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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
9
60%
Raiders 1-12
4
27%
Draw
0
No votes
Sharks 1-12
1
7%
Sharks 13+
1
7%
 
Total votes: 15

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KingDynamite wrote:
IBG wrote:It's ok guys I found out heaps more on Adam Cook.

https://www.raiders.com.au/teams/jersey ... adam-cook/

Mystery solved.

Looks a tad shady though, might be hard to spot at night...
I’ve heard he’s a shadow of his former self.
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I am not surprised at all that we have done this. It just follows the long line of Ricky's view that you win games by not playing games.

There is form for this:
- We only play one trial and often play our senior players for a few mins
- We totally disregard the Nines - to the point of picking the bare minimum that is required under the rules and then having them on the bench not setting foot on the field or literally for 2 seconds.
- We are talking about not having a 2nd tier team next year - getting them to train a bit more, maybe play a bit of local footy which is slow motion compared to the NRL or even NSW Cup.
- We rested half a team in the final round last year.

I am not totally against points 1, 2 and 4 (point 3 I am totally against but there is a different thread for that) but it is what we do, and I guess in recent years it has proved to be successful.
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Timbo wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:39 pm If this group of no names drops their bundle vs the Sharks, then the Tiges somehow beat Parra, this will have been a truly horrible decision.
Yeah but imagine the scenes if the perfectly plausible scenario happens whereby this reserve grade side earns us a top 4 spot and we hit the Panthers fresh off a week off.
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Timbo wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:39 pm If this group of no names drops their bundle vs the Sharks, then the Tiges somehow beat Parra, this will have been a truly horrible decision.
I reckon not resting guys that need it and still ending up 5th is a worse outcome, if we wanted to rank them. Real shame that game wasn't first.
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Mickey_Raider wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:46 pm
Timbo wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:39 pm If this group of no names drops their bundle vs the Sharks, then the Tiges somehow beat Parra, this will have been a truly horrible decision.
Yeah but imagine the scenes if the perfectly plausible scenario happens whereby this reserve grade side earns us a top 4 spot and we hit the Panthers fresh off a week off.
Keep going...
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This is crazy with a top 4 spot potentially on the line

I understand a few rests but wholesale resting, I don't get it
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Very smart move by Stuart.

I was just thinking about it..Sharks actually have absolutely nothing at all to play for. They are 8th regardless if the result so i suspect they wont be at full strength either.
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RichmondRaider wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:48 pm
Mickey_Raider wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:46 pm
Timbo wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:39 pm If this group of no names drops their bundle vs the Sharks, then the Tiges somehow beat Parra, this will have been a truly horrible decision.
Yeah but imagine the scenes if the perfectly plausible scenario happens whereby this reserve grade side earns us a top 4 spot and we hit the Panthers fresh off a week off.
Keep going...
And we go on to win the premiership by denying the Roosters a 3-peat, beating them 48-0 in the grand final in front of 41,000 mostly Raiders fans.
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Penrith will roll us w1. Rather play sharks than parra than storm than roosters in gf rematch
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Timbo wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:39 pm If this group of no names drops their bundle vs the Sharks, then the Tiges somehow beat Parra, this will have been a truly horrible decision.
Nope.

Everyone is saying we will be better off being 4th because we will get a guaranteed 2nd game.

RUBBISH!

We will be better off coming 5th.

We will win Vs Sharks round 1 and if we don't then we don't deserve to be there.

We will then play the lowest ranked loser which will be Parra (against Panthers). If we come 4th we would have played Penrith round 1 and likely gotten beat.

I would much rather a slow build with a win over the Sharks and confident we could beat the Eels at Bankwest.

Then we get into a prelim and it's anyone's game.

5th is good.
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Still think we can win...Cronulla aren't all that
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IBG wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:52 pm
Timbo wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:39 pm If this group of no names drops their bundle vs the Sharks, then the Tiges somehow beat Parra, this will have been a truly horrible decision.
Nope.

Everyone is saying we will be better off being 4th because we will get a guaranteed 2nd game.

RUBBISH!

We will be better off coming 5th.

We will win Vs Sharks round 1 and if we don't then we don't deserve to be there.

We will then play the lowest ranked loser which will be Parra (against Panthers). If we come 4th we would have played Penrith round 1 and likely gotten beat.

I would much rather a slow build with a win over the Sharks and confident we could beat the Eels at Bankwest.

