What's wrong with us right now?
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Fair enough, wasn't watching that game closely. Maybe without Tedesco and Radley they lost their link men, I'm not sure but I think generally, they have a good system and freedom in their attacking play.
Parramatta certainly use the edges and don't feel they have to "reset to the middle" every time they do so, as we saw last night
Parramatta certainly use the edges and don't feel they have to "reset to the middle" every time they do so, as we saw last night
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
They have a great system that tests the opposition every ruck and in their own half.Canberra Milk wrote: ↑June 28, 2020, 12:46 pm Fair enough, wasn't watching that game closely. Maybe without Tedesco and Radley they lost their link men, I'm not sure but I think generally, they have a good system and freedom in their attacking play.
Parramatta certainly use the edges and don't feel they have to "reset to the middle" every time they do so, as we saw last night
What they do when they get closer to your line is cream on the pie.
They hurt your middle with constant motion and shape.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
In a couple of weeks Cam will drop past after the game and give us his read on where we are
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Too many basic errors. It might be a simple fix or it could be indicative of bigger issues. Given the circumstances I think we'll have to wait until after the Roosters and Storm games for a more definitive answer.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Do people honestly think we're unfit? I don't see that at all.
We lack patience and structure at times. And our right edge is obviously struggling for cohesion.
We lack patience and structure at times. And our right edge is obviously struggling for cohesion.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
I don’t we are unfit, just lacking footy smarts at that moment. What ever happen to try and getting some repeat sets instead of always going for the clutch play?
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Dropping too much ball, and trying to wrestle and giving away repeat set penalties
We haven't adjusted at all
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
I think the "unfit" comments come because they see the team standing around like a rabble, while we organise another one out runner or dummy half scoot.Seiffert82 wrote: ↑June 28, 2020, 3:39 pm Do people honestly think we're unfit? I don't see that at all.
We lack patience and structure at times. And our right edge is obviously struggling for cohesion.
There's no getting back out to formation to at least give the defence a reason to spread out and cover us. There's no bodies in motion to draw defenders and take some heat off the ball carrier. The support sniffing for offloads could be better.
So you can assume they are standing around because they are a clueless bunch of plodders or because they are buggered from constantly defending and then getting bashed trying to ruck out of our 20m.
That starts to look like unfitness. I'm not sure it is, just the same fatigue any team who constantly drops the ball or puts themselves under the pump would be feeling. It feels like our team looks stuffed all the time, right from our first 5 minutes until we drag ourselves off at halftime. But that's more because of the game situations we are putting ourselves in.
The travel cannot also be under-estimated. It's not "normal" NRL travel with an overnight to recover. It's a month of trudging up and down cambelltowns muddy surface, driving 6 hours a week immediately pre and post game- absolutely terrible recovery. Getting home at 2am, 3am when other teams are in bed by 11 or midnight easy. It adds up. It's just a 2%er and we can cope but coping isn't thriving. Every other team will be a bit fresher than us right now, bar perhaps the Warriors who have a whole unique set of challenges.
Re: What's wrong with us right now?
I've read or heard a few times from players and ex-players that doing those one percenters like pushing up on the ball consistently throughout the match has become difficult fitness wise, due to the ever increasing physical demands of the game. It requires a very high level of conditioning and something that can be the first thing to naturally drop off if there's not enough gas in the tank.
It's something very simple, so I'm quite sure the coaching staff and players are well aware of it when it's done and when it's not. That it doesn't seem to be happening as we believe it should be, especially relative to other teams, has to bring about fitness concerns. I'm not sure if we're at that elite level we need to be at this season.
It's something very simple, so I'm quite sure the coaching staff and players are well aware of it when it's done and when it's not. That it doesn't seem to be happening as we believe it should be, especially relative to other teams, has to bring about fitness concerns. I'm not sure if we're at that elite level we need to be at this season.
Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Simple really...
Forwards start aiming up and lay a good platform for the backs to work some of their magic.
The performance against the Storm highlights that simple philosophy.
Forwards start aiming up and lay a good platform for the backs to work some of their magic.
The performance against the Storm highlights that simple philosophy.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Firstly those who are saying we mid BJ, mustnt remember we went most of last season without him and didnt struggle.
Also correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure that we havent completed our first set since melbournes game
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Also correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure that we havent completed our first set since melbournes game
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Tbh this a great post.Pete Cash wrote: ↑June 28, 2020, 9:33 am I don't think any single player is to blame. I really do think they are playing the footy tactically that stick wants. Its just not the right tactics since the rule change.
