2020 Rd 10 V Roosters: Game Day

[Northern Raider]

That win was immense. Reminds me of a Raiders win against the chooks about 20 years ago when Jason Croker played with a torn ACL.

Jarrod*

No it was Jason. The bench was down to one player by half time. From memory that was his last game for the season because of it.

Thanks dubs

[bonehead]

Holy **** Brandy brought up that Croker was ruled to have played at the ball when he turned his back, but that Cordner was ruled not to have! Wow!

I can not stand listening to brandy's dribble. Every chance he gets to say something negative about the raiders, and he takes it!

I constantly say shut up Brandy BUT that was actually insightful, he said the ref ruled against croker because he jumped as he turned his back whereas cordner just turned his back, the point brandy made was that by jumping croker had a sense that he was going impact the ball. Cordner simply turning his back is an act of self defence.

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[pacman]

Was a great win and boy did we need it. But unlike some people here, I think it's pretty clear there is still a lot to work on and that was not a pretty win. A gutsy win let's say.

Two main problem areas for mine were again the majority of the game with one dimensional attack (especially first half) which gave us so little metres and forced us to defend in our half for ages. We started to spread it more in the second but this needs to be the norm.

Other area was 6th tackle options. The no kick tactic at the end especially was so frustrating. Inviting them back into it over and over. Is there that little confidence in the kickers that they are too scared to give away a 7 tackle set? Need to use Williams in that scenario more. It's cost us so much in the past and will continue to.

Otherwise, great defence and great determination. Some of the guys really stepped up unexpectedly e.g. Lui, Starling which was pleasing so need to build on this for next week!

Jesus christ, can you not just enjoy one of the best wins in recent history? No matter what we do it's never good enough for the people on this site. If we won the premiership people would be saying "papalii didn't do enough, charnze should of passed more, our performance wasn't good enough" etc etc etc.

Did you seriously expect a perfect, polished performance given the circumstances? We went above and beyond to play the way we did and we still have people here who want to complain. Good **** grief.

For the record, I don't know If you realised but handing over the ball on the last tackle mere metres or inches from their line is a TACTIC. It forces the opposition to do the hard yards when the pressure is on them and with the clock counting down. I was actually really happy every time we did that at the end, it what you should be doing.

I'm glad you're content with a one off win against a team that played well below their average but I'd like to see some consistency and improvement if we're going to challenge this year. I applauded the team and added constructive criticism to discuss on the forum. If you want to fangirl over a single win, go to facebook.

Very much disagree with the last tackle TACTIC - Roosters sure looked like they would take advantage if not for a few errors. But each to their own.

[amiafish]

There's no need to be an "all or nothing" thinker on this. It is perfectly possible to enjoy the crap out of this win, while at the same time acknowledging some home truths:

(1) The conditions last night were the least favorable for the Roosters style (quick hands, high-risk passes) and most favorable for the Raiders (one-out power running, defending to the death). Play that game at 2:00pm on a Sunday afternoon and a lot of those balls that they spilled on our edges go to hand, and they win.
(2) The Rooster did not turn up with their normal intensity. They failed to adjust to the conditions, didn't turn up in defence. Fix either of those two things, and they win.
(3) Our edge defence was poor. Croker is simply too fragile a defender at this stage in his career...he either rushes up and misses the tackle (e.g. the Roosters' first try) or he backs off and his outside men feel the need to turn in to help him (e.g. the Roosters' second try). This isn't to say that it's his fault that his winger doesn't trust him, but it shows what his teammates feel about his defence. Rapana's defence is at an all time low. He was a turnstile last night, with tackling technique that was not up to Canterbury Cup standard, let alone NRL.
(4) Rapana is lame. His knee is preventing him from stretching out beyond about 80%. I am glad, for his sake, that he didn't take an intercept and be required to run 60+ metres...it would have been embarrassing for him. Given, our stocks in the outside backs are thin what with all the injuries, but carrying an obviously injured player is always going to be a liability that other teams exploit. Rapana is as far away today from his 2016 version as any player in our side is away from their best version.
(5) CNK is still killing every sweep play dead. He runs too wide, too sideways...stealing the space and time from his outside men. Last night he botched a probable try by holding the ball when he had an unmarked Cotric on his outside. He is a player with wonderful heart, good footwork, and decent pace...but he needs to be used differently to a traditional fullback in the sweep plays. What he's doing now is simply counterproductive for our team.
(6) We don't have enough bodies in motion with the ball. Not enough decoys, support runners offering different lines, or people trailing the ball. Too many people just watching their teammates take the ball, and preparing for their run next play. Compares this to the Roosters (not last night), Parra, and Penrith, where there are bodies in motion all over the place. Stick needs to give his players some more options in attack...that's his job.

