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Does he line up against Momirovski or Burton?

Momirovski is having a very good year so far.
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I backed Charlie Staines anytime tryscorer on Thursday night thinking surely both wingers would score a couple for Penrith against Manly, then the Panthers literally didnt go to the right one single time in attack all night and sure enough I lost my bet.

Anyway point of this is Panthers love the left side attack so Croker will be fine for anyone worried about his defence (I'm not).
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hobbsy wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:19 am I backed Charlie Staines anytime tryscorer on Thursday night thinking surely both wingers would score a couple for Penrith against Manly, then the Panthers literally didnt go to the right one single time in attack all night and sure enough I lost my bet.

Anyway point of this is Panthers love the left side attack so Croker will be fine for anyone worried about his defence (I'm not).
Seb Kris missed quite a few on our right side last night. May have been overlooked by those throwing extra scrutiny on Croker. Fortunately most of Titans left side attack was focused on Fifita. Yound and Williams did a great job of containing him.
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Northern Raider wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:50 am
hobbsy wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:19 am I backed Charlie Staines anytime tryscorer on Thursday night thinking surely both wingers would score a couple for Penrith against Manly, then the Panthers literally didnt go to the right one single time in attack all night and sure enough I lost my bet.

Anyway point of this is Panthers love the left side attack so Croker will be fine for anyone worried about his defence (I'm not).
Seb Kris missed quite a few on our right side last night. May have been overlooked by those throwing extra scrutiny on Croker. Fortunately most of Titans left side attack was focused on Fifita. Yound and Williams did a great job of containing him.
Watching live, I thought Kris's defence was very good at times. But his tackle efficiency stats weren't as good as I thought they might be: five missed and one ineffective, 16 made, 73 per cent tackle efficiency. I guess the Titans' only try went down that side. Croker missed six and two ineffective, 12 made and 60 per cent tackle efficiency. Somehow, he just couldn't get a hold of Patrick Herbert. No try causes though.
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greeneyed wrote: April 4, 2021, 10:53 am
Northern Raider wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:50 am
hobbsy wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:19 am I backed Charlie Staines anytime tryscorer on Thursday night thinking surely both wingers would score a couple for Penrith against Manly, then the Panthers literally didnt go to the right one single time in attack all night and sure enough I lost my bet.

Anyway point of this is Panthers love the left side attack so Croker will be fine for anyone worried about his defence (I'm not).
Seb Kris missed quite a few on our right side last night. May have been overlooked by those throwing extra scrutiny on Croker. Fortunately most of Titans left side attack was focused on Fifita. Yound and Williams did a great job of containing him.
Watching live, I thought Kris's defence was very good at times. But his tackle efficiency stats weren't as good as I thought they might be: five missed and one ineffective, 16 made, 73 per cent tackle efficiency. I guess the Titans' only try went down that side. Croker missed six and two ineffective, 12 made and 60 per cent tackle efficiency. Somehow, he just couldn't get a hold of Patrick Herbert. No try causes though.
Herbert caused him some problems and it's no secret these power centres can do that to him. He stopped him most times which allowed team mates to finish it off. Cutting down his time is the key there, hence pushing up hard. As Cronk said he got got his timing wrong a couple of times. You tread a fine line with that style and doesn't ways come off.

Kris was very similar on the opposite side. That tells us it's the defensive pattern they practise. Not individuals taking matters into their own hands. That was always the issue with BJ's defense. He often went off pist.
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There are few statistics in sport less meaningful or useful than mistackle counts
Couldn’t care less, couldn’t give a **** and my opinion on a poster dips immediately when they reference those stats

I wish I could put that statistic in a rocket ship and blast it into the sun where it belongs.