We are too predictable so to speak. Watch how the roosters use their back row compared to our guys. Look at how parra were offloading to players moving and we are offloading to players flatfooted
Every spine player in the comp takes bad options in games but because our players are so rarely asking questions when hodgson/Jack/Williams/cnk get trapped with the ball while there are opportunities it really stands out. If Ponga throws a **** pass knights fans aren't like oh no that's 60% of our attacking chances blown because they aren't playing such predictable footy.
We need to ask questions in attack because modern defences are frankly very good and they only make errors in decision making.
Decoy runs, players in motion, forwards running in pairs, support players in motion, etc are all very basic things that forces a defender to make a decision.
How often is an offload taken by hodgson who is preparing to go to acting half compared to say a player running onto the ball ?
Without beej we need good team play over good individual play and tactically we aren't doing it
I would also add the running dummy half plays from Curtis Scott once Hodgson and out forwards are behind the ball on the third is t a winner.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Absolutely a big part of our energy is our home crowd, missing this badly, also, I’m finding hard to identify the posts on the GH theses days between the wall to wall advertising, it’s like something out of the movie “Brazil”
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Not sure I believe the home ground past the point made about the travel.Kryptonite wrote: ↑June 28, 2020, 6:12 pmAbsolutely a big part of our energy is our home crowd, missing this badly, also, I’m finding hard to identify the posts on the GH theses days between the wall to wall advertising, it’s like something out of the movie “Brazil”
We have notoriously sucked the past few years at GIO and are a lot stronger on the road. Don't think the players respond well to their home fans.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
If we are not unfit then we are either failing to execute a proper game plan (which we have experience in 2020) or our game plan (if you can call it that) is wrong and needs adjustment quickly.
For me, we look leggy in attack way more than in defence. I say this because it was exaggerated with how much better Young seemed to look compared to the other forwards when taking a ruck. He had more footwork and legspeed.
However in defence, we look disorganised understandably (due to positional differences) and structurally on edges.
Most notably is probably Scott with his very ineffective tackling on the right.
Tactically I see us continually punching through the ruck too many times with no wide variety where the ball simply shifts. We waste far to many plays with ‘set ups’ only to go through the ruck again and again and again...
I see Hodgson too busy trying to get the markers to bite, but instead of creating an overlap with either a quick or short pass, he’s directing runners through the markers again.
Either it’s the game plan (which is flawed) or he’s taking it upon himself to do too much before letting the ball fly wide and encourage more from the outside.
I personally think we are not fit enough to execute a motion driven offence.
We fall back on targeting the middle (hoping to catch a 6 again) and even if we do succeed in winning an additional 6 tackles, we don’t offer enough in attack to challenge the defensive opposing line.
For me, we look leggy in attack way more than in defence. I say this because it was exaggerated with how much better Young seemed to look compared to the other forwards when taking a ruck. He had more footwork and legspeed.
However in defence, we look disorganised understandably (due to positional differences) and structurally on edges.
Most notably is probably Scott with his very ineffective tackling on the right.
Tactically I see us continually punching through the ruck too many times with no wide variety where the ball simply shifts. We waste far to many plays with ‘set ups’ only to go through the ruck again and again and again...
I see Hodgson too busy trying to get the markers to bite, but instead of creating an overlap with either a quick or short pass, he’s directing runners through the markers again.
Either it’s the game plan (which is flawed) or he’s taking it upon himself to do too much before letting the ball fly wide and encourage more from the outside.
I personally think we are not fit enough to execute a motion driven offence.
We fall back on targeting the middle (hoping to catch a 6 again) and even if we do succeed in winning an additional 6 tackles, we don’t offer enough in attack to challenge the defensive opposing line.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Some very good analysis here - hope Ricky reads this forum!
Who is our attack coach? We need to be direct and then spread it out, too many attempts at magic balls to wingers (Wighton). Right side attack hardly used - Scott is hopeless and Williams has resorted to only kicking on that side instead of passing to Scott and then the winger (used to be Cotric but Rapana last night). Attack is very predictable.
Last tackle kicking game ineffective, need to get repeat sets, do the simple things right (like Williams forcing a line drop out instead of dead in goal which started Parra comeback). Williams needs to improve short kicking game.
Practice catching the high ball - hopeless this year and lack of confidence
Quicker play the balls e.g. Young and Sia that led to Papa try
Hodgo quicker distribution
Generally I've been happy with the forwards but ball control an issue - Havili pls take note as it was a critical time at the end of the first half and we could have put it to bed by scoring. Likewise Horse but he gets bad high balls from Hogo.
