What's your strongest possible Canberra Raiders 2020 line up?
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Gergreg... incredibly harsh. He’s a good young guy.
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I’ll stand by him. He’ll be a good player for us and make the club and fans proud of him.
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He is a good player, no one is questioning that. I hope he does make the club and fans proud of him, but for now his impact has been to embarrass both the fans and club.
And it's not as if this is one mistake, he's had a few chances now.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
We have spent the best part of a decade giving passes to players lacking in disacpline and character due to talent, and it's never done anything but burn us. The 2019 success was built on a different sort of culture. One that Hudson Young, based on his actions so far, has no place being in.
Hudson Young has shown us who he is for now. It's now up to him to show us that he's something and someone different. I hope he does, his talent is undenable. But until he does though, it's entirely reasonable for Greg to hold that position. Nothing harsh about that, it's called accountability. Accountability to your club, your coaches, your teammates, your fans and your community.
We found it in 2019, feels like it should be something we try to keep moving forward
And it's not as if this is one mistake, he's had a few chances now.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
We have spent the best part of a decade giving passes to players lacking in disacpline and character due to talent, and it's never done anything but burn us. The 2019 success was built on a different sort of culture. One that Hudson Young, based on his actions so far, has no place being in.
Hudson Young has shown us who he is for now. It's now up to him to show us that he's something and someone different. I hope he does, his talent is undenable. But until he does though, it's entirely reasonable for Greg to hold that position. Nothing harsh about that, it's called accountability. Accountability to your club, your coaches, your teammates, your fans and your community.
We found it in 2019, feels like it should be something we try to keep moving forward
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He has to live with it unfortunately. Rugby league fans have a tendency to never forget or forgive players like this, as you well know.greeneyed wrote:Gergreg... incredibly harsh. He’s a good young guy.
Like Nick says, only Hudson-young can attempt to fix his persona.
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Hudson Young either learns how to mentally control himself on the field or never fulfill his potential.
If I was him I’d be training my Mindfulness abilities above my physical abilities.
I’d also start with learning to juggle 5 balls under fatigue and successfully doing online mind games under fatigue.
If I was him I’d be training my Mindfulness abilities above my physical abilities.
I’d also start with learning to juggle 5 balls under fatigue and successfully doing online mind games under fatigue.
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Is there any reason why Curtis Scott should be regarded as a good winger? And specifically, a better winger than BS?
I don't think it very likely that Joey won't be in the no 4 shirt either actually. He may not be going anywhere at the end of this year. Unless the Titans have money to burn.
I don't think it very likely that Joey won't be in the no 4 shirt either actually. He may not be going anywhere at the end of this year. Unless the Titans have money to burn.
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Yep, I really don't understand why we'd play arguably the best right hand centre in the comp off the bench.
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NRL.com Canberra Raiders Round 1 predicted team
1. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
2. Nick Cotric
3. Jarrod Croker
4. Curtis Scott
5. Bailey Simonsson
6. Jack Wighton
7. George Williams
8. Sia Soliola
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Josh Papalii
11. John Bateman
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Joseph Tapine
14. Corey Horsburgh
15. Joseph Leilua
16. Emre Guler
17. Dunamis Lui
Others: Luke Bateman, JJ Collins, Sebastian Kris, Siliva Havili, Jack Murchie, Michael Oldfield, Harley Smith-Shields, Tom Starling, Ryan Sutton, Sam Williams, Hudson Young
Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/01/04/can ... cted-team/
1. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
2. Nick Cotric
3. Jarrod Croker
4. Curtis Scott
5. Bailey Simonsson
6. Jack Wighton
7. George Williams
8. Sia Soliola
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Josh Papalii
11. John Bateman
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Joseph Tapine
14. Corey Horsburgh
15. Joseph Leilua
16. Emre Guler
17. Dunamis Lui
Others: Luke Bateman, JJ Collins, Sebastian Kris, Siliva Havili, Jack Murchie, Michael Oldfield, Harley Smith-Shields, Tom Starling, Ryan Sutton, Sam Williams, Hudson Young
Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/01/04/can ... cted-team/
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lol wut they didn't even pick BJ on the bench
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I'd go this way, as unpopular as benching BJ is.
