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Shouldn't that Rd 21 game vs Manly be a Nine game too? Don't Nine take the final five weeks of Saturday 7.35 games?
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Must say i've never got people's fascination with us getting FTA games. Who cares. Their coverage is diabolical anyway.
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Hazza wrote: October 29, 2019, 10:35 am Must say i've never got people's fascination with us getting FTA games. Who cares. Their coverage is diabolical anyway.
Whilst I agree and I watch Fox anyway, it's important for sponsors, and for people - particularly kids who can't just walk down to the pub - who don't have Fox or Kayo.
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Yep so

Rd 3 vs Dragons H Thu
Rd 4 vs Eagles H Fri
Rd 5 vs Panthers A Sun
Rd 15 vs Roosters H Sun
Rd 16 vs Sharks A Sun
Rd 21 vs Eagles A Sat
Rd 22 vs Tigers H Sun
Rd 25 vs Storm H Sat

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By team FTA games

Broncos 18
Bulldogs 9
Cowboys 10
Dragons 12
Eels 12
Knights 7
Panthers 11
Rabbitohs 13
Raiders 8
Roosters 11
Sea Eagles 11
Sharks 8
Storm 14
Titans 2
Warriors 1
Tigers 11

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The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 9:20 am 8 free to air games, hey?? Can't wait for people to start complaining about it anyway.
Number of FTA games

Broncos 18
Storm 14
Rabbitohs 13
Dragons 12
Eels 12
Panthers 11
Roosters 11
Sea Eagles 11
Tigers 11
Cowboys 10
Bulldogs 9
Raiders 8
Sharks 8
Knights 7
Titans 2
Warriors 1

Are you saying that this distribution of FTA games is fair and reasonable? I don't think it is.
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The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 9:20 am 8 free to air games, hey?? Can't wait for people to start complaining about it anyway.
:lol: :lol:
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In order;

Team Games
Broncos - 18
Storm - 14
Rabbitohs - 13
Dragons - 12
Eels -- 12
Panthers - 11
Roosters - 11
Sea Eagles - 11
Tigers -- 11
Cowboys - 10
Bulldogs - 9
Raiders - 8
Sharks - 8
Knights - 7
Titans -- 2
Warriors - 1
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Botman wrote: October 29, 2019, 11:32 am
The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 9:20 am 8 free to air games, hey?? Can't wait for people to start complaining about it anyway.
:lol: :lol:
Indeed
Can't see why you wouldn't, equal 12th after making the GF.
1 more game than Newcastle who have been rubbish for 6 years.

10 or 11 would have been more reasonable.
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afgtnk wrote: October 29, 2019, 10:22 am
The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 9:20 am 8 free to air games, hey?? Can't wait for people to start complaining about it anyway.
Hold on - are you telling me that they've given us more FTA games off the back of success and turning ourselves around?

Surely not.
They can't have, that surely doesn't happen!!
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Haha people ARE still complaining about our increased FTA exposure!

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The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 11:56 am Haha people ARE still complaining about our increased FTA exposure!

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I can't understand why you are happy to be equal bottom 4 ?
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are we taking any home games away this year?
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julian87 wrote: October 29, 2019, 9:51 am That’s the 4th year in a row we don’t play a game in Newcastle. Incredibly frustrating for me being the only ground within 3 hrs from the North Coast.
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The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 11:56 am Haha people ARE still complaining about our increased FTA exposure!

Scenes!!
Increase yes but it's easy to increase when you've had bugger all prior to that. Statistically you can't paint it either way. 50% more than last year is the positive spin. Grand Finalists being one of the worst represented teams on FTA is the negative one.

The distribution is actually better than usual this year. Problem is it's still pretty ordinary. It's like a slightly better smelling ****.
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The Dragons were **** putrid last year and an absolute chore to watch - fourth highest number of FTA games.

Such nonsense.
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Northern Raider wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:22 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 11:56 am Haha people ARE still complaining about our increased FTA exposure!

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Increase yes but it's easy to increase when you've had bugger all prior to that. Statistically you can't paint it either way. 50% more than last year is the positive spin. Grand Finalists being one of the worst represented teams on FTA is the negative one.

The distribution is actually better than usual this year. Problem is it's still pretty ordinary. It's like a slightly better smelling ****.
Yeah but we're a small market. This is the same as every league in the world who are doing their schedules... the leagues try to provide SOME level of parity, but the reason the players earn the money they do is because of the billion dollar TV deal... that money doesnt come free, the league has to appease it's TV partners by giving them teams and markets that they can make money off through advertising

1/3 of our games will be on FTA, if we back up 2019 with another strong performance in 2020, ill bet that number will increase again next year,
Will it ever be total parity? No. And it shouldnt be unless we want to accept significantly less for the TV deal, and thus see a decrease in the salary cap and strength of the code.
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Play finals and we get more fta games on this year.
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Botman wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:27 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:22 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 11:56 am Haha people ARE still complaining about our increased FTA exposure!