Too many dropped balls - this is critical as we start badly and on the backfoot straight away. Ball retention and completing sets is critical in this new game. Jack pls put sticky glue on
Oh and please drop Scott - we play with 12 men with him in the line up.
Who is our attack coach? We need to be direct and then spread it out, too many attempts at magic balls to wingers (Wighton). Right side attack hardly used - Scott is hopeless and Williams has resorted to only kicking on that side instead of passing to Scott and then the winger (used to be Cotric but Rapana last night). Attack is very predictable.
Last tackle kicking game ineffective, need to get repeat sets, do the simple things right (like Williams forcing a line drop out instead of dead in goal which started Parra comeback). Williams needs to improve short kicking game.
Practice catching the high ball - hopeless this year and lack of confidence
Quicker play the balls e.g. Young and Sia that led to Papa try
Hodgo quicker distribution
Generally I've been happy with the forwards but ball control an issue - Havili pls take note as it was a critical time at the end of the first half and we could have put it to bed by scoring. Likewise Horse but he gets bad high balls from Hogo.
Too many dropped balls - this is critical as we start badly and on the backfoot straight away. Ball retention and completing sets is critical in this new game. Jack pls put sticky glue on
Oh and please drop Scott - we play with 12 men with him in the line up.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Yeah, I reckon we are just as fit as any team. You simply can't spill the ball a dozen times a game and still compete.BadnMean wrote: ↑June 28, 2020, 4:23 pmI think the "unfit" comments come because they see the team standing around like a rabble, while we organise another one out runner or dummy half scoot.Seiffert82 wrote: ↑June 28, 2020, 3:39 pm Do people honestly think we're unfit? I don't see that at all.
We lack patience and structure at times. And our right edge is obviously struggling for cohesion.
There's no getting back out to formation to at least give the defence a reason to spread out and cover us. There's no bodies in motion to draw defenders and take some heat off the ball carrier. The support sniffing for offloads could be better.
So you can assume they are standing around because they are a clueless bunch of plodders or because they are buggered from constantly defending and then getting bashed trying to ruck out of our 20m.
That starts to look like unfitness. I'm not sure it is, just the same fatigue any team who constantly drops the ball or puts themselves under the pump would be feeling. It feels like our team looks stuffed all the time, right from our first 5 minutes until we drag ourselves off at halftime. But that's more because of the game situations we are putting ourselves in.
The travel cannot also be under-estimated. It's not "normal" NRL travel with an overnight to recover. It's a month of trudging up and down cambelltowns muddy surface, driving 6 hours a week immediately pre and post game- absolutely terrible recovery. Getting home at 2am, 3am when other teams are in bed by 11 or midnight easy. It adds up. It's just a 2%er and we can cope but coping isn't thriving. Every other team will be a bit fresher than us right now, bar perhaps the Warriors who have a whole unique set of challenges.
We made 120 more tackles than Manly the weekend before. No wonder we looked gassed in that game. We were better against Parra. It was the 20 minutes in the middle of the second half that killed us, but we came home reasonably strongly.
I think the fitness thing is a furphy, Ball security is something else entirely (especially early in the game). We are making too many errors.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
If I could make one change next week, it would be getting Hodgson to clear the ruck early. Pass the damn ball without taking one or two steps.
I were to build on that, I want him to get earlier ball to his halves without overplaying his hand.
My third change would be to play Scott on the bench. Cotric moves to 4, with Rapana outside him for experience. Simonsson can play on the left.
This team doesn't need to change much. We only just lost to the Eels despite being nowhere near our best.
I were to build on that, I want him to get earlier ball to his halves without overplaying his hand.
My third change would be to play Scott on the bench. Cotric moves to 4, with Rapana outside him for experience. Simonsson can play on the left.
This team doesn't need to change much. We only just lost to the Eels despite being nowhere near our best.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Spot on re: Hodgson.Seiffert82 wrote:If I could make one change next week, it would be getting Hodgson to clear the ruck early. Pass the damn ball without taking one or two steps.
I were to build on that, I want him to get earlier ball to his halves without overplaying his hand.
My third change would be to play Scott on the bench. Cotric moves to 4, with Rapana outside him for experience. Simonsson can play on the left.