That being said:

(7) We continue to play with Premiership-level heart and determination. Skill and tactics are not everything. You need to want to play for your teammates and for your coach...and this team has that in spades. If we give ourselevs a chance in big games, this factor can carry us to wins that would elude other less motivated outfits.
(8) Jack and George are potentially a Premiership winning halves combination. Jack has the long kick covered, George has a superb short kick, and both of them are international-class runners of the ball. If Starling and Liva continue to give them good service (that Hodgo seemed unwilling to do over the last few weeks), they will only get better.
(9) Tapine is finding a new level. Intensity is up, he is offloading the ball (e.g. Lui's try), and he is defending well in the middle. We needed him to rise to meet his obvious potential and it looks as if he is beginning to do that.
(10) Young, O'Donnell, Starling are all looking like excellent prospects. They play with enthusiasm, and look likely to improve as the season unfolds.
(11) Papaali is a world class middle who is sneaky-good. He doesn't beat you with Haas' size and speed or with JWH's aggression...he does it with consistent smart play and game-winning barnstorming runs when you need them.
(12) Lui has come back from his dropping playing with renewed vigor and verve. His steals last night were arguably the X-factor difference between the two sides.
(13) If we can hold on through the next few weeks, we will get some big players back just when we need them most (Bateman, Horse, Guler). Other teams may suffer the reverse situation, which will be to our advantage come finals time.

And seriously, if you think that a forum like this is not the place for people to analyse the game and offer input on how we can be better, maybe you should stay off the computer and just hang out with other cheering fans at the pub or the game. We all love the Raiders, and nobody should try to shut down constructive criticism intended to improve the side just because they would rather bask in the glow of a victory.

[Dusty]

The tactic of not kickng on the last was a good one under the circumstances.
- It eliminates the possibility of a 20m restart/7 tackle set.
- Wastes a few seconds
- Allows us to get our defensive line set and in order
- Gives Tedesco one less chance to destroy a broken kick chase D line.

Well played.

[GMGT]

Was a great win and boy did we need it. But unlike some people here, I think it's pretty clear there is still a lot to work on and that was not a pretty win. A gutsy win let's say.

Two main problem areas for mine were again the majority of the game with one dimensional attack (especially first half) which gave us so little metres and forced us to defend in our half for ages. We started to spread it more in the second but this needs to be the norm.

Other area was 6th tackle options. The no kick tactic at the end especially was so frustrating. Inviting them back into it over and over. Is there that little confidence in the kickers that they are too scared to give away a 7 tackle set? Need to use Williams in that scenario more. It's cost us so much in the past and will continue to.

Otherwise, great defence and great determination. Some of the guys really stepped up unexpectedly e.g. Lui, Starling which was pleasing so need to build on this for next week!

Jesus christ, can you not just enjoy one of the best wins in recent history? No matter what we do it's never good enough for the people on this site. If we won the premiership people would be saying "papalii didn't do enough, charnze should of passed more, our performance wasn't good enough" etc etc etc.

Did you seriously expect a perfect, polished performance given the circumstances? We went above and beyond to play the way we did and we still have people here who want to complain. Good **** grief.

For the record, I don't know If you realised but handing over the ball on the last tackle mere metres or inches from their line is a TACTIC. It forces the opposition to do the hard yards when the pressure is on them and with the clock counting down. I was actually really happy every time we did that at the end, it what you should be doing.

I'm glad you're content with a one off win against a team that played well below their average but I'd like to see some consistency and improvement if we're going to challenge this year. I applauded the team and added constructive criticism to discuss on the forum. If you want to fangirl over a single win, go to facebook.

