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After the Courts have finished with Scott I expect the NRL will give him 8-10 weeks.
Scott will get no criminal record or charges he will have to pay a fine probably Community Service etc I don’t expect him to go to jail. So whatever happens I am certain he will be stood down for a long time by the NRL.
Just a note if it were you or I that did what Scott did we would get a harsher Court penalty for sure because we aren’t sports star. I’m just saying.....
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Elcaptcroker wrote: February 18, 2020, 10:55 pm
Finchy wrote:
-TW- wrote: February 18, 2020, 9:56 pm Apparently it's a thing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.co ... 53zmv.html

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That's crazy. I can't believe I'm agreeing with a Greens member on something, but the quote was spot on:

"NSW Greens MP David Shoebridge, who obtained the information, said personal searches could be traumatising and were only meant to be undertaken when police were satisfied they were necessary.

"The fact that people are being stopped and searched, not to address the circumstances on the ground, but to meet arbitrary quotas, is a dreadful development," he said.

“It is particularly troubling that thousands of these quota-driven searches are in fact strip searches with all the distress and trauma that they can bring."

Strip searches, of which almost 5700 took place in the 2018 calendar year, require officers to meet a higher legal threshold than general searches, which range from a frisking to asking someone to remove outer layers of clothing.

The police spokesperson said under state law officers must hold a reasonable suspicion when executing searches.

"A search cannot be conducted if this criteria is not met,"
the spokesperson said."




Clearly these "target numbers" do exist, but I'm not sure exact figures are being given to all police units on a daily basis. Unlike say, conducting random breath tests (where anyone can be stopped anywhere anytime), a cop can't search anyone anywhere anytime, there has to be certain criteria met, which can't be controlled.
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They're not legally allowed to do searches without a reason, let alone random ones. If it happens, they should be getting sued each and every time.
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“greeneyed” wrote:Canberra Raiders recruit Curtis Scott hit with seventh charge over Moore Park arrest

Canberra recruit Curtis Scott has been hit with a seventh charge by police in relation to his Moore Park arrest - behaving in an offensive manner in or near a public place or school.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/scott- ... 541w8.html
Scott charged with 7th offense. Is this a reflection of a growing realisation that some of the original charges are not going to stick?
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Would say so.
Cops are embarrassed/cranky about the way this is playing out so far. They want him found guilty of something

The courts maybe kinder to celebrities/footballers then the average Joe but the cops are often tougher
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Finchy wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:39 am
Elcaptcroker wrote: February 18, 2020, 10:55 pm
Finchy wrote:
-TW- wrote: February 18, 2020, 9:56 pm Apparently it's a thing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.co ... 53zmv.html

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That's crazy. I can't believe I'm agreeing with a Greens member on something, but the quote was spot on:

"NSW Greens MP David Shoebridge, who obtained the information, said personal searches could be traumatising and were only meant to be undertaken when police were satisfied they were necessary.

"The fact that people are being stopped and searched, not to address the circumstances on the ground, but to meet arbitrary quotas, is a dreadful development," he said.

“It is particularly troubling that thousands of these quota-driven searches are in fact strip searches with all the distress and trauma that they can bring."

Strip searches, of which almost 5700 took place in the 2018 calendar year, require officers to meet a higher legal threshold than general searches, which range from a frisking to asking someone to remove outer layers of clothing.

The police spokesperson said under state law officers must hold a reasonable suspicion when executing searches.

"A search cannot be conducted if this criteria is not met,"
the spokesperson said."




Clearly these "target numbers" do exist, but I'm not sure exact figures are being given to all police units on a daily basis. Unlike say, conducting random breath tests (where anyone can be stopped anywhere anytime), a cop can't search anyone anywhere anytime, there has to be certain criteria met, which can't be controlled.
And someone earlier in this thread swore police didnt do random searches with out reason ImageImageImage


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They're not legally allowed to do searches without a reason, let alone random ones. If it happens, they should be getting sued each and every time.
The people they randomly search might jack up at the time but once its over they let it go.
They either don't have the resources or the knowledge to persue it further
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In NSW, police can conduct searches if they have a “reasonable suspicion” that the person is question may be in a possession of a prohibited substance etc.

