I think 13 for 40 mins is not worlds away from 14 for 67 mins, and that you’d agree if you hadn’t backed yourself into a corner.

The ref stuff is beside the point. I’ve said my piece on the ref already. But it’s only because the Raiders are significantly better than the Warriors that the ref was even able to come into that. In a more evenly matched game Raiders were sunk regardless. The injuries had a far greater impact on the score than the ref.
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You can creative write all you like - the fact is the scenario (14 men for 67 minutes) is rare and doesn't call for an 18th, 19th (or whatever number of increased bench), only to be exploited down the track.

But I digress...If the NRL had balls, they would have dealt with the root cause of all these rule changes (the wrestling) from the start and we would never be in this ridiculous situation where were playing glorified touch football (6 gain at the discretion of a peanut in the middle with no feel for the game)...and now, you cannot even tactically kick to corners to pull the lever the other way when the moment calls for it...

It's as if the only solution to reducing the 'slow down of play' caused largely by wrestling, was to attack all legitimate fabrics of the game (in this case the tactical kicks to take the speed off the game).

The same crap happened with the 7th tackle set ...which is now beyond ridiculous as you basically get one for anything! Instead of awarding it for kicks that were made to deliberately put the ball out of play from your own half and diminish the running game of the opposing fullback. Reactionary rule making at it's finest.

So forgive me for not wanting a bar of any further tinkering of the rules, to simply appease the gnat minded simpletons who can't appreciate anything other than a super Rugby type scoreline...which if were not careful, is where the game is headed.
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gangrenous wrote: March 28, 2021, 4:31 pm Didn’t I hear something similar happened to the Sharks also in the very same weekend.

No point delving into the years of history since the game is faster in the last couple of years (making lost players more critical), possibly more injuries happening, and changes to rules that mean players who would have come back in years past don’t (HIA).

So saying it’s rare is simply not being aware to the current circumstances and responding appropriately before **** hits the fan again and again (also known as the ScoMo approach).
Correct, also if you accept there is a CTE class action coming one day soon, putting in measures like this in place will help go to show the code has acted in good faith with information they knew at the time to minimize the impacts of CTE

be it an 18th man or extending the bench, the code will have to address this soon
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1992 wrote: March 28, 2021, 5:25 pm The Warriors are the nrl darlings.
Do not think there is any official "give them the rub of the green" but it is a subconscious thing.
It's funny.. Their fans have been complaining about the ref on Saturday as much as our fans. CNK foot into touch...RTS tackle in mid air and Hodgons flat pass to Sutton.
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greeneyed wrote: March 28, 2021, 5:27 pm Curtis Scott shows pure guts without any needle for tickled ribs

Curtis Scott played 76 minutes with suspected broken ribs and without a pain-killing injection. He could be out for an extended time if he has fractured a floating rib.

"That was as courageous an effort as I've seen from Scotty. They couldn't even give him any pain killers or anything, so he played the whole game with it. That's the sort of effort that makes you proud of the green jersey," Jarrod Croker said.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

GALLERY: Raiders v Warriors: https://www.gettyimages.com.au/photos/2 ... st#license
He didn't take a needle?!!??! :o

That is absolutely gutsy. Or stupid. Funny how often those two words intersect. But holy heck, the absolute steel nerve to keep playing. Goddamn, I'm proud of how far he's come.
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Cant read the story, it's behind a paywall, but does the artcle say why he didnt get a shot?
I assume it's something about the injury and getting painkillers not being safe for that type of injury
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Botman wrote: March 28, 2021, 6:17 pm Cant read the story, it's behind a paywall, but does the artcle say why he didnt get a shot?
I assume it's something about the injury and getting painkillers not being safe for that type of injury
You can’t get one for that injury.
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greeneyed wrote: March 28, 2021, 7:01 pm
Botman wrote: March 28, 2021, 6:17 pm Cant read the story, it's behind a paywall, but does the artcle say why he didnt get a shot?
I assume it's something about the injury and getting painkillers not being safe for that type of injury
You can’t get one for that injury.
Thanks.
Thought it would be something like that

I know Scott is not well regarded by some, but that sort of effort should at least earn some grudging respect back from those fans. You could tell tough it was for him with how he defended. Any time the ball came to his side he was pushing through pain to sprint up and try to force the ball back inside, and for the most part it worked... but there is no hiding on the goal line, and unfortunately Havilii isnt physically up to defending in a way that he was able to help protect Scott.

