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Bay53 wrote: March 22, 2020, 2:00 pm
greeneyed wrote: March 22, 2020, 1:40 pm Canberra Raiders unlikely to be able to rely on licensed clubs during coronavirus pandemic

Canberra Raiders chief executive Don Furner admits if the NRL is forced to cancel games then they would be under financial pressure and would struggle to rely on the backing of their licensed clubs. Licensed clubs are facing an uncertain future of their own with the government potentially shutting down venues.

"We'll be under pressure. The same as every sporting club in every sport," Furner said. "The leagues clubs are under their own pressure in regards to the lockout of 100 people and less.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

Prime Minister's travel ban won't force season to shut down

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced the federal government will work with the NRL and the AFL as the sports try to continue their competitions during the global coronavirus pandemic.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/03/21/cor ... t-updates/
The reality is the sport and the 16 clubs will survive if the sport and the 16 clubs are willing to work together to make it survive.

The current salary cap is $9.6 million. The 16 clubs are all able to pay that, plus a lot of staff whether they be in football operations, medical, membership, marketing, community programs etc. The sport has been able to build superb training facilities and have a fantastic competition. It probably cost $20 million per year to run a NRL club and if you aren’t spending that, you will struggle to be competitive.

However, going forward the cloth may have to be cut differently. Salary cap may only be able to be $6-7 million per year and clubs may have to be leaner off the field. If that is the case we can still have a competition. The problem starts when those clubs who still can afford the $20 million are allowed to keep spending it, whilst the clubs that can only afford $12 million are uncompetitive or worse spending the $20 million by going further into debt. Eventually the string breaks and clubs fold.

We need to remember that Covid-19, no matter how long it goes for, is not going to make rugby league less popular. (Assuming they don’t do something completely stupid). Provided this doesn’t wipe out half the population, or make the community so economically destitute, we will still have a great game to go back to.

In fact, I think that once this is all over, we are going to see record crowds like we have never seen before.
That makes sense. Rugby league won't disappear but it will change. With the NRL that could mean lower pay, less teams, more cost cutting etc.

By continuing to play right now they're trying to avoid any dramatic change and come out the other side with roughly the same competition we have had up till now.
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Prime Minister's travel ban won’t stop NRL as V’landys says: ‘The longer we go the better’

Prime Minister Scott Morrison put a ban on non-essential travel on Sunday. But V’Landys, however, said that while the NRL continued to use private jets to take players between cities, the block didn’t apply to rugby league.

Read more: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... e27274eec4

V'landys: Penalties 'won't be soft' if players break self-isolation rules: https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/03/22/vla ... ion-rules/
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Fox League suggesting AFL is set to announce a shut down to the season after tonight.
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I find it hard to believe that I can't drive to Tamworth for a wedding but the Raiders can fly to Qld.
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Oh..and its Rugbrugh League..thanks Pete..carry on !!
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gangrenous wrote: March 22, 2020, 12:15 pm
Northern Raider wrote: The AFL and NRL basically stop if they don’t travel so that’s about as essential as it gets. I also believe keeping the footy on as long a season possible is very important for public morale. Especially with so many people meant to be self isolating.
I’m not buying what you’re selling.

Read a book people. Watch endless hours of tv and movies.
Only goes so far. I’d much rather have some footy throw in too.
Wouldn’t we all? But you can’t class it as “very important” for public morale. It’s just not.
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gangrenous wrote: March 22, 2020, 2:38 pm
Northern Raider wrote:
gangrenous wrote: March 22, 2020, 12:15 pm
Northern Raider wrote: The AFL and NRL basically stop if they don’t travel so that’s about as essential as it gets. I also believe keeping the footy on as long a season possible is very important for public morale. Especially with so many people meant to be self isolating.
I’m not buying what you’re selling.

Read a book people. Watch endless hours of tv and movies.
Only goes so far. I’d much rather have some footy throw in too.
Wouldn’t we all? But you can’t class it as “very important” for public morale. It’s just not.
Ok so you're picking on a couple of words. I'll modify it to "somewhat useful".
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Northern Raider wrote: Not sure skewed is the right word here. It's not definitive based on the point you made. It's still the best data we have. Health authorities have identified the most likely targets and have focused testing on those people. The rate of positive cases is now less than 1 in 100.
Skewed is absolutely the correct word when your sampling is biased.

As I said to you the other day. Because the data is the best you have, doesn’t make it good or useful. Here given the biased nature of the sampling you should definitely consider the impact of that, make educated assumptions and discuss them in your assessments. Not operate straight off the raw data as the only data you have.
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gangrenous wrote: March 22, 2020, 2:41 pm
Northern Raider wrote: Not sure skewed is the right word here. It's not definitive based on the point you made. It's still the best data we have. Health authorities have identified the most likely targets and have focused testing on those people. The rate of positive cases is now less than 1 in 100.
Skewed is absolutely the correct word when your sampling is biased.