I'll also add, I'd have Lui and Sutton going h2h. However, knowing how regarded Lui is by the coaching staff, I think it's probably a no contest.
I'll also add, I'd have Lui and Sutton going h2h. However, knowing how regarded Lui is by the coaching staff, I think it's probably a no contest.
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Ideally, I can't see Lui being any more than a depth option for us.
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This Curtis Scott fella will want to be pretty outstanding to shunt our second best attacking weapon (behind Wighton) to the bench.
It'll be interesting to see how Stuart manages it. Good problem to have I guess.
It'll be interesting to see how Stuart manages it. Good problem to have I guess.
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1. CNK
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Scott
6. Wighton
7. G. Williams
8. Papalii
9. Hodgson
10. Sutton
11. Whitehead
12. J. Bateman
13. Tapine
14. Simonsson
15. Soliola
16. Horsburgh
17. Guler
18. Young
19. Havili
20. Lui
21. S. Williams
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Scott
6. Wighton
7. G. Williams
8. Papalii
9. Hodgson
10. Sutton
11. Whitehead
12. J. Bateman
13. Tapine
14. Simonsson
15. Soliola
16. Horsburgh
17. Guler
18. Young
19. Havili
20. Lui
21. S. Williams
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I've got a fit and motivated Joey in my team over any other centre in the comp (maybe a fit and motivated Latrell comes close, but he's also got more errors and half the workrate).Seiffert82 wrote: ↑January 4, 2020, 6:48 pm This Curtis Scott fella will want to be pretty outstanding to shunt our second best attacking weapon (behind Wighton) to the bench.
It'll be interesting to see how Stuart manages it. Good problem to have I guess.
Even with half a spine he was one of our best weapons in the GF. I like the big galoot.
Scott is wing or bench until he pushes his way in somewhere for mine.
I can see the attraction of Joey's impact of the bench. He could handle a forward stint or replace a back. But he's great starting. Even good players like Cotric couldn't quite fill his boots when he was out and I don't have Scott as a better player than Cotric right now.
I might be wrong and Scott breaks out... but it'd have to be a HELL of a breakout year to outdo what Joey gives us.
The only way I see Scott getting the nod over Joey is if Stuart thinks Scott is a much better defender, with GWilly joining that edge...
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Absolutely agree. A fit and motivated Leilua is one of the first players picked every week IMO. Scott can bide his time.BadnMean wrote: ↑January 4, 2020, 11:22 pmI've got a fit and motivated Joey in my team over any other centre in the comp (maybe a fit and motivated Latrell comes close, but he's also got more errors and half the workrate).Seiffert82 wrote: ↑January 4, 2020, 6:48 pm This Curtis Scott fella will want to be pretty outstanding to shunt our second best attacking weapon (behind Wighton) to the bench.
It'll be interesting to see how Stuart manages it. Good problem to have I guess.
Even with half a spine he was one of our best weapons in the GF. I like the big galoot.
Scott is wing or bench until he pushes his way in somewhere for mine.
I can see the attraction of Joey's impact of the bench. He could handle a forward stint or replace a back. But he's great starting. Even good players like Cotric couldn't quite fill his boots when he was out and I don't have Scott as a better player than Cotric right now.
I might be wrong and Scott breaks out... but it'd have to be a HELL of a breakout year to outdo what Joey gives us.
The only way I see Scott getting the nod over Joey is if Stuart thinks Scott is a much better defender, with GWilly joining that edge...
As far as defensive combos go, we won't know until a ball gets kicked off in anger will we. I guess that's where Stuart needs to make a call one way or another.
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Totally agree with that.BadnMean wrote: ↑January 4, 2020, 11:22 pmI've got a fit and motivated Joey in my team over any other centre in the comp (maybe a fit and motivated Latrell comes close, but he's also got more errors and half the workrate).Seiffert82 wrote: ↑January 4, 2020, 6:48 pm This Curtis Scott fella will want to be pretty outstanding to shunt our second best attacking weapon (behind Wighton) to the bench.
It'll be interesting to see how Stuart manages it. Good problem to have I guess.
Even with half a spine he was one of our best weapons in the GF. I like the big galoot.