I think in hindsight, we have be better off putting Whitehead over with Scott, and Havilii with Croker... at least then maybe between Wighton and Croker they could help cover for Havilii and Whitehead's experience and mobility might have helped to better protect Scott.
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Botman wrote: March 28, 2021, 7:12 pm
greeneyed wrote: March 28, 2021, 7:01 pm
Botman wrote: March 28, 2021, 6:17 pm Cant read the story, it's behind a paywall, but does the artcle say why he didnt get a shot?
I assume it's something about the injury and getting painkillers not being safe for that type of injury
You can’t get one for that injury.
Thanks.
Thought it would be something like that

I know Scott is not well regarded by some, but that sort of effort should at least earn some grudging respect back from those fans. You could tell tough it was for him with how he defended. Any time the ball came to his side he was pushing through pain to sprint up and try to force the ball back inside, and for the most part it worked... but there is no hiding on the goal line, and unfortunately Havilii isnt physically up to defending in a way that he was able to help protect Scott.

I think in hindsight, we have be better off putting Whitehead over with Scott, and Havilii with Croker... at least then maybe between Wighton and Croker they could help cover for Havilii and Whitehead's experience and mobility might have helped to better protect Scott.
I wondered something similar, RTS kept running at Williams (I thought) but maybe it was that George was the only effective defender on that edge and he was getting there. After wathcing the tape, it seems to me that we should have been making more bench changes earlier - or possibly it's hard to tell quite how fast a team hits the wall with these new rules.

It also seemed that Perenara wasn't as hopeless with his six-agains as he looked on the day, but he was still woeful on at least two blatant forward passes. Warriors may have got there anyway.

And finally, I'm in favour of two concussion substitutes, who only make it on after a player is ruled out for the game. Any more than that is just silly. It would be hard to rort given that it is doctors making the decision, and as I think we've established even the club doctors aren't going to bend in favour of putting a player in danger, despite what clowns like James Hooper think. If you get more than two concussions, well, that's attrition. And the reason you treat concussion differently from a broken leg or broken ribs, is that with concussion the player doesn't get any choice.

Mind you if we'd had one concussion sub, Scott wouldn't have had to play on and the Warriors might have found their last two tries a little harder to score.
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greeneyed wrote: March 28, 2021, 5:09 pm The Raiders were shot, and the Warriors were only running through them because they were shot. The Warriors only won because the referee incorrectly awarded a try to the Warriors on one of those occasions, after throwing a blatant forward pass, that the referee was right there to see!
Not to mention their first try to AFB was after a 6 again when Perenara assumed that Rapana had touched the ball on the last tackle when Hiku simply threw the ball out the back (noting that Egan previously threw a pass 2 metres forward in that set).

Scott was clutching at his ribs after that try, 6 minutes into the game.

It just wasn't our day.
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I’ll just put this here.

I noticed a number on the sleeve of the “warm up tee” on Saturday.

The players number is on the chest but there’s a number on the sleeve of the shirt.

What’s that all about ?
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Seiffert82 wrote: March 28, 2021, 11:55 pm
greeneyed wrote: March 28, 2021, 5:09 pm The Raiders were shot, and the Warriors were only running through them because they were shot. The Warriors only won because the referee incorrectly awarded a try to the Warriors on one of those occasions, after throwing a blatant forward pass, that the referee was right there to see!
Not to mention their first try to AFB was after a 6 again when Perenara assumed that Rapana had touched the ball on the last tackle when Hiku simply threw the ball out the back (noting that Egan previously threw a pass 2 metres forward in that set).

Scott was clutching at his ribs after that try, 6 minutes into the game.

It just wasn't our day.
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-PJ- wrote: March 29, 2021, 6:07 am
Seiffert82 wrote: March 28, 2021, 11:55 pm
greeneyed wrote: March 28, 2021, 5:09 pm The Raiders were shot, and the Warriors were only running through them because they were shot. The Warriors only won because the referee incorrectly awarded a try to the Warriors on one of those occasions, after throwing a blatant forward pass, that the referee was right there to see!
Not to mention their first try to AFB was after a 6 again when Perenara assumed that Rapana had touched the ball on the last tackle when Hiku simply threw the ball out the back (noting that Egan previously threw a pass 2 metres forward in that set).