Very much disagree with the last tackle TACTIC - Roosters sure looked like they would take advantage if not for a few errors. But each to their own.

one off win against a team that played well below their average? You are so far off the mark it's quite hilarious. You also still clearly dont understand the tactic on last tackle, but that's okay.. you don't seem to know what a good win looks like either.

EDIT

[GMGT]

The tactic of not kickng on the last was a good one under the circumstances.
- It eliminates the possibility of a 20m restart/7 tackle set.
- Wastes a few seconds
- Allows us to get our defensive line set and in order
- Gives Tedesco one less chance to destroy a broken kick chase D line.

Well played.

Thank you Dusty! That is some incredible logic you have applied there! At least someone gets it.

[zim]

They had double our errors and completed at 65%. Anyone should be able to take a look at that and figure out the Roosters weren't at their best even if you didn't watch the game.
In the same way they should be able to enjoy the win because we had so many injuries and the short turn around. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[radicalraider]

Not sure if anyone else has noticed but, in the last few weeks I've noticed Cotric take first contact on the opposing centre. It happened again last night on Manu. Although it Maybe a defensive strategy from RS hence why he hasn't moved him to right centre, not sure if that's the reason as Wighton does the same on a lot of occasions. The other reason for not moving Cotric could be due to the chemistry in attack definitely not defence.
Just trying to get my head around why coach hasn't moved Cotric.
Also RS gave post-game hugs to our players post game and I watched him barely hug Cotric or make any eye contact. Maybe until he re-signs.

AND he signed with dogs.. confirms my thoughts..

[radicalraider]

Also how good are our two error enforcement strategies.
1. We saw Jack and Croker strike hard on the arm/ball in a tackling act which forced crucial errors on Manu and Morris.
2. Lui our new stripper!

[GMGT]

There's no need to be an "all or nothing" thinker on this. It is perfectly possible to enjoy the crap out of this win, while at the same time acknowledging some home truths:

(1) The conditions last night were the least favorable for the Roosters style (quick hands, high-risk passes) and most favorable for the Raiders (one-out power running, defending to the death). Play that game at 2:00pm on a Sunday afternoon and a lot of those balls that they spilled on our edges go to hand, and they win.
(2) The Rooster did not turn up with their normal intensity. They failed to adjust to the conditions, didn't turn up in defence. Fix either of those two things, and they win.
(3) Our edge defence was poor. Croker is simply too fragile a defender at this stage in his career...he either rushes up and misses the tackle (e.g. the Roosters' first try) or he backs off and his outside men feel the need to turn in to help him (e.g. the Roosters' second try). This isn't to say that it's his fault that his winger doesn't trust him, but it shows what his teammates feel about his defence. Rapana's defence is at an all time low. He was a turnstile last night, with tackling technique that was not up to Canterbury Cup standard, let alone NRL.
(4) Rapana is lame. His knee is preventing him from stretching out beyond about 80%. I am glad, for his sake, that he didn't take an intercept and be required to run 60+ metres...it would have been embarrassing for him. Given, our stocks in the outside backs are thin what with all the injuries, but carrying an obviously injured player is always going to be a liability that other teams exploit. Rapana is as far away today from his 2016 version as any player in our side is away from their best version.
(5) CNK is still killing every sweep play dead. He runs too wide, too sideways...stealing the space and time from his outside men. Last night he botched a probable try by holding the ball when he had an unmarked Cotric on his outside. He is a player with wonderful heart, good footwork, and decent pace...but he needs to be used differently to a traditional fullback in the sweep plays. What he's doing now is simply counterproductive for our team.
(6) We don't have enough bodies in motion with the ball. Not enough decoys, support runners offering different lines, or people trailing the ball. Too many people just watching their teammates take the ball, and preparing for their run next play. Compares this to the Roosters (not last night), Parra, and Penrith, where there are bodies in motion all over the place. Stick needs to give his players some more options in attack...that's his job.

