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Plenty of work sites with strict conditions of entry relating to health and safety. If you don't accept those conditions you don't get to enter. Those places don't pander to divas who take offense at the wording of waivers.
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I know plenty of people over the last 3 years that got so sick they needed weeks off work, and they had the flu shot.
I've never had one personally, and haven't got sick at all in that time.
So, why the **** should people be forced to have something that's not proven as 100% effective ?
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Neeeegz wrote: May 8, 2020, 8:58 am I know plenty of people over the last 3 years that got so sick they needed weeks off work, and they had the flu shot.
I've never had one personally, and haven't got sick at all in that time.
So, why the **** should people be forced to have something that's not proven as 100% effective ?
They are not being forced to have a flu shot so any argument along those lines is moot.
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Neeeegz wrote: May 8, 2020, 8:58 am I know plenty of people over the last 3 years that got so sick they needed weeks off work, and they had the flu shot.
I've never had one personally, and haven't got sick at all in that time.
So, why the **** should people be forced to have something that's not proven as 100% effective ?
Because it's 60% effective? You wear a seatbelt don't you?
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edwahu wrote: May 8, 2020, 9:28 am
Neeeegz wrote: May 8, 2020, 8:58 am I know plenty of people over the last 3 years that got so sick they needed weeks off work, and they had the flu shot.
I've never had one personally, and haven't got sick at all in that time.
So, why the **** should people be forced to have something that's not proven as 100% effective ?
Because it's 60% effective? You wear a seatbelt don't you?
What a silly comparison. A seatbelt is better than 60% effective...
Try again
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DarkRaider wrote: May 7, 2020, 6:35 pm
Bay53 wrote: May 7, 2020, 3:07 pm
Timbo wrote: May 7, 2020, 1:30 pm This also makes me question all the charity work Sia has done as being incredibly irresponsible.

Imagine if he’d visited your kid who has cancer in hospital and today you’re finding out he’s an anti-vaxxer.

The flu can kill a kid with leukaemia. But hey, muh beliefs and opinions!
I think this is a very unfair comment and reflective of what we are likely to see where current standards are used to re-write history.

I would estimate that 95% of the players in the NRL didn’t get the flu shot in 2019 and no one thought worse of them for it. NRL players would not have been considered in the vulnerable category in the past. There were definitely no restrictions or protocols that anyone entering a hospital was required to have had a flu shot. The government only provided financial assistance to cover the cost for a select handful of the community although many employers also covered the cost. Perhaps NRL players were in this category.

Anti-vaxxer arguments are normally about children not getting the vaccinations for things like measles, rubella etc not flu shots for adults.

Clearly there won’t be things like hospital visits this year, but in future years it may well be that 90+% of the population have a flu shot, so refusal may be seen as a reason to stay away but please don’t try to apply 2020 standards to past years.
According to Phil Gould in his podcast, for a long time it’s actually been standard procedure for every player at every NRL club to get the shot.

No doubt there’d be refusals every year and so the clubs would have had a fair idea that this was coming from certain players.
When I worked at WT from 2005 to 2008 it was mandatory for all staff, including those of us in the marketing department.
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Neeeegz wrote: May 8, 2020, 9:36 am
edwahu wrote: May 8, 2020, 9:28 am
Neeeegz wrote: May 8, 2020, 8:58 am I know plenty of people over the last 3 years that got so sick they needed weeks off work, and they had the flu shot.
I've never had one personally, and haven't got sick at all in that time.
So, why the **** should people be forced to have something that's not proven as 100% effective ?
Because it's 60% effective? You wear a seatbelt don't you?
What a silly comparison. A seatbelt is better than 60% effective...
Try again
Actually seatbelts are about 50% effective in reducing fatal injuries and 60% at reducing serious injuries in an accident.

Why do you think 60% effectiveness in reducing the flu isn't enough? That's hundreds of thousands of lives saved a year.
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gergreg wrote: May 7, 2020, 9:02 pm Seeing as the NRL has just opened the door for these blokes it would be really interesting to see what would happen if the NSW and Australian government responded with a 'no jab no play', tougher stance.

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The Qld Government is asking questions along these lines this morning. The Health Minister has expressed concerns that the NRL’s plan included a ‘no jab, no play’ policy (according to the media report), and that the NRL has already failed to implement the plan shown to the government for approval. A further meeting between the Qld CHO and NRL is to happen today.

Not that I really care if we were to have a comp without Qld teams, but it’s an ordinary look for the NRL.
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Queensland government needs to also question their Union affiliates who continue to have their employees work in building construction without Flu jabs and not adhering to social distancing.

Queensland government will also need to ask questions about their State public servants and teachers who have not had their Flu shot.