Croker and Kris both had a high number of “mistackles” which were net positive plays
They achieved the goal of killing the play. If they bounce of a tackle, kill the play and the ball carrier is stopped immediately, as was the case in 90% of both Kris and Croker’s mistackles than that’s a job well done by them and the team

The misreads and mistackles that lead to line breaks and tries. When they’re on the island and they need to make the tackle and don’t, that’s a problem. Them being aggressive, shutting down ball movement and killing the play is not a problem whether they miss a tackle or not
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Botman wrote: April 4, 2021, 2:56 pm Croker and Kris both had a high number of “mistackles” which were net positive plays
They achieved the goal of killing the play. If they bounce of a tackle, kill the play and the ball carrier is stopped immediately, as was the case in 90% of both Kris and Croker’s mistackles than that’s a job well done by them and the team
I don't disagree, which is why I mentioned there were no try causes from the misses or ineffective tackles. The coach used the term, "keeping shape in defence" when talking about Croker, as I recall. I don't agree that missed tackles or ineffective tackles are meaningless stats, however. You just need to use the numbers properly. I still would have liked to see Croker get a better handle on Herbert last night... so that more of those contacts produced an effective tackle... and I suspect Croker would want that too.
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You can captain the ship getting fired into the sun!
Of course everyone wants to stick every tackle they ever attempt
That goes without saying. Or it should since it’s so damn obvious that it’s not worth wasting words on

The aim of a defender is to kill the play
If Croker and Kris come up aggressively, and they’re killing the play, I couldn’t care less if they get a “mistackle” against their name whilst a team mate cleans up the rest, and I’ll bet the NRL coaches don’t either.
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There one part of the miss tackle stat that really irks me. If you are attempting to tackle a player that scores it counts as a miss. Case in point CNK had a miss tackle applied for Corey Thompson's try.
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I havent looked at the stats from the game, and usually dont bother, I just like to go with my impressions from the coverage. My impression of both Kris and Croker was they were very effective within the obvious system applied in defence. They played their role and played it well. One try against by a good attacking side is all the evidence I need. During the game there were a couple of moments where Croker really got his shoulder into the work which I admired.
We have got a "problem" where we are suffering an embarrassment of riches across the board, and some good players are going to miss out. I don't think Croker needs the harsh scrutiny he is getting here on his displayes thus far. Yesterday some were criticizing him for his "slowness" when setting up Rapana for his try when in fact they should have been lauding his skill and nouse in using just the right speed to elude and then draw the defence whilst allowing Rapa to position himself perfectly. No other centre we have could have done that manoeuvre so perfectly. A thing of beauty!
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Northern Raider wrote: April 4, 2021, 3:35 pm There one part of the miss tackle stat that really irks me. If you are attempting to tackle a player that scores it counts as a miss. Case in point CNK had a miss tackle applied for Corey Thompson's try.

And people wonder why I’d fire this stupid stat into the sun

COM above absolutely nailed it
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Cranky Old Man wrote: April 4, 2021, 3:36 pm We have got a "problem" where we are suffering an embarrassment of riches across the board, and some good players are going to miss out. I don't think Croker needs the harsh scrutiny he is getting here on his displayes thus far. Yesterday some were criticizing him for his "slowness" when setting up Rapana for his try when in fact they should have been lauding his skill and nouse in using just the right speed to elude and then draw the defence whilst allowing Rapa to position himself perfectly. No other centre we have could have done that manoeuvre so perfectly. A thing of beauty!
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I'd have Kris and Croker as our top 2 centres personally. The only problem being they are both left edge specialists.
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Roger Kenworthy wrote: April 4, 2021, 5:38 pm I'd have Kris and Croker as our top 2 centres personally. The only problem being they are both left edge specialists.
I have to say that I have been impressed with what I have seen from Scott thus far this year. Like Rapana he seems to have rehabilitated himself physically and mentally over the offseason. But I would be very reluctant to drop Croker, we saw against Cronulla what can and seemingly will occasionally happen if you don'tcarry a gun goal kicker. G Williams like Chad Townsend seems a good kicker but probably has a game or two in him where he finds it difficult to kick a dunny wall from the inside.
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I’ve noticed more often than not Crokers initial contact doesn’t stick.