That being said:

(6) We continue to play with Premiership-level heart and determination. Skill and tactics are not everything. You need to want to play for your teammates and for your coach...and this team has that in spades. If we give ourselevs a chance in big games, this factor can carry us to wins that would elude other less motivated outfits.
(7) Jack and George are potentially a Premiership winning halves combination. Jack has the long kick covered, George has a super short kick, and both of them are international-class runners of the ball. If Starling and Liva continue to give them good service (that Hodgo seemed unwilling to do ove the last few weeks), they will only get better.
(8) Tapine is finding a new level. Intensity is up, he is offloading the ball (e.g. Lui's try), and he is defending well in the middle. We needed him to rise to meet his obvious potential and it looks as if he is beginning to do that.
(9) Young, O'Donnell, Starling are all looking like excellent prospects. They play with enthusiasm, and look likely to improve as the season unfolds.
(10) Papaali is a world class middle who is sneaky-good. He doesn't beat you with Haas' size and speed or with JWH's aggression...he does it with consistent smart play and game-winning barnstorming runs when you need them.
(11) Lui has come back from his dropping playing with renewed vigor and verve. His steals last night were arguably the X-factor difference between the two sides.
(12) If we can hold on through the next few weeks, we will get some big players back just when we need them most (Bateman, Horse, Guler). Other teams may suffer the reverse situation, which will be to our advantage come finals time.

And seriously, if you think that a forum like this is not the place for people to analyse the game and offer input on how we can be better, maybe you should stay off the computer and just hang out with other cheering fans at the pub or the game. We all love the Raiders, and nobody should try to shut down constructive criticism intended to improve the side just because they would rather bask in the glow of a victory.

Points 1-6 are hugely questionable. The one about papa is dead wrong too. He doesn't beat you with size, aggression and speed? Ah.... yeah, yeah he does. He just comes with an added bonus of consistent smart plays and barnstorming runs when we need them most.

[amiafish]

The tactic of not kickng on the last was a good one under the circumstances.
- It eliminates the possibility of a 20m restart/7 tackle set.
- Wastes a few seconds
- Allows us to get our defensive line set and in order
- Gives Tedesco one less chance to destroy a broken kick chase D line.

Well played.

With Williams as kicker, we can do better (Sezer, not so much!).

Williams doesn't have to grubber it into the in-goal...he has proved time and time again that he is adept at the cross-field kick. If he pops it a metre or two in front of the tryline, that eliminates the risk of a 20m restart, gives us a chance at a try (or a push-back into the in-goal if they collect it), and places the ball at the same area even if they do successfully collect it and stay in the field of play. Very little risk of a broken-field situation with a pin-point kick (as compared to a mid-field bomb, for example). The no-kick option just doesn't have enough up-side compared to other options.

Also, the no-kick option may be good against low-strike teams, but not so good against teams that can score from anywhere (like the Roosters). Field position is not the only thing that matters in defence...an unbroken line and working together as a defensive unit is much more important.

[zim]

Also how good are our two error enforcement strategies.
1. We saw Jack and Croker strike hard on the arm/ball in a tackling act which forced crucial errors on Manu and Morris.
2. Lui our new stripper!

There was a lot of smart play in that game. We saw them grounding the ball too instead of trying to knock it out. Quite a big turn around in a short week.

[afgtnk]

That win was immense. Reminds me of a Raiders win against the chooks about 20 years ago when Jason Croker played with a torn ACL.

Jarrod*

No it was Jason. The bench was down to one player by half time. From memory that was his last game for the season because of it.

Thanks dubs

[GMGT]

The tactic of not kickng on the last was a good one under the circumstances.
- It eliminates the possibility of a 20m restart/7 tackle set.
- Wastes a few seconds
- Allows us to get our defensive line set and in order
- Gives Tedesco one less chance to destroy a broken kick chase D line.

Well played.

With Williams as kicker, we can do better (Sezer, not so much!).

Williams doesn't have to grubber it into the in-goal...he has proved time and time again that he is adept at the cross-field kick. If he pops it a metre or two in front of the tryline, that eliminates the risk of a 20m restart, gives us a chance at a try (or a push-back into the in-goal if they collect it), and places the ball at the same area even if they do successfully collect it and stay in the field of play. Very little risk of a broken-field situation with a pin-point kick (as compared to a mid-field bomb, for example). The no-kick option just doesn't have enough up-side compared to other options.

