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Really interesting discussion on MMM the other day regarding channel 9. It was the belief that 9 wanted to move away from live sport and they were fully expecting that 9 wouldn't pay to continue with the league this year and that the GF and also SOS would be on a different free to air tv station. If this all happens and Greenberg is also sacked, this could be great for Rugby league. The game might start to grow and develop in a professional manner. It would be fantastic to see some of the 9 media people lose a lot of their power over the game.
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Surely it makes more sense to relocate four teams (Broncos, Cowboys, Titans, Storm) to Sydney temporarily than to relocate six teams to Brisbane...
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Nah screw ‘em. I’m sure Foxtel are dying for footy and I bet channel 7 or 10 would be willing to kick channel 9 if they want to bitch about a solution in a pandemic.
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greeneyed wrote: April 9, 2020, 2:14 pm
Northern Raider wrote: April 9, 2020, 2:02 pm
greeneyed wrote: April 9, 2020, 12:32 pm Channel Nine launch attack on NRL

Channel 9 has launched a stunning attack on the NRL in a spray that could end the career of CEO Todd Greenberg. The NRL is about to sign off on a May season return date but has apparently not properly consulted Channel 9.

“At 9 we had hoped to work with the NRL on a solution to the issues facing rugby league in 2020, brought on so starkly by COVID-19,” a spokesperson told the Herald.“But this health crisis in our community has highlighted the mismanagement of the code over many years.

Read more: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 15ced907e3

Nine for years, underpaid the NRL, and have exploited it to the maximum degree... rather than act as a genuine partner to build the code. They still seem to think they should administer the NRL and decide upon the scheduling of matches.
Interesting stuff. Agree with you that Ch9 has dictated to the NRL for far too long. What surprised me is that any proposed new format has not been vetted by the broadcaster given they will be source of funds for it. NRL provide the product, TV sells it to the public. Neither one can succeed without the other.
Maybe they could have just picked up the phone? They've reportedly been very uncooperative in talks to date. They clearly see this as an opportunity to ditch the contract at current rates and low ball the NRL on a new one. The NRL should stand up to them. I fully expect V'landys will.
Yeah, you're probably right there. No such bleating from Foxsports.
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Sounds like 9 trying to browbeat a weak leader and weakened game into accepting peanuts for 9's best sporting property.

If League starts again during lockdown it will get hyuge ratings, crowds or no. Possibly worldwide interest too if it starts before most other leagues are up and running.

I think this is a negotiating tactic really. 9 is going to lowball or attempt a renegotiation and will run a "NRL is about to kill the game, these turkeys are dangerous. They'll end up with nothing! " line if NRL pushes back against it.

I don't rate Todd as an NRL administrator and NRL is vastly bloated as an organisation- Premier League football is orders of magnitude bigger in $$$, plays 600 games a year from 20 teams, manages teams coming up and down divisions and does it all with 140 employees. NRL needs 400+ apparently...

BUT they should tell 9 to go jump, as if 9 has ever done anything to help grow the game. Channel 7, Channel 10, this could be the chance to put a bullet in 9 and scoop a miracle deal during the crisis.
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Broadcast pressures could prompt NRL to play full season from May 28

The NRL will push forward with plans to restart the season on May 28 but will need to come to an agreement with its broadcast partners over the value of the rights deal before signing off on the proposal. The NRL put two proposals on the table and planned to consult with clubs and players before deciding on either a 15-round competition that would see all teams play each other once or a 16-round, two-conference system.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-to ... 54ime.html

NRL now considering fulfilling its contractual obligations and playing the remaining 22 rounds of football that could see the competition head into November: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 15ced907e3

AUDIO: Don Furner spoke with Mark Levy and Billy Slater on WWOS radio earlier to discuss his role with the NRL Innovation committee: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2020/04 ... wos-radio/
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Nine didn't invest a cent in the game. They bought content which they desperately needed and probably kept them afloat.
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They're trying to hold the NRL to ransom cause they're so far up **** creek, but nines up **** creek without the NRL

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edwahu wrote: April 9, 2020, 3:59 pm Nine didn't invest a cent in the game. They bought content which they desperately needed and probably kept them afloat.
Correct. Any money they spent was to produce a program, which they sold for advertising, for a significant profit. They invested nothing in the game.
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BadnMean wrote: April 9, 2020, 3:02 pm Sounds like 9 trying to browbeat a weak leader and weakened game into accepting peanuts for 9's best sporting property.