Scott was clutching at his ribs after that try, 6 minutes into the game.

It just wasn't our day.
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Lui_Bon wrote: March 28, 2021, 9:29 pm
Botman wrote: March 28, 2021, 7:12 pm
greeneyed wrote: March 28, 2021, 7:01 pm
Botman wrote: March 28, 2021, 6:17 pm Cant read the story, it's behind a paywall, but does the artcle say why he didnt get a shot?
I assume it's something about the injury and getting painkillers not being safe for that type of injury
You can’t get one for that injury.
Thanks.
Thought it would be something like that

I know Scott is not well regarded by some, but that sort of effort should at least earn some grudging respect back from those fans. You could tell tough it was for him with how he defended. Any time the ball came to his side he was pushing through pain to sprint up and try to force the ball back inside, and for the most part it worked... but there is no hiding on the goal line, and unfortunately Havilii isnt physically up to defending in a way that he was able to help protect Scott.

I think in hindsight, we have be better off putting Whitehead over with Scott, and Havilii with Croker... at least then maybe between Wighton and Croker they could help cover for Havilii and Whitehead's experience and mobility might have helped to better protect Scott.
I wondered something similar, RTS kept running at Williams (I thought) but maybe it was that George was the only effective defender on that edge and he was getting there. After wathcing the tape, it seems to me that we should have been making more bench changes earlier - or possibly it's hard to tell quite how fast a team hits the wall with these new rules.

It also seemed that Perenara wasn't as hopeless with his six-agains as he looked on the day, but he was still woeful on at least two blatant forward passes. Warriors may have got there anyway.

And finally, I'm in favour of two concussion substitutes, who only make it on after a player is ruled out for the game. Any more than that is just silly. It would be hard to rort given that it is doctors making the decision, and as I think we've established even the club doctors aren't going to bend in favour of putting a player in danger, despite what clowns like James Hooper think. If you get more than two concussions, well, that's attrition. And the reason you treat concussion differently from a broken leg or broken ribs, is that with concussion the player doesn't get any choice.

Mind you if we'd had one concussion sub, Scott wouldn't have had to play on and the Warriors might have found their last two tries a little harder to score.
id prefer it to just be an injury sub 18th man with subbed player to be ruled out until after the clubs next game. how people think teams will exploit it by bringing on a supersub thats not good enough to be in there top 17 is pretty funny. especially when they will be without one of their top 17 for their next game.
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How it gets exploited is simple and won’t be limited to just this example.

You have a player pretend to have a HIA (say a rotational forward). He may have to miss the next game (the NRL may mandate this to prevent clubs gaming the system) but so what? He is a rotation player. In our case it could be anyone of our forwards who can’t crack the first 17.

The 18th man comes on and gives you a fresh player for the game your currently playing.

Rinse and repeat every week, rotating the players you want rested while simultaneously having a 5 man bench.
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you really think any club is going to bother trying to get away with that? that players are going to be told to fake an injury in order to bring on an extra prop and theyll be sitting out an nrl game for it?
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simo wrote: March 29, 2021, 7:35 am you really think any club is going to bother trying to get away with that? that players are going to be told to fake an injury in order to bring on an extra prop and theyll be sitting out an nrl game for it?
Yes I do.
Players fake injury all the time for any advantage...they stay down when clipped fractionally high.
They sit on their assess when team is gassed...
They pretend their neck is about to fall off when they back into defenders...
Players and coaches squeeze every drop out of it and rather than tackle the underlying issue, the NRL create more stupid 'side content' for future exploitation purposes...
With the unlimited forward pack we have...do you think we can't exploit this rule? We could do it on our ear.
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This is why i've changed my mind and now believe the best way forward is to simply increase bench sizes to 6 players, allowing greater flexibility to cover, with the same number of interchanges, and let the coaches manage that however they like

If you have 6 man bench, there is no new rules or protocols that change. Coaches are just given greater selection of players to turn too, which has has a few different benefits:

1. it solves the HIA issue, as you will have players to lean on in the event you lose multiple players to concussion
2. it introduces more strategy, you may name Starling and Havilii if you like and pending on the game flow, if you're chasing points, Starling comes on, if you're defending a lead or need middle third minutes, Havalii comes on. It opens the door for different types and styles of player. You might have a guy on your bench you know can only give you 20 minutes, but if you need something special in the closing stages, he comes on and tries to make it happen. Opens the door for different styles of players.
3. If an outside back is hurt, you're almost certainly going to have a specialist back in a 6 man bench, so you can survive that... certainly there wont ever be a need for someone like Curtis Scott to play 70+ minutes with fractured ribs
4. If a player, lets just say someone random like, oh i dont know..., Gehamat Shibasaki! Yeah, him. If he's having an absolute shocker, the coach may be willing to sacrifice a substitution, make his middles play a little longer to get that guy off the park before he costs them a footy game

There is no rule change needed, the current situation remains in place and the same level of exploitation of the rules that currently exist goes on and on we march.
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Botman wrote:This is why i've changed my mind and now believe the best way forward is to simply increase bench sizes to 6 players, allowing greater flexibility to cover, with the same number of interchanges, and let the coaches manage that however they like

If you have 6 man bench, there is no new rules or protocols that change. Coaches are just given greater selection of players to turn too, which has has a few different benefits:

1. it solves the HIA issue, as you will have players to lean on in the event you lose multiple players to concussion
2. it introduces more strategy, you may name Starling and Havilii if you like and pending on the game flow, if you're chasing points, Starling comes on, if you're defending a lead or need middle third minutes, Havalii comes on. It opens the door for different types and styles of player. You might have a guy on your bench you know can only give you 20 minutes, but if you need something special in the closing stages, he comes on and tries to make it happen. Opens the door for different styles of players.
3. If an outside back is hurt, you're almost certainly going to have a specialist back in a 6 man bench, so you can survive that... certainly there wont ever be a need for someone like Curtis Scott to play 70+ minutes with fractured ribs
4. If a player, lets just say someone random like, oh i dont know..., Gehamat Shibasaki! Yeah, him. If he's having an absolute shocker, the coach may be willing to sacrifice a substitution, make his middles play a little longer to get that guy off the park before he costs them a footy game

There is no rule change needed, the current situation remains in place and the same level of exploitation of the rules that currently exist goes on and on we march.
6 man bench but only use 4? I'd be ok with that.

On the HIA substitute, for me it's only for an act of foul play such as Matterson/Kaufusi. Our boys on Saturday is just unlucky but you can't have it rorted by faking or such.

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bonehead wrote: March 29, 2021, 9:42 am
Botman wrote:This is why i've changed my mind and now believe the best way forward is to simply increase bench sizes to 6 players, allowing greater flexibility to cover, with the same number of interchanges, and let the coaches manage that however they like

If you have 6 man bench, there is no new rules or protocols that change. Coaches are just given greater selection of players to turn too, which has has a few different benefits:

1. it solves the HIA issue, as you will have players to lean on in the event you lose multiple players to concussion
2. it introduces more strategy, you may name Starling and Havilii if you like and pending on the game flow, if you're chasing points, Starling comes on, if you're defending a lead or need middle third minutes, Havalii comes on. It opens the door for different types and styles of player. You might have a guy on your bench you know can only give you 20 minutes, but if you need something special in the closing stages, he comes on and tries to make it happen. Opens the door for different styles of players.
3. If an outside back is hurt, you're almost certainly going to have a specialist back in a 6 man bench, so you can survive that... certainly there wont ever be a need for someone like Curtis Scott to play 70+ minutes with fractured ribs
4. If a player, lets just say someone random like, oh i dont know..., Gehamat Shibasaki! Yeah, him. If he's having an absolute shocker, the coach may be willing to sacrifice a substitution, make his middles play a little longer to get that guy off the park before he costs them a footy game

There is no rule change needed, the current situation remains in place and the same level of exploitation of the rules that currently exist goes on and on we march.
6 man bench but only use 4? I'd be ok with that.

On the HIA substitute, for me it's only for an act of foul play such as Matterson/Kaufusi. Our boys on Saturday is just unlucky but you can't have it rorted by faking or such.

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Just a normal bench, just extended so you can use any of the 6, but there is still only 8 interchanges.
So if you want to use all 6 players, you're only going to be able to bring 2 other players back into the fray... which unless your 6 man bench runs 5 or 6 forwards deep, is going to leave your middles very tired at the end of games going against fresher forwards... but if you do want to run 5-6 forwards on an extended bench, good for you... now you have no coverage for other injuries... that's the risk you take.