Also, the no-kick option may be good against low-strike teams, but not so good against teams that can score from anywhere (like the Roosters). Field position is not the only thing that matters in defence...an unbroken line and working together as a defensive unit is much more important.

Oh yeah that all sounds well and good until James **** tedesco plucks it out of the air, steps a few blokes and runs the length of the field to win the game for the roosters in the dying minutes

Edit: why would it be more effective against "low strike teams" the whole reason of doing it is so that the "high strike teams" don't snatch the ball out of no where and run the length in the dying seconds or minutes to win the game.
You use this tactic so teams DON'T score from anywhere and so you DON'T have a broken defensive line. It must be rocket science.

[Dusty]

The tactic of not kickng on the last was a good one under the circumstances.
- It eliminates the possibility of a 20m restart/7 tackle set.
- Wastes a few seconds
- Allows us to get our defensive line set and in order
- Gives Tedesco one less chance to destroy a broken kick chase D line.

Well played.

With Williams as kicker, we can do better (Sezer, not so much!).

Williams doesn't have to grubber it into the in-goal...he has proved time and time again that he is adept at the cross-field kick. If he pops it a metre or two in front of the tryline, that eliminates the risk of a 20m restart, gives us a chance at a try (or a push-back into the in-goal if they collect it), and places the ball at the same area even if they do successfully collect it and stay in the field of play. Very little risk of a broken-field situation with a pin-point kick (as compared to a mid-field bomb, for example). The no-kick option just doesn't have enough up-side compared to other options.

Also, the no-kick option may be good against low-strike teams, but not so good against teams that can score from anywhere (like the Roosters). Field position is not the only thing that matters in defence...an unbroken line and working together as a defensive unit is much more important.

And the no kick option provides this with greater certainty.

[amiafish]

For the first couple of tackles, yes it does. But you have to defend the whole set, and what with the risk of six-again calls, possibly more. In that context, the potential for a repeat set or scoring a try cannot be ignored. You're simply giving up too much potential upside for a very circumscribed moment of security ( i.e. the first few tackles as they come off their line).

[greeneyed]

A Starling is born: Understudies fill void for marquee attraction

The loss of Josh Hodgson was expected to derail Canberra's 2020 campaign but new dummy-half rotation Siliva Havili and Tom Starling earned a big tick of approval after one of their most impressive wins in recent memory.

"Ricky [Stuart] spoke to the fringe players at the start of the year saying 'we're going to need you at one stage of the year so keep ready'," Starling said after his first proper hit-out since March.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/07/17/a-s ... ttraction/

GALLERY: Raiders V Roosters: https://www.gettyimages.com.au/photos/c ... st#license

https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2020/07 ... -roosters/

Play of the week: Lui strips it twice: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2020/07 ... -it-twice/

[Pete Cash]

The risk of giving up a 7 tackle set is less than the reward of getting the ball back from a line drop out with the current rules

Possession is the key to winning games under the 6 again lottery. Refs are far less tolerant of A defense muscling up

I was a supporter of running the ball on the last and kicking early last year. In 2020 having possession of the ball is more important than field position

[pacman]

For the first couple of tackles, yes it does. But you have to defend the whole set, and what with the risk of six-again calls, possibly more. In that context, the potential for a repeat set or scoring a try cannot be ignored. You're simply giving up too much potential upside for a very circumscribed moment of security ( i.e. the first few tackles as they come off their line).

Agree. I think there is a bit of bias at the moment because it did pay off yesterday but had they scored, I wonder whether this tactic would still be defended. Additionally, this is something the team does very often, whether it be 5 minutes or 50 minutes to go. No one can deny the value of forcing repeat sets and you can just look at any quality halfback (e.g. DCE, Cleary, Pearce) to see how it can work. Williams is proving just as high quality as the rest at the moment so there's no reason why we cannot do it as well.

[GMGT]

For the first couple of tackles, yes it does. But you have to defend the whole set, and what with the risk of six-again calls, possibly more. In that context, the potential for a repeat set or scoring a try cannot be ignored. You're simply giving up too much potential upside for a very circumscribed moment of security ( i.e. the first few tackles as they come off their line).

