Jack’s ball handling

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 3, 2020, 8:09 pm

Is it just me or is Jack’s ball handling getting worse. He was rocks and diamonds last year mainly with his kicking but now every time someone passes him the ball I cringe in readiness for a drop like Lui.

I know we can’t win the comp without him but at such a pivotal position something needs to be done. He is 5th in the league for most drop balls and is almost averaging 2 per game.

edwahu · Post by **edwahu** » July 3, 2020, 8:19 pm

I think he only dropped one didn't he?

Overall he was outstanding. He will drop a lot of footy because he handles it a lot.

afgtnk · Post by **afgtnk** » July 3, 2020, 8:24 pm

Eh. It's about the same. It's Jack. He needs to improve of course but his hands have always been dodgy.

-TW- · Post by **-TW-** » July 3, 2020, 8:29 pm

Hi Lucy

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Sid · Post by **Sid** » July 3, 2020, 8:35 pm

GreenMachine · Post by **GreenMachine** » July 3, 2020, 8:52 pm

Least of our issues to be honest.

Botman · Post by **Botman** » July 3, 2020, 8:54 pm

Im more concerned about his running game struggling to get on track tbh... but he does look like he's inches away from having one of those games where he splits them 3-4 times

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 3, 2020, 9:06 pm

Botman wrote:Im more concerned about his running game struggling to get on track tbh... but he does look like he's inches away from having one of those games where he splits them 3-4 times

If he can hang on to the ball he will have one of those games but his not

BadnMean · Post by **BadnMean** » July 3, 2020, 9:08 pm

Mistake rates track to amount of times handled the ball really...

Jack has a high octane style and produces the odd error. So did maloney and Latrell, but you cope due to the x factor. jack is probably solid as a rock compared to those two.

Jack is going ok. He redlines it a bit but he has 6 gears. That's where we have put our eggs and after last year + early rounds this year + how Jack came back from Origin last year I am 100% ok with our egg and basket distribution.

raiderskater · Post by **raiderskater** » July 3, 2020, 9:33 pm

Eh, Jack will have his Jack moments. He's always good for one stuff-up per game. We know this, but it's fairly predictable and he makes up for it. He did look very good tonight, poked his nose through the line a few times.

-PJ- · Post by **-PJ-** » July 4, 2020, 7:04 am

Still gets paid though right ?

Green Blogger · Post by **Green Blogger** » July 4, 2020, 8:00 am

I think he is one of the players who has simply been trying to hard. I am more concerned about some of the cut out passes that he has thrown that have missed the winger by miles. Needs to relax and run.

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 4, 2020, 8:00 am

BadnMean wrote:Mistake rates track to amount of times handled the ball really...

Jack has a high octane style and produces the odd error. So did maloney and Latrell, but you cope due to the x factor. jack is probably solid as a rock compared to those two.

Jack is going ok. He redlines it a bit but he has 6 gears. That's where we have put our eggs and after last year + early rounds this year + how Jack came back from Origin last year I am 100% ok with our egg and basket distribution.

This mistake rates track to the amount of times he touches the ball is Bull and just an excuse. Out of all the 9’s, 7’s and 6’s he is by far the worst. He needs to fix it if we are going to win a premiership. We can’t afford to be handing the ball over at crucial times.

We hammer Scott for missing tackles, Hodgson for over playing his hand - I see this as just a bigger problem

Seiffert82 · Post by **Seiffert82** » July 4, 2020, 8:05 am

My concern is less about the ball handling and more about our inability to put bad opposition to bed.

We are still incredibly inpatient as a team, and Jack is a part of that issue. We push passes when we don't need to and attempt strips late in the tackle count when it's not on. Wighton, Williams and Hodgson need to keep their composure in these situations and guide the team rather than attempt the hero play when we need to close out a game.

At the moment, Wighton is the guy that should have the ball in his hands when we're 6 points down with 5 to go, but not so much when we're 6 points up with 5 to go. He needs to get that balance right.

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 4, 2020, 8:49 am

Seiffert82 wrote:My concern is less about the ball handling and more about our inability to put bad opposition to bed.

We are still incredibly inpatient as a team, and Jack is a part of that issue. We push passes when we don't need to and attempt strips late in the tackle count when it's not on. Wighton, Williams and Hodgson need to keep their composure in these situations and guide the team rather than attempt the hero play when we need to close out a game.

