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Prefer to see Croker leave
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-TW- wrote: October 15, 2019, 5:34 pm I think we went to his manager and said he's free to go if he can find another club, his manager wanted to extend.

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The original article indicated his manager approached us for an extension. We're obviously not in a position to agree to that yet.

I hope the club holds their ground and doesn't agree to pay another club to take him on.
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The manager came to the Raiders about an extension... and the Raiders said you can test the market for 2020.
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So basically he's playing for us in 2020 unless another club wants to take up his contract.

IMO the Raiders are playing this the right way if they don't believe another club will pay the money he's asking. It's the most certain way of setting his market value. Of course if somebody else is willing to pay him what he wants then that's OK. He may be simply be a luxury we can't afford.
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Yeah no one is taking him on unless we pay a lot of the freight

Upside is it's contract year so he might have a belter of a year

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The Rickman wrote: October 15, 2019, 4:42 pm
Butters wrote: October 15, 2019, 4:19 pm
boydy80 wrote: October 15, 2019, 4:16 pm I'm fine with it. He's on big money. Cotric gets a steady shot in the centres. Simonson gets the starting spot he deserves, and we get $650k to upgrade Wighton and co. Things could pan out worse for us post GF.
Only $450k if we're tipping in $200k
Not even that, you still have to fill his spot on the roster with at least a minimum wage guy. So how much do you really get?? 300k?
Yeah I’m not wild about it either
If we’ve got to tip in 1/3 of his salary and it only ends up effectively freeing up 300k

That feels like a bad deal to me
But maybe 300k will make the difference for Wighton and Bateman
Maybe the club feels like it’s worth it
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The Rickman wrote: October 15, 2019, 5:05 pm
Billy Walker wrote: October 15, 2019, 5:03 pm
Raiders666 wrote: October 15, 2019, 4:44 pm Can't we let Croker go instead?
I think that would be a better option.
I'd happily let Croker AND Joey walk if you'd **** off.
That’s just crazy talk - why would we release both centres? 🤪
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PigRickman wrote: October 15, 2019, 6:14 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 15, 2019, 4:42 pm
Butters wrote: October 15, 2019, 4:19 pm
boydy80 wrote: October 15, 2019, 4:16 pm I'm fine with it. He's on big money. Cotric gets a steady shot in the centres. Simonson gets the starting spot he deserves, and we get $650k to upgrade Wighton and co. Things could pan out worse for us post GF.
Only $450k if we're tipping in $200k
Not even that, you still have to fill his spot on the roster with at least a minimum wage guy. So how much do you really get?? 300k?
Yeah I’m not wild about it either
If we’ve got to tip in 1/3 of his salary and it only ends up effectively freeing up 300k

That feels like a bad deal to me
But maybe 300k will make the difference for Wighton and Bateman
Maybe the club feels like it’s worth it
If that happens there needs to be some serious questions about how that occurred. I get that some players won’t live up to expectations on a deal because of injury or bad fit, loss of form etc but that isn’t the case here.