Your logic is seriously failing and you're dead set clutching at straws now. "But you have to defend the whole set" ummm don't you always have to defend a whole set? I don't know about you but I would rather defend a set where you can pin them in their OWN 20, rather than having them march upfield and having to defend them on your own line.

That's just me though, and according to some numpties on this site I know absolutely nothing about rugby league. So take it with a grain of salt.

Side note, how the **** is it a bigger risk of 6 again getting called if you take the tackle on last, rather than putting a kick in?

[Northern Raider]

For the first couple of tackles, yes it does. But you have to defend the whole set, and what with the risk of six-again calls, possibly more. In that context, the potential for a repeat set or scoring a try cannot be ignored. You're simply giving up too much potential upside for a very circumscribed moment of security ( i.e. the first few tackles as they come off their line).

Agree. I think there is a bit of bias at the moment because it did pay off yesterday but had they scored, I wonder whether this tactic would still be defended. Additionally, this is something the team does very often, whether it be 5 minutes or 50 minutes to go. No one can deny the value of forcing repeat sets and you can just look at any quality halfback (e.g. DCE, Cleary, Pearce) to see how it can work. Williams is proving just as high quality as the rest at the moment so there's no reason why we cannot do it as well.

I was OK with the tactic in the context of the game. Roosters only had a couple of sets left in possession. This made certain that the set started on their own tryline with a set defenive line. Yes there were options for a potential better outcome but these came with increased risk. When you're ahead with 5 minutes to go risk is something you want to minimise.

[radicalraider]

How do we replace cotric next year

[amiafish]

For the first couple of tackles, yes it does. But you have to defend the whole set, and what with the risk of six-again calls, possibly more. In that context, the potential for a repeat set or scoring a try cannot be ignored. You're simply giving up too much potential upside for a very circumscribed moment of security ( i.e. the first few tackles as they come off their line).

Agree. I think there is a bit of bias at the moment because it did pay off yesterday but had they scored, I wonder whether this tactic would still be defended. Additionally, this is something the team does very often, whether it be 5 minutes or 50 minutes to go. No one can deny the value of forcing repeat sets and you can just look at any quality halfback (e.g. DCE, Cleary, Pearce) to see how it can work. Williams is proving just as high quality as the rest at the moment so there's no reason why we cannot do it as well.

I was OK with the tactic in the context of the game. Roosters only had a couple of sets left in possession. This made certain that the set started on their own tryline with a set defenive line. Yes there were options for a potential better outcome but these came with increased risk. When you're ahead with 5 minutes to go risk is something you want to minimise.

Yeah, I get where you're coming from. And I think with the clock so short, it's not too bad an option. But, general principles...there is no better way to mitigate risk than by keeping the ball or pushing the lead out further. And I do believe that the new rules make it harder to smother with defence than in previous years.

[Hazza]

hahah absolutely incredible reading through this thread and seeing people still bagging the team. Or is it? Guess I should expect it on here

Incredible win. Actually think the score flattered them, we take our chances we win by 10-16. Yeah sure the roosters weren't good, nowhere near their best but I couldn't give a toss. Starling outstanding. Several great players for us. Missed 21 tackles (our least for the season).

Others have touched on it, and sure it's only 1 game but that's as good as we've attacked all year and I don't think it's a coincidence we did it without Hodgson. Could be talking out my ass and we may still have won that had he played, 1 game isn't enough of a sample size admittedly but I've been harping on about it for ages. Clean early ball to the halves...

Please explain what was not good about the roosters? They came at us all night and wouldn't go away. I didn't notice them do much wrong at all, they threw everything at us and we just outplayed them. People on this forum have a fear of admitting that though.

If we win its because the opposition was ****, not because we were good. Never forget that raiders fans!!!!

Did I say we won due to the roosters being **** you fair dinkum dribbler? The roosters completed under 50% in the 2nd half, if you think that's them at their best...well. I can't help you. That's not downplaying the win at all, 1 of our best wins in recent memory...

[BadnMean]

This thread is brutal reading.