Scott is wing or bench until he pushes his way in somewhere for mine.
I can see the attraction of Joey's impact of the bench. He could handle a forward stint or replace a back. But he's great starting. Even good players like Cotric couldn't quite fill his boots when he was out and I don't have Scott as a better player than Cotric right now.
I might be wrong and Scott breaks out... but it'd have to be a HELL of a breakout year to outdo what Joey gives us.
The only way I see Scott getting the nod over Joey is if Stuart thinks Scott is a much better defender, with GWilly joining that edge...
My question is still why would Scott sign to be so far down the pecking order when he’d have a starting spot sown up at the Storm? Pure money? If so, why are we paying such a convincing salary to a guy so far down the pecking order? Something doesn’t add up.
That makes me think the proposed 17 with BJ on the bench is correct.
As you’ve described above, BJ on the bench is a waste of ability and I also wonder about club culture when you demote a guy who’s form has been consistently among the best for years.
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Maybe he hates Cam Smith as much as the rest of us?Ruben Daley wrote: ↑January 5, 2020, 9:28 am
Totally agree with that.
My question is still why would Scott sign to be so far down the pecking order when he’d have a starting spot sown up at the Storm? Pure money? If so, why are we paying such a convincing salary to a guy so far down the pecking order? Something doesn’t add up.
That makes me think the proposed 17 with BJ on the bench is correct.
As you’ve described above, BJ on the bench is a waste of ability and I also wonder about club culture when you demote a guy who’s form has been consistently among the best for years.
I don't know really. There are whispers he was a bit on the outer or had some personal issues down in Melbourne. Maybe all he wanted was similar money and the chance to back himself to win a spot- with the knowledge that Joey has a dicky neck and may not be around next year anyway... A fresh start away from Melbourne and the issues (whatever they were).
Could be he just didn't like the coach or the style of play. Could be we have promised to backload him once a spot opens up. I'm just guessing.
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Could be that he sees a great future at the Raiders and wants to be part of a team on the rise rather than one on the wane?
At the end of the day, Leilua is unlikely to be here in 2021 either way. Waiting in the wings, or for an opportunity through injury etc, is hardly unique for young players. I'm entirely certain Stuart hasn't guaranteed him anything when he signed.
We are actually a club that young players are actively looking at. We should be proud of the fact.
At the end of the day, Leilua is unlikely to be here in 2021 either way. Waiting in the wings, or for an opportunity through injury etc, is hardly unique for young players. I'm entirely certain Stuart hasn't guaranteed him anything when he signed.
We are actually a club that young players are actively looking at. We should be proud of the fact.
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He was reportedly on the outer at Melbourne early to mid season last year. After his relationship breakdown, from memory. I thought he may have been stood down for a few games and straight after that the rumours of a fallout with Cameron Smith started. This is all based on my terrible memory.
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Fall out with Cam Smith, fall out with Dylan Walker, fall out with Will Chambers and some fantastic fund raising - Seems like a pretty good bloke to me!
Also quite a handy player
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i believe Dylan Walker was the one who fell out of that exchangeyeh raiders wrote:Fall out with Cam Smith, fall out with Dylan Walker, fall out with Will Chambers and some fantastic fund raising - Seems like a pretty good bloke to me!
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Because we have been trying to sell him for about 12 months with no bites. Benching him is the next step in pushing him out in a pro sport way. The next is Mounties.Seiffert82 wrote: ↑January 4, 2020, 4:37 am Yep, I really don't understand why we'd play arguably the best right hand centre in the comp off the bench.
Its obvious they we are looking to part ways, which means BJ is the past not the future. Scott is the future, you dont sign a guy like him without the expressed intention of playing him. With CNK and Simmo playing as they did last yr, would be very hard to see either not starting. Cotric is an Australian International and Croker the captain. Only 1 guy left to make way.
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bonehead wrote: ↑January 6, 2020, 7:19 ami believe Dylan Walker was the one who fell out of that exchangeyeh raiders wrote:Fall out with Cam Smith, fall out with Dylan Walker, fall out with Will Chambers and some fantastic fund raising - Seems like a pretty good bloke to me!
