Hudson Young suspended for eight weeks

[greeneyed]

@danginnane on Twitter

The rabbit has been pulled out of the hat. The great Nick Ghabar has produced Adam Pompey via video link. Pompey says he felt no gouge from Hudson Young, or any contact around the eyes.

[Roger Kenworthy]

Kiwi, i dont think the fact the Young wasnt successful with his attempt at an eye gauge will hold as much sway as you think it will.
The lack of reaction is simply explained by saying, try as he might, and BOY did he try, thankfully Hudson Young didnt get the players eyes. I dont think that saves him at all. The video is damning, that action can not be viewed objectively as anything but an attempt to gauge the player... the fact he didnt suceed in that shouldnt save him from a lengthy suspension, and it wont imo

But the judiciary is as unpredictable as any body in the game of RL. Nothing would totally stun me with them

Knowing the NRL judiciary Young will get off for the gouge but will get 5 weeks for forcibly removing eye lashes.

[greeneyed]

A quick recap of Hudson Young’s testimony. He says he accidentally made contact with Pompey's face after his grip slipped off Pompey's hand in the tackle. In trying to stop a try, "I was just trying to grab anything. I felt his face and slipped off his face".

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/09/10/jud ... ng--evans/

[-PJ-]

Kiwi, i dont think the fact the Young wasnt successful with his attempt at an eye gauge will hold as much sway as you think it will.
The lack of reaction is simply explained by saying, try as he might, and BOY did he try, thankfully Hudson Young didnt get the players eyes. I dont think that saves him at all. The video is damning, that action can not be viewed objectively as anything but an attempt to gauge the player... the fact he didnt suceed in that shouldnt save him from a lengthy suspension, and it wont imo

But the judiciary is as unpredictable as any body in the game of RL. Nothing would totally stun me with them

Knowing the NRL judiciary Young will get off for the gouge but will get 5 weeks for forcibly removing eye lashes.

And 10 weeks on top for not clipping his nails..

[greeneyed]

NRL counsel arguing Young had a grip on Pompey’s eye socket.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/09/10/jud ... ng--evans/

[T_R]

Very hard to claim an eye gouge when the 'victim' denies it.

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[greeneyed]

Nick Ghabar summing up saying the judiciary should not reject the player’s accounts: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/09/10/jud ... ng--evans/

[greeneyed]

Very hard to claim an eye gouge when the 'victim' denies it.

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The NRL lawyers got him to say, however, that he believes what happens on the field should remain on the field.

[edwahu]

Very hard to claim an eye gouge when the 'victim' denies it.

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Asked if "what happens on the field should stay on the field", Pompey says: "Yep".

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

[greeneyed]

@mrchrisnico on Twitter

This is so tough. Hudson Young swears until blue in face he never gouged. Adam Pompey hardly convincing but also issued denials. Yet kid now risks 2-3 months based on a grainy blown-up TV still. Not black and white peeps ...

[T_R]

That leads us to the suggestion that he's perjuring himself. Slippery slope.



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[kona_dream]

But there wasn't any reaction on the field either. Not even holding his eye or getting a water bottle to wash it out. If you get a finger in the eye you are going to touch it in some way.

[-PJ-]

If Hudson is found not guilty I feel Bert Funch will lose his @and$?.

[Danaman137]

Don’t think you can take Young’s testimony with much weight. Bloke is looking at 2-3 months and wants to play finals for the first time this weekend. He’ll say anything. The Pompey testimony is interesting though. Can’t discount that


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[1992]

This reminds me of Wighton in '16...but not funny.

[greeneyed]

That leads us to the suggestion that he's perjuring himself. Slippery slope.



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As Paul Kent just said... aren’t all his responses just showing all his testimony is honest?

[cat]

NRL counsel arguing Young had a grip on Pompey’s eye socket.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/09/10/jud ... ng--evans/

how can Hudson have a "grip" on the warrior's eye socket and Pompey not react at all?

this is actually looking ok for hudson

[kiwi raider]

But there wasn't any reaction on the field either. Not even holding his eye or getting a water bottle to wash it out. If you get a finger in the eye you are going to touch it in some way.

Exactly, he may have tried to gouge him but he clearly didn't actually contact the eye

[simo]

Its a fair point. Youd have to have the toughest set of eyes in the world to have anything go near them and have no reaction towards them whatsoever

[greeneyed]

Defence summing up continues... video doesn’t show contact with the eyes.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/09/10/jud ... ng--evans/

[edwahu]

You can't really commit perjury as it's not a real court. At least you can't be punished for it.

[1992]

The risk factor of Young's contact is too high.

[greeneyed]

8:41pm All the evidence now heard and the Chairman about to send the panel off to deliberate.

First they must determine guilty or not guilty. Then sentence is considered if guilty.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/09/10/jud ... ng--evans/

[GreenMachine]

So if guilty, we have another hearing to determine the length.

If not guilty, he’s free.

[Danaman137]

So if guilty, we have another hearing to determine the length.

If not guilty, he’s free.

That happen tonight or another time?


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[GreenMachine]

So if guilty, we have another hearing to determine the length.

If not guilty, he’s free.

That happen tonight or another time?


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I think so.

[greeneyed]

And now the Judiciary chair is instructucting the panel to consider if Pompey’s evidence is “influenced” by his view that what happens on the field should stay on the field.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/09/10/jud ... ng--evans/

[cat]

So if guilty, we have another hearing to determine the length.

If not guilty, he’s free.

That happen tonight or another time?


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I think so.

that will happen tonight, if Hudson is guilty Evens may need a sleeping bag to use while he waits

[nachopants]

The chair literally saying "ignore the victim if you don't believe him" hahah, Kangaroo court much?

[GreenMachine]

You can clearly see this is heading towards a guilty result.
The fact that the panel are reminded to consider Adam Pompey’s evidence as possibly corrupted by a sense of player loyalty is ridiculous.
What about the fact there was no reaction from Pompey directly after the incident?

[edwahu]

And now the Judiciary chair is instructucting the panel to consider if Pompey’s evidence is “influenced” by his view that what happens on the field should stay on the field.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/09/10/jud ... ng--evans/

I hope for fairness sake he is also reminding them of this direction in the judiciary rules

You should have regard to all of the evidence in the case, and that includes the
video evidence. You may find the video evidence clear and compelling but you
should bear in mind that it can sometimes be misleading. There has been at least
one case before the Judiciary in which one camera angle appeared to show
contact, but another camera angle showed a distinct gap between the arm of the
tackling player and the head of the player being tackled.

[GreenMachine]

Kangaroo court 100%

[nachopants]

The "unwritten code between professionals" already has a precedent this year with Munster...

[Azza]

He'll get time, 100%. And deserves it. The question is the length.

[kona_dream]

If the defence showed there was no immediate reaction to any eye contact. The alleged victim and defendant say no contact. It is going to hard to prove a significant breach warranting much if any time on the side line.