Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart calls for NRL to take axe to error-prone bunker
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Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart calls for NRL to take axe to error-prone bunker
Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart calls for NRL to take axe to error-prone bunker
Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart says something has to give - either with the bunker or those in charge.
"We've either got to get rid of the bunker because they're not getting it right or Graham Annesley or Bernard Sutton have to be replaced," he said. "It's either they haven't got the right people in the bunker or those two people can't do their job. Our fans, our coaches and our players are sick of Graham coming out and being the hero and saying, 'He got it wrong'."
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Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart says something has to give - either with the bunker or those in charge.
"We've either got to get rid of the bunker because they're not getting it right or Graham Annesley or Bernard Sutton have to be replaced," he said. "It's either they haven't got the right people in the bunker or those two people can't do their job. Our fans, our coaches and our players are sick of Graham coming out and being the hero and saying, 'He got it wrong'."
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I think this is baby out with the bath water. The bunker should stay, I think it means a hell of a lot more correct decisions than without it.
What I would like to see is fewer ex-players in the box.
I wonder what would happen if they let ol’ gangers in the box? Phil Gould would be ranting “no no no no” on all my obstruction decisions that’s for sure. Dingbat.
What I would like to see is fewer ex-players in the box.
I wonder what would happen if they let ol’ gangers in the box? Phil Gould would be ranting “no no no no” on all my obstruction decisions that’s for sure. Dingbat.
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I think he’s saying some bunker officials need to go or the bosses do.gangrenous wrote: ↑July 12, 2020, 9:58 pm I think this is baby out with the bath water. The bunker should stay, I think it means a hell of a lot more correct decisions than without it.
What I would like to see is fewer ex-players in the box.
I wonder what would happen if they let ol’ gangers in the box? Phil Gould would be ranting “no no no no” on all my obstruction decisions that’s for sure. Dingbat.
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Not a subscriber but obviously the answer is Sutton.
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I would love to give it a go and see just how hard it is to not make howlers...
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I haven't seen any great leap forward in accuracy of decisions with the bunker vs on site video ref. The incidents where there is a complete lack of common sense still happen every weekend.
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They were actually going ok until a few weeks ago. But this same thing happens every season. Start out ok and then the consistency goes out the window. Why is it so? GEs theory on preconceived bias?
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The bunker should stay, but there needs to be a complete cleanout of bunker officials, refs, and the ref boss. The boys' club has gone beyond a joke.
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I don’t think it’s preconceived. I think it’s unrecognised, unconscious.
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Who was in the bunker sat night?
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Mr MagooIlanraiders wrote:Who was in the bunker sat night?
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
Re: Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart calls for NRL to take axe to error-prone bunker
Ben Galea. Total numpty.
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Steve Chiddy was the senior bunker official.
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I do think it’d be a lot harder than the we, the fans, and the commentators think.gangrenous wrote: ↑July 12, 2020, 10:15 pm I would love to give it a go and see just how hard it is to not make howlers...
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I am as far away from being a “refs faulter” as possible, and I would usually agree - but the howler on Saturday night was one of those calls which were not even close to 50/50. In fact, I haven’t heard from a single person (pundit or fan), who thinks that was the correct decision. It beggars belief that two officials thought otherwise.greeneyed wrote: ↑July 13, 2020, 7:50 amI do think it’d be a lot harder than the we, the fans, and the commentators think.gangrenous wrote: ↑July 12, 2020, 10:15 pm I would love to give it a go and see just how hard it is to not make howlers...
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Not disagreeing there either.TongueFTW wrote: ↑July 13, 2020, 7:57 amI am as far away from being a “refs faulter” as possible, and I would usually agree - but the howler on Saturday night was one of those calls which were not even close to 50/50. In fact, I haven’t heard from a single person (pundit or fan), who thinks that was the correct decision. It beggars belief that two officials thought otherwise.greeneyed wrote: ↑July 13, 2020, 7:50 amI do think it’d be a lot harder than the we, the fans, and the commentators think.gangrenous wrote: ↑July 12, 2020, 10:15 pm I would love to give it a go and see just how hard it is to not make howlers...
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It's not perfect, nothing is, but the Bunker is miles better than the old video ref system and gets a lot more decisions both correct and made faster.
Even if it's getting 99.9% of decisions correct people will complain no matter what, regardless of the sport.
Even if it's getting 99.9% of decisions correct people will complain no matter what, regardless of the sport.
Re: Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart calls for NRL to take axe to error-prone bunker
Mistakes will always get made whenever there is a human element to it.
Getting rid of the bunker is not the answer. Fixing the level of competency of the men and women sitting in the bunker is the answer.
Getting rid of the bunker is not the answer. Fixing the level of competency of the men and women sitting in the bunker is the answer.
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If it meant we the fans would have to to the rule book, study it inside and out and then interpret the events based on those and all the other factors, 100% it would be a lot harder than we thinkgreeneyed wrote: ↑July 13, 2020, 7:50 amI do think it’d be a lot harder than the we, the fans, and the commentators think.gangrenous wrote: ↑July 12, 2020, 10:15 pm I would love to give it a go and see just how hard it is to not make howlers...
