Is it time to replace Brett White as attacking coach??

Raidernation · Post by **Raidernation** » July 15, 2020, 11:37 am

Are there any notable attacking coaches out there or would a dean pay back to defensive coach and Andrew McFadden to attacking coach work?

Post by **greeneyed** » July 15, 2020, 11:39 am

Last time, I heard, Ricky Stuart had the reins as the attacking coach. White was working with McFadden on the defence. Maybe a new topic title needed?

GMGT · Post by **GMGT** » July 15, 2020, 11:43 am

Whitey hasn't been the attacking coach for YONKS

Raider Azz · Post by **Raider Azz** » July 15, 2020, 12:26 pm

FuiFui BradBrad · Post by **FuiFui BradBrad** » July 15, 2020, 12:34 pm

greeneyed wrote: ↑July 15, 2020, 11:39 am Last time, I heard, Ricky Stuart had the reins as the attacking coach. White was working with McFadden on the defence. Maybe a new topic title needed?

So job done. To answer the OP - Yes and its been done

afgtnk · Post by **afgtnk** » July 15, 2020, 1:09 pm

greeneyed wrote: ↑July 15, 2020, 11:39 am Last time, I heard, Ricky Stuart had the reins as the attacking coach. White was working with McFadden on the defence. Maybe a new topic title needed?

Interesting if that is is the case.

Years ago Phil Gould went on record saying that Stick always needed help in coaching attack and had issues in swallowing his pride regarding it. May explain what we're seeing this season.

zim · Post by **zim** » July 15, 2020, 1:22 pm

He was the attacking coach last year too. Ever since McFadden has been here stick has been the attacking coach.

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » July 15, 2020, 2:28 pm

Whitey is the forwards coach, i think he's doing a terrific job too with the way these young fellas have come on, Guler and Horsburgh both Betty White projects

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gerg · Post by **gerg** » July 15, 2020, 4:01 pm

I think the time to question who our coaches should be is after we have done poorly for several seasons and probably not the season following a grand final appearance.

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Rickmando · Post by **Rickmando** » July 15, 2020, 4:12 pm

greeneyed wrote: ↑July 15, 2020, 11:39 am Last time, I heard, Ricky Stuart had the reins as the attacking coach. White was working with McFadden on the defence. Maybe a new topic title needed?

If this is the case, then I’m all for replacing the attacking coach

Finchy · Post by **Finchy** » July 15, 2020, 4:51 pm

Apparently Trent Barrett transformed Penrith's attack this year. Whilst he wouldn't come here, I think we need someone like him to come in and change things up a bit. Can we get Crawley back?

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » July 15, 2020, 4:58 pm

Finchy wrote:Apparently Trent Barrett transformed Penrith's attack this year. Whilst he wouldn't come here, I think we need someone like him to come in and change things up a bit. Can we get Crawley back?

As Barrett is the 2nd best #6 to come out of Temora we could always get the best

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LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 15, 2020, 5:40 pm

afgtnk wrote:
greeneyed wrote: ↑July 15, 2020, 11:39 am Last time, I heard, Ricky Stuart had the reins as the attacking coach. White was working with McFadden on the defence. Maybe a new topic title needed?
Interesting if that is is the case.

Years ago Phil Gould went on record saying that Stick always needed help in coaching attack and had issues in swallowing his pride regarding it. May explain what we're seeing this season.

Yeah my Roosters contacts said the same when he first started coaching

hrundi89 · Post by **hrundi89** » July 15, 2020, 7:03 pm

bonehead wrote: ↑July 15, 2020, 4:58 pm
Finchy wrote:Apparently Trent Barrett transformed Penrith's attack this year. Whilst he wouldn't come here, I think we need someone like him to come in and change things up a bit. Can we get Crawley back?
As Barrett is the 2nd best #6 to come out of Temora we could always get the best

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Who is that?