BJ is playing and performing in line with where you would expect when he signed the deal. I’m not against moving him on but paying a third of his salary for him to play elsewhere seems to me like someone screwed up in signing off his last contract on massive overs!
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Billy Walker wrote: October 15, 2019, 6:16 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 15, 2019, 5:05 pm
Billy Walker wrote: October 15, 2019, 5:03 pm
Raiders666 wrote: October 15, 2019, 4:44 pm Can't we let Croker go instead?
I think that would be a better option.
I'd happily let Croker AND Joey walk if you'd **** off.
That’s just crazy talk - why would we release both centres? 🤪
There's a subtle hint in his post.
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I’d like to keep BJ for 2020 (if we had to pay freight) and would not be against him leaving in 2021.
In other words, we should not be paying freight to let BJ go.
I’d be shipping Sezer and lesser likes if we needed additional space to keep Wighton and Bateman long term.
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Northern Raider wrote: October 15, 2019, 6:25 pm
Billy Walker wrote: October 15, 2019, 6:16 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 15, 2019, 5:05 pm
Billy Walker wrote: October 15, 2019, 5:03 pm
Raiders666 wrote: October 15, 2019, 4:44 pm Can't we let Croker go instead?
I think that would be a better option.
I'd happily let Croker AND Joey walk if you'd **** off.
That’s just crazy talk - why would we release both centres? 🤪
There's a subtle hint in his post.
Just like Crokers kick against the tigers in the 2010 final, I guess I missed it....
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Billy Walker wrote: October 15, 2019, 6:54 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 15, 2019, 6:25 pm
Billy Walker wrote: October 15, 2019, 6:16 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 15, 2019, 5:05 pm
Billy Walker wrote: October 15, 2019, 5:03 pm
I think that would be a better option.
I'd happily let Croker AND Joey walk if you'd **** off.
That’s just crazy talk - why would we release both centres? 🤪
There's a subtle hint in his post.
Just like Crokers kick against the tigers in the 2010 final, I guess I missed it....
The similarities are uncanny
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BJ is a marquee player, the type that can win you Grand Finals (and sometimes lose them). He would have played SOO by now if it weren’t for injury. Not only would I be disappointed to see him go, I posit that it would be a massive blow to our GF aspirations next season. I’m all for giving young lads like Simonssen a shot but showing flashes does not amount to filling the boots of one of the best centres in the world when in peak form. Maybe people are pissed that he threw that ball forward (arguably) but the same people forget how many tries he’s scored and set up playing that exact style.

Swapping risk and X factor for a more conservative safe option is a bad strategy imo. I’d rather see Croker go than BJ, for 650k considering what others in the club are paid he is a bargain.
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The club has played this situation well. I suspect he will still be at the Raiders next season and somewhere else in 2021.

Rapana playing for minimum wage next year and Sezer leaving for ESL should free up enough moolas for Bateman renegging on his contract.
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Got word last night that Dragons are keen on BJ for next year.

Sort of indicates to me there might be a Lomax/BJ swap deal
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Is his brother Luciano still at Dragons? That would make it pretty attractive. In every other way it is a dire career move to a garbage fire club, coach and situation for him.
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Yep, good luck to him. :lol:

It's tough. He's just come out of a massive injury scare. Who knows what will happen in the future with him.
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Yeah I think his brother is there.

I think the Dragons will perform much better next year. They signed Shane Flanagan as assistant coach but he will be basically running the show. They were also quite disrupted with the off field stuff ie. Jack De Berlin saga this year
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He's also a dragons junior isn't he?

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LastRaider wrote:Yeah I think his brother is there.

I think the Dragons will perform much better next year. They signed Shane Flanagan as assistant coach but he will be basically running the show. They were also quite disrupted with the off field stuff ie. Jack De Berlin saga this year
Agreed. Flanagan's character is questionable but he is a good coach.

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I'd be disappointed to lose BJ, though it sounds likely. While our other outside backs are solid he adds that x-factor to our side and we really need it - Cotric / Simo / Croker etc are all solid in my view, but we need someone with that match turning ability.
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Azza wrote: October 16, 2019, 1:24 pm I'd be disappointed to lose BJ, though it sounds likely. While our other outside backs are solid he adds that x-factor to our side and we really need it - Cotric / Simo / Croker etc are all solid in my view, but we need someone with that match turning ability.
It would put a lot pressure on Williams to become the creator on the right edge from day one. A year of them crossing over would have us better informed when making a Leilua decision.
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Azza wrote: October 16, 2019, 1:24 pm I'd be disappointed to lose BJ, though it sounds likely. While our other outside backs are solid he adds that x-factor to our side and we really need it - Cotric / Simo / Croker etc are all solid in my view, but we need someone with that match turning ability.
That's right. Solid is top 8, maybe an away prelim. Not Grand Final. After we have a good season we typically become complacent and recruit badly and predict our juniors will rise to stardom.
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afgtnk wrote: October 15, 2019, 5:16 pm This is where the emotion, attachment, and lack of ruthlessness kicks in.