Then we get into a prelim and it's anyone's game.

5th is good.
Statistics don't agree with you. This finals system has been in for 8 years, therefore there have been 16 games in Week 2.

13 times out of 16 the top 4 team that has lost the first week has won the second week.

I know it is a different sport, but the AFL has had this finals system since 2000 so there is 20 years of data. In the first 14 years (2000-2013) the top 4 team won week 2 of the finals 26 times out of 28. 2014 was a total outlier in that two top 4 teams went out in straight sets and since there have been a few exceptions including the Western Bulldogs winning the premiership from 7th and GWS making the Grand final last year from 6th but again much better to finish top 4.

90.625% of teams to make the top 4 in the NRL have played a preliminary final.

5th is no where near as good as 4th.
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You blokes saying 5th is better than 4th are fair dinkum in fairly land. I'm in a bit of shock actually. Thought he'd rest a few but gee... it's a huge call. Rick will look like goose of the year if Parra lose...
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1. 5th is no way better than 4th.
2. Parra won't lose so it's irrelevant.
3. Were not beating the sharks this week, however it's irrelevant.
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Amazing team list, glad Ricky finally made a right call on team selections :P Also I have to apologise to Sam Williams for honestly forgetting that he existed and leaving him out of my original team suggestions :P
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GreenMachine wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:06 pm 1. 5th is no way better than 4th.
2. Parra won't lose so it's irrelevant.
3. Were not beating the sharks this week, however it's irrelevant.
Interesting you can confidently say a team that lost 38-0 to Souths (who have been poor since) definitely won't lose. You have more faith in them then me.
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I am going to enjoy every minute of this week.

I agree with the notion that this year, 5th is better than 4th. I wrote a few weeks back that wholesale resting was likely for this game. Why show Cronulla what we have this week, so they can focus on shutting us down and ambushing us Wk 1 of finals? Plus, the risk of injury is just too great. The game in all likelihood is the deadest of rubbers. There is nothing to gain from the match, but plenty to lose through injury etc.

Smart move in my book. Hopefully Adam cooks us up a subloome piece of flake for dinner as well.
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Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:02 pm Statistics don't agree with you. This finals system has been in for 8 years, therefore there have been 16 games in Week 2.

13 times out of 16 the top 4 team that has lost the first week has won the second week.

I know it is a different sport, but the AFL has had this finals system since 2000 so there is 20 years of data. In the first 14 years (2000-2013) the top 4 team won week 2 of the finals 26 times out of 28. 2014 was a total outlier in that two top 4 teams went out in straight sets and since there have been a few exceptions including the Western Bulldogs winning the premiership from 7th and GWS making the Grand final last year from 6th but again much better to finish top 4.

90.625% of teams to make the top 4 in the NRL have played a preliminary final.

5th is no where near as good as 4th.
That has a lot more to do with the quality of the teams usually in the top 4 then any magic of the position. Also our goal isn't a preliminary final, it's a grand final.
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being a 20 round season your statistics are null and void
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benda wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:48 pm Very smart move by Stuart.

I was just thinking about it..Sharks actually have absolutely nothing at all to play for. They are 8th regardless if the result so i suspect they wont be at full strength either.
Johnson and Hunt are out but it could be a GF this week and they wouldn’t play. Katoa and Dugan also out but will probably play next week.
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I think anyone saying 5th is better than 4th has lost their minds
But I also don’t think this is the worst idea, I don’t think parra will lose, and I think we’ve got a **** ton of guys who need a break... it feels to me half the team is playing with serious niggles that need attention every game

So whilst this is not what I’d have done, I think there is logic to it
And I’m super pumped to see this team play haha
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Mickey_Raider wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:08 pm I would love to be a fly on the wall at Raiders HQ today.

What is the plan here? Are we gambling that our actual second string side will be good enough to beat the Sharks? Or have we given up on the top 4? Or are we taking the gamble that Our best chance of winning it all is from 5th with a well rested team and momentum going into week 2 of the finals?
It seems so. It's taking a guaranteed freshen up in round 20 vs the unknown and fairly faint chance of a rest in Week 2 finals. Huge call!
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Ultima wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:10 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:02 pm Statistics don't agree with you. This finals system has been in for 8 years, therefore there have been 16 games in Week 2.

13 times out of 16 the top 4 team that has lost the first week has won the second week.