The term reasonable suspicion, in a legal sense, provides such a low threshold that police can, practically speaking, legally undertake random searches in most circumstances.

The threshold used to be reasonable belief which was a slightly higher threshold to satisfy.
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Dylan’s Raiders wrote: February 19, 2020, 12:05 pm In NSW, police can conduct searches if they have a “reasonable suspicion” that the person is question may be in a possession of a prohibited substance etc.

The term reasonable suspicion, in a legal sense, provides such a low threshold that police can, practically speaking, legally undertake random searches in most circumstances.

The threshold used to be reasonable belief which was a slightly higher threshold to satisfy.
They can't justify searching absolutely anyone though, even with a "low threshold". If you're a businessman (or woman) on your way to work, sitting a train, the cops can't just rock up to you and say "Hi, you're being detained for a random search."

They'd be targeting either crooks or people that look like crooks, checking if they have a ticket/Opal card, do a check on their history, etc, then maybe ask a few questions about drug use etc, then maybe form some sort of reasonable suspicion the person either has drugs or stolen property on them.

If they were turning over absolutely anyone anywhere anytime, they better need a lawyer son, they better get a real good one.
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Green Blogger wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:49 am
“greeneyed” wrote:Canberra Raiders recruit Curtis Scott hit with seventh charge over Moore Park arrest

Canberra recruit Curtis Scott has been hit with a seventh charge by police in relation to his Moore Park arrest - behaving in an offensive manner in or near a public place or school.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/scott- ... 541w8.html
Scott charged with 7th offense. Is this a reflection of a growing realisation that some of the original charges are not going to stick?
With the amount of media attention this is now getting, they're possibly feeling a bit nervous.

However, now that Greenberg has seen the video, what happens if he has to decide prior to the court verdict that Scott shouldn't be stood down? (Scott's next court date currently sits at March 20, a week after the Raiders first game). He's put himself and the NRL in the position of possibly pre-empting a court decision to dismiss the charges. Obviously, calling a stand down "the no fault stance" takes the question of pre-empting a guilty verdict out of the equation. I'm not a lawyer, but this could be risking a contempt charge. So, most likely Greenberg will dodge that risk and stand down Scott until its all over.
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Green Blogger wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:49 am
“greeneyed” wrote:Canberra Raiders recruit Curtis Scott hit with seventh charge over Moore Park arrest

Canberra recruit Curtis Scott has been hit with a seventh charge by police in relation to his Moore Park arrest - behaving in an offensive manner in or near a public place or school.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/scott- ... 541w8.html
Scott charged with 7th offense. Is this a reflection of a growing realisation that some of the original charges are not going to stick?
Quite possible. New charges being laid are often a prelude to some original charges being dropped.
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Except that they use the dogs to give them probable cause. Dogs which are famously unreliable and follow the cues of their handlers.

The police see someone they want to search, the get the dog to sit down, bang probable cause.
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Timbo wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:37 pm Except that they use the dogs to give them probable cause. Dogs which are famously unreliable and follow the cues of their handlers.

The police see someone they want to search, the get the dog to sit down, bang probable cause.
At music festivals and with dogs, yes it's more random. Although they aren't supposed to rely solely on the dog's indication for reasonable suspicion. Key word being 'supposed'.
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near a school on the weekend and at night time??

that just sounds crazy to me, like being done for going 60 in a 40km school zone on a sunday at 9pm :hmmm
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Northern Raider wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:27 pm
Green Blogger wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:49 am
“greeneyed” wrote:Canberra Raiders recruit Curtis Scott hit with seventh charge over Moore Park arrest

Canberra recruit Curtis Scott has been hit with a seventh charge by police in relation to his Moore Park arrest - behaving in an offensive manner in or near a public place or school.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/scott- ... 541w8.html
Scott charged with 7th offense. Is this a reflection of a growing realisation that some of the original charges are not going to stick?
Quite possible. New charges being laid are often a prelude to some original charges being dropped.
For mine, the most interesting thing out of that was confirmation that the club (Furner) helped Scott get decent legal representation. Obviously a sign that they're supporting him.