As I said to you the other day. Because the data is the best you have, doesn’t make it good or useful. Here given the biased nature of the sampling you should definitely consider the impact of that, make educated assumptions and discuss them in your assessments. Not operate straight off the raw data as the only data you have.
Ok it's skewed. Now what?
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Northern Raider wrote:
gangrenous wrote: March 22, 2020, 2:38 pm
Northern Raider wrote:
gangrenous wrote: March 22, 2020, 12:15 pm
Northern Raider wrote: The AFL and NRL basically stop if they don’t travel so that’s about as essential as it gets. I also believe keeping the footy on as long a season possible is very important for public morale. Especially with so many people meant to be self isolating.
I’m not buying what you’re selling.

Read a book people. Watch endless hours of tv and movies.
Only goes so far. I’d much rather have some footy throw in too.
Wouldn’t we all? But you can’t class it as “very important” for public morale. It’s just not.
Ok so you're picking on a couple of words. I'll modify it to "somewhat useful".
I’m happy with that. Image

And the flow on is that it just isn’t that important to ensure the ongoing viability of “somewhat useful” if it puts people at risk. Worst outcome from your book is a paper cut.
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Northern Raider wrote:Ok it's skewed. Now what?
Now in a time when accurate information is important, we should all take care in mentioning the limitations or unknowns in given data or information.

As was pointed out earlier, saying definitively there has been no person to person communication in the ACT has the strong potential to be misleading. The lack of testing for this declaration means there’s a decent chance it’s simply not true.
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Dr Zaius wrote:
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greeneyed wrote:Prime Minister says that all non essential travel should be cancelled. Excludes travel required for your job or on compassionate grounds. Northern Territory saying it will close borders on Tuesday. "National Cabinet" meeting tonight... won't be surprised if all States close borders at some point.
People should somehow be banned from travelling from town to town right now. We have no cases in Rocky and there’s no evidence of transmission in Rocky and the only way it’s going to come here is if people bring it here!

There is literally no benefit to people in Rocky at present not going out or not socialising. The key is preventing people bringing the disease here by limiting non-essential travel.
Um I hate to tell you, but there has been a case in Rockie
It’s not a case of community transmission though. It was somebody who travelled here, was isolated, and has since recovered. There’s absolutely zero evidence of any community transmission.

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With the AFL been forced to shutdown I would think that much of the media will now be very negative towards the NRL continuing.
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Domestic travel ban adds further turmoil to NRL and Canberra Raiders seasons

It's not just the finances facing an uncertain future, but the federal government's planned domestic travel ban has cast another pall of uncertainty over the NRL and the Canberra Raiders.

NRL chairman Peter V'landys was confident the travel ban wouldn't stop games going ahead.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

AFL shuts down 2020 season indefinitely: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... a7d8ae81fe
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The Nickman wrote: March 22, 2020, 2:51 pm
Dr Zaius wrote:
The Nickman wrote:
greeneyed wrote:Prime Minister says that all non essential travel should be cancelled. Excludes travel required for your job or on compassionate grounds. Northern Territory saying it will close borders on Tuesday. "National Cabinet" meeting tonight... won't be surprised if all States close borders at some point.
People should somehow be banned from travelling from town to town right now. We have no cases in Rocky and there’s no evidence of transmission in Rocky and the only way it’s going to come here is if people bring it here!

There is literally no benefit to people in Rocky at present not going out or not socialising. The key is preventing people bringing the disease here by limiting non-essential travel.
Um I hate to tell you, but there has been a case in Rockie
It’s not a case of community transmission though. It was somebody who travelled here, was isolated, and has since recovered. There’s absolutely zero evidence of any community transmission.
Yet
The Nickman wrote: March 22, 2020, 2:51 pm You’re better than this, Doc.
Oh please. I am not.
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edwahu wrote: March 22, 2020, 3:14 pm With the AFL been forced to shutdown I would think that much of the media will now be very negative towards the NRL continuing.
Someone gets it.
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On a brighter note...

We sit atop the NRL ladder.

If it's called off tonight..WE WIN..!!
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-PJ- wrote: March 22, 2020, 3:35 pm On a brighter note...

We sit atop the NRL ladder.

If it's called off tonight..WE WIN..!!
We might want to start barracking for the Tigers in the next hour.
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AFL currently announcing suspension until May 31

Including training
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Dr Zaius wrote: March 22, 2020, 3:43 pm AFL currently announcing suspension until May 21

Including training
May 31 actually, but who knows.
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Bay53 wrote: March 22, 2020, 3:40 pm
-PJ- wrote: March 22, 2020, 3:35 pm On a brighter note...

We sit atop the NRL ladder.