The Queensland premier seems intent on firing shots at the NRL but never questioning her own hypocrisy.
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BJ wrote: May 8, 2020, 9:55 am Queensland government needs to also question their Union affiliates who continue to have their employees work in building construction without Flu jabs and not adhering to social distancing.

Queensland government will also need to ask questions about their State public servants and teachers who have not had their Flu shot.

The Queensland premier seems intent on firing shots at the NRL but never questioning her own hypocrisy.
I genuinely don’t know in the first case, but there is currently no requirement for run of the mill public servants to have a flu shot in Queensland, so I don’t think the comparison is valid (and I think you might have sone biases coming through :) ).

The government’s issue is that the NRL has said they will do one thing, the government has given approval on that basis, and the NRL has turned around and done something else. Raising concerns about that is completely reasonable.
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The plan submitted to governments always included a waiver... didn't it? That's what I read anyway.
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greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:17 am The plan submitted to governments always included a waiver... didn't it? That's what I read anyway.
That’s what I thought. The media reporting this morning suggests otherwise, but I don’t know how accurate it is.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... -flu-jabs/
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Smurfette wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:25 am
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:17 am The plan submitted to governments always included a waiver... didn't it? That's what I read anyway.
That’s what I thought. The media reporting this morning suggests otherwise, but I don’t know how accurate it is.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... -flu-jabs/
Peter V'landys says it was in the plan the governments had approved: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-1024676
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greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:32 am
Smurfette wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:25 am
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:17 am The plan submitted to governments always included a waiver... didn't it? That's what I read anyway.
That’s what I thought. The media reporting this morning suggests otherwise, but I don’t know how accurate it is.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... -flu-jabs/
Peter V'landys says it was in the plan the governments had approved: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-1024676
Peter V'landys has been saying a lot over the last six weeks, with much of it directly contradicted by the government within a few hours of him saying it.
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Largely then I think the government should move on. Makes you wonder though about the specific wording of the plan. Going back to my first post on this, you would think people refusing vaccinations on purely religious or cultural grounds would not be so bothered about signing a waiver that says not getting the flu shot poses some health risks...

Anyway, hopefully the governments decide they’re satisfied and we can just get on with it.
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Listening to Hadley. QLD and NSW CMO’s aren’t happy. Full vacc was a requirement, and guaranteed by the NRL.
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Timbo wrote: May 8, 2020, 11:14 am
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:32 am
Smurfette wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:25 am
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:17 am The plan submitted to governments always included a waiver... didn't it? That's what I read anyway.
That’s what I thought. The media reporting this morning suggests otherwise, but I don’t know how accurate it is.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... -flu-jabs/
Peter V'landys says it was in the plan the governments had approved: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-1024676
Peter V'landys has been saying a lot over the last six weeks, with much of it directly contradicted by the government within a few hours of him saying it.
And after that, what V’landys said gets confirmed.
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greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2020, 12:15 pm
Timbo wrote: May 8, 2020, 11:14 am
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:32 am
Smurfette wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:25 am
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:17 am The plan submitted to governments always included a waiver... didn't it? That's what I read anyway.
That’s what I thought. The media reporting this morning suggests otherwise, but I don’t know how accurate it is.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... -flu-jabs/
Peter V'landys says it was in the plan the governments had approved: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-1024676
Peter V'landys has been saying a lot over the last six weeks, with much of it directly contradicted by the government within a few hours of him saying it.
And after that, what V’landys said gets confirmed.
Ive found that very interesting... the cycle is something you can set your watch.
V'landys come out and makes an announcement, state and federal authorities say "well we havent agreed to that, those comments are premature" and within 24 hours the state and federal authorities agree to what was announced.
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Smurfette wrote:
BJ wrote: May 8, 2020, 9:55 am Queensland government needs to also question their Union affiliates who continue to have their employees work in building construction without Flu jabs and not adhering to social distancing.

Queensland government will also need to ask questions about their State public servants and teachers who have not had their Flu shot.

The Queensland premier seems intent on firing shots at the NRL but never questioning her own hypocrisy.
I genuinely don’t know in the first case, but there is currently no requirement for run of the mill public servants to have a flu shot in Queensland, so I don’t think the comparison is valid (and I think you might have sone biases coming through :) ).

The government’s issue is that the NRL has said they will do one thing, the government has given approval on that basis, and the NRL has turned around and done something else. Raising concerns about that is completely reasonable.
Yes I was actually being glib about the public servants getting Flu shots.

But any biases I have..... are multiplied by NSW and QLD governments who seem happy to publicly fire off shots at the NRL but actively ignore other sectors of business who are acting far worse and have infinitely caught and created more cases of Covid than NRL employees.

Which obviously isn’t statistically hard whilst NRL Covid cases are still at Zero.