The second most interesting thing is that Sam Macedone, the new lawyer, seems slightly less than impressed that Scott plead not guilty to the minor charges. Possibly not a good look in front of the court - especially when your lawyer makes some heroic claim of fighting every charge until his dying breath (or some other Hollywood style Bull).

I'm disappointed that the new charge was not one of being "an A-Grade dingleberry", because that would definitely have stuck.

Thank goodness we now have Alan "Vainglorious" Jones and Todd "Gravy-Train" Greenburger here to sort it out.
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yurithe1 wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:00 pm
Green Blogger wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:49 am
“greeneyed” wrote:Canberra Raiders recruit Curtis Scott hit with seventh charge over Moore Park arrest

Canberra recruit Curtis Scott has been hit with a seventh charge by police in relation to his Moore Park arrest - behaving in an offensive manner in or near a public place or school.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/scott- ... 541w8.html
Scott charged with 7th offense. Is this a reflection of a growing realisation that some of the original charges are not going to stick?
With the amount of media attention this is now getting, they're possibly feeling a bit nervous.

However, now that Greenberg has seen the video, what happens if he has to decide prior to the court verdict that Scott shouldn't be stood down? (Scott's next court date currently sits at March 20, a week after the Raiders first game). He's put himself and the NRL in the position of possibly pre-empting a court decision to dismiss the charges. Obviously, calling a stand down "the no fault stance" takes the question of pre-empting a guilty verdict out of the equation. I'm not a lawyer, but this could be risking a contempt charge. So, most likely Greenberg will dodge that risk and stand down Scott until its all over.
Greenberg hasn't seen all the video yet and won't until he returns from England. But he will take a decision on the stand down before the next hearing. They say it is "no fault", but clearly, given this is a discretionary decision, based on the viewing of video evidence, of course it risks prejudicing the case.
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greeneyed wrote: February 19, 2020, 3:26 pm
yurithe1 wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:00 pm
Green Blogger wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:49 am
“greeneyed” wrote:Canberra Raiders recruit Curtis Scott hit with seventh charge over Moore Park arrest

Canberra recruit Curtis Scott has been hit with a seventh charge by police in relation to his Moore Park arrest - behaving in an offensive manner in or near a public place or school.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/scott- ... 541w8.html
Scott charged with 7th offense. Is this a reflection of a growing realisation that some of the original charges are not going to stick?
With the amount of media attention this is now getting, they're possibly feeling a bit nervous.

However, now that Greenberg has seen the video, what happens if he has to decide prior to the court verdict that Scott shouldn't be stood down? (Scott's next court date currently sits at March 20, a week after the Raiders first game). He's put himself and the NRL in the position of possibly pre-empting a court decision to dismiss the charges. Obviously, calling a stand down "the no fault stance" takes the question of pre-empting a guilty verdict out of the equation. I'm not a lawyer, but this could be risking a contempt charge. So, most likely Greenberg will dodge that risk and stand down Scott until its all over.
Greenberg hasn't seen all the video yet and won't until he returns from England. But he will take a decision on the stand down before the next hearing. They say it is "no fault", but clearly, given this is a discretionary decision, based on the viewing of video evidence, of course it risks prejudicing the case.
It won't prejudice the case at all. If the NRL chose to stand him down pending the outcome of the court case that is their perogative. It makes no assumptions of guilt or innocence. Such a decision would also have no bearing on the judge's ruling which will be based on the actual evidence presented.
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nemesis wrote: February 19, 2020, 3:01 pm near a school on the weekend and at night time??

that just sounds crazy to me, like being done for going 60 in a 40km school zone on a sunday at 9pm :hmmm
The offence title is "behave in an offensive manner in or near a public place or school". In this case, a public place. So ignore the school part.
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Finchy wrote: February 19, 2020, 4:16 pm
nemesis wrote: February 19, 2020, 3:01 pm near a school on the weekend and at night time??