This team doesn't need to change much. We only just lost to the Eels despite being nowhere near our best.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Really???Hong Kong Raider wrote: ↑June 28, 2020, 11:55 pm Last tackle kicking game ineffective, need to get repeat sets, do the simple things right (like Williams forcing a line drop out instead of dead in goal which started Parra comeback). Williams needs to improve short kicking game.
Williams has got a ton of try assists, and all of them bar one was from a pin-point short kick. From memory, the ball you refer to that dribbled dead (not by much) was the first one Williams has put out the back all year. Very hard marker, mate!
I shudder to think what you would have said last year about Sezer and Sam Williams' short kicking if you think George's is sub par!
Re: What's wrong with us right now?
IMO, our top 5 problems right now, in order are:
1. Josh Hodgson: His form is appalling at the moment. He is still able to impact games and have some moments but overall the decision making, his kicking and his general service is at a level that i thought was not possible for him. He is the fulcrum of this team, we cannot be successful against good teams with him playing like this, it hurts our forwards and it hurts our halves.
2. CNK's ball playing: Look at the Dragons Roosters game on the weekend, this is a bad and poorly coached Dragons team, against the best and most dominant team in recent memory. They managed to put up 2 tries against that excellent defence doing nothing more than running and executing a 2nd man fullback/sweep play. The reality is the way RL is played now, that is the simplest and easiest way to score. Even bad teams can score on elite teams this way, it's a basic structure that you can just run and eventually you'll find some success, the best teams run it so effectively it seems unstoppable at times... We can't even run this stuff, because unfortunately our fullback is absolutely wonderful in every other aspect of the game, but is a total zero on this front... the pressure this puts on us in attack is significant. Especially when Hodgson is playing the way he is. We can play creatively around the ruck with Hodgson, and George has some real creative stuff in his game, and Jack is obviously a weapon in the red zone... but all that falls apart when Hodgson is playing this way. And we dont have that fall back option to just run a simple sweep and try to score that way... it's not in our play book. It's a major problem imo.
3. John Bateman: It's not so much his play we are missing, though certainly we do miss his impact as a pure footballer, but i believe we're missing the mentality he brings to this team. We're not working as hard, we'll playing as tough and we're not willing to commit to grinding it out. I believe that comes from him. And the forward pack follows him in that, without it, im looking at our forward pack and i'm seeing a pretty bog average (note, not bad, just middle of the road) forward pack. It's not the difference making pack it was last year without JB.
4. Curtis Scott: There is no way around it, the guy is involved in 50% of the tries we're conceding. I don't really have much interest in going over the previous discussions again regarding Scott, because my position hasnt change on his talent level and what ever side of the of the isle you're on, i doubt you've changed either. And frankly it doesnt matter now, talent is talent, if you have it and not your remotely displaying it, its as useful to us as not having it. Though i dont think he was as bad in this Parra game as people say, he certain wasnt good enough to save his spot. I dont think Stuart will do it, but it is now time to bring in Oldy or if the coach thinks he's ready, i want to see what HSS has to offer.
5. Discipline: We're just not adapting to the new style quickly enough. We're putting ourselves under a lot of undue pressure simply because we're still trying to work the ruck so much, and then there is the mental discipline which is showing up with consistent errors coming out of our own end. And not a ton of them are being forced, it's a lot of clean drop ball concentration errors. I dont know why this is happening, perhaps the travel situation is not being handled as well as we'd like from the coaches and players, so they're just not quite got their heads in the game. But between the ruck and the silly errors, we're shooting ourselves in the foot a lot.
1. Josh Hodgson: His form is appalling at the moment. He is still able to impact games and have some moments but overall the decision making, his kicking and his general service is at a level that i thought was not possible for him. He is the fulcrum of this team, we cannot be successful against good teams with him playing like this, it hurts our forwards and it hurts our halves.
2. CNK's ball playing: Look at the Dragons Roosters game on the weekend, this is a bad and poorly coached Dragons team, against the best and most dominant team in recent memory. They managed to put up 2 tries against that excellent defence doing nothing more than running and executing a 2nd man fullback/sweep play. The reality is the way RL is played now, that is the simplest and easiest way to score. Even bad teams can score on elite teams this way, it's a basic structure that you can just run and eventually you'll find some success, the best teams run it so effectively it seems unstoppable at times... We can't even run this stuff, because unfortunately our fullback is absolutely wonderful in every other aspect of the game, but is a total zero on this front... the pressure this puts on us in attack is significant. Especially when Hodgson is playing the way he is. We can play creatively around the ruck with Hodgson, and George has some real creative stuff in his game, and Jack is obviously a weapon in the red zone... but all that falls apart when Hodgson is playing this way. And we dont have that fall back option to just run a simple sweep and try to score that way... it's not in our play book. It's a major problem imo.