Not sure if it’s technique, being wrong footed or being overpowered but he seems to need two attempts to bring down the ball runner.
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Cranky Old Man wrote: April 4, 2021, 5:59 pm
Roger Kenworthy wrote: April 4, 2021, 5:38 pm I'd have Kris and Croker as our top 2 centres personally. The only problem being they are both left edge specialists.
I have to say that I have been impressed with what I have seen from Scott thus far this year. Like Rapana he seems to have rehabilitated himself physically and mentally over the offseason. But I would be very reluctant to drop Croker, we saw against Cronulla what can and seemingly will occasionally happen if you don'tcarry a gun goal kicker. G Williams like Chad Townsend seems a good kicker but probably has a game or two in him where he finds it difficult to kick a dunny wall from the inside.
Yeah spot on re Scott, he was as impressive as Kris before injury. He was playing real good footy

Scott is not well liked, and Kris is the new toy so that is what it is but Stuart wouldn’t be wrong to pick Scott over Kris, or Kris over Scott. It’s a very tight call
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Botman wrote: April 4, 2021, 2:56 pm There are few statistics in sport less meaningful or useful than mistackle counts
Couldn’t care less, couldn’t give a **** and my opinion on a poster dips immediately when they reference those stats

I wish I could put that statistic in a rocket ship and blast it into the sun where it belongs.

Croker and Kris both had a high number of “mistackles” which were net positive plays
They achieved the goal of killing the play. If they bounce of a tackle, kill the play and the ball carrier is stopped immediately, as was the case in 90% of both Kris and Croker’s mistackles than that’s a job well done by them and the team

The misreads and mistackles that lead to line breaks and tries. When they’re on the island and they need to make the tackle and don’t, that’s a problem. Them being aggressive, shutting down ball movement and killing the play is not a problem whether they miss a tackle or not
Grotesque over-rationalisation of Croker’s defensive frailties.
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-PJ- wrote: April 4, 2021, 6:56 pm I’ve noticed more often than not Crokers initial contact doesn’t stick.

Not sure if it’s technique, being wrong footed or being overpowered but he seems to need two attempts to bring down the ball runner.
Correct. He’s definitely not the worst defender but due to his stature he can be a speed bump at times.
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Cranky Old Man wrote: April 4, 2021, 5:59 pm
Roger Kenworthy wrote: April 4, 2021, 5:38 pm I'd have Kris and Croker as our top 2 centres personally. The only problem being they are both left edge specialists.
I have to say that I have been impressed with what I have seen from Scott thus far this year. Like Rapana he seems to have rehabilitated himself physically and mentally over the offseason. But I would be very reluctant to drop Croker, we saw against Cronulla what can and seemingly will occasionally happen if you don'tcarry a gun goal kicker. G Williams like Chad Townsend seems a good kicker but probably has a game or two in him where he finds it difficult to kick a dunny wall from the inside.
I have been impressed with his improved form too. But he still hasn't really put opposition defenses under much pressure. 4 rounds in and the right 3/4ers haven't put on a try scoring move other than Simmo's bomb catch and offload. It is really even between the three of them.
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Cranky Old Man wrote: April 4, 2021, 3:36 pm I havent looked at the stats from the game, and usually dont bother, I just like to go with my impressions from the coverage. My impression of both Kris and Croker was they were very effective within the obvious system applied in defence. They played their role and played it well. One try against by a good attacking side is all the evidence I need. During the game there were a couple of moments where Croker really got his shoulder into the work which I admired.
We have got a "problem" where we are suffering an embarrassment of riches across the board, and some good players are going to miss out. I don't think Croker needs the harsh scrutiny he is getting here on his displayes thus far. Yesterday some were criticizing him for his "slowness" when setting up Rapana for his try when in fact they should have been lauding his skill and nouse in using just the right speed to elude and then draw the defence whilst allowing Rapa to position himself perfectly. No other centre we have could have done that manoeuvre so perfectly. A thing of beauty!
We dont have an “embarrassment of riches”. We are thin and underpowered in the backline. Two of the three tries we scored were through the forwards, and none of our backs looked threatening last night.

Croker “slowing down to elude and draw the defence” is laughable. :lol: He drew the defence because he is too slow, luckily Rapana was there to score the try.
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rayden83 wrote: April 4, 2021, 7:21 pm
Botman wrote: April 4, 2021, 2:56 pm There are few statistics in sport less meaningful or useful than mistackle counts
Couldn’t care less, couldn’t give a **** and my opinion on a poster dips immediately when they reference those stats

I wish I could put that statistic in a rocket ship and blast it into the sun where it belongs.