that just sounds crazy to me, like being done for going 60 in a 40km school zone on a sunday at 9pm :hmmm
The offence title is "behave in an offensive manner in or near a public place or school". In this case, a public place. So ignore the school part.
I can understand the need for a charge like this in general. However it just seems to be a bit of clutching at straws in this situation given how late at night it was and how far away from the general public it took place (given there were no eye witnesses other than the cops).
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Northern Raider wrote: February 19, 2020, 3:40 pm
greeneyed wrote: February 19, 2020, 3:26 pm
yurithe1 wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:00 pm
Green Blogger wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:49 am
“greeneyed” wrote:Canberra Raiders recruit Curtis Scott hit with seventh charge over Moore Park arrest

Canberra recruit Curtis Scott has been hit with a seventh charge by police in relation to his Moore Park arrest - behaving in an offensive manner in or near a public place or school.

Read more: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/scott- ... 541w8.html
Scott charged with 7th offense. Is this a reflection of a growing realisation that some of the original charges are not going to stick?
With the amount of media attention this is now getting, they're possibly feeling a bit nervous.

However, now that Greenberg has seen the video, what happens if he has to decide prior to the court verdict that Scott shouldn't be stood down? (Scott's next court date currently sits at March 20, a week after the Raiders first game). He's put himself and the NRL in the position of possibly pre-empting a court decision to dismiss the charges. Obviously, calling a stand down "the no fault stance" takes the question of pre-empting a guilty verdict out of the equation. I'm not a lawyer, but this could be risking a contempt charge. So, most likely Greenberg will dodge that risk and stand down Scott until its all over.
Greenberg hasn't seen all the video yet and won't until he returns from England. But he will take a decision on the stand down before the next hearing. They say it is "no fault", but clearly, given this is a discretionary decision, based on the viewing of video evidence, of course it risks prejudicing the case.
It won't prejudice the case at all. If the NRL chose to stand him down pending the outcome of the court case that is their perogative. It makes no assumptions of guilt or innocence. Such a decision would also have no bearing on the judge's ruling which will be based on the actual evidence presented.
It doesnt make judgement, right up until they see the footage. If it really were to be “no fault” the decision to stand scott down or not should have been made prior to viewing the footage based on the criteria they had set (maximum sentence duration).
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Finchy wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:44 pm
Timbo wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:37 pm Except that they use the dogs to give them probable cause. Dogs which are famously unreliable and follow the cues of their handlers.

The police see someone they want to search, the get the dog to sit down, bang probable cause.
At music festivals and with dogs, yes it's more random. Although they aren't supposed to rely solely on the dog's indication for reasonable suspicion. Key word being 'supposed'.
Got strip searched in the middle of my local pub because one of those dogs sat next to me. When nothing was found they still treated me like id done something wrong with no apology.
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simo wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:12 pm
Northern Raider wrote: February 19, 2020, 3:40 pm
greeneyed wrote: February 19, 2020, 3:26 pm
yurithe1 wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:00 pm
Green Blogger wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:49 am

Scott charged with 7th offense. Is this a reflection of a growing realisation that some of the original charges are not going to stick?
With the amount of media attention this is now getting, they're possibly feeling a bit nervous.

However, now that Greenberg has seen the video, what happens if he has to decide prior to the court verdict that Scott shouldn't be stood down? (Scott's next court date currently sits at March 20, a week after the Raiders first game). He's put himself and the NRL in the position of possibly pre-empting a court decision to dismiss the charges. Obviously, calling a stand down "the no fault stance" takes the question of pre-empting a guilty verdict out of the equation. I'm not a lawyer, but this could be risking a contempt charge. So, most likely Greenberg will dodge that risk and stand down Scott until its all over.
Greenberg hasn't seen all the video yet and won't until he returns from England. But he will take a decision on the stand down before the next hearing. They say it is "no fault", but clearly, given this is a discretionary decision, based on the viewing of video evidence, of course it risks prejudicing the case.
It won't prejudice the case at all. If the NRL chose to stand him down pending the outcome of the court case that is their perogative. It makes no assumptions of guilt or innocence. Such a decision would also have no bearing on the judge's ruling which will be based on the actual evidence presented.
It doesnt make judgement, right up until they see the footage. If it really were to be “no fault” the decision to stand scott down or not should have been made prior to viewing the footage based on the criteria they had set (maximum sentence duration).
Their decision to stand him down would be based on risk to the image of the game. Potential outcome of the court case is irrelevant from that standpoint. This is what happened with Tyrone May. Of course the video was actually the problem as much as the evidence.
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I hope Greenberg doesn’t watch the Curtis Scott video evidence on the in-flight entertainment system when he’s returning from the UK.