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Increase yes but it's easy to increase when you've had bugger all prior to that. Statistically you can't paint it either way. 50% more than last year is the positive spin. Grand Finalists being one of the worst represented teams on FTA is the negative one.

The distribution is actually better than usual this year. Problem is it's still pretty ordinary. It's like a slightly better smelling ****.
Yeah but we're a small market. This is the same as every league in the world who are doing their schedules... the leagues try to provide SOME level of parity, but the reason the players earn the money they do is because of the billion dollar TV deal... that money doesnt come free, the league has to appease it's TV partners by giving them teams and markets that they can make money off through advertising

1/3 of our games will be on FTA, if we back up 2019 with another strong performance in 2020, ill bet that number will increase again next year,
Will it ever be total parity? No. And it shouldnt be unless we want to accept significantly less for the TV deal, and thus see a decrease in the salary cap and strength of the code.
Small market by comparison to Sydney as a whole. Doesn't mean every Sydney team holds the same appeal to the entire city. Townsville is smaller than Canberra and their team missed the finals yet they still get better representation. The market size can be used as justification but it's a misguided one.
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Botman wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:27 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:22 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 11:56 am Haha people ARE still complaining about our increased FTA exposure!

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Increase yes but it's easy to increase when you've had bugger all prior to that. Statistically you can't paint it either way. 50% more than last year is the positive spin. Grand Finalists being one of the worst represented teams on FTA is the negative one.

The distribution is actually better than usual this year. Problem is it's still pretty ordinary. It's like a slightly better smelling ****.
Yeah but we're a small market. This is the same as every league in the world who are doing their schedules... the leagues try to provide SOME level of parity, but the reason the players earn the money they do is because of the billion dollar TV deal... that money doesnt come free, the league has to appease it's TV partners by giving them teams and markets that they can make money off through advertising

1/3 of our games will be on FTA, if we back up 2019 with another strong performance in 2020, ill bet that number will increase again next year,
Will it ever be total parity? No. And it shouldnt be unless we want to accept significantly less for the TV deal, and thus see a decrease in the salary cap and strength of the code.
Nailed it.

The parity comes in with the grant we all receive off the back of that. Maybe we'll get FTA parity one day, I don't know. But for now, whilst the code is still heavily reliant on income from broadcasters, I don't think that'll change as they're not in a position to do so.
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afgtnk wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:41 pm
Botman wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:27 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:22 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 11:56 am Haha people ARE still complaining about our increased FTA exposure!

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Increase yes but it's easy to increase when you've had bugger all prior to that. Statistically you can't paint it either way. 50% more than last year is the positive spin. Grand Finalists being one of the worst represented teams on FTA is the negative one.

The distribution is actually better than usual this year. Problem is it's still pretty ordinary. It's like a slightly better smelling ****.
Yeah but we're a small market. This is the same as every league in the world who are doing their schedules... the leagues try to provide SOME level of parity, but the reason the players earn the money they do is because of the billion dollar TV deal... that money doesnt come free, the league has to appease it's TV partners by giving them teams and markets that they can make money off through advertising

1/3 of our games will be on FTA, if we back up 2019 with another strong performance in 2020, ill bet that number will increase again next year,
Will it ever be total parity? No. And it shouldnt be unless we want to accept significantly less for the TV deal, and thus see a decrease in the salary cap and strength of the code.
Nailed it.

The parity comes in with the grant we all receive off the back of that. Maybe we'll get FTA parity one day, I don't know. But for now, whilst the code is still heavily reliant on income from broadcasters, I don't think that'll change.
Fair distribution and parity are 2 different things.
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If it were based off fair distribution, then we should be earning less than others - not the same.
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The Rickman wrote:8 free to air games, hey?? Can't wait for people to start complaining about it anyway.
That’s great news for Raiders fans who can’t afford Foxtel or only take a casual interest in televised games.

From the days when Raiders didn’t get a single FTA game all season, this is a great improvement.

I used to coach soccer kids in Tuggeranong and there were only two Raiders fans and the rest followed Broncos, Roosters and Souths as they were all they saw on TV.
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Botman wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:27 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:22 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 11:56 am Haha people ARE still complaining about our increased FTA exposure!

