Seiffert82 wrote: ↑March 10, 2021, 10:35 pm
gergreg wrote: ↑March 10, 2021, 9:22 pm
I think it would be interesting to also see what segment of the field line breaks occur. For example - It is possible that line breaks occurred in the middle and then the outside men closed in and shut down the line break. (We all know that CNK is pretty damn good defensively.) As a result, on the following play the opposition shifted wide and scored through the edges.
I'm not at all saying this is what happened but it's difficult to tell a full story with a single set of data.
That being said, from the eye test I'd guess the majority of line breaks also occurred on the edges.
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Exactly. Leaking defence is about way more than where the opposition crosses the tryline.
This was my earlier post on the matter, when comparing our 2020 defence to 2019...
Seiffert82 wrote: ↑March 10, 2021, 1:36 pm
Yeah, we definitely leaked more in the middle - which I mostly attribute to the changes. Our defence on the edges sucked at times though
, which had more to do with the form of certain players, the introduction of rookies and others playing out of position.
Captain tedious then uses a try scoring comparison to claim our middle defence was better last season than in 2019 because the percentage of tries we conceded in the middle was slightly lower in 2020. Can I just say, that the chart also tells me the Cowboys middle defence only conceded 15% of their tries - therefore based on those stats, I can only assume Captain Dingleberry's conclusion must also be that the Cowboys middles are better than ours. News flash...that chart gives us a relative
percentage of where tries are scored. It doesn't tell us anything more about a team's defense. **** me.
Firstly, we conceded an average of 16.7ppg last year compared to 15.1ppg in 2019, so on the whole our defence across the park was a bit worse. That's not overly surprising.
I also said our defence out wide sucked at times last year. In comparison to last season we clearly conceded many more breaks down the edges right where Scott and Rapana played. It's no surprise the relative percentage of tries scored against us increased in that area - particularly on the right. I didn't need a chart to know that. The fact that this happened tells us nothing about the quality of our defence in the middle - other than it was relatively better than our ordinary defence out wide.
Now, I couldn't care less if Ernie Numbnuts doesn't think our defence in the middle leaked a bit more last season...those leaks consisting of linebreaks, tries, offloads, whatever...my original point is that Stuart will be looking for the entire team to again lift it's defense across the park. Including the middle...and especially out wide.
I'm going to give you a hot tip here - when you fall behind, don't keep trying to argue your way out of it. There's no dishonour in having your ego hurt and quietly letting one go. You're trying to make out like your point was about something else, spinning it off in a thousand different directions
You made a claim. You clearly had based the claim on nothing but your own eyes, since the numbers came back and proved the claim definitively incorrect. Our middle defence was more leaky in 2019 than 2020, contrary to your claims. Trying to base the argument on PPG is flawed, because it fails to take into consideration the changing nature of the comp as a whole from year to year and relativity to other sides - i.e. if the game were to see more points scored across the board in a particular year, like through a bunch of rule changes for example, an increased figure may only be in line with that rise. If PPG decreased as a whole and we increased, then it's cause for concern.
The graphs presented are representations of 100%
of the tries scored against the team. The edge percentage being much higher does not
indicate that your edge defence is leaky and needs to be fixed, as if it's a bad thing - it is a graph illustrating all
tries scored against you, and you're always going to concede tries, regardless of how many. You want
the percentage conceded on the edges to be much higher. It increases the difficulty of the conversion attempt by the opposing team. If you reduce the percentage on the edges, where does that then go? **** me dead.
As for the claim 'we clearly conceded many more breaks down the edges right where Scott and Rapana played'
, it'd be nice to see if you've based this on some sort data that it's measured in ..... or perhaps you're just flat out making **** up. Again.