NRL announces rule changes for trainers, endorses challenge system

[papabear]

* There were two main rule changes that were mandatory based on the grand final, and it sounds like they’ve both been botched!
* First of all trainers - you reset the play?! No you penalise the trainer’s team! Even with this rule in the grand final instead of Raiders having the ball in open field we get Roosters having last tackle again?! **** that for a joke. If I’m the Roosters trainer what’s the incentive for me not to have a crack at the ball?
* #6again - so the challenge system is supposed to address this? How? I’ll have to watch the video because I can’t fathom how that fixes the scenario.

It is absolutely incredible that the NRL has come up with this rule. It is what should happen if the ball touches the referee or spectator etc on the field. But a trainer interfering with play should OBVIOUSLY result in a penalty to the opposition. But no, not for the NRL!

It won't fix #SixAgain... it will take the pressure off the referee and NRL, that's all. It's a pressure valve... and it just means that there'd likely be video review of the incident. I suppose at least it would have allowed the Raiders to re-set, due to the delay.

The NRL hasn't done anything to clarify the rule which prevents referees changing their decisions.

I 100% agree with the bolded, it is beyond belief that this isnt a penalty against the team who have a trainer playing as a 14th man.

[papabear]

I'm not a fan of the 20/40 at all. The defensive team has put in a great kick and defended really well for 5 tackles only to have that entire effort taken away by 1 play.

I dont mind 20 / 40 keeps a bit of variety in the game.

The most boring part of league can be when attacking out of your own line, if you can successfully pull it off early in the game it should stop teams from committing all out to a rushing defence for fear of giving up another one, or they leave their edges open which a good team should try and exploit.

[bonehead]

get jack to drop back take the kick return and knock up a 20/40 on tackle 1

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[Johno]

get jack to drop back take the kick return and knock up a 20/40 on tackle 1

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Imagine prime Ricky Stuart and this rule?

Raiders would have been backpedalling from half way to get within the 20

[-TW-]

I wonder if this will promote more tackle 1 kicking

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[Botman]

Here's one for you on the 20/40...

20 metre restarts.... If i were coaching, my instructions to the team and Wighton would be very simple...A lot of the time the fullback is involved in chasing those grubbers... if a grubber goes into dead and it's a 20 metre restart the instructions are for wighton to race into a position that he feels comfortable in with a good angle and set himself... who ever picks the ball up, their job is to race as fast as they can to the spot, tap it and give it straight to wighton and as long as wingers and fullbacks are still inside our own 40, go and hit that 20/40. Wingers jobs are to sprint as fast as they can up that sideline, so they're either there to make the tackle if the ball doesnt go out, to take advantage of tap backs from wingers/fullbacks trying to avoid the 40/20, or even just to win the foot race if the ball doesnt go out and the opposition is either lazy or caught well out of position.

[The Nickman]

I actually like the 20/40 rule and for some reason thought it was an actual thing already that teams just never bothered to capitalise on

I was certain it used to be in place

[The Nickman]

Bring in a 30/30 and a 10/50 too... keep the opposition always on their toes for a sharp kicking game!!

[bonehead]

I actually like the 20/40 rule and for some reason thought it was an actual thing already that teams just never bothered to capitalise on

I was certain it used to be in place

only the brett finch optional restart

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[BJ]

True story. I once nailed a drop out with the wind behind me and on a hard Tuggeranong ground that actually bounced, rolled very hard and went dead at the other length of the field.

The referee awarded a 20m Tap for the opposition. I was furious as I thought they now needed to drop out.

[reptar]

True story. I once nailed a drop out with the wind behind me and on a hard Tuggeranong ground that actually bounced, rolled very hard and went dead at the other length of the field.

The referee awarded a 20m Tap for the opposition. I was furious as I thought they now needed to drop out.

I think if it went touch in goal, you're probably right.

[reptar]

Bring in a 30/30 and a 10/50 too... keep the opposition always on their toes for a sharp kicking game!!

A 10/10 gets you two sets of six. And a set of 17 steak knives.

