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I think thats very harsh on Mary. He took his side to 1 win shy of the minor premiership and then jdb happened and its destroyed that club. I understand there was a game against the knights that the dragons players were going to boycott because of how the game was treating him. These are young men who a taught to bleed for each other. Imagine turning up to training day in day out being confronted with that situation. Im not saying Mary couldnt have done more, i just think people underestimate what that kind of disruption has on a side. I also think it's no coincidence that our best period on the field for 20 years has followed a prolonged period of stability off it.
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FROG wrote: September 22, 2020, 5:39 am I think thats very harsh on Mary. He took his side to 1 win shy of the minor premiership and then jdb happened and its destroyed that club. I understand there was a game against the knights that the dragons players were going to boycott because of how the game was treating him. These are young men who a taught to bleed for each other. Imagine turning up to training day in day out being confronted with that situation. Im not saying Mary couldnt have done more, i just think people underestimate what that kind of disruption has on a side. I also think it's no coincidence that our best period on the field for 20 years has followed a prolonged period of stability off it.
No doubt it would have been disruptive.

But folding like a deck of cards at the first hint of adversity and then allowing a terrible situation to fester and fail to regroup the squad is very much in the coaches responsibilities. So there are reasons he's had such a challenging time, absolutely- but he hasn't managed to meet the challenges.
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2 wins shy from 7th. Their F/A was less than a third of the team that got the MP.
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I don't know too much about McGregor's coaching style or methods, but his biggest issue seems to have been inking both Ben Hunt and Corey Norman to big money deals to be the backbone of that team (although to be somewhat fair, the Eels paid a chunk of Norman's first season salary to get rid of him). The Hunt deal was clearly a desperate attempt to bring in a 'name' halfback. He was never going to live up to that type of expectation. Norman already had a reputation of being flakey and inconsistent, so no surprises how that turned out.

The rest of the team seem to have a crack most games. It's the two marquee players that don't turn up. Dean Young hasn't fixed that either.
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Paul McGregor is an absolutely AWFUL coach. It's truly mid-boggling to me how he kept his job for so long.
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McGregor is probably, 'pound for pound', one of the worst coaches I've ever seen in the game. Simply horrendous and clueless.
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I'm really liking what I see from Young Tonumaipea.. Would love to see him in green
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He fills that cheapy spot. Can play wing or centre.
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zim wrote: September 22, 2020, 11:02 am He fills that cheapy spot. Can play wing or centre.
won't be cheap anymore. He's probably doubled his contract value the past few weeks
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If you're doubling your contact value in a few weeks then the people signing you are idiots.
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zim wrote: September 22, 2020, 3:33 pm If you're doubling your contact value in a few weeks then the people signing you are idiots.
from minimum wage to 200-$300k is understandable. He looked pretty ordinary until this month
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Ah ok you're talking just in contract to contract value rather than how a club sees a players worth. My point was if someone was a min wager to you then 3 weeks good play is not going to make them suddenly worth double to your club.
We would have viewed him as a cheapie. If he's suddenly getting 300k then good luck to him. A few weeks good play won't move the needle here.
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He just turned down a contract extension with Titans rival clubs have permission to negotiate
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he was pretty good at the storm then went on his Mormon mission and finished the season pretty well at the titans

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Maybe I have him mixed up with someone else but I thought the Titans had actually paid overs to get him out of the Storm system?

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The Nickman wrote: September 22, 2020, 10:36 am Paul McGregor is an absolutely AWFUL coach. It's truly mid-boggling to me how he kept his job for so long.
100%.
The fact they went and employed a GF winning coach (as an "assistant") says it all.
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gergreg wrote: September 22, 2020, 6:22 pm Maybe I have him mixed up with someone else but I thought the Titans had actually paid overs to get him out of the Storm system?