I know it is a different sport, but the AFL has had this finals system since 2000 so there is 20 years of data. In the first 14 years (2000-2013) the top 4 team won week 2 of the finals 26 times out of 28. 2014 was a total outlier in that two top 4 teams went out in straight sets and since there have been a few exceptions including the Western Bulldogs winning the premiership from 7th and GWS making the Grand final last year from 6th but again much better to finish top 4.

90.625% of teams to make the top 4 in the NRL have played a preliminary final.

5th is no where near as good as 4th.
That has a lot more to do with the quality of the teams usually in the top 4 then any magic of the position. Also our goal isn't a preliminary final, it's a grand final.
Under this system 100% of teams who lose a preliminary final miss out on the Grand Final.

Records are made to be broken but I reckon that one might hold up a bit longer.

Preliminary final is pretty important I reckon.
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GreenMachine wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:06 pm 1. 5th is no way better than 4th.
2. Parra won't lose so it's irrelevant.
3. Were not beating the sharks this week, however it's irrelevant.
Yeah while I'd love/hope for parra to lose, and I'm a Benji fan, I can't see them actually losing to the tigers side that's been named.
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Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:11 pm
benda wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:48 pm Very smart move by Stuart.

I was just thinking about it..Sharks actually have absolutely nothing at all to play for. They are 8th regardless if the result so i suspect they wont be at full strength either.
Johnson and Hunt are out but it could be a GF this week and they wouldn’t play. Katoa and Dugan also out but will probably play next week.
The Sharks team is the same. It's a reserve grade side for both of us.
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Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:13 pm
Ultima wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:10 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:02 pm Statistics don't agree with you. This finals system has been in for 8 years, therefore there have been 16 games in Week 2.

13 times out of 16 the top 4 team that has lost the first week has won the second week.

I know it is a different sport, but the AFL has had this finals system since 2000 so there is 20 years of data. In the first 14 years (2000-2013) the top 4 team won week 2 of the finals 26 times out of 28. 2014 was a total outlier in that two top 4 teams went out in straight sets and since there have been a few exceptions including the Western Bulldogs winning the premiership from 7th and GWS making the Grand final last year from 6th but again much better to finish top 4.

90.625% of teams to make the top 4 in the NRL have played a preliminary final.

5th is no where near as good as 4th.
That has a lot more to do with the quality of the teams usually in the top 4 then any magic of the position. Also our goal isn't a preliminary final, it's a grand final.
Under this system 100% of teams who lose a preliminary final miss out on the Grand Final.

Records are made to be broken but I reckon that one might hold up a bit longer.

Preliminary final is pretty important I reckon.
That week off is huge.
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Sharks:

1 - William Kennedy
2 - Nene Macdonald
3 - Mawene Hiroti
4 - Jesse Ramien
5 - Ronaldo Mulitalo
6 - Wade Graham
7 - Connor Tracey
8 - Braden Hamlin-Uele
9 - Blayke Brailey
10 - Aaron Woods
11 - Briton Nikora
12 - Siosifa Talakai
13 - Toby Rudolf

14 - Scott Sorensen
15 - Jack Williams
16 - Andrew Fifita
17 - Teig Wilton

18-21 - Billy Magoulias, Braydon Trindall, Bryson Goodwin, Daniel Vasquez

Dugan, Hunt, Johnson (season), Katoa all out.
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zim wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:15 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:13 pm
Ultima wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:10 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:02 pm Statistics don't agree with you. This finals system has been in for 8 years, therefore there have been 16 games in Week 2.

13 times out of 16 the top 4 team that has lost the first week has won the second week.

I know it is a different sport, but the AFL has had this finals system since 2000 so there is 20 years of data. In the first 14 years (2000-2013) the top 4 team won week 2 of the finals 26 times out of 28. 2014 was a total outlier in that two top 4 teams went out in straight sets and since there have been a few exceptions including the Western Bulldogs winning the premiership from 7th and GWS making the Grand final last year from 6th but again much better to finish top 4.

90.625% of teams to make the top 4 in the NRL have played a preliminary final.

5th is no where near as good as 4th.
That has a lot more to do with the quality of the teams usually in the top 4 then any magic of the position. Also our goal isn't a preliminary final, it's a grand final.
Under this system 100% of teams who lose a preliminary final miss out on the Grand Final.