Movies always seem much worse on a long haul flight.

I sat next to a person on my last flight who watched Keeping up with the Kardashians for 14 hours straight. Now that’s worth tasering!
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simo wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:16 pm
Finchy wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:44 pm
Timbo wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:37 pm Except that they use the dogs to give them probable cause. Dogs which are famously unreliable and follow the cues of their handlers.

The police see someone they want to search, the get the dog to sit down, bang probable cause.
At music festivals and with dogs, yes it's more random. Although they aren't supposed to rely solely on the dog's indication for reasonable suspicion. Key word being 'supposed'.
Got strip searched in the middle of my local pub because one of those dogs sat next to me. When nothing was found they still treated me like id done something wrong with no apology.
That sux mate. We seem to think that's acceptable here but that doesn't happen in Europe or even the States with their paramilitary style cops. Even in Singapore they don't get about with the dogs - literally a non-democratic SE Asian state doesn't cop that but we do... Dogs are incorrrect 66%+ of the time... It's a joke they are even used. Most coungries regard it (rightly) as a huge waste of resources and zero effect.

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BJ wrote: February 19, 2020, 9:56 pm I hope Greenberg doesn’t watch the Curtis Scott video evidence on the in-flight entertainment system when he’s returning from the UK.

Movies always seem much worse on a long haul flight.

I sat next to a person on my last flight who watched Keeping up with the Kardashians for 14 hours straight. Now that’s worth tasering!
I don't know. They usually edit out the violence and bad language, so it might be the perfect place for him to watch it.
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Lmao some of the comments and assumptions in this thread about NSW police are incredibly naive. Crazy how many people blindly trust cops to do the right thing... and I don't mean to bring race in to this but I'd bet that the majority who do are white and come from a relatively affluent background.

Since the Gladys crack down, I've been strip searched entering music festivals enough times that I can't even remember the exact number... somewhere around five or six times, I'd say. Each and every time, the officer with the dog gave it a command to sit next to me. I saw them do it every time and my friends also did on a few of those occasions. In the strip searches that followed, did they find anything illegal on me as a result? No. And some of you are of the opinion that I should lawyer up and sue them? **** me dead :roflmao setting aside the fact that I didn't want to bother with wasting my time getting their names and badge numbers due to them holding me up and causing me to miss sets on more than one occasion, it's my word against theirs... and they've got the other officers to back them up as witnesses. They're also notorious for covering up their cameras or not having the complete footage. I'd have to be extremely lucky to win some sort of compensation.

So we take away the false premise (dog) used as grounds to search me and what reasonable suspicion is left? I'm one of 20,000 other young people walking in to a music festival slightly intoxicated from drinking piss. That's not reasonable suspicion. I've got a handful of visible tattoos, as do maybe 25-30% of the others entering... let's see, what else? I have long hair, maybe that's it?

The NSW Government through their policies have created a culture which allows cops to get away with being complete turds. They choose me because they've got a quota to meet and they don't wanna wind up illegally searching some white kid whose dad turns out to be a lawyer... so they pick the ones who look at least slightly ethnic. Most of my caucasian friends have either never been searched or maybe searched once. If I enter with only white friends, I'm inevitably the one they choose to search. Many of my less Anglo looking friends have also been searched on multiple occasions.

