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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
3
13%
Raiders 1-12
14
61%
Draw
1
4%
Roosters 1-12
3
13%
Roosters 13+
2
9%
 
Total votes: 23

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2019 Rd 21 V Roosters: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

Post by greeneyed » August 2, 2019, 10:59 pm

2019 Rd 21 V Roosters: Teams and Previews

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The Raiders produced a great win over the New Zealand Warriors after a short turnaround in Auckland. Now they host the 2018 premiers, the Sydney Roosters at Canberra Stadium. Who should line up for the Green Machine? Tell us your team here and see how you go in comparison to the official squad when announced. We will include the official line ups in the first post of this thread as soon as they're available.

OFFICIAL SQUADS

Canberra Raiders

1. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
2. Bailey Simonsson
3. Jarrod Croker (C)
4. Nick Cotric
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Jack Wighton
7. Aidan Sezer
8. Josh Papalii
9. Josh Hodgson (C)
10. Sia Soliola
11. John Bateman
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Joe Tapine

14. Siliva Havili
15. Dunamis Lui
16. Corey Horsburgh
17. Ryan Sutton

18. Sam Williams
19. Joey Leilua
20. Emre Guler
21. Michael Oldfield

Injury/Suspension
Brad Abbey (Knee) Season

Sydney Roosters

1. James Tedesco
2. Daniel Tupou
3. Latrell Mitchell
4. Joseph Manu
5. Brett Morris
6. Luke Keary
7. Cooper Cronk (c)
8. Jared Waerea-Hargreaves
9. Sam Verrills
10. Isaac Liu
11. Angus Crichton
12. Mitchell Aubusson
13. Victor Radley

14. Nat Butcher
15. Zane Tetevano
16. Poasa Faamausili
17. Sitili Tupouniua

18. Lindsay Collins
19. Drew Hutchison
20. Matt Ikuvalu
21. Lachlan Lam

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Sideline Officials: Belinda Sharpe, Phil Henderson
Video Referees: Jared Maxwell, Ben Galea

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Post by zim » August 2, 2019, 11:10 pm

1. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
2. Bailey Simonsson
3. Jarrod Croker
4. Nick Cotric
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Jack Wighton
7. Aidan Sezer
8. Josh Papalli
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Sia Soliola
11. John Bateman
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Joseph Tapine

14. Hudson Young
15. Ryan Sutton
16. Corey Horsburgh
17. Dunamis Lui

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Post by greeneyed » August 2, 2019, 11:34 pm

Maybe Hodgson should start on on the bench with Havilii starting?
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Post by Billy Walker » August 2, 2019, 11:39 pm

zim wrote:
August 2, 2019, 11:10 pm
1. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
2. Bailey Simonsson
3. Jarrod Croker
4. Nick Cotric
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Jack Wighton
7. Aidan Sezer
8. Josh Papalli
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Sia Soliola
11. John Bateman
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Joseph Tapine

14. Hudson Young
15. Ryan Sutton
16. Corey Horsburgh
17. Dunamis Lui
That is exactly the side I would pick. Unlucky for Oldfield but Cotric gets the nod. Havilli has done nothing wrong but those four off the bench offer a lot more given we get 80 mins out of Hodgo. I suspect you will get screamed down for suggesting leaving Havilli out but that’s the exact team I’d name for what it’s worth.

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Post by zim » August 2, 2019, 11:51 pm

greeneyed wrote:
August 2, 2019, 11:34 pm
Maybe Hodgson should start on on the bench with Havilii starting?
If we wanna rest Hodgo don't play him at all and give the job to Havili / Starling for that week. Otherwise he starts for me every week.

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Post by -TW- » August 2, 2019, 11:54 pm

greeneyed wrote:Maybe Hodgson should start on on the bench with Havilii starting?
Why?

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Post by zim » August 2, 2019, 11:57 pm

Billy Walker wrote:
August 2, 2019, 11:39 pm
zim wrote:
August 2, 2019, 11:10 pm
1. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
2. Bailey Simonsson
3. Jarrod Croker
4. Nick Cotric
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Jack Wighton
7. Aidan Sezer
8. Josh Papalli
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Sia Soliola
11. John Bateman
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Joseph Tapine

14. Hudson Young
15. Ryan Sutton
16. Corey Horsburgh
17. Dunamis Lui
That is exactly the side I would pick. Unlucky for Oldfield but Cotric gets the nod. Havilli has done nothing wrong but those four off the bench offer a lot more given we get 80 mins out of Hodgo. I suspect you will get screamed down for suggesting leaving Havilli out but that’s the exact team I’d name for what it’s worth.
We slightly differ in that I think Havili has done "something" wrong. Not to the point he "deserves" to be dropped but we are picking the best side here for the top teams.
I think he might be the only player this year that hasn't gotten better in defense.
If Hodgo does go down Bateman can fill in (with Young at second row) and we only drop that game (maybe). If it's a serious injury then Havili has just spent a couple of weeks at Mounties punching out 60mins at hooker.

