2019 Grand Final V Roosters: Game Day

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
3
10%
Raiders 1-12
21
72%
Roosters 1-12
3
10%
Roosters 13+
2
7%
 
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I am broken.

This is the worst feeling I’ve ever had.
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gangrenous wrote: October 6, 2019, 9:37 pm
reptar wrote:
gangrenous wrote:
reptar wrote:Referee is the sole judge of a mutual infringement.
What do you mean by that reptar? What makes it a mutual infringement?
When play is irregularly affected. Although a trainer isn't in the list of examples
In that case I’d say that’s a massive screw up then. If that’s how you judge to settle that situation.
While the rule states it was entirely at the ref's discretion, common sense clearly wasn't applied. Roosters trainer cannot possibly be considered 'mutual' no matter how you look at it.
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89_90_94_?? wrote: October 6, 2019, 10:04 pm Did the better team win the game??? No. Did the better team have the chances to win the game and not take them? Yes. Did some bad decisions go against us? Yes, but you need luck to win a premiership and the rooster got it tonight. I'm as gutted as the rest of you, but extremely proud of the boys. Bring on 2020
Sorry but that six again call then to change it after a second tackle is made is disgusting it changed the game the Roosters scored from next set. He waved his hand signed six again then the video ref after the second tackle said last tackle then Cummings yelled last tackle change over. **** is the video ref making that call in the first place ? It totally changed the momentum of the game.
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Smurfette wrote: October 6, 2019, 9:30 pm Thurston grilling Robinson about his thoughts on the six again call. Robinson got pretty cranky and didn’t want to talk about it. Must take the gloss off a win when you know such a terrible decision played a big part in it.
The smart thing for him to do would be to play the diplomatic card and simply acknowledge the fact that yes, they got a very lucky call and that would have been the end of it as far as he is concerned, as the spotlight will then shift back onto Ben Cummins. No doubt he knew all too well that they got a massive leg up from the refs, that's why he got all defensive and started arguing that Roosters also copped some dubious calls. Cold comfort that most neutral fans felt we were extremely hard done by.
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Robinson is an arrogant twat.
I said it at the start of the year and stand by my proven correct comment.
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scooter wrote: October 7, 2019, 5:31 am
Smurfette wrote: October 6, 2019, 9:30 pm Thurston grilling Robinson about his thoughts on the six again call. Robinson got pretty cranky and didn’t want to talk about it. Must take the gloss off a win when you know such a terrible decision played a big part in it.
The smart thing for him to do would be to play the diplomatic card and simply acknowledge the fact that yes, they got a very lucky call and that would have been the end of it as far as he is concerned, as the spotlight will then shift back onto Ben Cummins. No doubt he knew all too well that they got a massive leg up from the refs, that's why he got all defensive and started arguing that Roosters also copped some dubious calls. Cold comfort that most neutral fans felt we were extremely hard done by.
I thought the Robinson acted embarrassingly when Thurston asked him about that call. Show some class and as said above be diplomatic and move on quickly to the next question.

This is a very weird feeling. I feel proud and I feel gutted. Must be how Wighton feels winning the Clive Churchill Medal in a losing team. Incidentally, even though we are 3-3 in our GF appearances we have had the CCM winner 5 times, twice in a beaten team.

I think we saw both teams show their true natures from the top down to the bottom last night. Roosters fans booing Wighton showed theirs. Stuart, Croker and Wighton not blaming anyone for our loss showed our clubs.
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Refs aside we should have won that game 100 times over....We just blew it . Roosters defense was just too good in the end but if BJ passes that ball we win imo.
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Just got back from Sydney after a huge GF night.

Did the refs cost us?
The charge down deflection and the #6againncall ,both led to rooster tries.

We had our chances but I really think the 6 again call was the one that if we get that repeat set we are on our way to icing it.

Rugby league is the only sport that continues to have blunders and cover them up,those calls go our way I think a different result but it’s done now.

So proud of everyone not just the players the fans and staff what a great job to hang with a team with basically origin,Australia and NZ reps across the park showed that we are a champion team!

We not see a GF again in a long time but was happy to be a part of it,I hope we keep building to a GF win and don’t drop off next year.
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-TW- wrote: October 6, 2019, 11:34 pm I'm a bit flat, but the upside is we should be there or there abouts next year

Just hoping we don't **** the bed like 17

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I’m feeling the same.

Much easier for me to foresee us turning up next season and being serious contenders again. Cam Smith’s a year older, Cronk’s gone, we’ll have all bar 1 or 2 of our current squad and an upgraded half who is hopefully seen as a threat by opposition defences.