3. John Bateman: It's not so much his play we are missing, though certainly we do miss his impact as a pure footballer, but i believe we're missing the mentality he brings to this team. We're not working as hard, we'll playing as tough and we're not willing to commit to grinding it out. I believe that comes from him. And the forward pack follows him in that, without it, im looking at our forward pack and i'm seeing a pretty bog average (note, not bad, just middle of the road) forward pack. It's not the difference making pack it was last year without JB.
4. Curtis Scott: There is no way around it, the guy is involved in 50% of the tries we're conceding. I don't really have much interest in going over the previous discussions again regarding Scott, because my position hasnt change on his talent level and what ever side of the of the isle you're on, i doubt you've changed either. And frankly it doesnt matter now, talent is talent, if you have it and not your remotely displaying it, its as useful to us as not having it. Though i dont think he was as bad in this Parra game as people say, he certain wasnt good enough to save his spot. I dont think Stuart will do it, but it is now time to bring in Oldy or if the coach thinks he's ready, i want to see what HSS has to offer.
5. Discipline: We're just not adapting to the new style quickly enough. We're putting ourselves under a lot of undue pressure simply because we're still trying to work the ruck so much, and then there is the mental discipline which is showing up with consistent errors coming out of our own end. And not a ton of them are being forced, it's a lot of clean drop ball concentration errors. I dont know why this is happening, perhaps the travel situation is not being handled as well as we'd like from the coaches and players, so they're just not quite got their heads in the game. But between the ruck and the silly errors, we're shooting ourselves in the foot a lot.
Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Our attack isn't great at present but it was never that flash at any stage last year. Think I'm right in saying last year was the fewest amount of points we've scored since 2014. '17 and '18 we were among the best attacking teams in the comp. Fat lot of good that did us.
But we made the gf. We made the gf due to us transforming in to a gritty dour defensive team. And I'm cool with that if it gets results. Last year I always had confidence we'd repel the opposition when they had repeated sets on our line. This year I don't. 34 v the knights. 25 v the eels. Wasn't happening last year. Only the chooks put 30 on us. We scored 24 points the other night against a very good defensive team (albeit 12 in the last 4 mins when we thought the game was lost) That should be enough to win a game.
I'm more worried about our defence than our attack. If we're doing anything this year it won't be off the back of dynamic attack. That's the style Ricky's implemented. Even in the Manly game as poor as our attack was, they still scored 2 really soft tries. Have to sort out edge d out or we ain't making top 4 this year. I have no issue with our middles. Horse is a loss..
But we made the gf. We made the gf due to us transforming in to a gritty dour defensive team. And I'm cool with that if it gets results. Last year I always had confidence we'd repel the opposition when they had repeated sets on our line. This year I don't. 34 v the knights. 25 v the eels. Wasn't happening last year. Only the chooks put 30 on us. We scored 24 points the other night against a very good defensive team (albeit 12 in the last 4 mins when we thought the game was lost) That should be enough to win a game.
I'm more worried about our defence than our attack. If we're doing anything this year it won't be off the back of dynamic attack. That's the style Ricky's implemented. Even in the Manly game as poor as our attack was, they still scored 2 really soft tries. Have to sort out edge d out or we ain't making top 4 this year. I have no issue with our middles. Horse is a loss..
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Right now ?
Batemans leaving.
Bulldogs chasing Cotric.
We have a injured Horse.
Batemans leaving.
Bulldogs chasing Cotric.
