2020 Rd 20 V Sharks: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
9
60%
Raiders 1-12
4
27%
Draw
0
No votes
Sharks 1-12
1
7%
Sharks 13+
1
7%
 
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Lol. Ain't no one see that roll of the dice coming from Stick.

It's a solid gamble, but could be what gives us the edge over the rest.
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Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:10 pm Doesn't add a lot to the integrity of the competition.
I disagree based purely on the non-existence of 2nd tier footy this year.

How else do some of these guys get a run in case they're needed in 2 weeks?
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Sportsbet have taken the entire market of our game down to sort it out, was about to load up on the ‘outsider’ Sharks


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afgtnk wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:18 pm Lol. Ain't no one see that roll of the dice coming from Stick.

It's a solid gamble, but could be what gives us the edge over the rest.
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IBG wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:13 pm I like to think I have a decent knowledge about our lower graders, but seriously, who the hell is Adam Cook?!

I am fine with this team. If I was the Sharks I would've been telling them to bash the crap out of the Raiders this weekend so chance of injury / fatigue for Round 1. That's really their only chance at beating us. I like this and I still think our best chance is finishing 5th anyway.
He was the Under 20s player of the year for the Townsville Blackhawks last year. He was due to play NSW Cup / Jersey Flegg this year or at least I was pretty sure he was eligible for Under 20s again this year.

There were three of them that we recruited. Adrian Trevilyan and Brad Schnieder have also been back in Canberra. They are a year younger than Cook, were part of the Kirwan High team that won the National Schoolboys Cup last year.

Cook was listed as the "concussion substitute" for the first and what ended up being the only game that Mounties played this year.
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I would like to consider myself a diehard raiders fan but who the hell is Adam Cook?

He doesn’t appear to have a profile on the raiders website lol.
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Well, I can’t say I’m surprised.
It looks as if we’ll face the sharks two weeks running, so Ricky might be satisfied with taking a Loss in this match then beating them in week 1 of the finals at home.
It’s not without risk.
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hrundi89 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:19 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:10 pm Doesn't add a lot to the integrity of the competition.
I disagree based purely on the non-existence of 2nd tier footy this year.

How else do some of these guys get a run in case they're needed in 2 weeks?
Probably unlikely that Adam Cook and Jarrett Subloo are going to be needed in 2 weeks.
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Dylan’s Raiders wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:20 pm I would like to consider myself a diehard raiders fan but who the hell is Adam Cook?

He doesn’t appear to have a profile on the raiders website lol.
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The Nickman wrote:
Dylan’s Raiders wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:20 pm I would like to consider myself a diehard raiders fan but who the hell is Adam Cook?

He doesn’t appear to have a profile on the raiders website lol.
It's just going to be Charnze in a **** groucho mask, isn't it??
He did play for ‘Cook Islands’ sneaky work there Stick


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The Nickman wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:19 pm
afgtnk wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:18 pm Lol. Ain't no one see that roll of the dice coming from Stick.

It's a solid gamble, but could be what gives us the edge over the rest.
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Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:21 pm
hrundi89 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:19 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:10 pm Doesn't add a lot to the integrity of the competition.
I disagree based purely on the non-existence of 2nd tier footy this year.

How else do some of these guys get a run in case they're needed in 2 weeks?
Probably unlikely that Adam Cook and Jarrett Subloo are going to be needed in 2 weeks.
Who knows though, right? Right? Right? Right? Right? Right? Right?

The forward pack is 1st grade.
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Who the **** is this ****?!?

Welcome back to the channel, thanks for joining us here on WTFITC.

This week, we've got a special double edition! And we have we have not one but TWO questions to ask...

Adam Cook?
Jarrett Subloo?

Who the **** are these ****?!

Thanks everyone, see you next week!
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I think staying at home for the next few weeks and steeling ourselves for a few big weeks away is probably the safest option.

Sharks bashing our key players wouldn’t have been out of the question.
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Botman wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:13 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:10 pm In this case our opposition can only finish 8th, but if Cronulla were playing for a finals spot, the other clubs around them would have an argument to be aggrieved.
I dont think you as a team or fan base earn the right to complain about a team doing what they feel is best for them, because you couldnt win enough games to keep destiny in your own hands.
Once you leave it to others to help you out, i couldnt give faintest **** about how "aggrieved" you feel.
I am not saying that it is the wrong thing for the Raiders to do. I am just saying that I think it harms the integrity of the comp.