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nah. he went on the mormon mission, so came back cheap
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zim wrote: September 22, 2020, 3:57 pm Ah ok you're talking just in contract to contract value rather than how a club sees a players worth. My point was if someone was a min wager to you then 3 weeks good play is not going to make them suddenly worth double to your club.
We would have viewed him as a cheapie. If he's suddenly getting 300k then good luck to him. A few weeks good play won't move the needle here.
He will get starter money from someone.
Q is, does he want to play centre or wing?
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He's played his best footy at centre and at 28 he can probably extend the career a few more years to make up for the lower early years if he's not barging into the line on kick returns.
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Danny Weidler reporting Tristan Sailor has been told he’s not part of St Merge’s future

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Is he big enough to play first grade next year? I know we've got halves but could you slot him in anywhere else?
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Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: September 23, 2020, 7:03 pm Danny Weidler reporting Tristan Sailor has been told he’s not part of St Merge’s future

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Might have potential as a half but we don’t need a half, we need centres/wingers
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zim wrote:Is he big enough to play first grade next year? I know we've got halves but could you slot him in anywhere else?
Goes to show how much I watch him. I was thinking Centre/Wing as a possible Cotric or Rapana replacement, if Raps moves on
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He was named in the Canterbury cup team of the year at centre last year, so clearly can play in the backs. Pretty small in stature.. doesnt strike me as a modern winger. If we lose rapana id want us to make a play for one of the warriors wingers. Their young blokes stood up on the weekend. Surely one of those blokes or the 2 others back home could be tempted with a premiership
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Adam Pompey would be a good signing. He's one of the young guys you're talking about.
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zim wrote: September 23, 2020, 8:03 pm Adam Pompey would be a good signing. He's one of the young guys you're talking about.
I like Pompey but I think he is signed for next year. Patrick Herbert looked ok so maybe he is a chance.
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Colk wrote: September 23, 2020, 7:27 pm
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: September 23, 2020, 7:03 pm Danny Weidler reporting Tristan Sailor has been told he’s not part of St Merge’s future

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Might have potential as a half but we don’t need a half, we need centres/wingers
He is a FB/Half.

In 62mins this yr (2 games off the bench), he has 2 try assists, 3 tackle busts, 2 offloads and 2 forced dropouts.

His competition has done this:

Norman - 18 games, 5 tries, 15 forced drop-outs, 6 try assists, 8 line break assists.

Clune - 14 games, 0 tries, 7 forced drop-outs, 5 try assists, 7 line break assists, 4 offloads

Hunt - 19 games (half at hooker), 1 try, 8 forced drop-outs, 7 try assists, 5 line break assists, 16 offloads

In 62mins he has looked head and shoulders above the 2.2million dollars of players named above.
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Matt wrote: September 23, 2020, 8:49 pm
Colk wrote: September 23, 2020, 7:27 pm
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: September 23, 2020, 7:03 pm Danny Weidler reporting Tristan Sailor has been told he’s not part of St Merge’s future

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Might have potential as a half but we don’t need a half, we need centres/wingers
He is a FB/Half.

In 62mins this yr (2 games off the bench), he has 2 try assists, 3 tackle busts, 2 offloads and 2 forced dropouts.

His competition has done this:

Norman - 18 games, 5 tries, 15 forced drop-outs, 6 try assists, 8 line break assists.

Clune - 14 games, 0 tries, 7 forced drop-outs, 5 try assists, 7 line break assists, 4 offloads

Hunt - 19 games (half at hooker), 1 try, 8 forced drop-outs, 7 try assists, 5 line break assists, 16 offloads

In 62mins he has looked head and shoulders above the 2.2million dollars of players named above.
Their selections have been awful. He might be an option as a ball playing fullback but that would mean moving CNK to either wing or centre
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He’s only played five NRL games, one at fullback, one at half and one on the wing... both games he’s played this year off the bench. It’s a no from me... of course I’ve been wrong before, but Dragons cast off isn’t inspiring me. Would rather do some retention. Stuart isn’t giving all these young guys debuts for no reason IMO.
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Matt wrote:
Colk wrote: September 23, 2020, 7:27 pm
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: September 23, 2020, 7:03 pm Danny Weidler reporting Tristan Sailor has been told he’s not part of St Merge’s future

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Might have potential as a half but we don’t need a half, we need centres/wingers
He is a FB/Half.