By page 8 alone

CNK is a park footballer and will never be any better-

Jarrod Croker is not NRL standard but should be moved to the wing or sacked (seriously)-

Starling can't pass-

A gulf in class between the teams-

It was 12-6 on page 8

[GMGT]

This thread is brutal reading.

By page 8 alone

CNK is a park footballer and will never be any better-

Jarrod Croker is not NRL standard but should be moved to the wing or sacked (seriously)-

Starling can't pass-

A gulf in class between the teams-

It was 12-6 on page 8

My point exactly. Then they can't handle it when you call them out on their utter, despicable Bull.

[BadnMean]

This thread is brutal reading.

By page 8 alone

CNK is a park footballer and will never be any better-

Jarrod Croker is not NRL standard but should be moved to the wing or sacked (seriously)-

Starling can't pass-

A gulf in class between the teams-

It was 12-6 on page 8

My point exactly. Then they can't handle it when you call them out on their utter, despicable Bull.

I'm not up to that yet. I was just mind blown by pages 6-8 and had to comment.

[Wiki Special]

This thread is brutal reading.

By page 8 alone

CNK is a park footballer and will never be any better-

Jarrod Croker is not NRL standard but should be moved to the wing or sacked (seriously)-

Starling can't pass-

A gulf in class between the teams-

It was 12-6 on page 8

And we had no ball.

[Kryptonite]

Was a great win and boy did we need it. But unlike some people here, I think it's pretty clear there is still a lot to work on and that was not a pretty win. A gutsy win let's say.

Two main problem areas for mine were again the majority of the game with one dimensional attack (especially first half) which gave us so little metres and forced us to defend in our half for ages. We started to spread it more in the second but this needs to be the norm.

Other area was 6th tackle options. The no kick tactic at the end especially was so frustrating. Inviting them back into it over and over. Is there that little confidence in the kickers that they are too scared to give away a 7 tackle set? Need to use Williams in that scenario more. It's cost us so much in the past and will continue to.

Otherwise, great defence and great determination. Some of the guys really stepped up unexpectedly e.g. Lui, Starling which was pleasing so need to build on this for next week!

Jesus christ, can you not just enjoy one of the best wins in recent history? No matter what we do it's never good enough for the people on this site. If we won the premiership people would be saying "papalii didn't do enough, charnze should of passed more, our performance wasn't good enough" etc etc etc.

Did you seriously expect a perfect, polished performance given the circumstances? We went above and beyond to play the way we did and we still have people here who want to complain. Good **** grief.

For the record, I don't know If you realised but handing over the ball on the last tackle mere metres or inches from their line is a TACTIC. It forces the opposition to do the hard yards when the pressure is on them and with the clock counting down. I was actually really happy every time we did that at the end, it what you should be doing.

Game plan: Ricky “Just get out there and bleed green for 80 minutes!” and it worked a treat!

[GMGT]

Was a great win and boy did we need it. But unlike some people here, I think it's pretty clear there is still a lot to work on and that was not a pretty win. A gutsy win let's say.

Two main problem areas for mine were again the majority of the game with one dimensional attack (especially first half) which gave us so little metres and forced us to defend in our half for ages. We started to spread it more in the second but this needs to be the norm.

Other area was 6th tackle options. The no kick tactic at the end especially was so frustrating. Inviting them back into it over and over. Is there that little confidence in the kickers that they are too scared to give away a 7 tackle set? Need to use Williams in that scenario more. It's cost us so much in the past and will continue to.

Otherwise, great defence and great determination. Some of the guys really stepped up unexpectedly e.g. Lui, Starling which was pleasing so need to build on this for next week!

Jesus christ, can you not just enjoy one of the best wins in recent history? No matter what we do it's never good enough for the people on this site. If we won the premiership people would be saying "papalii didn't do enough, charnze should of passed more, our performance wasn't good enough" etc etc etc.

Did you seriously expect a perfect, polished performance given the circumstances? We went above and beyond to play the way we did and we still have people here who want to complain. Good **** grief.

For the record, I don't know If you realised but handing over the ball on the last tackle mere metres or inches from their line is a TACTIC. It forces the opposition to do the hard yards when the pressure is on them and with the clock counting down. I was actually really happy every time we did that at the end, it what you should be doing.