We’re a very professional unit, thanks to the sharp recruitment from Ricky and his coaching. They’ll all be hungry from last nights loss.

No Austin, Paulo and no reserve graders on the bench.

Back to last night, what ended up happening with CNK? Was he injured? Gassed?
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Roger Kenworthy wrote:
LP Raider wrote: October 6, 2019, 11:23 pm Back in the olden days they said you had to lose one to win one.

We were pretty good tonight and hopefully with the addition of Williams he can strike up a good combo on that right side.

On reflection I think the refs did a good job of letting the game flow and Imo the 2 contentious calls ended up being correct. I think there were a few occasions that we could have had better game awareness.
Overall it was a great spectacle, if not for the result we wanted.
The problem is with the lack on continuity between seasons these days there are no guarantees. We're as likely to be 14th as we are 1st next year.
This is what scares me. Just ask Parra after 2009, Warriors after 2011 or Bulldogs after 2012. They all went to a GF and lost one, and were never to be seen again. Here’s hoping we’re more like Des’s Manly side, and we string a couple together.

I’m proud of the boys, but I’m gutted at the same time. Referee calls aside, we simply didn’t take our chances. There was 1 point in the 2nd half where they put up the stats and we were even across all counts. When a game is played like that, it comes down to a bit of luck, and we didn’t have it on the night
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Did Tedesco touch it? Any photos going around?
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Raiders666 wrote:Did Tedesco touch it? Any photos going around?
Not really the point.
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Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: October 7, 2019, 6:48 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote:
LP Raider wrote: October 6, 2019, 11:23 pm Back in the olden days they said you had to lose one to win one.

We were pretty good tonight and hopefully with the addition of Williams he can strike up a good combo on that right side.

On reflection I think the refs did a good job of letting the game flow and Imo the 2 contentious calls ended up being correct. I think there were a few occasions that we could have had better game awareness.
Overall it was a great spectacle, if not for the result we wanted.
The problem is with the lack on continuity between seasons these days there are no guarantees. We're as likely to be 14th as we are 1st next year.
This is what scares me. Just ask Parra after 2009, Warriors after 2011 or Bulldogs after 2012. They all went to a GF and lost one, and were never to be seen again. Here’s hoping we’re more like Des’s Manly side, and we string a couple together.

I’m proud of the boys, but I’m gutted at the same time. Referee calls aside, we simply didn’t take our chances. There was 1 point in the 2nd half where they put up the stats and we were even across all counts. When a game is played like that, it comes down to a bit of luck, and we didn’t have it on the night
100% agree with you Fui. We had an opportunity when Cronk went to the sin bin and we couldn't score. We have defended all sorts of decisions very well all year, but just couldn't do it after the 'six again' call. But for me the poor goal mouth defence for their first try was the more disappointing.

I'm very proud of the Raiders performances in 2019 and I was proud to be at the Grand Final and their performance before, during and after the game.
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Feeling very sick in the stomach this morning. After all these years to come down to that is just about the end of me and "professional" sports.
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scooter wrote:
gangrenous wrote: October 6, 2019, 9:37 pm
reptar wrote:
gangrenous wrote:
reptar wrote:Referee is the sole judge of a mutual infringement.
What do you mean by that reptar? What makes it a mutual infringement?
When play is irregularly affected. Although a trainer isn't in the list of examples
In that case I’d say that’s a massive screw up then. If that’s how you judge to settle that situation.
While the rule states it was entirely at the ref's discretion, common sense clearly wasn't applied. Roosters trainer cannot possibly be considered 'mutual' no matter how you look at it.
I agree, however there just isn't another rule to deal with it.
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InFernos_Raiders wrote:
89_90_94_?? wrote: October 6, 2019, 10:04 pm Did the better team win the game??? No. Did the better team have the chances to win the game and not take them? Yes. Did some bad decisions go against us? Yes, but you need luck to win a premiership and the rooster got it tonight. I'm as gutted as the rest of you, but extremely proud of the boys. Bring on 2020
Sorry but that six again call then to change it after a second tackle is made is disgusting it changed the game the Roosters scored from next set. He waved his hand signed six again then the video ref after the second tackle said last tackle then Cummings yelled last tackle change over. **** is the video ref making that call in the first place ? It totally changed the momentum of the game.
Should have been a scrum feed to us. Another mutual infraction. :)
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Hoping everyone is ok after that one. I think Ricky is correct when describes the Raiders fan as the most resident in the NRL. I just keep reading Twitter and news sites at the global outrage but not sure if that makes it better or worse.
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It doesn't get easier that's for sure. Not looking forward to us having to fight player managers all season while the Roosters pick and choose their squad either.
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The ball hitting the trainer was the correct call. It's the same as if it ht the ref: scrum to the attacking team. The rules define the "attacking team" as the one with the territorial advantage, which unfortunately was the Roosters. That was just bad luck.
Whether the Roosters got a touch on THAT ball, I don't know. But there's no doubt that they stuffed up by reversing the call. Make the damn call and stick to it!
We should have defended both. Especially the 6 again fail. We let them go 90 metres to score.
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T_R wrote: October 7, 2019, 6:58 am
Raiders666 wrote:Did Tedesco touch it? Any photos going around?
Not really the point.
This is the linesman's flag up all over again.