As I say, there is a clear precedent for this. It used to happen exactly like this in the AFL. The Fremantle Dockers I think left out 11 players one year. The AFL weren't comfortable with it, but the issue is all of these players probably have some sort of injury - clearly not enough to stop them playing a final but some sort of niggle, so they couldn't do anything about it. So the AFL changed the rules and had a week off before the finals. Even in this crazy season where they shortened the game and got them to play every few days, they are still having the week off this week.

It has to be a consideration going forward.
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Botman wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:24 pm Who the **** is this ****?!?

Welcome back to the channel, thanks for joining us here on WTFITC.

This week, we've got a special double edition! And we have we have not one but TWO questions to ask...

Adam Cook?
Jarrett Subloo?

Who the **** are these ****?!

Thanks everyone, see you next week!
Although he's named 18th man, I've got no idea who Ata Mariota is either
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Rest Lui and give Mariota a run

Poor bloke will be the only one in the whole **** squad who hasn't played a game this year

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It's ok guys I found out heaps more on Adam Cook.

https://www.raiders.com.au/teams/jersey ... adam-cook/

Mystery solved.

Looks a tad shady though, might be hard to spot at night...
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Botman wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:24 pm Who the **** is this ****?!?

Welcome back to the channel, thanks for joining us here on WTFITC.

This week, we've got a special double edition! And we have we have not one but TWO questions to ask...

Adam Cook?
Jarrett Subloo?

Who the **** are these ****?!

Thanks everyone, see you next week!
I have made a comment about Cook. Subloo has been with us in the juniors for a couple of years. Was part of Jersey Flegg last year until getting hurt with about 6 weeks to go and missing the finals. Probably not totally dissimilar to Wighton - big bodied five eigth.
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Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:25 pm
Botman wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:13 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:10 pm In this case our opposition can only finish 8th, but if Cronulla were playing for a finals spot, the other clubs around them would have an argument to be aggrieved.
I dont think you as a team or fan base earn the right to complain about a team doing what they feel is best for them, because you couldnt win enough games to keep destiny in your own hands.
Once you leave it to others to help you out, i couldnt give faintest **** about how "aggrieved" you feel.
I am not saying that it is the wrong thing for the Raiders to do. I am just saying that I think it harms the integrity of the comp.

As I say, there is a clear precedent for this. It used to happen exactly like this in the AFL. The Fremantle Dockers I think left out 11 players one year. The AFL weren't comfortable with it, but the issue is all of these players probably have some sort of injury - clearly not enough to stop them playing a final but some sort of niggle, so they couldn't do anything about it. So the AFL changed the rules and had a week off before the finals. Even in this crazy season where they shortened the game and got them to play every few days, they are still having the week off this week.

It has to be a consideration going forward.
I mean, the fact that Sportsbet had to suspend their odds tells you just how **** a situation this is.
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IBG wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:27 pm It's ok guys I found out heaps more on Adam Cook.

https://www.raiders.com.au/teams/jersey ... adam-cook/

Mystery solved.

Looks a tad shady though, might be hard to spot at night...
If you want the one with photo here it is.
https://www.nrl.com/players/intrust-sup ... adam-cook/
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-TW- wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:27 pm Rest Lui and give Mariota a run

Poor bloke will be the only one in the whole **** squad who hasn't played a game this year
That mullet deserves a crack.
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I do wonder if Stick is gonna pull a some sort of smokescreen though and bring in 2-3 of the regulars in late, to better the chances of grabbing a win. 3D - no. 4D? No. He playing 5D chess here
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absolutely love this lineup.
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The Nickman wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:28 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:25 pm
Botman wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:13 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:10 pm In this case our opposition can only finish 8th, but if Cronulla were playing for a finals spot, the other clubs around them would have an argument to be aggrieved.
I dont think you as a team or fan base earn the right to complain about a team doing what they feel is best for them, because you couldnt win enough games to keep destiny in your own hands.
Once you leave it to others to help you out, i couldnt give faintest **** about how "aggrieved" you feel.
I am not saying that it is the wrong thing for the Raiders to do. I am just saying that I think it harms the integrity of the comp.

As I say, there is a clear precedent for this. It used to happen exactly like this in the AFL. The Fremantle Dockers I think left out 11 players one year. The AFL weren't comfortable with it, but the issue is all of these players probably have some sort of injury - clearly not enough to stop them playing a final but some sort of niggle, so they couldn't do anything about it. So the AFL changed the rules and had a week off before the finals. Even in this crazy season where they shortened the game and got them to play every few days, they are still having the week off this week.