How about the State Governments attack Mining, Construction and Clothing retail employees who have actually caught and spread the virus.
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I'm confused as to how "religion" is being used to be anti-vax. Which ancient religious text forbids vaccinations? Verses please? I'll bet there aren't any. It's like using religion as an excuse to be anti-5G or something. Ridiculous.

I also note that only 3% of NRL players were against the flu jab. So what about all the other religious or Polynesian players at other clubs that were ok with the jab? Either it's got nothing to do with religion, or they don't take it seriously.

When ScoMo introduced the "no jab no play" policy, I thought initially there was only one minor religious cult somewhere that was believed to be against vaccinations on religious grounds, but later revealed that wasn't the case, so there were no need for exemptions based on religious grounds. But now all of sudden these players are using "religion" to not get the flu shot? Seems convenient.
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edwahu wrote: May 8, 2020, 9:44 am
Neeeegz wrote: May 8, 2020, 9:36 am
edwahu wrote: May 8, 2020, 9:28 am
Neeeegz wrote: May 8, 2020, 8:58 am I know plenty of people over the last 3 years that got so sick they needed weeks off work, and they had the flu shot.
I've never had one personally, and haven't got sick at all in that time.
So, why the **** should people be forced to have something that's not proven as 100% effective ?
Because it's 60% effective? You wear a seatbelt don't you?
What a silly comparison. A seatbelt is better than 60% effective...
Try again
Actually seatbelts are about 50% effective in reducing fatal injuries and 60% at reducing serious injuries in an accident.

Why do you think 60% effectiveness in reducing the flu isn't enough? That's hundreds of thousands of lives saved a year.
Just as an aside, once seat belts were made mandatory, a car accident injury called "flail chest" virtually disappeared from Emergency Depts. Unrestrained drivers would be propelled forward into the centre of the the steering wheel and have their sternum smashed inwards. Steering wheel designs have changed since then to further reduce the likelihood of this happening.
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BJ wrote: May 8, 2020, 12:55 pm
Smurfette wrote:
BJ wrote: May 8, 2020, 9:55 am Queensland government needs to also question their Union affiliates who continue to have their employees work in building construction without Flu jabs and not adhering to social distancing.

Queensland government will also need to ask questions about their State public servants and teachers who have not had their Flu shot.

The Queensland premier seems intent on firing shots at the NRL but never questioning her own hypocrisy.
I genuinely don’t know in the first case, but there is currently no requirement for run of the mill public servants to have a flu shot in Queensland, so I don’t think the comparison is valid (and I think you might have sone biases coming through :) ).

The government’s issue is that the NRL has said they will do one thing, the government has given approval on that basis, and the NRL has turned around and done something else. Raising concerns about that is completely reasonable.
Yes I was actually being glib about the public servants getting Flu shots.

But any biases I have..... are multiplied by NSW and QLD governments who seem happy to publicly fire off shots at the NRL but actively ignore other sectors of business who are acting far worse and have infinitely caught and created more cases of Covid than NRL employees.

Which obviously isn’t statistically hard whilst NRL Covid cases are still at Zero.

How about the State Governments attack Mining, Construction and Clothing retail employees who have actually caught and spread the virus.
Because construction workers and professional rugby league players are not the same??
The construction industry has been deemed an essential service to help and try to prevent the economy from completely collapsing, while the NRL is a niche industry that has managed to get an exemption from state and federal governments and is now trying to move the goal posts from which they agreed. Why is this hard for you to understand??
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Riaan wrote:
BJ wrote: May 8, 2020, 12:55 pm
Smurfette wrote:
BJ wrote: May 8, 2020, 9:55 am Queensland government needs to also question their Union affiliates who continue to have their employees work in building construction without Flu jabs and not adhering to social distancing.

Queensland government will also need to ask questions about their State public servants and teachers who have not had their Flu shot.

The Queensland premier seems intent on firing shots at the NRL but never questioning her own hypocrisy.
I genuinely don’t know in the first case, but there is currently no requirement for run of the mill public servants to have a flu shot in Queensland, so I don’t think the comparison is valid (and I think you might have sone biases coming through :) ).

The government’s issue is that the NRL has said they will do one thing, the government has given approval on that basis, and the NRL has turned around and done something else. Raising concerns about that is completely reasonable.
Yes I was actually being glib about the public servants getting Flu shots.

But any biases I have..... are multiplied by NSW and QLD governments who seem happy to publicly fire off shots at the NRL but actively ignore other sectors of business who are acting far worse and have infinitely caught and created more cases of Covid than NRL employees.

Which obviously isn’t statistically hard whilst NRL Covid cases are still at Zero.

How about the State Governments attack Mining, Construction and Clothing retail employees who have actually caught and spread the virus.
Because construction workers and professional rugby league players are not the same??
The construction industry has been deemed an essential service to help and try to prevent the economy from completely collapsing, while the NRL is a niche industry that has managed to get an exemption from state and federal governments and is now trying to move the goal posts from which they agreed. Why is this hard for you to understand??
What makes you think I don’t understand that?