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That’s tough. I can cop losing by being outplayed by a superior team, however losing on the back of a terrible call is a bitter pill to swallow
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I’m feeling sick to the stomach. The calls were bad, no doubt, but for Annesley to come out and say that it was the right call??? Absolutely puts spotlights on the lack of integrity of the match officials. At least have the decency to say “he shouldn’t have changed his mind”. Is he saying that from now on all refs can change their calls following the first tackle after the call was made? He and Archer have to go.
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Don’t really have many words
I am absolutely gutted about that game... but I’m really proud of the players and staff for this season

They’ve worked their arses off all year long and last night gave it everything they had

Just didn’t take enough of our chances when we had them

Hell of a season.
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AJL wrote:The ball hitting the trainer was the correct call. It's the same as if it ht the ref: scrum to the attacking team. The rules define the "attacking team" as the one with the territorial advantage, which unfortunately was the Roosters. That was just bad luck.
Umm no. It’s not the same. One person is a neutral entitled to be in close proximity to the to play perform his/her role.

As stated earlier, if you want the rule to be black and white like that just pass it into your trainer forever on the 5th.
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I am absolutely 100% proud of our boys. They have played exceptionally well and shown grit, determination and heart all year. Everything that the Raiders should be.

Last night, we did everything right. We shut down Tedesco. Cronk and Kearey were quiet. Hargreaves and Cordner were contained. Our defence was for the most part very strong, our scramble exceptional.

I don’t think we did anything wrong. We can all hold our Heads high.

Every game of footy has moments that swing momentum. The Roosters got 2 of those moments and capitalised on both of them. That’s what sets them apart.

While it’s gut wrenching that both of their tries were scored off the back of questionable moments, that’s footy. We had opportunities to win, and we didn’t.

2019 will go down as our most successful year in a quarter of a century, and we have the Clive Churchill medalist in our team. We were best on ground, and are undoubtably the ‘people’s champions’ today.

We have a lot to be happy about.

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That was a hollow feeling when the chooks scored. We certainly didn’t get the run of the green but I couldn’t be prouder of the team and he way we played. Full credit to the roosters defence who turned away everything we threw at them. They just took their opportunities slightly better than us.

Let’s hope we can make our way here again next year and finish the job.

Fantastic season from the raiders and I thoroughly enjoyed it all and especially yesterday, despite the loss it was an amazing thing to be a part of. The crowd was amazing.

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Overall a great experience, even though couldn’t quite get the cherry on top. Season overall was a great success, Ricky and co have transformed the Raiders from erratic unpredictable rabble into a consistent Premiership capable winning side. Next year we will be better and stronger, the missing piece of the puzzle will be filled (touchwood) by George Williams, and I can see us going all the way.
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gangrenous wrote: October 7, 2019, 7:45 am
AJL wrote:The ball hitting the trainer was the correct call. It's the same as if it ht the ref: scrum to the attacking team. The rules define the "attacking team" as the one with the territorial advantage, which unfortunately was the Roosters. That was just bad luck.
Umm no. It’s not the same. One person is a neutral entitled to be in close proximity to the to play perform his/her role.

As stated earlier, if you want the rule to be black and white like that just pass it into your trainer forever on the 5th.
The rule makes a lot of sense under unlimited tackles and contested scrums and I believe it's been around that long unchanged. It's a stupid throwback nobody bothered to fix.

I'd agree they could've used their discretion, if the ref didn't make that call nobody would've thought anything of it.
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They tried there guts out there last night, were probably the better team for the majority of the match but just didn't capitalize on enough opportunities.
Anyway that's a huge effort against a very good roosters side , I couldn't ask for to much more out of them.
I don't regret coming over for it one bit, it was a hell of an atmosphere both pre game and during, that level of raiders fanfare/hype may never be repeated again as I reckon the time it has been since our last grand final appearance really added to the build up.
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gangrenous wrote: October 7, 2019, 7:45 am
AJL wrote:The ball hitting the trainer was the correct call. It's the same as if it ht the ref: scrum to the attacking team. The rules define the "attacking team" as the one with the territorial advantage, which unfortunately was the Roosters. That was just bad luck.
Umm no. It’s not the same. One person is a neutral entitled to be in close proximity to the to play perform his/her role.