[Neeeegz]

A trainer on the field should be a risk for that side, if the ball touches them, the other team would get 6 on that spot. You could at least kick at them then

[simo]

A trainer on the field should be a risk for that side, if the ball touches them, the other team would get 6 on that spot. You could at least kick at them then

Agree. Unless theyre on for a player being down or as part of concussion protocol

[The Nickman]

A trainer on the field should be a risk for that side, if the ball touches them, the other team would get 6 on that spot. You could at least kick at them then

Agree. Unless theyre on for a player being down or as part of concussion protocol

The ref should stop play for that anyway, so your point is moo, EDIT

[Botman]

Yep, trainers shouldnt be on the park unless its a dead ball situation, or a player is needing to be attended to, in which case the game should be stopped anyways.
If they make those changes then replaying the tackle is not something i have a problem with because the only time a trainer will get hit is if he's attending to a hurt player, and i dont think you should punish a team for that, especially if by rule the game is to be stopped and the official has failed to do that.

If they dont place this level of restrictions on the trainers then this rule change has achieved very little in terms of creating fair and just ruling for this type of situation and it a total and complete whiff.

Im hopeful that serious restrictions on when trainers can be on the field are coming, though i am more likely than not going to be let down by the NRL and their competition committee.

[bonehead]

at a minimum any player being tended by a trainer should be on a knee

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[simo]

A trainer on the field should be a risk for that side, if the ball touches them, the other team would get 6 on that spot. You could at least kick at them then

Agree. Unless theyre on for a player being down or as part of concussion protocol

The ref should stop play for that anyway, so your point is moo, EDIT

What did you call me?!

[The Nickman]

I called you what it's apparently fair game to call me, but I'm not allowed to reciprocate apparently.

[zim]

If the Some award with Hanbush winner of 2014 can't get a fair go, what hope is there for the rest of us? (I really just want to know what the banned word is)

[bonehead]

wot?

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[zim]

wot?

Tapatalk probably doesn't show the forum signatures.

[The Nickman]

If the Some award with Hanbush winner of 2014 can't get a fair go, what hope is there for the rest of us? (I really just want to know what the banned word is)

Go to the "NSW Selectors are Racists" thread, apparently that expression is allowed when aimed in my direction.

[Beejay]

Here's one for you on the 20/40...

20 metre restarts.... If i were coaching, my instructions to the team and Wighton would be very simple...A lot of the time the fullback is involved in chasing those grubbers... if a grubber goes into dead and it's a 20 metre restart the instructions are for wighton to race into a position that he feels comfortable in with a good angle and set himself... who ever picks the ball up, their job is to race as fast as they can to the spot, tap it and give it straight to wighton and as long as wingers and fullbacks are still inside our own 40, go and hit that 20/40. Wingers jobs are to sprint as fast as they can up that sideline, so they're either there to make the tackle if the ball doesnt go out, to take advantage of tap backs from wingers/fullbacks trying to avoid the 40/20, or even just to win the foot race if the ball doesnt go out and the opposition is either lazy or caught well out of position.

That’s actually already a rule. At a 20m rap you have the option to kick for touch and as long as it doesn’t go out on the full you get the ball back where it goes out. Doesn’t need to be 20/40.
However if you do kick it out on the full it’s a penalty to the opposition. Remember when Brett Finch took that option and stuffed it against Newcastle.

Now that you’ve reminded me of that it makes me think that in reality teams aren’t going to try this very often, since they haven’t attempted the kick from 20m restart for 10+ years

[greeneyed]

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[zim]

If the Some award with Hanbush winner of 2014 can't get a fair go, what hope is there for the rest of us? (I really just want to know what the banned word is)

Go to the "NSW Selectors are Racists" thread, apparently that expression is allowed when aimed in my direction.

I noped out of that thread when I realised what direction it was headed in. But that sounds like very poor form.

[greeneyed]

If the Some award with Hanbush winner of 2014 can't get a fair go, what hope is there for the rest of us? (I really just want to know what the banned word is)

Go to the "NSW Selectors are Racists" thread, apparently that expression is allowed when aimed in my direction.

I noped out of that thread when I realised what direction it was headed in. But that sounds like very poor form.

I think you have misunderstood zim.

The edits reflected name calling that involved swearing. To those involved, please desist from doing that. If people have complaints about the moderation, there’s a procedure set down in the forum guidelines. Send a PM to a moderator, don’t post them on the forum. Please follow that procedure everyone.

[zim]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[gerg]

Fans have been complaining about trainers on the field for over a decade. Whenever players, ex players or commentators were asked about it they would just say it's no big deal.

This is the same Muppets complaining about the lack of creativity in players these days. They don't have to be creative as there is a trainer out there telling them what to do in every set of six.

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[Botman]

Here's one for you on the 20/40...

