The Greenhouse

The Dally M points were awarded as follows:

Round 1 Raiders V Tigers

3 Hudson Young
2 George Williams
1 Jordan Rapana

Judge - Greg Alexander

Hudson Young got the three points playing out of position? Interesting.

The Nickman wrote: ↑March 15, 2021, 10:04 am Hudson Young got the three points playing out of position? Interesting.

He goes alright.

I thought he and Williams did a great job on Leilua jr and he still had the energy to make a couple of tough outside-in runs. Unlike Leilua, he just got better and better as the game went on. Good signs.

That defense late in the game was very impressive. We just kept coming.
Tigers attacking our line but looking like they were on the back foot.
Still work to do in attack with timing and lines. Looks very dangerous when he drifts into the middle.

The Nickman wrote: ↑March 15, 2021, 10:04 am Hudson Young got the three points playing out of position? Interesting.

Defensively he was excellent
35 tackles, 1 miss and held the Tigers best play at bay all game. It was a huge reason why we went into the break with the score line we did.
He got 2 points from me but I've got no qualms about him getting 3.

He's a substantially better middle than edge with ball in hand. That was confirmed again in the game yesterday.

If only Hudson could score tries...

Botman wrote: ↑March 15, 2021, 1:24 pm

The Nickman wrote: ↑March 15, 2021, 10:04 am Hudson Young got the three points playing out of position? Interesting.

Defensively he was excellent
35 tackles, 1 miss and held the Tigers best play at bay all game. It was a huge reason why we went into the break with the score line we did.
He got 2 points from me but I've got no qualms about him getting 3.

He's a substantially better middle than edge with ball in hand. That was confirmed again in the game yesterday.

Agree. Defensively very solid, as he has been pretty much anytime I've seen him play there.

In attack, almost anything good he did came in middle third. I think once CHN becomes available again natural order will take course, particular given his ability to attack space and run lines. George badly needs someone to give the ball to on that right.

I appreciate that some posters have made this claim that he is so much better in the middle than the edge but he was playing on the edge yesterday and he played very well. It's really unnecessary to try and twist it into a 'the good things he did was through the middle' narrative.

Like I said last year, maybe it just took him a few games to feel comfortable in the nrl, regardless of position. I admit I got him wrong - as a lot of us did after the eye gouging.

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I think he can get better out wide, so I’m happy for him to learn his trade on the edge.

He’s heading in the right direction and hopefully he can further develop his passing game and support play.

He’s a good middle, but we have plenty of good middles.

I think Billy Moore botched up the order of his votes and meant Tedesco as number 1 player rather than 1 point.

Round 2 - Raiders V Sharks

3 - Joseph Tapine
2 - Josh Papalii
1 - Hudson Young

Judge: Ben Ikin

Canberra Raiders leader board

4 Hudson Young
3 Joseph Tapine
2 Josh Papalii
2 George Williams
1 Jordan Rapana

Dally M leader board

Brett Morris Sydney Roosters 6
Reed Mahoney Parramatta Eels 5
Junior Paulo Parramatta Eels 4
Hudson Young Canberra Raiders 4
Latrell Mitchell South Sydney Rabbitohs 4
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck Warriors 3
James Tedesco Sydney Roosters 3
Ryan Papenhuyzen Melbourne Storm 3
Daniel Saifiti Newcastle Knights 3
Kodi Nikorima Warriors 3
James Fisher-Harris Penrith Panthers 3
Bradman Best Newcastle Knights 3
William Kennedy Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks 3
Tino Fa'asumaleaui Gold Coast Titans 3
Jarome Luai Penrith Panthers 3
Ben Hunt St George Illawarra Dragons 3
Joseph Tapine Canberra Raiders 3
Josh Papalii Canberra Raiders 2
Valentine Holmes North Queensland Cowboys 2
Viliame Kikau Penrith Panthers 2
Christian Welch Melbourne Storm 2
David Klemmer Newcastle Knights 2
Addin Fonua-Blake Warriors 2
Lindsay Collins Sydney Roosters 2
Nathan Cleary Penrith Panthers 2
George Williams Canberra Raiders 2
Mat Moylan Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks 2
David Fifita Gold Coast Titans 2
Maika Sivo Parramatta Eels 2
Damien Cook South Sydney Rabbitohs 2
Jayden Brailey Newcastle Knights 2
Anthony Milford Brisbane Broncos 1
Daniel Alvaro St George Illawarra Dragons 1
Daine Laurie Wests Tigers 1
Dylan Edwards Penrith Panthers 1
Jordan Rapana Canberra Raiders 1
Jack Bird St George Illawarra Dragons 1
Ash Taylor Gold Coast Titans 1
Brian To'o Penrith Panthers 1
Benji Marshall South Sydney Rabbitohs 1