As stated earlier, if you want the rule to be black and white like that just pass it into your trainer forever on the 5th.
Exactly, it was an absolutely shocking decision. I don’t buy the whole “it’s the rules” BS, if the refs strictly applied the rules all the time they would be giving away 100 penalties a game.

In that scenario a good referee, recognising the “rules” did not completely account for this situation, should’ve applied common sense and awarded the scrum feed to the Raiders, rather than handing the Roosters a try assist. Even if he chose to apply the rule strictly, it still should’ve been a scrum feed to the Raiders as we were the ones attacking at that point.

That was easily one of the worst calls in a GF, if not RL history.
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I agree rayden. I think the trainer call is actually much worse than the 6 again.

I actually have some sympathy for Cummins on that one. He made a call and then he’s realised he’s screwed up in a grand final. At that point he only has crap options left:
- deny one team a chance for an attacking play/repeat set
- award 6 tackles unfairly to a team in the opposition 20.

In the end he has gone for the lesser of two evils in deciding the game in all likelihood, at the expense of the optics on himself. Unlucky that the Raiders defence happened to break in that set and Roosters go 80m.

It’s a bad bad blunder, but after he’s made it he’s in an awful spot. On the flip side, there was no split second call on the Trainer. That’s just really poor judgement for me.
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Very gutted. We were the better team on the night but we didn't come away with the trophy. The refs calls didn't help but even with them, we didn't capitalise on our opportunities and that cost us.

I'm still proud and I cannot wait to see what the team can produce next year with Williams steering them.

But boy I wish it wasn't the roosters who won.. They have to have the most pathetic fans out of any team in the NRL.
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That was a really quality game of football, the last two Grand Finals have been one sided and that was anyone’s game. It’s a shame that it has been so marred by the 6 again debacle. I am not a refs faulter, I think we had enough chances to win the game (I really do think Papa would have scored if allowed to catch the ball) - but that ref cockup was one of the moments that defined the game. People saying “we hadn’t scored a try all second half” are missing the fact that it was 8-8, and we had bombed a certain try with Leilua passing too late. Regardless - we only needed a field goal at that stage. The call had a huge impact on the game, whatever way you look at it. You need luck to win these games, and the Roosters had all the luck last night - we had 3 near misses (Croker not catching the bomb to score, Papalii professional foul, Leilua late pass).

I was really impressed with Wighton and CNK. It is amazing to have 2 spine players as our best players in a Grand Final, and they are both relatively young. They will only get better. Wighton’s journey has been nothing short of incredible - from a near sacking to Clive Churchill.

I was also really happy with our forwards. I thought Horsburgh and Guler were class. Particularly Guler, in limited minutes - he is developing nicely. Lui tried hard and, ignoring his mistake, made some tough runs and defended well. Sia was great, generated plenty of momentum from his runs. Papalii was immense, given his pec injury. Bateman and Whitehead were solid as always. Tapine was a little quiet, but worked hard in defence.

2020 will be interesting - if Rapana does stay, I think it helps. We lose Sezer and maybe Leilua, upgrade Bateman. I am hoping Guler and Horsburgh stay on their trajectory, and Young can come back without the silly stuff. That’s three solid young forwards. A lot will depend on how George Williams goes, though I think Wighton has earned the right to be the dominant half.
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Re: 2019 Grand Final V Roosters: Game Day

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We were the better team but lost because we weren’t quite good enough to take our chances. Two of our blokes don’t make it back to the defensive line, the Roosters score two tries. And you’ve gotta take your hat off to that Roosters scrambling goal line D. They were everywhere.

Huge games for Jack, CNK, Papa’s second half and BJ (if only he’d passed). Defensively we limited Latrell and Teddy to one good play all night but that was all they needed.

That crowd vibe was incredible. Ears are still ringing like I’ve just done a day at Soundwave. That’s what I’ll remember. I love this team and I love youse all. Let’s do it again next year.
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Re: 2019 Grand Final V Roosters: Game Day

Post by LastRaider »

I’m still pissed over that call. Yes we hadn’t scored prior but we were building pressure which is what grand final’s are about. It’s not about scoring of every set, it’s not how games are won.

The #6again call was a game changer, changed momentum and we loss the pressure which was being built. Referring ruined the game!

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