Croker and Kris both had a high number of “mistackles” which were net positive plays
They achieved the goal of killing the play. If they bounce of a tackle, kill the play and the ball carrier is stopped immediately, as was the case in 90% of both Kris and Croker’s mistackles than that’s a job well done by them and the team

The misreads and mistackles that lead to line breaks and tries. When they’re on the island and they need to make the tackle and don’t, that’s a problem. Them being aggressive, shutting down ball movement and killing the play is not a problem whether they miss a tackle or not
Grotesque over-rationalisation of Croker’s defensive frailties.
My position on that stat has zero to do with Croker. Or any player.
The stat is garbage and anyone with functioning knowledge of RL knows it.

If you don’t... well... I can’t help you
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Botman wrote: April 4, 2021, 7:33 pm
rayden83 wrote: April 4, 2021, 7:21 pm
Botman wrote: April 4, 2021, 2:56 pm There are few statistics in sport less meaningful or useful than mistackle counts
Couldn’t care less, couldn’t give a **** and my opinion on a poster dips immediately when they reference those stats

I wish I could put that statistic in a rocket ship and blast it into the sun where it belongs.

Croker and Kris both had a high number of “mistackles” which were net positive plays
They achieved the goal of killing the play. If they bounce of a tackle, kill the play and the ball carrier is stopped immediately, as was the case in 90% of both Kris and Croker’s mistackles than that’s a job well done by them and the team

The misreads and mistackles that lead to line breaks and tries. When they’re on the island and they need to make the tackle and don’t, that’s a problem. Them being aggressive, shutting down ball movement and killing the play is not a problem whether they miss a tackle or not
Grotesque over-rationalisation of Croker’s defensive frailties.
My position on that stat has zero to do with Croker. Or any player.
The stat is garbage and anyone with functioning knowledge of RL knows it.

If you don’t... well... I can’t help you
Lol I love you always speak for everyone. Like everyone in Rugby League land including coaches, players, ex players, journalists etc “knows” that this stat is garbage, like it’s an inside secret only the privileged and elite know about, while all us peasants continually blind ourselves with this useless stat. :lol:
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rayden83 wrote: April 3, 2021, 11:19 pm
tommyhud9 wrote: April 3, 2021, 11:01 pm Rapana is on the chopping block long before Jarrod.
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Runs 19
Metres 142
Tackle Breaks 7
Missed tackles 1
Tries 1

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Runs 3
Metres 30
Tackle breaks 0
Missed tackles 6
Try assists 1

Yep Raps is definitely the problem.

I don’t know where you got the stats from but after rewatching the match I can tell you that Crocker had two hit ups.
One from a penalty for 10 m
The other a genuine hit up for 6 then pushed back two for 4 net
The next time he took the ball up was on the last play when the ball was stripped and a penalty was given,so it shouldn’t have counted.
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Northern Raider wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:50 am
hobbsy wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:19 am I backed Charlie Staines anytime tryscorer on Thursday night thinking surely both wingers would score a couple for Penrith against Manly, then the Panthers literally didnt go to the right one single time in attack all night and sure enough I lost my bet.

Anyway point of this is Panthers love the left side attack so Croker will be fine for anyone worried about his defence (I'm not).
Seb Kris missed quite a few on our right side last night. May have been overlooked by those throwing extra scrutiny on Croker. Fortunately most of Titans left side attack was focused on Fifita. Yound and Williams did a great job of containing him.
Kris didn’t miss ‘quite a few last night’.
He got charged with an ineffective tackle when he weans to the legs on Fifita,Williams went to the body but couldn’t wrap up the ball which eventuated in the Thompson try.
One miss that counted was early in the second half when Kris speared up too quickly to put a hit on a bomb and was stepped pretty easily.

What needs to be understood is the amount of runs that Kris made,with metres after contact and that Fifita was running down that side when compared to the meagre output from Croker.
Kris was in a new position with inexperienced players around him,Simmonsen,Williams and Young compared with
Croker who lines up with Whitehead,Wighton and Rapana.