Bit harsh to give all six points to raiders in a close game like that IMO

How did Ryan James miss out on points? Good to see Hudson Young leading the way, despite being forced to play out of position.

Papalii? Love the guy but he wasn't in our top 5, let alone top 3

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Yeah James > Papa for sure.

That’s the problem with the dally m
Like what game is Ikin watching there? Absolutely no one would argue Papalii over James in that game

These judges honestly just give points to big name players

Botman wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 7:56 am That’s the problem with the dally m
Like what game is Ikin watching there? Absolutely no one would argue Papalii over James in that game

These judges honestly just give points to big name players

the issue is that ikin would be one of the few id normally trust to get a vote right

simo wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 8:21 am

Botman wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 7:56 am That’s the problem with the dally m
Like what game is Ikin watching there? Absolutely no one would argue Papalii over James in that game

These judges honestly just give points to big name players

the issue is that ikin would be one of the few id normally trust to get a vote right

Yeah spot on, if you had to rank the judges first to last, he'd be near the top and even he's **** hopeless.

As many of us have commented the entire Dally M system is flawed.

I’d rather see a range of 3,2,1s from multiple media sources and then the Daily Telegraph can rank any ties into the final score. The main player of the year award for any sport shouldn’t be owned by Rupert Murdoch.

Roosters won 40-6 and Daine Laurie got a point from Sam Thaiday.

Botman wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 8:36 am

simo wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 8:21 am

Botman wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 7:56 am That’s the problem with the dally m
Like what game is Ikin watching there? Absolutely no one would argue Papalii over James in that game

These judges honestly just give points to big name players

the issue is that ikin would be one of the few id normally trust to get a vote right

Yeah spot on, if you had to rank the judges first to last, he'd be near the top and even he's **** hopeless.

Did he watch the game or keep tabs via Fox Sports stats?

BJ wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 10:02 am As many of us have commented the entire Dally M system is flawed.

I’d rather see a range of 3,2,1s from multiple media sources and then the Daily Telegraph can rank any ties into the final score. The main player of the year award for any sport shouldn’t be owned by Rupert Murdoch.

It is owned by the NRL now. That's why all the points are now transparently published on NRL.com.

Northern Raider wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 10:06 am

Botman wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 8:36 am

simo wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 8:21 am

Botman wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 7:56 am That’s the problem with the dally m
Like what game is Ikin watching there? Absolutely no one would argue Papalii over James in that game

These judges honestly just give points to big name players

the issue is that ikin would be one of the few id normally trust to get a vote right

Yeah spot on, if you had to rank the judges first to last, he'd be near the top and even he's **** hopeless.

Did he watch the game or keep tabs via Fox Sports stats?

The judges are required to watch, but after last year they no longer have to be at the game.

greeneyed wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 10:42 am

Northern Raider wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 10:06 am

Botman wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 8:36 am

simo wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 8:21 am

Botman wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 7:56 am That’s the problem with the dally m
Like what game is Ikin watching there? Absolutely no one would argue Papalii over James in that game

These judges honestly just give points to big name players

the issue is that ikin would be one of the few id normally trust to get a vote right

Yeah spot on, if you had to rank the judges first to last, he'd be near the top and even he's **** hopeless.