At the moment, Wighton is the guy that should have the ball in his hands when we're 6 points down with 5 to go, but not so much when we're 6 points up with 5 to go. He needs to get that balance right.

I agree

Raider Azz · Post by **Raider Azz** » July 4, 2020, 9:32 am

-PJ- wrote:Still gets paid though right ?

2 things in life are certain. The sun will rise in the morning, and jack will still get paid.

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-PJ- · Post by **-PJ-** » July 4, 2020, 10:01 am

Seiffert82 wrote: ↑July 4, 2020, 8:05 am My concern is less about the ball handling and more about our inability to put bad opposition to bed.

We are still incredibly inpatient as a team, and Jack is a part of that issue. We push passes when we don't need to and attempt strips late in the tackle count when it's not on. Wighton, Williams and Hodgson need to keep their composure in these situations and guide the team rather than attempt the hero play when we need to close out a game.

At the moment, Wighton is the guy that should have the ball in his hands when we're 6 points down with 5 to go, but not so much when we're 6 points up with 5 to go. He needs to get that balance right.

This Seiff..

Something isn't right, it's way off. Our D is there or there abouts. The attack is lacking smooth. Pushing passes is a massive problem. Need to chill a bit.

At halftime last night who else thought we were going to see the boys run in another 30pts ?
I did..
Its very concerning to me.

BadnMean · Post by **BadnMean** » July 4, 2020, 10:14 am

LastRaider wrote: ↑July 4, 2020, 8:00 am
BadnMean wrote:Mistake rates track to amount of times handled the ball really...

Jack has a high octane style and produces the odd error. So did maloney and Latrell, but you cope due to the x factor. jack is probably solid as a rock compared to those two.

Jack is going ok. He redlines it a bit but he has 6 gears. That's where we have put our eggs and after last year + early rounds this year + how Jack came back from Origin last year I am 100% ok with our egg and basket distribution.
This mistake rates track to the amount of times he touches the ball is Bull and just an excuse. Out of all the 9’s, 7’s and 6’s he is by far the worst. He needs to fix it if we are going to win a premiership. We can’t afford to be handing the ball over at crucial times.

We hammer Scott for missing tackles, Hodgson for over playing his hand - I see this as just a bigger problem

He's got the same # errors as Keary, who is the 5/8 in the team which won the comp the last 2 years running...

Jack is just shaded by Kleary in most attacking categories (he wins some though)... Ball running stats and tackle breaks, Jack clear winner.

Kicking about even overall...

Defence Jack shades Keary...

And Keary- errors considered- is having a blinder of a season by any measure. So no, I just don't buy this premise.

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 4, 2020, 10:21 am

BadnMean wrote:
LastRaider wrote: ↑July 4, 2020, 8:00 am
BadnMean wrote:Mistake rates track to amount of times handled the ball really...

Jack has a high octane style and produces the odd error. So did maloney and Latrell, but you cope due to the x factor. jack is probably solid as a rock compared to those two.

Jack is going ok. He redlines it a bit but he has 6 gears. That's where we have put our eggs and after last year + early rounds this year + how Jack came back from Origin last year I am 100% ok with our egg and basket distribution.
This mistake rates track to the amount of times he touches the ball is Bull and just an excuse. Out of all the 9’s, 7’s and 6’s he is by far the worst. He needs to fix it if we are going to win a premiership. We can’t afford to be handing the ball over at crucial times.

We hammer Scott for missing tackles, Hodgson for over playing his hand - I see this as just a bigger problem
He's got the same # errors as Keary, who is the 5/8 in the team which won the comp the last 2 years running...

Jack is just shaded by Kleary in most attacking categories (he wins some though)... Ball running stats and tackle breaks, Jack clear winner.

Kicking about even overall...

Defence Jack shades Keary...

And Keary- errors considered- is having a blinder of a season by any measure. So no, I just don't buy this premise.

Keary is at 10 and Jack is at 14 (Zero Tackle) A bit further apart then even

Hazza · Post by **Hazza** » July 4, 2020, 10:25 am

I adore Jack but anyone that thinks he's even close to as good as Keary is kidding themselves. Keary's the complete player.