It has to be a consideration going forward.
I mean, the fact that Sportsbet had to suspend their odds tells you just how **** a situation this is.
its actually a bit more that that Nickman - I think Mr V'Landys who knows a bit about sports that involve betting might have something to say about it.
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All memes aside I actually really do like this move. Will be cheering hard for us to sneak away with the win. Imagine the morale boost leading into the finals for the club!


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Wow. :lol: Can't say I've ever seen that before.

9 blokes who have hardly played a game all season. This will test their fitness.

Both Starling and Havili starting too (on paper). This could get messy by the end of the game.
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afgtnk wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:29 pm I do wonder if Stick is gonna pull a some sort of smokescreen though and bring in 2-3 of the regulars in late, to better the chances of grabbing a win. 3D - no. 4D? No. He playing 5D chess here
No they have named Tapine, Whitehead and Wighton as reserves because we literally have no more fit players inside the bubble.

It was either them or Stuart, McFadden and White on the reserves bench.
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Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:25 pm
Botman wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:13 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:10 pm In this case our opposition can only finish 8th, but if Cronulla were playing for a finals spot, the other clubs around them would have an argument to be aggrieved.
I dont think you as a team or fan base earn the right to complain about a team doing what they feel is best for them, because you couldnt win enough games to keep destiny in your own hands.
Once you leave it to others to help you out, i couldnt give faintest **** about how "aggrieved" you feel.
I am not saying that it is the wrong thing for the Raiders to do. I am just saying that I think it harms the integrity of the comp.

As I say, there is a clear precedent for this. It used to happen exactly like this in the AFL. The Fremantle Dockers I think left out 11 players one year. The AFL weren't comfortable with it, but the issue is all of these players probably have some sort of injury - clearly not enough to stop them playing a final but some sort of niggle, so they couldn't do anything about it. So the AFL changed the rules and had a week off before the finals. Even in this crazy season where they shortened the game and got them to play every few days, they are still having the week off this week.

It has to be a consideration going forward.
The argument you made was that a team vying for a top 8 spot and needing a sharks loss would have an argument to feel aggrieved. Im saying they dont have that right, and they lose that right the moment they dont stack enough wins to keep their destiny in their own hands. I dont think we should be changing the structure of our competition to appease bad teams unless this became a norm in the code (which it hasnt been, in fact i dont recall seeing anything like this before) and not just a one off in a very strange sports year where Stuart can plausibly say "we have very little to play for and i need to put miles on these guys legs in case we have injuries and i need to use one of them"

As for the integrity of the game, lets start with TPA and the general salary cap loopholes that impact every game, every week, every year, and then work our way down to playing kids in dead rubber games
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Botman wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:33 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:25 pm
Botman wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:13 pm
Bay53 wrote: September 22, 2020, 4:10 pm In this case our opposition can only finish 8th, but if Cronulla were playing for a finals spot, the other clubs around them would have an argument to be aggrieved.
I dont think you as a team or fan base earn the right to complain about a team doing what they feel is best for them, because you couldnt win enough games to keep destiny in your own hands.
Once you leave it to others to help you out, i couldnt give faintest **** about how "aggrieved" you feel.
I am not saying that it is the wrong thing for the Raiders to do. I am just saying that I think it harms the integrity of the comp.

As I say, there is a clear precedent for this. It used to happen exactly like this in the AFL. The Fremantle Dockers I think left out 11 players one year. The AFL weren't comfortable with it, but the issue is all of these players probably have some sort of injury - clearly not enough to stop them playing a final but some sort of niggle, so they couldn't do anything about it. So the AFL changed the rules and had a week off before the finals. Even in this crazy season where they shortened the game and got them to play every few days, they are still having the week off this week.

It has to be a consideration going forward.
The argument you made was that a team vying for a top 8 spot and needing a sharks loss would have an argument to feel aggrieved. Im saying they dont have that right, and they lose that right the moment they dont stack enough wins to keep their destiny in their own hands. I dont think we should be changing the structure of our competition to appease bad teams unless this became a norm in the code (which it hasnt been, in fact i dont recall seeing anything like this before) and not just a one off in a very strange sports year where Stuart can plausibly say "we have very little to play for and i need to put miles on these guys legs in case we have injuries and i need to use one of them"

As for the integrity of the game, lets start with TPA and the general salary cap loopholes that impact every game, every week, every year, and then work our way down to playing kids in dead rubber games
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IBG wrote:It's ok guys I found out heaps more on Adam Cook.

https://www.raiders.com.au/teams/jersey ... adam-cook/

Mystery solved.

Looks a tad shady though, might be hard to spot at night...
I’ve heard he’s a shadow of his former self.
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