If it's called off tonight..WE WIN..!!
We might want to start barracking for the Tigers in the next hour.
Absolutely, if the Knights are to win it needs to be by less than 12.
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Bay53 wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote: March 22, 2020, 3:43 pm AFL currently announcing suspension until May 21

Including training
May 31 actually, but who knows.
Oops. Updated
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The AFL was left with no choice with SA and WA effectively "closing their borders", by requiring self isolation for anyone who enters.

If NSW, Victoria, Queensland and the ACT follow, the NRL in all liklihood don't have any choice either. They would have had to take the "Townsville option" earlier to avoid it.

I don't really care what the AFL decide. The NRL will do the right thing for the NRL and I'm sure the rugby league community will support what they decide, as they're showing a great deal of leadership.
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greeneyed wrote:The AFL was left with no choice with SA and WA effectively "closing their borders", by requiring self isolation for anyone who enters.

If NSW, Victoria, Queensland and the ACT follow, the NRL in all liklihood don't have any choice either. They would have had to take the "Townsville option" earlier to avoid it.

I don't really care what the AFL decide. The NRL will do the right thing for the NRL and I'm sure the rugby league community will support what they decide, as they're showing a great deal of leadership.
How do they have “no choice”? Why not just force the WA and SA teams to go and live in a coronarivus hot spot like, I dunno... the Gold Coast??
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-PJ- wrote: March 22, 2020, 3:53 pm
Bay53 wrote: March 22, 2020, 3:40 pm
-PJ- wrote: March 22, 2020, 3:35 pm On a brighter note...

We sit atop the NRL ladder.

If it's called off tonight..WE WIN..!!
We might want to start barracking for the Tigers in the next hour.
Absolutely, if the Knights are to win it needs to be by less than 12.
On the edge of our seats. Every time Knight kick away the Tigers get one back.
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Run the NRL out of Canberra. All players locked down at Camp Cottormouth and playing out of Bruce and Vikings Erindale.
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BJ wrote:Run the NRL out of Canberra. All players locked down at Camp Cottormouth and playing out of Bruce and Vikings Erindale.
Why not house them in Parliament House? That’s going to be free.
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ACT to shut down all non-essential services

The ACT will institute a territory-wide shutdown within 48 hours.

ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr said all non-essential services would be closed.

"I believe this decision is in the best interest of Canberrans, and will help slow the spread of COVID-19 in our community. Despite measures in place to discourage social interaction, there are still too many instances where people are exposing themselves to contracting the virus which is leading to an unsustainable increase in confirmed cases across the country," he said.

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NRL reaffirms commitment to play on

The NRL has reaffirmed its commitment on Sunday to continue playing the Telstra Premiership season for the time being.

ARL chairman Peter V'landys said it was the Commission's intention to proceed with the competition until there is advice from government to shut down matches.

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BJ wrote:Run the NRL out of Canberra. All players locked down at Camp Cottormouth and playing out of Bruce and Vikings Erindale.
Or perhaps send them somewhere that ISN’T about to become a coronavirus hotspot?

Somewhere in China maybe?
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-PJ- wrote: March 22, 2020, 2:37 pm Oh..and its Rugbrugh League..thanks Pete..carry on !!
The letter Y died of coronavirus.

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If a player gets it and spreads it, it will be a public relations disaster for them
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greeneyed wrote: March 22, 2020, 4:09 pm The AFL was left with no choice with SA and WA effectively "closing their borders", by requiring self isolation for anyone who enters.

If NSW, Victoria, Queensland and the ACT follow, the NRL in all liklihood don't have any choice either. They would have had to take the "Townsville option" earlier to avoid it.

I don't really care what the AFL decide. The NRL will do the right thing for the NRL and I'm sure the rugby league community will support what they decide, as they're showing a great deal of leadership.
Steve, if the NRL was to continue, it would be the only professional sporting code IN THE WORLD still going. I know this is the utopia you have always dreamed of, but you just need to be realistic.

I am now firmly of the belief that continuing now will do more harm for the sport in the long term than the short term gain.
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On another note...BJ is stinking it up
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Bay53 wrote: March 22, 2020, 4:52 pm
greeneyed wrote: March 22, 2020, 4:09 pm The AFL was left with no choice with SA and WA effectively "closing their borders", by requiring self isolation for anyone who enters.

If NSW, Victoria, Queensland and the ACT follow, the NRL in all liklihood don't have any choice either. They would have had to take the "Townsville option" earlier to avoid it.

I don't really care what the AFL decide. The NRL will do the right thing for the NRL and I'm sure the rugby league community will support what they decide, as they're showing a great deal of leadership.
Steve, if the NRL was to continue, it would be the only professional sporting code IN THE WORLD still going. I know this is the utopia you have always dreamed of, but you just need to be realistic.

I am now firmly of the belief that continuing now will do more harm for the sport in the long term than the short term gain.
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