I would imagine in most games the specialist back would only come on for HIA's for outside backs or in the event of an injury... most teams are not going to just decide "ahh **** it. Lets take Rapana off, and chuck in Semi"

In talking about this, it's clear that an 18th man for HIA incidents is going to create the ability for teams to exploit this without further rules and protocols put in place, and even then i dont think it actually solves the HIA problem like an extended 6 man bench would, and doesnt have the additional benefits as discussed above
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Like in Saturday's game, the Raiders extended bench might have been

14. Havilii
15. Sutton
16. James
17. Starling
18. Guler
20. HSS

If that game plays out normally, HSS probably sits the bench and doesnt play, and next week he goes back to reggies and it's Semi Valemi in that spot, or Aektins... you just rotate them through, it serves as like a chance for them to interact with the top team, go through a full preparation of NRL weekly footy and it's helps develop them.
In a normal game, depending on how James, Sia and Papalii are going, Guler might not see the field, or maybe it's Havilii who doesnt see the field.
Or maybe they both do, and someone like someone Sia comes off after his first 30 and never goes back on... that's all good, that's game flow and strategy and a coach reading the game and deciding which players best suit what is happening.

And again, it's a rotational role where you bring in young kids who you're trying to develop, keeping in mind NO other club is running as deep as we are in the forwards. No other club is having guys like Guler, Hors, CHN, Lui as options for that extra bench spot. It's guys like Darby or O'Donnell for every other club

But in a game like we had, which is almost worst case scenario... you sacrifice 1 interchange to get Scott off the field and HSS plays. Problem for now solved. If he too gets hurt or another outside back, then you go deeper into contingencies.
Tapine gets hurt, and you bring in Sutton. So you're down to 6 interchanges but right now you still have a full 4 man bench to draw on.
When Kris and James get done on a HIA, you have Guler and Havilii to bring on, free interchanges on HIA. And it's not perfect, because you're probably having to play Havilii on the edge still, but at least HSS is outside him, not a dude with broken ribs, and you've still got Starling and one running forward and 6 interchanges, so you can rotate the middles through so you can at least be competitive in the final 30 minutes of a game
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Sorry Botto, I can't come with you on this one... I have no problem with the 6 man bench, but the extra two should only be allowed in case of a concussion IMO.

Rotating 6 players willy-nilly fundamentally changes the game.
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Croker says Canberra beaten but far from broken

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck may have denied his side what would have ranked among their all-time greatest wins but Raiders captain Jarrod Croker still left GIO Stadium in a buoyant mood on Saturday.

Croker’s face had earlier told the story as learned Jordan Rapana hadn't scored in the dying seconds. After Rapana took to the air in a bid to secure the two competition points, Croker's face turning from ecstasy to despair once what had transpired sunk in.

With only one healthy interchange player for almost 70 minutes of the game, the Raiders had held on grimly for much of the second half as New Zealand chanced their arm with second-phase play.

Read more: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2021/03 ... om-broken/


I found this quote from Croker interesting re: Ryan Sutton:
Ryan Sutton stepped up again for Canberra when they needed him, with the 25-year-old running for 188 metres off 21 hit-ups making 51 tackles and a linebreak. "It says a bit about our depth that Sutto wasn’t playing in round one but he’s been one of our best the last two weeks," Croker said.

"His effort today, I remember trying to give him a pat on the back out there in a break but he was like 'I’m right, I’m right, I’m ready to go' so the effort level of guys like him and the other middles who played big minutes was massive."
Wasn't playing round one? I'm sure Sutton has played every game so far
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Hahaha Sutto was 100% playing in Round 1, he was one of our best!

It's the game where all of Sid's irrational Sutton-hate started emanating from.
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I think a six man bench with the two extra Players ‘only’ available to be used for HIA, foul play injuries and serious potential long term injuries would be a reasonable adjustment to the rules.