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Post by Billy Walker » August 3, 2019, 6:24 am

zim wrote:
August 2, 2019, 11:57 pm
Billy Walker wrote:
August 2, 2019, 11:39 pm
zim wrote:
August 2, 2019, 11:10 pm
1. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
2. Bailey Simonsson
3. Jarrod Croker
4. Nick Cotric
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Jack Wighton
7. Aidan Sezer
8. Josh Papalli
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Sia Soliola
11. John Bateman
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Joseph Tapine

14. Hudson Young
15. Ryan Sutton
16. Corey Horsburgh
17. Dunamis Lui
That is exactly the side I would pick. Unlucky for Oldfield but Cotric gets the nod. Havilli has done nothing wrong but those four off the bench offer a lot more given we get 80 mins out of Hodgo. I suspect you will get screamed down for suggesting leaving Havilli out but that’s the exact team I’d name for what it’s worth.
We slightly differ in that I think Havili has done "something" wrong. Not to the point he "deserves" to be dropped but we are picking the best side here for the top teams.
I think he might be the only player this year that hasn't gotten better in defense.
If Hodgo does go down Bateman can fill in (with Young at second row) and we only drop that game (maybe). If it's a serious injury then Havili has just spent a couple of weeks at Mounties punching out 60mins at hooker.
Spot on. How do we expect Havilli to turn out 80 minutes at dummy half at a finals intensity when we play him 20 in the middle. Give him big minutes in the Mounties- stack our bench with the guys you’ve suggested and give them all good minutes to manage the workload on Papa, and others. It just makes sense.

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Post by RedRaider » August 3, 2019, 7:18 am

Include Nic Cotric and leave it at that. We have tried to convert back rowers into hooker before - remember the Tongue experiment. Leave Bateman to do what Bateman does best which is to be a top level back rower. Havili is going just fine at bench backrow/hooker. We have a heap of 'long minute' players in our pack. We have a player who can play hooker at FG level and is a genuine back up for Hodgo. We have just come off two of our best performances of the season and they were only 5 days apart.

Other than for Nic Cotric I would not change the side. Young has had one game back for Mounties and Sutton, as far as I know, is still injured. Sutton would come back through Mounties for match fitness for mine given that the side is performing well. We get a 9 day turn around for the Chooks game. It should be a cracker.

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Post by dubby » August 3, 2019, 7:35 am

Ok, this is going to be an interesting few weeks. We play 3 of the best teams in the comp, and you can bet at one of them will win the comp.

It's almost the finals before the finals.

The shark's are somewhat a bogey side for us as well.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this unfolds, to see how we measure up against the big clubs.

Bring it on.

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Post by Billy Walker » August 3, 2019, 7:37 am

RedRaider wrote:
August 3, 2019, 7:18 am
Include Nic Cotric and leave it at that. We have tried to convert back rowers into hooker before - remember the Tongue experiment. Leave Bateman to do what Bateman does best which is to be a top level back rower. Havili is going just fine at bench backrow/hooker. We have a heap of 'long minute' players in our pack. We have a player who can play hooker at FG level and is a genuine back up for Hodgo. We have just come off two of our best performances of the season and they were only 5 days apart.

Other than for Nic Cotric I would not change the side. Young has had one game back for Mounties and Sutton, as far as I know, is still injured. Sutton would come back through Mounties for match fitness for mine given that the side is performing well. We get a 9 day turn around for the Chooks game. It should be a cracker.
Red i don’t think anyone is suggesting we change a back rower to a hooker as part of any week to week tactical game plan. It’s more about acknowledging that Hodgo knocks out a solid 80 mins at dummy half week in and week out and doesn’t need a bench back up. It would only be in the horror scenario that the tough little bugger got injured that you would get Bateman or someone to slot in to dummy half to complete that game. If Hodgo is ever out Havilli starts no doubt- he is excellent back up!

I think Zim’s point is a good one, if Hodgo is out it is a big ask for us to expect big minutes out of Havilli given the minimal time we have been running him lately. I think there is a lot of merit in giving him 60+ minutes for the next few weeks in Mounties to he is more match fit if Hodgo did fall over ahead of finals.

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Post by Billy Walker » August 3, 2019, 7:45 am

dubby wrote:
August 3, 2019, 7:35 am
Ok, this is going to be an interesting few weeks. We play 3 of the best teams in the comp, and you can bet at one of them will win the comp.

It's almost the finals before the finals.

The shark's are somewhat a bogey side for us as well.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this unfolds, to see how we measure up against the big clubs.