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » July 15, 2020, 9:21 pm

hrundi89 wrote:
bonehead wrote: ↑July 15, 2020, 4:58 pm
Finchy wrote:Apparently Trent Barrett transformed Penrith's attack this year. Whilst he wouldn't come here, I think we need someone like him to come in and change things up a bit. Can we get Crawley back?
As Barrett is the 2nd best #6 to come out of Temora we could always get the best

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Who is that?

The greatest 6 to ever rise from Temora, the man the myth the mouthguard Mcrone

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BJ · Post by BJ » July 16, 2020, 10:34 am

Whilst Trent Barrett used his head to outwit his opponents, the great Josh Mccrone used other people’s heads to score tries. Enough said really.

hrundi89 · Post by **hrundi89** » July 16, 2020, 10:35 am

bonehead wrote: ↑July 15, 2020, 9:21 pm
hrundi89 wrote:
bonehead wrote: ↑July 15, 2020, 4:58 pm
Finchy wrote:Apparently Trent Barrett transformed Penrith's attack this year. Whilst he wouldn't come here, I think we need someone like him to come in and change things up a bit. Can we get Crawley back?
As Barrett is the 2nd best #6 to come out of Temora we could always get the best

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Who is that?
The greatest 6 to ever rise from Temora, the man the myth the mouthguard Mcrone

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He's busy with my beloved Wolfpack.

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » August 9, 2020, 8:13 am

How long must we put up with Ricky as attacking coach? We have the worst attack in competition by far! Even the bulldogs can run a better set of 6 when attacking the try line.

We are **** terrible! I bet teams are just not worried one bit about our attack. “The game plan would be don’t let Papa run, kick high to CNK and move up in a line, the backs will simply run sideways into touch”

Dr Zaius · Post by **Dr Zaius** » August 9, 2020, 8:23 am

It doesn't make pretty viewing

Mickey_Raider · Post by **Mickey_Raider** » August 9, 2020, 9:27 am

If Ricky is the sole purveyor of Raiders attacking product then he needs to bring someone in to help or take over ASAP.

I think with the cattle we have we are squandering a premiership window whilst we continue to regard attack as an afterthought.

Northern Raider · Post by **Northern Raider** » August 9, 2020, 11:29 am

Said before, I'd love to see Dave Furner come back as an assistant. For all his faults he's shown to be a very good tactical coach. Is that bridge completely burnt?

woppadingo · Post by **woppadingo** » August 9, 2020, 12:13 pm

Northern Raider wrote: ↑August 9, 2020, 11:29 am Said before, I'd love to see Dave Furner come back as an assistant. For all his faults he's shown to be a very good tactical coach. Is that bridge completely burnt?

I doubt it. I think there will always be the possibility of Dave Furner having some future role in the club. Sometime down the track... Not sure about him as an attacking coach though. There are possibly others who are better.

benda · Post by **benda** » August 9, 2020, 12:27 pm

Stuart has done a great job transforming this club. We forget that.

To process to get better will be one that may evolve and if what is being said here is true (he isnt a great attacking coach) then im pretty confident Stuart would swallow his pride if he runs out of ideas or progress isnt being made.

We simply are too predictable in attack and its been a problem all season. Point is im sure Stuart knows and wont rest until its fixed.

benda · Post by **benda** » August 9, 2020, 12:29 pm

I wonder if Bellamy would join the Raiders coaching staff once his contract is up?

benda · Post by **benda** » August 9, 2020, 12:31 pm

Northern Raider wrote: ↑August 9, 2020, 11:29 am Said before, I'd love to see Dave Furner come back as an assistant. For all his faults he's shown to be a very good tactical coach. Is that bridge completely burnt?

I like the idea. I always felt had a good eye for talent but for whatever reason lacked leadership and also stuck with some players that wouldnt have held their positions in any other nrl club but played week in week out for us.

Hong Kong Raider · Post by **Hong Kong Raider** » August 9, 2020, 5:18 pm

It's time to hire a good attacking coach!!!!!

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » August 9, 2020, 5:27 pm

Is it a budget thing do you think? Perhaps we can’t afford to buy an attacking coach?