20 metre restarts.... If i were coaching, my instructions to the team and Wighton would be very simple...A lot of the time the fullback is involved in chasing those grubbers... if a grubber goes into dead and it's a 20 metre restart the instructions are for wighton to race into a position that he feels comfortable in with a good angle and set himself... who ever picks the ball up, their job is to race as fast as they can to the spot, tap it and give it straight to wighton and as long as wingers and fullbacks are still inside our own 40, go and hit that 20/40. Wingers jobs are to sprint as fast as they can up that sideline, so they're either there to make the tackle if the ball doesnt go out, to take advantage of tap backs from wingers/fullbacks trying to avoid the 40/20, or even just to win the foot race if the ball doesnt go out and the opposition is either lazy or caught well out of position.

That’s actually already a rule. At a 20m rap you have the option to kick for touch and as long as it doesn’t go out on the full you get the ball back where it goes out. Doesn’t need to be 20/40.
However if you do kick it out on the full it’s a penalty to the opposition. Remember when Brett Finch took that option and stuffed it against Newcastle.

Now that you’ve reminded me of that it makes me think that in reality teams aren’t going to try this very often, since they haven’t attempted the kick from 20m restart for 10+ years

Yeah that’s probably fair

[simo]

Here's one for you on the 20/40...

20 metre restarts.... If i were coaching, my instructions to the team and Wighton would be very simple...A lot of the time the fullback is involved in chasing those grubbers... if a grubber goes into dead and it's a 20 metre restart the instructions are for wighton to race into a position that he feels comfortable in with a good angle and set himself... who ever picks the ball up, their job is to race as fast as they can to the spot, tap it and give it straight to wighton and as long as wingers and fullbacks are still inside our own 40, go and hit that 20/40. Wingers jobs are to sprint as fast as they can up that sideline, so they're either there to make the tackle if the ball doesnt go out, to take advantage of tap backs from wingers/fullbacks trying to avoid the 40/20, or even just to win the foot race if the ball doesnt go out and the opposition is either lazy or caught well out of position.

That’s actually already a rule. At a 20m rap you have the option to kick for touch and as long as it doesn’t go out on the full you get the ball back where it goes out. Doesn’t need to be 20/40.
However if you do kick it out on the full it’s a penalty to the opposition. Remember when Brett Finch took that option and stuffed it against Newcastle.

Now that you’ve reminded me of that it makes me think that in reality teams aren’t going to try this very often, since they haven’t attempted the kick from 20m restart for 10+ years

Yeah that’s probably fair

Its a drop kick from the 20 tap isnt it? Controlling the bounce from a drop kick isnt reliable. You can steer it from a normal kick.

[Seiffert82]

Here's one for you on the 20/40...

20 metre restarts.... If i were coaching, my instructions to the team and Wighton would be very simple...A lot of the time the fullback is involved in chasing those grubbers... if a grubber goes into dead and it's a 20 metre restart the instructions are for wighton to race into a position that he feels comfortable in with a good angle and set himself... who ever picks the ball up, their job is to race as fast as they can to the spot, tap it and give it straight to wighton and as long as wingers and fullbacks are still inside our own 40, go and hit that 20/40. Wingers jobs are to sprint as fast as they can up that sideline, so they're either there to make the tackle if the ball doesnt go out, to take advantage of tap backs from wingers/fullbacks trying to avoid the 40/20, or even just to win the foot race if the ball doesnt go out and the opposition is either lazy or caught well out of position.

That’s actually already a rule. At a 20m rap you have the option to kick for touch and as long as it doesn’t go out on the full you get the ball back where it goes out. Doesn’t need to be 20/40.
However if you do kick it out on the full it’s a penalty to the opposition. Remember when Brett Finch took that option and stuffed it against Newcastle.

Now that you’ve reminded me of that it makes me think that in reality teams aren’t going to try this very often, since they haven’t attempted the kick from 20m restart for 10+ years

Given only 37 40/20's were kicked during the entirety of last season (over ~200 games), I can't see too many teams being in position to execute a 20/40 under pressure.

We'd be lucky to see 10 all season. The risks of putting it out on the full are a pretty big disincentive.

[gerg]

Yes and no mate. Most teams these seem pretty comfortable defending inside their own 20. Sure it's something you wouldn't want to mess up a few times a game.

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[Seiffert82]

Yeah, I guess it depends on the status of the game.

[greeneyed]