If League starts again during lockdown it will get hyuge ratings, crowds or no. Possibly worldwide interest too if it starts before most other leagues are up and running.

I think this is a negotiating tactic really. 9 is going to lowball or attempt a renegotiation and will run a "NRL is about to kill the game, these turkeys are dangerous. They'll end up with nothing! " line if NRL pushes back against it.

I don't rate Todd as an NRL administrator and NRL is vastly bloated as an organisation- Premier League football is orders of magnitude bigger in $$$, plays 600 games a year from 20 teams, manages teams coming up and down divisions and does it all with 140 employees. NRL needs 400+ apparently...

BUT they should tell 9 to go jump, as if 9 has ever done anything to help grow the game. Channel 7, Channel 10, this could be the chance to put a bullet in 9 and scoop a miracle deal during the crisis.
Would be very hard to value the comp as a TV package when it does restart. I reckon it will smash the ratings as everybody will have had a gutfull of Netflix and be chomping at the bit for some live sport. That can't be assumed though. Also there's the uncertainty how long it might go e.g. postive test sees it all put on ice again. Could end up a fee per game with bonuses indexed to ratings.

The comparison to Premier League was brought up in another thread. It's an apples and oranges situation.
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May 28 has been confirmed but not the structure at this stage - Pearce on Ch9
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If Nine can’t see the value in their rugby league contract, that’s their fault not the NRL’s.

Nine also shouldn’t have agreed to a contract that allows Foxtel to simulcast all games. That was dumb.

Nine should have also sought the ability to FTA broadcast some Saturday games on delay.
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ARL Commission aiming to restart the 2020 NRL season on May 28

The ARL Commission has announced the NRL is planning to restart the competition on May 28 after its innovations committee and the ARL Commission each met on Thursday. A phone hook-up was then held with representatives from each of the 16 clubs to discuss the rescheduling required for the 2020 Telstra Premiership.

"The details on the competition structure we haven't got yet because the landscape is changing around government boundaries. That will feed into the complexity structure.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/04/09/may ... o-restart/

2020 NRL premiership to resume

The Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) has endorsed a proposal from the Project Apollo committee to resume the Telstra NRL Premiership on May 28.

Resumption of the competition remains subject to ongoing advice from government and health experts and continued consultation with all broadcast partners to determine the optimum way to fulfill broadcast obligations.

Project Apollo met this morning and recommended the following to the Commission:

The Telstra Premiership resume on May 28;
State of Origin to be played in a standard 3-game format;
The NRL Grand Final to be played in Sydney as a standard 1 game format.
The National Rugby League (NRL) will continue to work with governments in Queensland, Victoria and New Zealand about what restrictions may look like at the end of May.

ARLC Chair Peter V’landys said based on current advice and government approvals the competition was ready to commence on May 28.

“Our goal is to give as much certainty as we can in uncertain times. There is clear evidence the curve is flattening. The NSW Government has done a great job in reducing the infection rate from 22.27% when we suspended the competition to 1.43% today,’’ he said.

“The situation is changing dramatically and we need to get moving. It is in the best interests of our clubs, our players, our stakeholders and importantly our fans that the competition resumes as quickly and as safely as possible.

“We have said right from the start that what we say today may need to change tomorrow. We will be flexible, and if the trend changes or if government restrictions change then so will we. The health and safety of our players and the general public remains the absolute priority.”

Project Apollo Chair Wayne Pearce said the committee’s focus was to find a pathway for the competition to resume as quickly and safely as possible.

“I want to thank everyone involved in the committee, and other stakeholders who assisted Project Apollo, for the manner in which they have attacked our challenge,’’ he said.

“As a game, we are all united in doing everything we can to resume the competition. Project Apollo discussed some of the most innovative ways to not only resume the competition but to revolutionise the game and the work completed will be useful for the years to come.

“There is still more work to do but we have built a strong platform to resume our game.”

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NRL aiming for May 28 return date: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

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BJ wrote:If Nine can’t see the value in their rugby league contract, that’s their fault not the NRL’s.

Nine also shouldn’t have agreed to a contract that allows Foxtel to simulcast all games. That was dumb.