Did he watch the game or keep tabs via Fox Sports stats?

The judges are required to watch, but after last year they no longer have to be at the game.

Must have been watching via Kayo on his phone while out at dinner. Main course was served at the 20 min mark.

-GD- wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 10:03 am Roosters won 40-6 and Daine Laurie got a point from Sam Thaiday.

Meanwhile we win on bad goal kicking and get all 6

Botman wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 11:00 am

-GD- wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 10:03 am Roosters won 40-6 and Daine Laurie got a point from Sam Thaiday.

Meanwhile we win on bad goal kicking and get all 6

Stupid. The whole system's **** stupid.

You just know if Corey Parker had been doing our game he would've somehow found a way to give a point to a Broncos player.

We should get 5-8 people together and run our own Greenhouse NRL wide system one year

I bet ours would compare very favourable to the actual dally m’s

-GD- wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 10:03 am Roosters won 40-6 and Daine Laurie got a point from Sam Thaiday.

Seems to be some outcry: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 48bab90189

Who on earth decided Sam Thaiday was a qualified judge of the Dally M Award?

greeneyed wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 11:53 am

-GD- wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 10:03 am Roosters won 40-6 and Daine Laurie got a point from Sam Thaiday.

Seems to be some outcry: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 48bab90189

Who on earth decided Sam Thaiday was a qualified judge of the Dally M Award?

None of these ex-Broncos guys like Thaiday or Hodges or Corey **** Parker seem remotely competent to do the Dally M's after a game.

Actually, most judges stink at times, we've seen Greg Alexander and now Ben Ikin also come up with absolute head scratchers.

Ruan Sims should be sole judge on all 8 games every weekend.

greeneyed wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 11:53 am

-GD- wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 10:03 am Roosters won 40-6 and Daine Laurie got a point from Sam Thaiday.

Seems to be some outcry: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 48bab90189

Who on earth decided Sam Thaiday was a qualified judge of the Dally M Award?

Sounds like V'Landys is onto it already though...

"While voting will always be a subjective process, an overhaul of the Dally M system has been floated before by Peter V’landys.
Last year he suggested every player be ranked out of 10 for every game before adding up those points to determine the Dally M medallist.
He said at the time that it would address players who are in a strong team where multiple stars are competing for points."

**** I love him.

-PJ- wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 11:58 am Ruan Sims should be sole judge on all 8 games every weekend.

It baffles me how Ruan Sims has any job in the media.

greeneyed wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 12:01 pm

-PJ- wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 11:58 am Ruan Sims should be sole judge on all 8 games every weekend.

It baffles me how Ruan Sims has any job in the media.

Early on she had the highest profile of all the women NRL players, mainly because of the family recognition. That was a long time ago and surely they can come up with a better option now.

Northern Raider wrote:

greeneyed wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 12:01 pm

-PJ- wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 11:58 am Ruan Sims should be sole judge on all 8 games every weekend.

It baffles me how Ruan Sims has any job in the media.

Early on she had the highest profile of all the women NRL players, mainly because of the family recognition. That was a long time ago and surely they can come up with a better option now.

Sports media "personalities" are never hired for their talent - it is all about jobs for the boys (or in this case girls)

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The Nickman wrote:

greeneyed wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 11:53 am

-GD- wrote: ↑March 22, 2021, 10:03 am Roosters won 40-6 and Daine Laurie got a point from Sam Thaiday.

Seems to be some outcry: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 48bab90189

Who on earth decided Sam Thaiday was a qualified judge of the Dally M Award?

Sounds like V'Landys is onto it already though...

"While voting will always be a subjective process, an overhaul of the Dally M system has been floated before by Peter V’landys.
Last year he suggested every player be ranked out of 10 for every game before adding up those points to determine the Dally M medallist.
He said at the time that it would address players who are in a strong team where multiple stars are competing for points."

**** I love him.

Just do it as fans choice and be done with it. Log on to NRL.com after games and give all 34 players a vote out of 10

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