From what I saw Croker is lacking confidence.I think he is doubting his ability to play first grade.
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Botman wrote: April 4, 2021, 2:56 pm There are few statistics in sport less meaningful or useful than mistackle counts
Couldn’t care less, couldn’t give a **** and my opinion on a poster dips immediately when they reference those stats

I wish I could put that statistic in a rocket ship and blast it into the sun where it belongs.

Croker and Kris both had a high number of “mistackles” which were net positive plays
They achieved the goal of killing the play. If they bounce of a tackle, kill the play and the ball carrier is stopped immediately, as was the case in 90% of both Kris and Croker’s mistackles than that’s a job well done by them and the team

The misreads and mistackles that lead to line breaks and tries. When they’re on the island and they need to make the tackle and don’t, that’s a problem. Them being aggressive, shutting down ball movement and killing the play is not a problem whether they miss a tackle or not
Except for when Croker is aggressive and doesn’t shut the ball down and twice it lead to Don being released with an overlap that only superb play from Wighton and CNK nullified.
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mick63 wrote: April 4, 2021, 8:12 pm
Northern Raider wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:50 am
hobbsy wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:19 am I backed Charlie Staines anytime tryscorer on Thursday night thinking surely both wingers would score a couple for Penrith against Manly, then the Panthers literally didnt go to the right one single time in attack all night and sure enough I lost my bet.

Anyway point of this is Panthers love the left side attack so Croker will be fine for anyone worried about his defence (I'm not).
Seb Kris missed quite a few on our right side last night. May have been overlooked by those throwing extra scrutiny on Croker. Fortunately most of Titans left side attack was focused on Fifita. Yound and Williams did a great job of containing him.
Kris didn’t miss ‘quite a few last night’.
He got charged with an ineffective tackle when he weans to the legs on Fifita,Williams went to the body but couldn’t wrap up the ball which eventuated in the Thompson try.
One miss that counted was early in the second half when Kris speared up too quickly to put a hit on a bomb and was stepped pretty easily.

What needs to be understood is the amount of runs that Kris made,with metres after contact and that Fifita was running down that side when compared to the meagre output from Croker.
Kris was in a new position with inexperienced players around him,Simmonsen,Williams and Young compared with
Croker who lines up with Whitehead,Wighton and Rapana.

From what I saw Croker is lacking confidence.I think he is doubting his ability to play first grade.
He did miss a few and they were similar to how Croker was defending on the opposite side.
As I said that's our structure. It's about disrupting the attack. It will produce miss tackle stats but there are sweepers covering.
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-PJ- wrote: April 4, 2021, 6:56 pm I’ve noticed more often than not Crokers initial contact doesn’t stick.

Not sure if it’s technique, being wrong footed or being overpowered but he seems to need two attempts to bring down the ball runner.
It is happening more than usual. At the moment I'm putting it down to confidence in the shoulder.
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zim wrote: April 4, 2021, 8:22 pm
-PJ- wrote: April 4, 2021, 6:56 pm I’ve noticed more often than not Crokers initial contact doesn’t stick.

Not sure if it’s technique, being wrong footed or being overpowered but he seems to need two attempts to bring down the ball runner.
It is happening more than usual. At the moment I'm putting it down to confidence in the shoulder.
Maybe he is nursing it a bit. I focused on him last night. He got pushed off quite a lot and grabs legs to complete the tackle.

He’s not actually missing a tackle, he’s just taking a couple of attempts.
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rayden83 wrote: April 4, 2021, 7:46 pm
Botman wrote: April 4, 2021, 7:33 pm
rayden83 wrote: April 4, 2021, 7:21 pm
Botman wrote: April 4, 2021, 2:56 pm There are few statistics in sport less meaningful or useful than mistackle counts
Couldn’t care less, couldn’t give a **** and my opinion on a poster dips immediately when they reference those stats

I wish I could put that statistic in a rocket ship and blast it into the sun where it belongs.