Game plan: Ricky “Just get out there and bleed green for 80 minutes!” and it worked a treat!

Didn't it just! The talk all week from Ricky had me beaming with confidence. I knew he would have the troops rallied for something huge. A mammoth effort that I know will be a vital building block to our premiership chances.

With a good draw for the rest of the season, and key players returning from injury at the end of the year, I think we will be primed to go all the way. Not much more could go wrong on the injury front, and we just beat the premiers with so much of our talent on the sidelines.. we are the raiders and we can beat anybody. Ricky has got this club ooozing green again.

[Rickmando]

Was a great win and boy did we need it. But unlike some people here, I think it's pretty clear there is still a lot to work on and that was not a pretty win. A gutsy win let's say.

Two main problem areas for mine were again the majority of the game with one dimensional attack (especially first half) which gave us so little metres and forced us to defend in our half for ages. We started to spread it more in the second but this needs to be the norm.

Other area was 6th tackle options. The no kick tactic at the end especially was so frustrating. Inviting them back into it over and over. Is there that little confidence in the kickers that they are too scared to give away a 7 tackle set? Need to use Williams in that scenario more. It's cost us so much in the past and will continue to.

Otherwise, great defence and great determination. Some of the guys really stepped up unexpectedly e.g. Lui, Starling which was pleasing so need to build on this for next week!

Jesus christ, can you not just enjoy one of the best wins in recent history? No matter what we do it's never good enough for the people on this site. If we won the premiership people would be saying "papalii didn't do enough, charnze should of passed more, our performance wasn't good enough" etc etc etc.

Did you seriously expect a perfect, polished performance given the circumstances? We went above and beyond to play the way we did and we still have people here who want to complain. Good **** grief.

For the record, I don't know If you realised but handing over the ball on the last tackle mere metres or inches from their line is a TACTIC. It forces the opposition to do the hard yards when the pressure is on them and with the clock counting down. I was actually really happy every time we did that at the end, it what you should be doing.

Game plan: Ricky “Just get out there and bleed green for 80 minutes!” and it worked a treat!

No one bleeds green better than Rick - it’s a great game plan when it works! And it seriously worked last night. Unfortunately it’s his only game plan, all the eggs are in that green basket of his

[RedRaider]

Before last night the Chooks were the second best defensive side in the NRL and the Raiders put 4 tries on them. They had so much possession in the first half they should have built up a cricket score but the Raiders defence was simply outstanding. The pressure forced them into errors imo. As the commentators said more than once on Channel 9, 'the Raiders are not going away'. Even the dud calls we got, the Papa elbow to the nose being a penalty to the Chooks was the stand out for me, the side shrugged it off and got on with it. Last year and again this year we are a 'tough to beat' side. You bloody beauty.

While Papa was man of the match imo, the effort of Lui was fantastic. His defensive ability and the ball stealing (twice) gave us back momentum in a tough tight match against the two time comp winners. Each of our tries was different. From forwards offloading for the first, to the CNK kick for JC, to the George Williams step and go and the Williams pass to Papa for another step and go, the side delivered.
Yes we have areas we need to improve, still too many missed and ineffective tackles for this defensofile but the Roosters are easily the best Attacking side in the comp so far this year and they only got 3 tries on us. The performance was simply outstanding from the Raiders imo.

[Raider Azz]

This thread is brutal reading.

By page 8 alone

CNK is a park footballer and will never be any better-

Jarrod Croker is not NRL standard but should be moved to the wing or sacked (seriously)-

Starling can't pass-

A gulf in class between the teams-

It was 12-6 on page 8

Yeah, the game day threads are super toxic. Best to iust avoid them - I may do that from now on.

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[irvste]

I never read this thread after a loss.. But just wow this is the most negative game day thread I've read in a long time

Considering how many players we have out that was some gritty effort to win that.. Things to work on but the heart and soul shown in that game was amazing

My dog thought she was in trouble several times with my yelling at the tv so im glad i wasn't reading this too she would have done a runner

Damn my dog is lucky I'm not a broncos fan though jeez

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