Way off topic but I just couldn't help myself after reading some of the bogus in this thread. Also, dogs are incorrect more than 66% of the time. You take the festival strip searches in to account and it would have to be somewhere above the 95% mark... have people here seen the statistics on the number of people arrested for possession vs number of people searched at these events? The funny thing though is that they're skewing the stats out of their favour by commanding dogs to sit rather than letting them do their job (which they actually can't due to the sheer number of people overwhelming these dogs' senses). Can't really disagree with the comment around us Aussies not wanting to defend our rights... NSW has gone full police state and the idiots who live there keep voting the same fascist mob in. Ofcourse nothing will change!

You have rights, you know! You can sue them! :lol: Some of you are living in a complete fairytale land... wish I could come join you on privilege island!
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MrPosh wrote:
BJ wrote: February 19, 2020, 9:56 pm I hope Greenberg doesn’t watch the Curtis Scott video evidence on the in-flight entertainment system when he’s returning from the UK.

Movies always seem much worse on a long haul flight.

I sat next to a person on my last flight who watched Keeping up with the Kardashians for 14 hours straight. Now that’s worth tasering!
I don't know. They usually edit out the violence and bad language, so it might be the perfect place for him to watch it.
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I just had a look at a diary of sporting event for the rest of the year

ICC Womens T20
World Athletics Indoor championships
Grand National
World snooker Championship
Kentucky Derby
FA Cup
French Open
Copa America
Olympics

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Johno wrote: February 20, 2020, 9:37 am I just had a look at a diary of sporting event for the rest of the year

ICC Womens T20
World Athletics Indoor championships
Grand National
World snooker Championship
Kentucky Derby
FA Cup
French Open
Copa America
Olympics

We might not see Gravy Train Todd till October 1st
Perfect - just in time for him to slap Scott with a penalty leading into the Grand Final.
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Raiders_Pat wrote: February 20, 2020, 3:07 am Lmao some of the comments and assumptions in this thread about NSW police are incredibly naive. Crazy how many people blindly trust cops to do the right thing... and I don't mean to bring race in to this but I'd bet that the majority who do are white and come from a relatively affluent background.

Since the Gladys crack down, I've been strip searched entering music festivals enough times that I can't even remember the exact number... somewhere around five or six times, I'd say. Each and every time, the officer with the dog gave it a command to sit next to me. I saw them do it every time and my friends also did on a few of those occasions. In the strip searches that followed, did they find anything illegal on me as a result? No. And some of you are of the opinion that I should lawyer up and sue them? **** me dead :roflmao setting aside the fact that I didn't want to bother with wasting my time getting their names and badge numbers due to them holding me up and causing me to miss sets on more than one occasion, it's my word against theirs... and they've got the other officers to back them up as witnesses. They're also notorious for covering up their cameras or not having the complete footage. I'd have to be extremely lucky to win some sort of compensation.

So we take away the false premise (dog) used as grounds to search me and what reasonable suspicion is left? I'm one of 20,000 other young people walking in to a music festival slightly intoxicated from drinking piss. That's not reasonable suspicion. I've got a handful of visible tattoos, as do maybe 25-30% of the others entering... let's see, what else? I have long hair, maybe that's it?

The NSW Government through their policies have created a culture which allows cops to get away with being complete turds. They choose me because they've got a quota to meet and they don't wanna wind up illegally searching some white kid whose dad turns out to be a lawyer... so they pick the ones who look at least slightly ethnic. Most of my caucasian friends have either never been searched or maybe searched once. If I enter with only white friends, I'm inevitably the one they choose to search. Many of my less Anglo looking friends have also been searched on multiple occasions.

Way off topic but I just couldn't help myself after reading some of the bogus in this thread. Also, dogs are incorrect more than 66% of the time. You take the festival strip searches in to account and it would have to be somewhere above the 95% mark... have people here seen the statistics on the number of people arrested for possession vs number of people searched at these events? The funny thing though is that they're skewing the stats out of their favour by commanding dogs to sit rather than letting them do their job (which they actually can't due to the sheer number of people overwhelming these dogs' senses). Can't really disagree with the comment around us Aussies not wanting to defend our rights... NSW has gone full police state and the idiots who live there keep voting the same fascist mob in. Ofcourse nothing will change!