Nine should have also sought the ability to FTA broadcast some Saturday games on delay.
It was so fox didn't bid for state of origin and tests as it's a seperate deal

They also on sold the 7.30 saturday game for 20 rounds each season

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BJ wrote: Nine also shouldn’t have agreed to a contract that allows Foxtel to simulcast all games. That was dumb.
Or alternately, they could stop delivering a commentary team and view of the game that is stuck in the last millennium...
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Braith Anasta on Fox League Live... why? He clearly hasn't even read the articles that have appeared today, on the options being considered. Sam Burgess seems intelligent in comparison...
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Sam Burgess actually sounds intelligent in this discussion

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-TW- wrote: April 9, 2020, 4:03 pm They're trying to hold the NRL to ransom cause they're so far up **** creek, but nines up **** creek without the NRL

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Yeah, on one hand Ch9 are trying to dictate terms and screw the NRL down on the contract value by saying they aren't that interested in broadcasting live sport anymore etc.

On the other hand, every **** man and his dog knows that advertising during live sport is just about the only way you make money on FTA TV these days.

They don't own the game anymore. The NRL have options. Ch9 should be pleading with the NRL for any level of live content they can receive.
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Sam Burgess and Braith Anasta still going on about a "conference" system on Fox League Live and, presumably, a Super Bowl style play off. I can understand the Sydney teams love the idea of guaranteeing that there is a Sydney team in the Grand Final every year. And avoids the "horror" of out of Sydney teams meeting on the big day. But it also means two Sydney teams could never meet in the Grand Final... only in a conference final. Nor could one town teams like Brisbane, Melbourne, Canberra, Newcastle etc ever meet in a Grand Final. It seems crazy to me.

They effectively already have "conferences" of sorts. They pit the Sydney teams against each other as much as possible already... and likewise for out of Sydney teams. But at least all teams have a chance of making the finals, irrespective of that, and all teams can potentially meet in the Grand Final.

Personally, I dislike what's happening now, because it gives the Sydney teams the advantage of minimal travel, while out of Sydney teams must travel a LOT. Conferences would institutionalise it... and have further downsides to boot.
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Watching ACA run a piece on it. Hammering the NRL and getting lots of opinion from commentators paid by Ch9. You'll be shocked to know that they are pushing the Ch9 agenda.
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-TW- wrote: April 9, 2020, 4:56 pm
BJ wrote:If Nine can’t see the value in their rugby league contract, that’s their fault not the NRL’s.

Nine also shouldn’t have agreed to a contract that allows Foxtel to simulcast all games. That was dumb.

Nine should have also sought the ability to FTA broadcast some Saturday games on delay.
It was so fox didn't bid for state of origin and tests as it's a seperate deal

They also on sold the 7.30 saturday game for 20 rounds each season

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The NRL should offer to annul the contract with Nine and move on with their lives.
Seven and Ten would climb overselves for a live sports rating bonza that is RL...

But it wont come to that, Nine are trying to flex their muscles, as well they should. That's their job to make sure they have as much say in this as possible to mamimise their outcome... The NRLs job is to do what is best for the code... this nonsense will get sorted out in the end because ultimately the NRL probably wants to go back to BAU as quickly and quietly as possible and Nine need RL.
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I could see Ten picking it up. They have a dearth of live sport even when sport happens and they have CBS money. And the NRL is a moneyspinner.
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raiderskater wrote:I could see Ten picking it up. They have a dearth of live sport even when sport happens and they have CBS money. And the NRL is a moneyspinner.
Channel Ten would only pick up the NRL if it was on sale at the $2 shop.
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gangrenous wrote: April 9, 2020, 5:14 pm
BJ wrote: Nine also shouldn’t have agreed to a contract that allows Foxtel to simulcast all games. That was dumb.
Or alternately, they could stop delivering a commentary team and view of the game that is stuck in the last millennium...
The commentary in the previous millennium was streets ahead of the **** being dished up now. Currently, there is zero quality control.
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yeh raiders wrote:
gangrenous wrote: April 9, 2020, 5:14 pm
BJ wrote: Nine also shouldn’t have agreed to a contract that allows Foxtel to simulcast all games. That was dumb.
Or alternately, they could stop delivering a commentary team and view of the game that is stuck in the last millennium...
The commentary in the previous millennium was streets ahead of the **** being dished up now. Currently, there is zero quality control.
Have to agree. Channel 9 commentators are dismally woeful. There’s absolutely no real insight at all.