I’d be OK for both teams doctors to have to agree to the judgement in some cases. I also think a game official would have a reasonable chance of determining if a player had a broken arm or likely ACL.
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Botman wrote: March 29, 2021, 9:34 am This is why i've changed my mind and now believe the best way forward is to simply increase bench sizes to 6 players, allowing greater flexibility to cover, with the same number of interchanges, and let the coaches manage that however they like

If you have 6 man bench, there is no new rules or protocols that change. Coaches are just given greater selection of players to turn too, which has has a few different benefits:

1. it solves the HIA issue, as you will have players to lean on in the event you lose multiple players to concussion
2. it introduces more strategy, you may name Starling and Havilii if you like and pending on the game flow, if you're chasing points, Starling comes on, if you're defending a lead or need middle third minutes, Havalii comes on. It opens the door for different types and styles of player. You might have a guy on your bench you know can only give you 20 minutes, but if you need something special in the closing stages, he comes on and tries to make it happen. Opens the door for different styles of players.
3. If an outside back is hurt, you're almost certainly going to have a specialist back in a 6 man bench, so you can survive that... certainly there wont ever be a need for someone like Curtis Scott to play 70+ minutes with fractured ribs
4. If a player, lets just say someone random like, oh i dont know..., Gehamat Shibasaki! Yeah, him. If he's having an absolute shocker, the coach may be willing to sacrifice a substitution, make his middles play a little longer to get that guy off the park before he costs them a footy game

There is no rule change needed, the current situation remains in place and the same level of exploitation of the rules that currently exist goes on and on we march.
I really like that idea.
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The Nickman wrote: March 29, 2021, 10:34 am Sorry Botto, I can't come with you on this one... I have no problem with the 6 man bench, but the extra two should only be allowed in case of a concussion IMO.

Rotating 6 players willy-nilly fundamentally changes the game.
Firstly, it's not willy nilly, we got rid of unlimited interchange years ago, you've still only got 8 changes you can make. So there is a hard cap on what can be done
But what is fundamentally changed by it?

FWIW whilst i think an extended bench is a better way to go about it, i've got no qualms with emergency 18th /19th men used only in the event that someone is ruled out with head injuries. I think it solves the problem of player safety re: head injuries and it's impact on games just fine, but imo the extended bench idea not only solves the head injury problem, it also provides additional player safety for incidents like Curtis Scott, or dudes playing with cheek bone injuries, or strapping knees, ankles etc up and pushing through pain so to not leave their team short... that player safety should be of concern to the governing body too, i know CTE is on everyones mind but the damage done to our players because they play through the knees, ankles, ribs, shoulder etc is just as debilitating long term,... it allows the team and coaches to protect their players without compromising their chances of success, but adds other elements to the game which can help make the game more entertaining and provide fodder for the water cooler chat
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-PJ- wrote:I’ll just put this here.

I noticed a number on the sleeve of the “warm up tee” on Saturday.

The players number is on the chest but there’s a number on the sleeve of the shirt.

What’s that all about ?
Number of an old boy who played in their position

CNK has Belcher, Croker has Mal etc

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"What an effort to beat the Raiders. They had some calls go against them, but Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was outstanding"

- Soward
WHAT A LONG STRANGE TRIP IT'S BEEN
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Botman wrote: March 29, 2021, 11:14 am
The Nickman wrote: March 29, 2021, 10:34 am Sorry Botto, I can't come with you on this one... I have no problem with the 6 man bench, but the extra two should only be allowed in case of a concussion IMO.

Rotating 6 players willy-nilly fundamentally changes the game.
Firstly, it's not willy nilly, we got rid of unlimited interchange years ago, you've still only got 8 changes you can make. So there is a hard cap on what can be done
But what is fundamentally changed by it?

FWIW whilst i think an extended bench is a better way to go about it, i've got no qualms with emergency 18th /19th men used only in the event that someone is ruled out with head injuries. I think it solves the problem of player safety re: head injuries and it's impact on games just fine, but imo the extended bench idea not only solves the head injury problem, it also provides additional player safety for incidents like Curtis Scott, or dudes playing with cheek bone injuries, or strapping knees, ankles etc up and pushing through pain so to not leave their team short... that player safety should be of concern to the governing body too, i know CTE is on everyones mind but the damage done to our players because they play through the knees, ankles, ribs, shoulder etc is just as debilitating long term,... it allows the team and coaches to protect their players without compromising their chances of success, but adds other elements to the game which can help make the game more entertaining and provide fodder for the water cooler chat
Sorry, I didn't mean to say "willy-nilly".

I meant more like helter skelter.
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I believe that 1 or 2 players should be allowed to play if a player or 2 have been ruled out by a HIA. However, in order for it not to be abused if the interchange is made then it is an automatic stand down of the player leaving the field the following week. This should stop players intentionally failing their HIA assessment.
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1992 wrote:"What an effort to beat the Raiders. They had some calls go against them, but Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was outstanding"

- Soward
Warriors had some calls go against them?????
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