I'd argue, that any one of us could not do any of that and just waltz in to the booth and make decisions tomorrow and we'd have a similar level of success... we'd get less of this Simmonsen sin bin stuff wrong but probably miss some of the more obscure technicalities, and in the wash it would wind up pretty much where we are now.
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Addo-Carr and his expert diving technique really sold it well. Pathetic.
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C'mon it's really not that difficult. Broncos = No try. Raiders = Try.Botman wrote:If it meant we the fans would have to to the rule book, study it inside and out and then interpret the events based on those and all the other factors, 100% it would be a lot harder than we thinkgreeneyed wrote: ↑July 13, 2020, 7:50 amI do think it’d be a lot harder than the we, the fans, and the commentators think.gangrenous wrote: ↑July 12, 2020, 10:15 pm I would love to give it a go and see just how hard it is to not make howlers...
I'd argue, that any one of us could not do any of that and just waltz in to the booth and make decisions tomorrow and we'd have a similar level of success... we'd get less of this Simmonsen sin bin stuff wrong but probably miss some of the more obscure technicalities, and in the wash it would wind up pretty much where we are now.
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I have, but they were also Storm fans who think Cameron Smith is the most perfect angel ever to play and is victim to unfair witch-hunts, and also that the NRL ripped them off by taking away their deserved premierships, so.TongueFTW wrote: ↑July 13, 2020, 7:57 amI am as far away from being a “refs faulter” as possible, and I would usually agree - but the howler on Saturday night was one of those calls which were not even close to 50/50. In fact, I haven’t heard from a single person (pundit or fan), who thinks that was the correct decision. It beggars belief that two officials thought otherwise.greeneyed wrote: ↑July 13, 2020, 7:50 amI do think it’d be a lot harder than the we, the fans, and the commentators think.gangrenous wrote: ↑July 12, 2020, 10:15 pm I would love to give it a go and see just how hard it is to not make howlers...
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I'm a lot less critical of the on field refs this year as I reckon they're doing a decent job with a tough gig. Bunch of new rule interpretations, faster game and they're having to do it all themselves. Less sympathy for touchies getting it wrong as their role hasn't changed much and if anything they should be stepping up to help out the guy in the middle more. They still have to call it as it happens though.
As for the bunker, they have they softest job of all with the benefit of time, multiple angles, super slow mo etc. Plus there's 2 of them collaborating. Absoultey zero excuse for making such horrible mistakes like Simo's sin bin, the Hetherington 'no try' call and completely missing Latrell's dog shot on Reynolds.
As for the bunker, they have they softest job of all with the benefit of time, multiple angles, super slow mo etc. Plus there's 2 of them collaborating. Absoultey zero excuse for making such horrible mistakes like Simo's sin bin, the Hetherington 'no try' call and completely missing Latrell's dog shot on Reynolds.
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A lot of the touchies are actually former on-field refs. Perenara was one of the touchies at our Dragons game for example. Quite a few of the touchies were axed and their spots given to refs as part of V'landys' "cost saving measures".Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 13, 2020, 5:00 pm ILess sympathy for touchies getting it wrong as their role hasn't changed much and if anything they should be stepping up to help out the guy in the middle more.
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Re: Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart calls for NRL to take axe to error-prone bunker
If you're Graham Annesley then you're damned if you do or damned if you don't...
but I do agree with his assessment of the bunkers incorrect decisions of late "the bunker is over-analysing these incidents from a technical point of view, instead of just looking at incidents from a fan's perspective to decide what most people would consider a fair and reasonable decision."
Let's hope the bunker heeds the boss' words!!!!
but I do agree with his assessment of the bunkers incorrect decisions of late "the bunker is over-analysing these incidents from a technical point of view, instead of just looking at incidents from a fan's perspective to decide what most people would consider a fair and reasonable decision."
Let's hope the bunker heeds the boss' words!!!!
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I don’t think they’ll let you totally reverse the current system...gergreg wrote:C'mon it's really not that difficult. Broncos = No try. Raiders = Try.
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The trouble with the Simonsson decision is that there wasn't even any technical reason to consider that there was any breach of the rules!
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I guess that's the concern. They're seeing something completely different to everyone else.
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I think the pressure to make quicker decisions has to be involved. Maybe there is a bit of tunnel vision thrown in - looking at certain characteristics without looking at the whole scenario. It's quite difficult to understand how they could watch that footage and see (not see) that Simmonson didn't even appear to actually know where JAC was.
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Likegangrenous wrote:I don’t think they’ll let you totally reverse the current system...gergreg wrote:C'mon it's really not that difficult. Broncos = No try. Raiders = Try.
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Does anyone know why the referees boss comes out the day after and says right or wrong? It's the most **** ridiculous thing to do that I can even think of.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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I would love to see the extra angles the Bunker gets. If this was ESPN in the US their programs would be showing everything they saw in the analysis of the game. For example, I'd have loved to see the footage that apparently showed that the 'Six Again' overule in the GF was correct. They've told us it was right but I've only seen anyone showing the TV coverage, which is inconclusive.