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Increase yes but it's easy to increase when you've had bugger all prior to that. Statistically you can't paint it either way. 50% more than last year is the positive spin. Grand Finalists being one of the worst represented teams on FTA is the negative one.

The distribution is actually better than usual this year. Problem is it's still pretty ordinary. It's like a slightly better smelling ****.
Yeah but we're a small market. This is the same as every league in the world who are doing their schedules... the leagues try to provide SOME level of parity, but the reason the players earn the money they do is because of the billion dollar TV deal... that money doesnt come free, the league has to appease it's TV partners by giving them teams and markets that they can make money off through advertising

1/3 of our games will be on FTA, if we back up 2019 with another strong performance in 2020, ill bet that number will increase again next year,
Will it ever be total parity? No. And it shouldnt be unless we want to accept significantly less for the TV deal, and thus see a decrease in the salary cap and strength of the code.
Spot on. And people in here were complaining loudly that they didn't expect exactly the same number of FTA games as the biggest markets, they just wanted an increase reflecting our performance on field.

Well now that's happened, we've had an increase to our FTA coverage based on our performance on field (which many people said would never happen) and people are still complaining because we don't have exactly the same number of FTA games as teams like the Broncos?? Come on now.

And I've said it many, many times now... the biggest factor influencing our sponsorship, support and membership numbers is our performance on the field. We all saw that unbelievable crowd in the grand final, we're everyone's second team now. We have another season in 2020 like 2019 and we'll have even MORE support, FTA games or not.
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afgtnk wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:44 pm If it were based off fair distribution, then we should be earning less than others - not the same.
Huh? :?
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The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:58 pm
Well now that's happened, we've had an increase to our FTA coverage based on our performance on field (which many people said would never happen) and people are still complaining because we don't have exactly the same number of FTA games as teams like the Broncos?? Come on now.

And I've said it many, many times now... the biggest factor influencing our sponsorship, support and membership numbers is our performance on the field. We all saw that unbelievable crowd in the grand final, we're everyone's second team now. We have another season in 2020 like 2019 and we'll have even MORE support, FTA games or not.
Not a single person has said this.

I just think success like a Grand Final appearance should count for more than going from 3rd last to equal 4th last in FTA coverage.

I think we should be around the middle of the pack as last years Grand Finalist, that puts us at 10/11 games. That's not asking for much, and I think it's reasonable. If we are everyone's second team then put us on TV.

I don't accept the Bull we've been given on TV for the last 10 years, so I'm not going to base 'the amazing 8 games they've gifted us' off that previous poor record. Other teams with small markets have got a better run, and we need to stand up for our self.
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The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:58 pm
Botman wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:27 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:22 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 11:56 am Haha people ARE still complaining about our increased FTA exposure!

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Increase yes but it's easy to increase when you've had bugger all prior to that. Statistically you can't paint it either way. 50% more than last year is the positive spin. Grand Finalists being one of the worst represented teams on FTA is the negative one.

The distribution is actually better than usual this year. Problem is it's still pretty ordinary. It's like a slightly better smelling ****.
Yeah but we're a small market. This is the same as every league in the world who are doing their schedules... the leagues try to provide SOME level of parity, but the reason the players earn the money they do is because of the billion dollar TV deal... that money doesnt come free, the league has to appease it's TV partners by giving them teams and markets that they can make money off through advertising

1/3 of our games will be on FTA, if we back up 2019 with another strong performance in 2020, ill bet that number will increase again next year,
Will it ever be total parity? No. And it shouldnt be unless we want to accept significantly less for the TV deal, and thus see a decrease in the salary cap and strength of the code.
Spot on. And people in here were complaining loudly that they didn't expect exactly the same number of FTA games as the biggest markets, they just wanted an increase reflecting our performance on field.

Well now that's happened, we've had an increase to our FTA coverage based on our performance on field (which many people said would never happen) and people are still complaining because we don't have exactly the same number of FTA games as teams like the Broncos?? Come on now.

And I've said it many, many times now... the biggest factor influencing our sponsorship, support and membership numbers is our performance on the field. We all saw that unbelievable crowd in the grand final, we're everyone's second team now. We have another season in 2020 like 2019 and we'll have even MORE support, FTA games or not.
Who are you referring to here? I don't know who was saying we should get the same number of FTA games as the Broncos.
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Northern Raider wrote: October 29, 2019, 1:25 pm
afgtnk wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:44 pm If it were based off fair distribution, then we should be earning less than others - not the same.
Huh? :?
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Northern Raider wrote: October 29, 2019, 1:29 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:58 pm
Botman wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:27 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:22 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 11:56 am Haha people ARE still complaining about our increased FTA exposure!