Rehashed comments about players and too much focus on superstars and fan favourites.
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The anti-NRL propaganda campaign currently being run by Ch9 is quite nauseating.
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I’ve often struggled to get my head around 9s and it’s commentators attitude towards the game. It’s a product they have paid money for, and do such a bad job of promoting it in a positive light. Look at the year that there was a ref clamp down. Gould, Johns and co were so freakin negative about it, that they themselves were turning people away from the game. ‘No no no no no.....’ we shouldn’t have to listed to a promoter of the game shamelessly bagging out the game itself. They created the narrative that the game was being ruined by actually officiating the games to the rules of the game.

The constant negativity towards the video ref from those 2 drives the agenda against that as well.

It really is a bitter group, that is not painting their own product positively - it’s really bizarre. You would think the 9 marketing team would sit them down and tell them pull their heads in.
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Northern Raider wrote: April 10, 2020, 10:42 am The anti-NRL propaganda campaign currently being run by Ch9 is quite nauseating.
Given they claim to be the home of the NRL and are still running programs to profit from the game, it is absolutely despicable.
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Coastalraider wrote: April 10, 2020, 11:01 am I’ve often struggled to get my head around 9s and it’s commentators attitude towards the game. It’s a product they have paid money for, and do such a bad job of promoting it in a positive light. Look at the year that there was a ref clamp down. Gould, Johns and co were so freakin negative about it, that they themselves were turning people away from the game. ‘No no no no no.....’ we shouldn’t have to listed to a promoter of the game shamelessly bagging out the game itself. They created the narrative that the game was being ruined by actually officiating the games to the rules of the game.

The constant negativity towards the video ref from those 2 drives the agenda against that as well.

It really is a bitter group, that is not painting their own product positively - it’s really bizarre. You would think the 9 marketing team would sit them down and tell them pull their heads in.
You would think so, but look at what their management has just done... disgraceful. The NRL should find a new broadcast partner as soon as it is practicable.
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greeneyed wrote: April 10, 2020, 11:10 am
Northern Raider wrote: April 10, 2020, 10:42 am The anti-NRL propaganda campaign currently being run by Ch9 is quite nauseating.
Given they claim to be the home of the NRL and are still running programs to profit from the game, it is absolutely despicable.
Clear agenda to devalue the game so they can rework the broadcast rights on the cheap. Unfortunately they know the majority of the rugby league fan community is not smart enough to see through them.
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Hope this encourages the NRL to change FTA networks come the next rights deal.
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That is one of the good things about the NFL broadcasters. They actively support the game and promote games even on another network. Just look at at the Sunday footy show. They promote the heck out of the Sunday afternoon game even if it is a dud game with barely a mention of the other game even if it is a blockbuster.
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Channel 9 have been **** since the day Kerry Packer died.

I know nothing about running a TV network, but I do know they are doing a terrible job of it. It beggars belief that any company can pay hundreds of millions of $$ for a product and then do such horrible job of using or promoting it. They are dead set idiots.

Same with their cricket coverage. From a world leading and innovative product to absolutely hopeless.
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Seiffert82 wrote: April 10, 2020, 11:33 am Channel 9 have been **** since the day Kerry Packer died.

I know nothing about running a TV network, but I do know they are doing a terrible job of it. It beggars belief that any company can pay hundreds of millions of $$ for a product and then do such horrible job of using or promoting it. They are dead set idiots.

Same with their cricket coverage. From a world leading and innovative product to absolutely hopeless.
They've been unable to move with the times. Had a formula and stuck with it well beyond its use by date. Whenever under threat they go on the attack with these old school media driven agendas underneath the thin veil of news stories. Always have the mentality they will tell the viewing public what it wants.
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Northern Raider wrote: April 10, 2020, 12:01 pm
Seiffert82 wrote: April 10, 2020, 11:33 am Channel 9 have been **** since the day Kerry Packer died.

I know nothing about running a TV network, but I do know they are doing a terrible job of it. It beggars belief that any company can pay hundreds of millions of $$ for a product and then do such horrible job of using or promoting it. They are dead set idiots.

Same with their cricket coverage. From a world leading and innovative product to absolutely hopeless.
They've been unable to move with the times. Had a formula and stuck with it well beyond its use by date. Whenever under threat they go on the attack with these old school media driven agendas underneath the thin veil of news stories. Always have the mentality they will tell the viewing public what it wants.
Yep. I simply cannot fathom how a company can undermine its own product so successfully! It's absolutely mind blowing how inept they are.
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