Brew · Post by **Brew** » August 9, 2020, 6:09 pm

benda wrote:I wonder if Bellamy would join the Raiders coaching staff once his contract is up?

Haha I mentioned this on Social Media before, let’s just have both of them and become a Super Club.

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cat · Post by **cat** » August 9, 2020, 6:53 pm

I think Mickey Ennis was helping a lot with the attacking stuff last season and he has been limited this season due to the bubble restrictions.

I also think the continual change to the bench and backs doesnt help

RichmondRaider · Post by **RichmondRaider** » August 10, 2020, 4:41 pm

The effort from our team is great. Individual performances were good on the weekend. Our attack stinks.

amiafish · Post by **amiafish** » August 10, 2020, 8:21 pm

It's partly a tactical issue (well documented on this forum...too much one-out crash-ball, predictable sweep plays, not enough edge runners running good lines into holes) and is also a personnel issue. Curtis Scott is not the player recruiting staff obviously thought he was, Rapana and Croker have slowed significantly, Simonsson is out, and Ricky is inexplicably refusing to play our fastest player, Harley Smith-Shields.

Last year, we didn't have a great attacking plan either...but last year we didn't have the 6 again rule, and we didn't have the injury outs we have this year, and we still had BJ (who for all his rocks, still gave us much-needed diamonds every so often), and Jack at 5/8 and CNK at FB were unknown propositions for opposition defenses.

We needed to adapt to these altered circumstances this year. So far we haven't. Our determination in defense is keeping us in the hunt, but our attacking play is truly abysmal.

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » August 11, 2020, 1:08 pm

amiafish wrote:It's partly a tactical issue (well documented on this forum...too much one-out crash-ball, predictable sweep plays, not enough edge runners running good lines into holes) and is also a personnel issue. Curtis Scott is not the player recruiting staff obviously thought he was, Rapana and Croker have slowed significantly, Simonsson is out, and Ricky is inexplicably refusing to play our fastest player, Harley Smith-Shields.

Last year, we didn't have a great attacking plan either...but last year we didn't have the 6 again rule, and we didn't have the injury outs we have this year, and we still had BJ (who for all his rocks, still gave us much-needed diamonds every so often), and Jack at 5/8 and CNK at FB were unknown propositions for opposition defenses.

We needed to adapt to these altered circumstances this year. So far we haven't. Our determination in defense is keeping us in the hunt, but our attacking play is truly abysmal.

Yeah the 6 again rule definitely has not helped our style of play. As someone mentioned on this forum before, you need score another 6 points then you did last year and unfortunately we just don’t have it in us

Raiders_Pat · Post by **Raiders_Pat** » August 11, 2020, 2:56 pm

I don't know how he would feel about accepting an assistant coaching role but it wouldn't be the worst idea to bring in somebody like Paul Green. He's a good coach imo who has been quite unlucky with injuries and other circumstances since he won a premiership. I believe he also started his coaching career as a halves/hooker specialist coach. Maybe this isn't the answer but we definitely need to improve on our attack.

Seiffert82 · Post by **Seiffert82** » August 11, 2020, 3:06 pm

I'm not saying things don't need to be looked at, because you should always be looking to improve, but we did get over the line more times than Penrith on the weekend.

It's weird at times. Almost like overplaying to our strengths, Hodgo dominating the ball, Jack and George running too much before passing, crash balls to Papa.

I'll say it again, we are often way too impatient with the ball. It makes us too predictable. Good teams don't lose their **** when they don't score after a couple of sets at the line.

Raiders_Pat · Post by **Raiders_Pat** » August 11, 2020, 3:50 pm

Seiffert82 wrote: ↑August 11, 2020, 3:06 pm I'll say it again, we are often way too impatient with the ball. It makes us too predictable. Good teams don't lose their **** when they don't score after a couple of sets at the line.

Agree with this 100%.

On top of being impatient, our side is stacked with confidence players. I think this is why we rarely blow teams off the park... we seem to implode a little when things aren't going our way. Still, our attacking structure is poor and could definitely see some improvement.