We have a injured Horse.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Went through and had a look at our team stats, and it says a lot to me. Areas of concern:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... isAvg=true
https://www.nrl.com/stats/
Attack
9th in tackle busts
14th in offloads
13th in possession
11th in completions
13th in attacking kicks
14th in forced dropouts
3rd in dummy half runs
3rd in one pass hit-ups
12th in line engagements
16th in general play passes
9th in supporting runs
10th in decoy runs
2nd in errors
Defence
6th in running metres conceded
7th in linebreaks conceded
4th in tackles made
2nd in missed tackles
So basically confirmed we've become very conservative (ball in hand or on foot), one dimensional, one out, with little expansiveness, ball movement, bodies in motions, or second phase play, and yet we're still making loads of errors and not completing enough, not controlling possession, and spending loads of fuel in defence which is making it increasingly ineffective.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... isAvg=true
https://www.nrl.com/stats/
Attack
9th in tackle busts
14th in offloads
13th in possession
11th in completions
13th in attacking kicks
14th in forced dropouts
3rd in dummy half runs
3rd in one pass hit-ups
12th in line engagements
16th in general play passes
9th in supporting runs
10th in decoy runs
2nd in errors
Defence
6th in running metres conceded
7th in linebreaks conceded
4th in tackles made
2nd in missed tackles
So basically confirmed we've become very conservative (ball in hand or on foot), one dimensional, one out, with little expansiveness, ball movement, bodies in motions, or second phase play, and yet we're still making loads of errors and not completing enough, not controlling possession, and spending loads of fuel in defence which is making it increasingly ineffective.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Good find...afgtnk wrote: ↑July 11, 2020, 3:38 pm Went through and had a look at our team stats, and it says a lot to me. Areas of concern:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... isAvg=true
https://www.nrl.com/stats/
Attack
9th in tackle busts
14th in offloads
13th in possession
11th in completions
13th in attacking kicks
14th in forced dropouts
3rd in dummy half runs
3rd in one pass hit-ups
12th in line engagements
16th in general play passes
9th in supporting runs
10th in decoy runs
2nd in errors
Defence
6th in running metres conceded
7th in linebreaks conceded
4th in tackles made
2nd in missed tackles
So basically confirmed we've become very conservative (ball in hand or on foot), one dimensional, one out, with little expansiveness, ball movement, bodies in motions, or second phase play, and yet we're still making loads of errors and not completing enough, not controlling possession, and spending loads of fuel in defence which is making it increasingly ineffective.
Really highlights the point that this one out conservative approach is killing us.
Surely this is coached?
Dummy half runs was something that occurred to me lately....the fact that Hodgson does too much with the ball before releasing and yet seldom attacks for a run from Dummy half. Its a lack of variation really.
Really interesting read.
Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Would say it's definitely coached. This is clear game strategy.GreenMachine wrote: ↑July 11, 2020, 4:20 pmGood find...afgtnk wrote: ↑July 11, 2020, 3:38 pm Went through and had a look at our team stats, and it says a lot to me. Areas of concern:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... isAvg=true
https://www.nrl.com/stats/
Attack
9th in tackle busts
14th in offloads
13th in possession
11th in completions
13th in attacking kicks
14th in forced dropouts
3rd in dummy half runs
3rd in one pass hit-ups
12th in line engagements
16th in general play passes
9th in supporting runs
10th in decoy runs
2nd in errors
Defence
6th in running metres conceded
7th in linebreaks conceded
4th in tackles made
2nd in missed tackles
So basically confirmed we've become very conservative (ball in hand or on foot), one dimensional, one out, with little expansiveness, ball movement, bodies in motions, or second phase play, and yet we're still making loads of errors and not completing enough, not controlling possession, and spending loads of fuel in defence which is making it increasingly ineffective.
Really highlights the point that this one out conservative approach is killing us.
Surely this is coached?
Dummy half runs was something that occurred to me lately....the fact that Hodgson does too much with the ball before releasing and yet seldom attacks for a run from Dummy half. Its a lack of variation really.
Really interesting read.
We've been big on dummy half runs for a number for years now under Stick. Thing is, we also had guys like Raps in much better condition and form and BJ, and weren't that heavily reliant on it.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Yes. We are far less effective outbox dummy half than we were from 2016-2018.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
The stats basically say our current ladder position is quite flattering.
Aside from beating Melbourne post COVID hiatus, we’ve beaten bog average teams.
Aside from beating Melbourne post COVID hiatus, we’ve beaten bog average teams.
Re: What's wrong with us right now?
If there is something wrong with us right now.. we need to find a solution quick fast.
They know how to beat the Storm that's been proven with their last 3 starts against them.
Go back to the formula that worked in those victories and execute it tonight.
They know how to beat the Storm that's been proven with their last 3 starts against them.
Go back to the formula that worked in those victories and execute it tonight.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Hold onto the ball.
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What's wrong with us right now?
Hodgson’s knees
Bailey Simmonson being a big bully
Bailey Simmonson being a big bully
Would have won Boogs - 2016, 2017, 2018
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1 part green, 1 part machine
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Haven’t invested enough of the cap in referees
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Was interesting to see Parra struggle today, their first real road trip.
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Re: What's wrong with us right now?
Id say having a few bloke out long term is what's wrong