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I still don't get it with Leilua. If they are actually trying to offload him this season, there must be much more to it than the contract $$ situation. IMO you play your best players, unless there is off field issues we are not aware of.Matt wrote: ↑January 6, 2020, 9:06 amBecause we have been trying to sell him for about 12 months with no bites. Benching him is the next step in pushing him out in a pro sport way. The next is Mounties.Seiffert82 wrote: ↑January 4, 2020, 4:37 am Yep, I really don't understand why we'd play arguably the best right hand centre in the comp off the bench.
Its obvious they we are looking to part ways, which means BJ is the past not the future. Scott is the future, you dont sign a guy like him without the expressed intention of playing him. With CNK and Simmo playing as they did last yr, would be very hard to see either not starting. Cotric is an Australian International and Croker the captain. Only 1 guy left to make way.
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Gotta remember, he also had a very serious neck injury. Im sure that is playing its part on both sides, buyer and seller.Seiffert82 wrote: ↑January 6, 2020, 12:19 pmI still don't get it with Leilua. If they are actually trying to offload him this season, there must be much more to it than the contract $$ situation. IMO you play your best players, unless there is off field issues we are not aware of.Matt wrote: ↑January 6, 2020, 9:06 amBecause we have been trying to sell him for about 12 months with no bites. Benching him is the next step in pushing him out in a pro sport way. The next is Mounties.Seiffert82 wrote: ↑January 4, 2020, 4:37 am Yep, I really don't understand why we'd play arguably the best right hand centre in the comp off the bench.
Its obvious they we are looking to part ways, which means BJ is the past not the future. Scott is the future, you dont sign a guy like him without the expressed intention of playing him. With CNK and Simmo playing as they did last yr, would be very hard to see either not starting. Cotric is an Australian International and Croker the captain. Only 1 guy left to make way.
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Leilua is a better centre than Scott and Simonsson is almost undoubtedly a better winger than Scott.
I can understand the fact that Leilua could be an absolute weapon off the bench. But do you sacrifice 50 minutes of playing time for such a good player? I wouldn’t. His replacement would have to be better than Curtis Scott for me to consider it.
I can understand the fact that Leilua could be an absolute weapon off the bench. But do you sacrifice 50 minutes of playing time for such a good player? I wouldn’t. His replacement would have to be better than Curtis Scott for me to consider it.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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I will still tip BJ to start centre with Scott on the wing. Simmonson/Havili can be 14 this year.
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Ok, I'm going to have a crack at this before I read anyone else's teams... here goes:
1. CNK
2. Cotric
3. Croker (c)
4. Leilua
5. Scott
6. Wighton
7. GWilliams
8. Paps
9. Hodgo (c)
10. Sia
11. Bateman
12. Whitehead
13. Tarps
14. Simonsson
15. Havili
16. Horse
17. Guler
How'd I go??
1. CNK
2. Cotric
3. Croker (c)
4. Leilua
5. Scott
6. Wighton
7. GWilliams
8. Paps
9. Hodgo (c)
10. Sia
11. Bateman
12. Whitehead
13. Tarps
14. Simonsson
15. Havili
16. Horse
17. Guler
How'd I go??
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1. CNK
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Simonsson
14. Scott
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Simonsson
14. Scott
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We werent shopping bj around. His management requested a contract extension on his current wage and were told we would not have the funds available for him in 2021.
They were told that if they could secure a contract of that value for beyond 2020 then we would allow him to take it up. How this has been spun to “shopped around” is extremely nrl.
They were told that if they could secure a contract of that value for beyond 2020 then we would allow him to take it up. How this has been spun to “shopped around” is extremely nrl.
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Simmo and Havili?!?! Pretty sure you are going to have to pick 1, as Lui or Sutton will likely be the other.The Nickman wrote: ↑January 6, 2020, 1:36 pm Ok, I'm going to have a crack at this before I read anyone else's teams... here goes:
1. CNK
2. Cotric
3. Croker (c)
4. Leilua
5. Scott
6. Wighton
7. GWilliams
8. Paps
9. Hodgo (c)
10. Sia
11. Bateman
12. Whitehead
13. Tarps
14. Simonsson
15. Havili
16. Horse
17. Guler
How'd I go??