I’m pointing out the hypocrisy between political comments NOT why some Industry’s should or should not be open for business.

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This is a flu jab nightmare. Whilst I get the jab myself every year, and I understand the risk mitigation around players who don't get it could be at higher risk to covid-19, I am sceptical of the push to enforce this. The example I would use is what would they do in a case of a player being a Type 1 Diabetic. By nature, this puts the player at higher risk of contracting infections etc. They could take the flu shot, but still be at a higher risk. Would this player then be banned? It's opening a pandoras box I think. Sure it's easier if the players just get the jab and move on, but it would be really **** should the premiership window be slammed shut by something like this because Papa is pretty integral to the team, as are Sia and Taps.
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Botman wrote: May 8, 2020, 12:30 pm
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2020, 12:15 pm
Timbo wrote: May 8, 2020, 11:14 am
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:32 am
Smurfette wrote: May 8, 2020, 10:25 am

That’s what I thought. The media reporting this morning suggests otherwise, but I don’t know how accurate it is.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... -flu-jabs/
Peter V'landys says it was in the plan the governments had approved: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-1024676
Peter V'landys has been saying a lot over the last six weeks, with much of it directly contradicted by the government within a few hours of him saying it.
And after that, what V’landys said gets confirmed.
Ive found that very interesting... the cycle is something you can set your watch.
V'landys come out and makes an announcement, state and federal authorities say "well we havent agreed to that, those comments are premature" and within 24 hours the state and federal authorities agree to what was announced.
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V'Landys: The government said we're allowed to do this

Government: Ummm.... no you haven't

V'Landys: Yeah you have

Government: Yeah you have

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I'm pretty sure V'Landys got his approach from The Office. It's exactly how Pam for the Office Administrator job
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1992 wrote: May 7, 2020, 8:48 pm If a woman gets an abortion she is brave and strong...her body..her choice.

If someone does not want to be injected with lord knows what...they are dumb.

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Ah, I knew some **** would bring this argument.

Pray tell, how many other people are affected by a woman's decision to abort? Exactly, nobody. Vaccination and abortion are not comparable topics in the slightest.

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sprintman wrote: May 8, 2020, 11:42 am Listening to Hadley. QLD and NSW CMO’s aren’t happy. Full vacc was a requirement, and guaranteed by the NRL.
Hadley had become a mouthpiece for Ch9 anti-NRL propaganda so I'll take anything he says with a grain of salt. He may be accurate but I can't trust his impartiality on the topic.
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Northern Raider wrote: May 8, 2020, 2:12 pm
sprintman wrote: May 8, 2020, 11:42 am Listening to Hadley. QLD and NSW CMO’s aren’t happy. Full vacc was a requirement, and guaranteed by the NRL.
Hadley had become a mouthpiece for Ch9 anti-NRL propaganda so I'll take anything he says with a grain of salt. He may be accurate but I can't trust his impartiality on the topic.
It's popping up on a few journos on twitter. Governments are saying the NRL promised 100% vaccinations unless medically exempt and that's part of the deal for the restart.

Once again it seems V'landys spoke without consulting anyone.
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BREAKING: re Bryce Cartwright.. He's signed new waiver. HOWEVER, government has made it clear to NRL this morning, new waiver isn't good enough and they want everyone to have a flu shot and "No Jab, No Play" rule enforced. Massive drama to develop during day @7NewsBrisbane


Well this will be interesting.
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If this follows the same pattern as everything else, im setting the line of midday tomorrow before the government agree to allow the competition to restart with the new waivers.
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On this one I'd be happy for the Government to dig the heels in. This is a WH&S requirement to enter a work site under strict biosecurity measures during a global pandemic. If people have a moral issue with it then that's fine but they cannot enter that work site without having the shot.
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Re: NRL makes landmark call on Canberra Raiders trio

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Northern Raider wrote: May 8, 2020, 2:51 pm On this one I'd be happy for the Government to dig the heels in. This is a WH&S requirement to enter a work site under strict biosecurity measures during a global pandemic. If people have a moral issue with it then that's fine but they cannot enter that work site without having the shot.
Me too. I hope they do stick to their guns.
V'landys seems to get what he wants though from what ive seen
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Re: NRL makes landmark call on Canberra Raiders trio

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Northern Raider wrote: May 8, 2020, 2:51 pm On this one I'd be happy for the Government to dig the heels in. This is a WH&S requirement to enter a work site under strict biosecurity measures during a global pandemic. If people have a moral issue with it then that's fine but they cannot enter that work site without having the shot.
As would I.

My disappointment in these three is immeasurable and I would rather play without them than pander to their sense of entitlement.
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