Scenes!!
Increase yes but it's easy to increase when you've had bugger all prior to that. Statistically you can't paint it either way. 50% more than last year is the positive spin. Grand Finalists being one of the worst represented teams on FTA is the negative one.

The distribution is actually better than usual this year. Problem is it's still pretty ordinary. It's like a slightly better smelling ****.
Yeah but we're a small market. This is the same as every league in the world who are doing their schedules... the leagues try to provide SOME level of parity, but the reason the players earn the money they do is because of the billion dollar TV deal... that money doesnt come free, the league has to appease it's TV partners by giving them teams and markets that they can make money off through advertising

1/3 of our games will be on FTA, if we back up 2019 with another strong performance in 2020, ill bet that number will increase again next year,
Will it ever be total parity? No. And it shouldnt be unless we want to accept significantly less for the TV deal, and thus see a decrease in the salary cap and strength of the code.
Spot on. And people in here were complaining loudly that they didn't expect exactly the same number of FTA games as the biggest markets, they just wanted an increase reflecting our performance on field.

Well now that's happened, we've had an increase to our FTA coverage based on our performance on field (which many people said would never happen) and people are still complaining because we don't have exactly the same number of FTA games as teams like the Broncos?? Come on now.

And I've said it many, many times now... the biggest factor influencing our sponsorship, support and membership numbers is our performance on the field. We all saw that unbelievable crowd in the grand final, we're everyone's second team now. We have another season in 2020 like 2019 and we'll have even MORE support, FTA games or not.
Who are you referring to here? I don't know who was saying we should get the same number of FTA games as the Broncos.
I was strawmanning…. it was a strawman.

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The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 1:42 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 29, 2019, 1:29 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:58 pm
Botman wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:27 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 29, 2019, 12:22 pm
Increase yes but it's easy to increase when you've had bugger all prior to that. Statistically you can't paint it either way. 50% more than last year is the positive spin. Grand Finalists being one of the worst represented teams on FTA is the negative one.

The distribution is actually better than usual this year. Problem is it's still pretty ordinary. It's like a slightly better smelling ****.
Yeah but we're a small market. This is the same as every league in the world who are doing their schedules... the leagues try to provide SOME level of parity, but the reason the players earn the money they do is because of the billion dollar TV deal... that money doesnt come free, the league has to appease it's TV partners by giving them teams and markets that they can make money off through advertising

1/3 of our games will be on FTA, if we back up 2019 with another strong performance in 2020, ill bet that number will increase again next year,
Will it ever be total parity? No. And it shouldnt be unless we want to accept significantly less for the TV deal, and thus see a decrease in the salary cap and strength of the code.
Spot on. And people in here were complaining loudly that they didn't expect exactly the same number of FTA games as the biggest markets, they just wanted an increase reflecting our performance on field.

Well now that's happened, we've had an increase to our FTA coverage based on our performance on field (which many people said would never happen) and people are still complaining because we don't have exactly the same number of FTA games as teams like the Broncos?? Come on now.

And I've said it many, many times now... the biggest factor influencing our sponsorship, support and membership numbers is our performance on the field. We all saw that unbelievable crowd in the grand final, we're everyone's second team now. We have another season in 2020 like 2019 and we'll have even MORE support, FTA games or not.
Who are you referring to here? I don't know who was saying we should get the same number of FTA games as the Broncos.
I was strawmanning…. it was a strawman.

Sheesh... where's gangers when you need him??
Incredibly long winded strawman then.
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I didn't realise a Strawman had a word limit??

Anyway, my point still stands, massive exaggeration or no...
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The Rickman wrote: October 29, 2019, 1:44 pm I didn't realise a Strawman had a word limit??

Anyway, my point still stands, massive exaggeration or no...
If they don't then they should.

Like I said. We've been handed a slightly better smelling ****. Not exactly cause for rejoice. It's still a **** so of course people are going to complain.
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Re: Canberra Raiders 2020 NRL draw

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NRL draw winners and losers: How your team fared and who has the easiest and hardest 2020 schedule

The good folks at the Fox Sports Lab have picked apart who has the toughest draw, taking into account their head to head record, the venue and the travel between the rounds. Ricky Stuart will also have reason to smile given that the Green Machine play the joint-highest amount of games against sides from the bottom four... and the easiest draw.

Read more: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 3da40ba0ad

I think until I understand their methodology, I'm not so sure, given the Raiders also play the other four teams in the top five twice.
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Re: Canberra Raiders 2020 NRL draw

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Doing it at this time of the year is always just for a bit of discussion anyway. Some rosters could change quite a bit compared to this years.
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