Croker and Kris both had a high number of “mistackles” which were net positive plays
They achieved the goal of killing the play. If they bounce of a tackle, kill the play and the ball carrier is stopped immediately, as was the case in 90% of both Kris and Croker’s mistackles than that’s a job well done by them and the team

The misreads and mistackles that lead to line breaks and tries. When they’re on the island and they need to make the tackle and don’t, that’s a problem. Them being aggressive, shutting down ball movement and killing the play is not a problem whether they miss a tackle or not
Grotesque over-rationalisation of Croker’s defensive frailties.
My position on that stat has zero to do with Croker. Or any player.
The stat is garbage and anyone with functioning knowledge of RL knows it.

If you don’t... well... I can’t help you
Lol I love you always speak for everyone. Like everyone in Rugby League land including coaches, players, ex players, journalists etc “knows” that this stat is garbage, like it’s an inside secret only the privileged and elite know about, while all us peasants continually blind ourselves with this useless stat. :lol:
It’s not an inside secret. It’s open.
Can’t help you, my guy
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mick63 wrote: April 4, 2021, 8:18 pm
Botman wrote: April 4, 2021, 2:56 pm There are few statistics in sport less meaningful or useful than mistackle counts
Couldn’t care less, couldn’t give a **** and my opinion on a poster dips immediately when they reference those stats

I wish I could put that statistic in a rocket ship and blast it into the sun where it belongs.

Croker and Kris both had a high number of “mistackles” which were net positive plays
They achieved the goal of killing the play. If they bounce of a tackle, kill the play and the ball carrier is stopped immediately, as was the case in 90% of both Kris and Croker’s mistackles than that’s a job well done by them and the team

The misreads and mistackles that lead to line breaks and tries. When they’re on the island and they need to make the tackle and don’t, that’s a problem. Them being aggressive, shutting down ball movement and killing the play is not a problem whether they miss a tackle or not
Except for when Croker is aggressive and doesn’t shut the ball down and twice it lead to Don being released with an overlap that only superb play from Wighton and CNK nullified.
I’d have to look at the plays again but if that’s an accurate portrayal of events, then, yep that’s fair and that’s bad play.
If your not killing the movement, that’s a problem
No issue with that.

It’s also rare and not actually presented in any real way with a mistackle count

My measure is did you shut the play down? Did you stop the movement?

If yes, I couldn’t give a single **** who got the “tackle”
If no, we have a problem
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Re: Jarrod Croker

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Northern Raider wrote: April 4, 2021, 8:20 pm
mick63 wrote: April 4, 2021, 8:12 pm
Northern Raider wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:50 am
hobbsy wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:19 am I backed Charlie Staines anytime tryscorer on Thursday night thinking surely both wingers would score a couple for Penrith against Manly, then the Panthers literally didnt go to the right one single time in attack all night and sure enough I lost my bet.

Anyway point of this is Panthers love the left side attack so Croker will be fine for anyone worried about his defence (I'm not).
Seb Kris missed quite a few on our right side last night. May have been overlooked by those throwing extra scrutiny on Croker. Fortunately most of Titans left side attack was focused on Fifita. Yound and Williams did a great job of containing him.
Kris didn’t miss ‘quite a few last night’.
He got charged with an ineffective tackle when he weans to the legs on Fifita,Williams went to the body but couldn’t wrap up the ball which eventuated in the Thompson try.
One miss that counted was early in the second half when Kris speared up too quickly to put a hit on a bomb and was stepped pretty easily.

What needs to be understood is the amount of runs that Kris made,with metres after contact and that Fifita was running down that side when compared to the meagre output from Croker.
Kris was in a new position with inexperienced players around him,Simmonsen,Williams and Young compared with
Croker who lines up with Whitehead,Wighton and Rapana.

From what I saw Croker is lacking confidence.I think he is doubting his ability to play first grade.
He did miss a few and they were similar to how Croker was defending on the opposite side.
As I said that's our structure. It's about disrupting the attack. It will produce miss tackle stats but there are sweepers covering.
Obviously we see it differently.
Croker had a bludger of a game last night on both sides of the ball and it was of a standard that if it continues won’t keep him in first grade.
You can’t carry passengers when you play the grinding type of league that the Raiders do.
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mick63 wrote: April 4, 2021, 8:59 pm
Northern Raider wrote: April 4, 2021, 8:20 pm
mick63 wrote: April 4, 2021, 8:12 pm
Northern Raider wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:50 am
hobbsy wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:19 am I backed Charlie Staines anytime tryscorer on Thursday night thinking surely both wingers would score a couple for Penrith against Manly, then the Panthers literally didnt go to the right one single time in attack all night and sure enough I lost my bet.