You have rights, you know! You can sue them! :lol: Some of you are living in a complete fairytale land... wish I could come join you on privilege island!
I didn't read your whole post because I got a bit lost half way through. Curious which people on this thread are blindly trusting cops to do the right thing.
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simo wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:16 pm
Finchy wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:44 pm
Timbo wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:37 pm Except that they use the dogs to give them probable cause. Dogs which are famously unreliable and follow the cues of their handlers.

The police see someone they want to search, the get the dog to sit down, bang probable cause.
At music festivals and with dogs, yes it's more random. Although they aren't supposed to rely solely on the dog's indication for reasonable suspicion. Key word being 'supposed'.
Got strip searched in the middle of my local pub because one of those dogs sat next to me. When nothing was found they still treated me like id done something wrong with no apology.
This happened to a friend of mine at Sydney airport. He and I were flying up to the Sunshine Coast for a golf weekend, and we were dressed like two boring middle aged men off to play golf. The cops kept saying to him 'mate, we know you've got something, just tell us and this is much easier'. They made him unpack his entire bag in the middle of the terminal, found nothing and still talked to him like he was a criminal.

The amount of power the cops have in this country, and the general apathy Australians have toward defending their civil liberties is shocking.
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Timbo wrote: February 20, 2020, 1:59 pm
simo wrote: February 19, 2020, 7:16 pm
Finchy wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:44 pm
Timbo wrote: February 19, 2020, 1:37 pm Except that they use the dogs to give them probable cause. Dogs which are famously unreliable and follow the cues of their handlers.

The police see someone they want to search, the get the dog to sit down, bang probable cause.
At music festivals and with dogs, yes it's more random. Although they aren't supposed to rely solely on the dog's indication for reasonable suspicion. Key word being 'supposed'.
Got strip searched in the middle of my local pub because one of those dogs sat next to me. When nothing was found they still treated me like id done something wrong with no apology.
This happened to a friend of mine at Sydney airport. He and I were flying up to the Sunshine Coast for a golf weekend, and we were dressed like two boring middle aged men off to play golf. The cops kept saying to him 'mate, we know you've got something, just tell us and this is much easier'. They made him unpack his entire bag in the middle of the terminal, found nothing and still talked to him like he was a criminal.

The amount of power the cops have in this country, and the general apathy Australians have toward defending their civil liberties is shocking.
I was in my work polo, straight from work. Great look for a local business to have one of its employees strip searched in front of people who know him.
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Seems to be a recurring theme when a sniffer dog sits. I'd be interested to know if cops are simply following protocol or they're just acting like cock heads. I have some mates in the force so I'll ask them.
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Northern Raider wrote: February 20, 2020, 2:48 pm Seems to be a recurring theme when a sniffer dog sits. I'd be interested to know if cops are simply following protocol or they're just acting like cock heads. I have some mates in the force so I'll ask them.
Ever since that idiot commissioner in NSW said he wanted people to fear the police, I'm leaning towards being EDIT.
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Timbo wrote: February 20, 2020, 2:56 pm
Northern Raider wrote: February 20, 2020, 2:48 pm Seems to be a recurring theme when a sniffer dog sits. I'd be interested to know if cops are simply following protocol or they're just acting like cock heads. I have some mates in the force so I'll ask them.
Ever since that idiot commissioner in NSW said he wanted people to fear the police, I'm leaning towards being EDIT.
Most likely a combination of the two.
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'It's in his hands what happens next': Jack Wighton backs Canberra Raiders recruit Curtis Scott to bounce back

Canberra's Jack Wighton is backing teammate Curtis Scott to follow his lead and become another Raiders redemption story.

"For Curtis it's up to him and it's in his hands what happens next," Wighton said. "As I did, he'll have two options - to go one way or the other. I'm sure he'll choose the right way with all our backing and the club's backing. He'll be OK. Personally I've let him know I've got his back. Everyone mucks up.

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