Records are made to be broken but I reckon that one might hold up a bit longer.

Preliminary final is pretty important I reckon.
That week off is huge.
But we are gambling on something MAY BE working out for us and getting us a week off if we can beat Penrith in week one with tired players OR taking a 100% guaranteed week off right now.
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Don't Sportsbet provide tens of millions of dollars to the NRL for something called 'wagering and sponsorship'. V'landys will not like like this and I reckon he will see it as a stunt. The Panthers are guaranteed first place and they have not gone down this track, naming their star 6, 7 and 9. Storm have rested Cameron Smith and a number from their backline but nothing like the Raiders. To be honest, I'm disappointed the Raiders have done this. Sticky has built a 'tough but fair' culture here and I don't see this as part of that. I wonder how many beers it took for this to seem like a good idea.
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Melbourne have rested their entire backline and half of their forwards.

I'm happy with this, keen to see the young guys have a crack. I've never even heard of Adam Cook.

4th would be ideal but the Tigers are pea hearted so it's a moot point. Penrith are riding a special wave, so just because they aren't doing it doesn't mean we should. We're on a different wave.


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Ultima wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:19 pm
zim wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:15 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:13 pm
Ultima wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:10 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:02 pm Statistics don't agree with you. This finals system has been in for 8 years, therefore there have been 16 games in Week 2.

13 times out of 16 the top 4 team that has lost the first week has won the second week.

I know it is a different sport, but the AFL has had this finals system since 2000 so there is 20 years of data. In the first 14 years (2000-2013) the top 4 team won week 2 of the finals 26 times out of 28. 2014 was a total outlier in that two top 4 teams went out in straight sets and since there have been a few exceptions including the Western Bulldogs winning the premiership from 7th and GWS making the Grand final last year from 6th but again much better to finish top 4.

90.625% of teams to make the top 4 in the NRL have played a preliminary final.

5th is no where near as good as 4th.
That has a lot more to do with the quality of the teams usually in the top 4 then any magic of the position. Also our goal isn't a preliminary final, it's a grand final.
Under this system 100% of teams who lose a preliminary final miss out on the Grand Final.

Records are made to be broken but I reckon that one might hold up a bit longer.

Preliminary final is pretty important I reckon.
That week off is huge.
But we are gambling on something MAY BE working out for us and getting us a week off if we can beat Penrith in week one with tired players OR taking a 100% guaranteed week off right now.
Well maybe I should have been a little clearer. I was going to add "I wonder if anyone else thinks a week off is a good idea."
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Hazza wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:08 pm
GreenMachine wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:06 pm 1. 5th is no way better than 4th.
2. Parra won't lose so it's irrelevant.
3. Were not beating the sharks this week, however it's irrelevant.
Interesting you can confidently say a team that lost 38-0 to Souths (who have been poor since) definitely won't lose. You have more faith in them then me.
I think it says more about the lack of confidence I have with the Tigers.
It's all irrelevant as Ricky has shown his hand with the team selection and I don't mind it.
At the end of the day all roads lead to having to beat the Roosters and the Storm....whether it's in a GF qualifier or GF, we'll have to do both. When you boil it all down, that's what it comes to.
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Jake wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:27 pm Melbourne have rested their entire backline and half of their forwards.

I'm happy with this, keen to see the young guys have a crack. I've never even heard of Adam Cook.

4th would be ideal but the Tigers are pea hearted so it's a moot point. Penrith are riding a special wave, so just because they aren't doing it doesn't mean we should. We're on a different wave.
Melbourne can afford to do that. They're 2nd and can't finish any higher or lower than 2nd...
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Surprised Soliola isn't Captain..
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GreenMachine wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:35 pm
Hazza wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:08 pm
GreenMachine wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:06 pm 1. 5th is no way better than 4th.
2. Parra won't lose so it's irrelevant.
3. Were not beating the sharks this week, however it's irrelevant.
Interesting you can confidently say a team that lost 38-0 to Souths (who have been poor since) definitely won't lose. You have more faith in them then me.
I think it says more about the lack of confidence I have with the Tigers.
It's all irrelevant as Ricky has shown his hand with the team selection and I don't mind it.
At the end of the day all roads lead to having to beat the Roosters and the Storm....whether it's in a GF qualifier or GF, we'll have to do both. When you boil it all down, that's what it comes to.
Both of which we have done this year away from home
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