Anyway point of this is Panthers love the left side attack so Croker will be fine for anyone worried about his defence (I'm not).
Seb Kris missed quite a few on our right side last night. May have been overlooked by those throwing extra scrutiny on Croker. Fortunately most of Titans left side attack was focused on Fifita. Yound and Williams did a great job of containing him.
Kris didn’t miss ‘quite a few last night’.
He got charged with an ineffective tackle when he weans to the legs on Fifita,Williams went to the body but couldn’t wrap up the ball which eventuated in the Thompson try.
One miss that counted was early in the second half when Kris speared up too quickly to put a hit on a bomb and was stepped pretty easily.

What needs to be understood is the amount of runs that Kris made,with metres after contact and that Fifita was running down that side when compared to the meagre output from Croker.
Kris was in a new position with inexperienced players around him,Simmonsen,Williams and Young compared with
Croker who lines up with Whitehead,Wighton and Rapana.

From what I saw Croker is lacking confidence.I think he is doubting his ability to play first grade.
He did miss a few and they were similar to how Croker was defending on the opposite side.
As I said that's our structure. It's about disrupting the attack. It will produce miss tackle stats but there are sweepers covering.
Obviously we see it differently.
Croker had a bludger of a game last night on both sides of the ball and it was of a standard that if it continues won’t keep him in first grade.
You can’t carry passengers when you play the grinding type of league that the Raiders do.
The conversation was about the Panthers mostly attacking to their left side.
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Re: Jarrod Croker

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Northern Raider wrote: April 4, 2021, 8:20 pm
mick63 wrote: April 4, 2021, 8:12 pm
Northern Raider wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:50 am
hobbsy wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:19 am I backed Charlie Staines anytime tryscorer on Thursday night thinking surely both wingers would score a couple for Penrith against Manly, then the Panthers literally didnt go to the right one single time in attack all night and sure enough I lost my bet.

Anyway point of this is Panthers love the left side attack so Croker will be fine for anyone worried about his defence (I'm not).
Seb Kris missed quite a few on our right side last night. May have been overlooked by those throwing extra scrutiny on Croker. Fortunately most of Titans left side attack was focused on Fifita. Yound and Williams did a great job of containing him.
Kris didn’t miss ‘quite a few last night’.
He got charged with an ineffective tackle when he weans to the legs on Fifita,Williams went to the body but couldn’t wrap up the ball which eventuated in the Thompson try.
One miss that counted was early in the second half when Kris speared up too quickly to put a hit on a bomb and was stepped pretty easily.

What needs to be understood is the amount of runs that Kris made,with metres after contact and that Fifita was running down that side when compared to the meagre output from Croker.
Kris was in a new position with inexperienced players around him,Simmonsen,Williams and Young compared with
Croker who lines up with Whitehead,Wighton and Rapana.

From what I saw Croker is lacking confidence.I think he is doubting his ability to play first grade.
He did miss a few and they were similar to how Croker was defending on the opposite side.
As I said that's our structure. It's about disrupting the attack. It will produce miss tackle stats but there are sweepers covering.

This is important and something COM spoke to as well
The structure and how the coach wants our team to defend, particularly out wide when protecting inside/outside shoulder becomes a decisions made inside. Understanding the “rules” is critical

And again, that’s not player specific
That’s, pardon my American football parlance, scheme specific
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Normally teams might have a flat defensive line but we have the centre coming forward to put pressure on their attacking line.
The player at the top of the shape creates success for the 2 sweepers below him forming a pyramid of success.
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zim wrote: April 4, 2021, 9:21 pm Normally teams might have a flat defensive line but we have the centre coming forward to put pressure on their attacking line.
The player at the top of the shape creates success for the 2 sweepers below him forming a pyramid of success.
The only line that tactic put pressure on last night was the Raiders try line
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