In 62mins this yr (2 games off the bench), he has 2 try assists, 3 tackle busts, 2 offloads and 2 forced dropouts.

His competition has done this:

Norman - 18 games, 5 tries, 15 forced drop-outs, 6 try assists, 8 line break assists.

Clune - 14 games, 0 tries, 7 forced drop-outs, 5 try assists, 7 line break assists, 4 offloads

Hunt - 19 games (half at hooker), 1 try, 8 forced drop-outs, 7 try assists, 5 line break assists, 16 offloads

In 62mins he has looked head and shoulders above the 2.2million dollars of players named above.
Agreed, but let's not forget Griffin is coming in. Simple gameplans, focus on defence and not much need for a creative player. He probably thinks he can get Hunt and Norman playing his style of football, probably coached them both at the Broncos.

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greeneyed wrote: September 23, 2020, 9:42 pm He’s only played five NRL games, one at fullback, one at half and one on the wing... both games he’s played this year off the bench. It’s a no from me... of course I’ve been wrong before, but Dragons cast off isn’t inspiring me. Would rather do some retention. Stuart isn’t giving all these young guys debuts for no reason IMO.
I'll probably be proven wrong but I can't help thinking that in about 3 years people will be wondering what fools passed up on Tristan Sailor. The couipole of times I've seen him I've wondered why St George were picking at least three sock puppets ahead of him.
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Probably has something to do with that 3 years you're talking about and them trying to manufacture something now. Particularly with Mary trying to save his job. He'll put a lot of work into that body over 3 years.
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Lui_Bon wrote: September 23, 2020, 11:06 pm
greeneyed wrote: September 23, 2020, 9:42 pm He’s only played five NRL games, one at fullback, one at half and one on the wing... both games he’s played this year off the bench. It’s a no from me... of course I’ve been wrong before, but Dragons cast off isn’t inspiring me. Would rather do some retention. Stuart isn’t giving all these young guys debuts for no reason IMO.
I'll probably be proven wrong but I can't help thinking that in about 3 years people will be wondering what fools passed up on Tristan Sailor. The couipole of times I've seen him I've wondered why St George were picking at least three sock puppets ahead of him.
100%. He looks the goods to me. I know Dragz fans who are really really angry that he didnt play AND that they are letting him go.
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Matt wrote: September 24, 2020, 8:51 am
Lui_Bon wrote: September 23, 2020, 11:06 pm
greeneyed wrote: September 23, 2020, 9:42 pm He’s only played five NRL games, one at fullback, one at half and one on the wing... both games he’s played this year off the bench. It’s a no from me... of course I’ve been wrong before, but Dragons cast off isn’t inspiring me. Would rather do some retention. Stuart isn’t giving all these young guys debuts for no reason IMO.
I'll probably be proven wrong but I can't help thinking that in about 3 years people will be wondering what fools passed up on Tristan Sailor. The couipole of times I've seen him I've wondered why St George were picking at least three sock puppets ahead of him.
100%. He looks the goods to me. I know Dragz fans who are really really angry that he didnt play AND that they are letting him go.
Lets be objective though... when was the last time you met a happy Dragz fan?
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Coastalraider wrote: September 24, 2020, 11:30 am
Matt wrote: September 24, 2020, 8:51 am
Lui_Bon wrote: September 23, 2020, 11:06 pm
greeneyed wrote: September 23, 2020, 9:42 pm He’s only played five NRL games, one at fullback, one at half and one on the wing... both games he’s played this year off the bench. It’s a no from me... of course I’ve been wrong before, but Dragons cast off isn’t inspiring me. Would rather do some retention. Stuart isn’t giving all these young guys debuts for no reason IMO.
I'll probably be proven wrong but I can't help thinking that in about 3 years people will be wondering what fools passed up on Tristan Sailor. The couipole of times I've seen him I've wondered why St George were picking at least three sock puppets ahead of him.
100%. He looks the goods to me. I know Dragz fans who are really really angry that he didnt play AND that they are letting him go.
Lets be objective though... when was the last time you met a happy Dragz fan?
been a while, yes
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