BadnMean · Post by **BadnMean** » July 4, 2020, 11:38 am

LastRaider wrote: ↑July 4, 2020, 10:21 am
BadnMean wrote:
LastRaider wrote: ↑July 4, 2020, 8:00 am
BadnMean wrote:Mistake rates track to amount of times handled the ball really...

Jack has a high octane style and produces the odd error. So did maloney and Latrell, but you cope due to the x factor. jack is probably solid as a rock compared to those two.

Jack is going ok. He redlines it a bit but he has 6 gears. That's where we have put our eggs and after last year + early rounds this year + how Jack came back from Origin last year I am 100% ok with our egg and basket distribution.
This mistake rates track to the amount of times he touches the ball is Bull and just an excuse. Out of all the 9’s, 7’s and 6’s he is by far the worst. He needs to fix it if we are going to win a premiership. We can’t afford to be handing the ball over at crucial times.

We hammer Scott for missing tackles, Hodgson for over playing his hand - I see this as just a bigger problem
He's got the same # errors as Keary, who is the 5/8 in the team which won the comp the last 2 years running...

Jack is just shaded by Kleary in most attacking categories (he wins some though)... Ball running stats and tackle breaks, Jack clear winner.

Kicking about even overall...

Defence Jack shades Keary...

And Keary- errors considered- is having a blinder of a season by any measure. So no, I just don't buy this premise.
Keary is at 10 and Jack is at 14 (Zero Tackle) A bit further apart then even

Even on foxsportslabs- which includes kicking errors. So swings and roundabouts, about even.

BadnMean · Post by **BadnMean** » July 4, 2020, 11:42 am

Hazza wrote: ↑July 4, 2020, 10:25 am I adore Jack but anyone that thinks he's even close to as good as Keary is kidding themselves. Keary's the complete player.

That's not the argument. The argument stated in the OP is that Jack's ball handling is in terminal decline, a threat to our chances this season and that "something needs to be done" about it.

Hence my comparison to a 5/8 playing a blinder of a season, who isn't far off Jack in most categories and even on errors (by some statistical sources). Comparison being that Jack's hands aren't destroying the season, but are similar to other high output halves at clubs who are capable of winning the comp.

nachopants · Post by **nachopants** » July 4, 2020, 2:51 pm

We've always lovingly called him EDIT-wighton or concrete-feet-jack.

Rocks and diamonds is his charm

Off · Post by **Off** » July 4, 2020, 6:01 pm

Love his ticker but.......

Off · Post by **Off** » July 4, 2020, 6:03 pm

Needs more cupping and whispering.

Seiffert82 · Post by **Seiffert82** » July 4, 2020, 6:29 pm

-PJ- wrote: ↑July 4, 2020, 10:01 am
Seiffert82 wrote: ↑July 4, 2020, 8:05 am My concern is less about the ball handling and more about our inability to put bad opposition to bed.

We are still incredibly inpatient as a team, and Jack is a part of that issue. We push passes when we don't need to and attempt strips late in the tackle count when it's not on. Wighton, Williams and Hodgson need to keep their composure in these situations and guide the team rather than attempt the hero play when we need to close out a game.

At the moment, Wighton is the guy that should have the ball in his hands when we're 6 points down with 5 to go, but not so much when we're 6 points up with 5 to go. He needs to get that balance right.
This Seiff..

Something isn't right, it's way off. Our D is there or there abouts. The attack is lacking smooth. Pushing passes is a massive problem. Need to chill a bit.

At halftime last night who else thought we were going to see the boys run in another 30pts ?
I did..
Its very concerning to me.

Yep. The lack of patience is something this team has had in them for 20 years. I don't know what it is, but they push crazy short passes or kick when there's nothing on way too often. They seem to be allergic to repeat sets when we're attacking in the 20.

Dunno how you change that mentality. Hodgo, Wighton and Williams are all the kind of players who are going to go for the try scoring play in almost all circumstances on the attack.

Seiffert82 · Post by **Seiffert82** » July 4, 2020, 6:32 pm

As a team we lead the comp in handling errors don't we?

It was a similar story last year. It was ridiculous the number of times we won despite being significantly behind the opposition in the % of time we had the ball.

Lots of ticker. No real patience with the ball though.