BJ is a striker player, an X factor, and a better centre than Croker in almost every facet. I'm not exactly against the idea of Leilua going, but I am against it when an inferior player in Croker with less bearing on our title chances stays instead on big money. That's the way you **** up any chances you have of a premiership.
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We lose a lot of go forward without Beej
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The feeling within the Raiders is Leilua will stay: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239
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Lomax appears to be more of a like-like replacement for Croker, not BJ.

Obviously not what the club are seeing Lomax as, but that’s a more logical move IMO.
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Oh, give it the hell up already you sadsack jerks! Like it or not Jarrod Croker is not going ANYWHERE and nor should he!
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The emotional, heavily green goggled, almost religious like attachment a lot of our fans have to Jarrod Croker has to be one of the weirdest things I've seen to do with the Canberra Raiders or Rugby League. It makes such little sense.
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afgtnk wrote:The emotional, heavily green goggled, almost religious like attachment a lot of our fans have to Jarrod Croker has to be one of the weirdest things I've seen to do with the Canberra Raiders or Rugby League. It makes such little sense.
As does the polar opposite sentiment mate.

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If by polar opposite you're insinuating completely rubbish player, should be playing NSW cup, etc, then I'd wager that very few of our own fans truly hold this view - I certainly don't personally.

But for fans to continually signal that he's seemingly above reproach, and that it is almost blasphemous to suggest that he should be replaced by a cheaper alternative at some point in the near future to help with the cap, is insanity. It has honestly gone way too far and those fans have lost their ability to think rationally about him.
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afgtnk wrote: October 16, 2019, 7:16 pm If by polar opposite you're insinuating completely rubbish player, should be playing NSW cup, etc, then I'd wager that very few of our own fans truly hold this view - I certainly don't personally.

But for fans to continually signal that he's seemingly above reproach, and that it is almost blasphemous to suggest that he should be replaced by a cheaper alternative at some point in the near future to help with the cap, is insanity. It has honestly gone way too far and those fans have lost their ability to think rationally about him.
Who do you suggest?

...without the hyperbole if you want a rational discussion. ;)
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The people that can no longer think rationally are those that just continually bring him up in almost every thread.

I think most fans, including myself, assume Croker is on less money than BJ. Croker is a good player, our co captain, goal kicker and top try scorer.
It all comes down to value.
If they are on exactly the same money. I’m way less solid on Croker. BJ is a favourite of mine. Depends if Croker is being overpaid to match BJ, or BJ is being underpaid to match Croker.

If BJ is on strike centre money, like he should be when he signed his contract at the end of 2016, then you could say he’s a luxury we maybe can no longer afford.
If Croker is on more reasonable money then he’s worth all those other things including culture and leadership.

What those figures are, and what the market rates for centres are in 2019/2020, I don’t really know. The fact we don’t know their contract amounts makes it hard.
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Fact is this has nothing to do with Croker specifically. It's only a select few, very special people on this forum who want to bring him up in nearly every thread.
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afgtnk wrote: October 16, 2019, 7:07 pm The emotional, heavily green goggled, almost religious like attachment a lot of our fans have to Jarrod Croker has to be one of the weirdest things I've seen to do with the Canberra Raiders or Rugby League. It makes such little sense.
It's not just our fans who have it... It's also our playing group, our coach, our recruitment manager and our CEO.
So it really doesnt matter what the fans think of him. The people who matter are Stuart, Mulholland and Furner, and they've made it abundently clear he's here to stay. They believe he's a vital cog for the culture being established, they believe him to be a good leader for this team, Stuart speaks glowingly of his contrubtions to the club on and off the park, the players to a man adore him, and from a CEO perspective, he's as clean as you could ask for as a captain and role model.

The club specifically mentioned him as someone that is a priority to get sorted out this off season
You're going to have to come to terms with this at some point, asfnaskzala. He's not going anywhere.
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