Bring it on.

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You’re not wrong Dubby - it’s going to be quite a ride. I feel like we will measure up very well. Probably need to be a little careful we don’t play our finals series too early. No point putting everything into winning the next 5 and going into finals a spent force. I think player management will be key. Apart from the fantastic result last night it was great we could afford to coast in the second half. Don’t need too many high intensity 80 minute ball breakers over the coming months.

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Post by TongueFTW » August 3, 2019, 8:35 am

Whoever plays the “Havili role” off the bench will get around 20 minutes a game. How much better will it be to have someone like Young in that role given you lose the injury cover Havili provides? I don’t think the benefit is worth the risk.

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Post by julian87 » August 3, 2019, 8:41 am

Not picking Havili in the 17 when we already have 3 other running forwards on the bench is for some reason a constant suggestion on this site and tbf it’s a ridiculous one.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Post by zim » August 3, 2019, 8:49 am

There's players in the squad that provide better defence and he's been literally playing as a 4th running forward everytime Hodgo is there.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the pundits have us starting as favs..
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Post by Sid » August 3, 2019, 9:29 am

Not that I’m expecting Leilua back this week, but with a fully fit side I wonder if Raiders will go back to carrying Havilii, Simmonsen and 2 forwards on the bench like they tried the last time Raiders played Roosters. With no injuries Simmonsen could be bought on to play a Papenhuyzen style of role (different players I know)

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Post by julian87 » August 3, 2019, 9:58 am

zim wrote:
August 3, 2019, 8:49 am
There's players in the squad that provide better defence and he's been literally playing as a 4th running forward everytime Hodgo is there.
All the more reason to keep him. You don’t even need a 4th running forward when both second rowers play 80. Sacrificing the hooker coverage for someone who is slightly better as a running forward is absolute madness imo.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Post by Billy Walker » August 3, 2019, 9:58 am

TongueFTW wrote:
August 3, 2019, 8:35 am
Whoever plays the “Havili role” off the bench will get around 20 minutes a game. How much better will it be to have someone like Young in that role given you lose the injury cover Havili provides? I don’t think the benefit is worth the risk.
Why is that? Serious question. With a tough run ahead of finals we need to manage our players. Why can’t all 4 bench forwards get some serious equal minutes over the coming weeks to ease the workload on Papa and a few others.

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Post by Billy Walker » August 3, 2019, 10:00 am

julian87 wrote:
August 3, 2019, 8:41 am
Not picking Havili in the 17 when we already have 3 other running forwards on the bench is for some reason a constant suggestion on this site and tbf it’s a ridiculous one.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see it happen over the coming weeks.

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Post by TongueFTW » August 3, 2019, 10:11 am

Billy Walker wrote:
August 3, 2019, 9:58 am
TongueFTW wrote:
August 3, 2019, 8:35 am
Whoever plays the “Havili role” off the bench will get around 20 minutes a game. How much better will it be to have someone like Young in that role given you lose the injury cover Havili provides? I don’t think the benefit is worth the risk.
Why is that? Serious question. With a tough run ahead of finals we need to manage our players. Why can’t all 4 bench forwards get some serious equal minutes over the coming weeks to ease the workload on Papa and a few others.
It is not needed when you have two 80 minute second rowers. You will have 7 players to split 240 minutes of game time, with a few of the middles (Papa, Tapine, Sutton) capable of playing big minutes. You will get a slightly better middle forward for 20 or so minutes and lose a lot with injury cover. The downside far outweighs the upside, and it is not even close.

If we want to manage the workload, you can the third prop in the rotation more minutes in the middle.

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Post by Billy Walker » August 3, 2019, 10:34 am

TongueFTW wrote:
August 3, 2019, 10:11 am
Billy Walker wrote:
August 3, 2019, 9:58 am
TongueFTW wrote:
August 3, 2019, 8:35 am
Whoever plays the “Havili role” off the bench will get around 20 minutes a game. How much better will it be to have someone like Young in that role given you lose the injury cover Havili provides? I don’t think the benefit is worth the risk.
Why is that? Serious question. With a tough run ahead of finals we need to manage our players. Why can’t all 4 bench forwards get some serious equal minutes over the coming weeks to ease the workload on Papa and a few others.
It is not needed when you have two 80 minute second rowers. You will have 7 players to split 240 minutes of game time, with a few of the middles (Papa, Tapine, Sutton) capable of playing big minutes. You will get a slightly better middle forward for 20 or so minutes and lose a lot with injury cover. The downside far outweighs the upside, and it is not even close.

If we want to manage the workload, you can the third prop in the rotation more minutes in the middle.
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Post by Azza » August 3, 2019, 11:01 am

I think it's great we're playing so many big teams on the run home. We need to embrace that and take the opportunity to step up and develop confidence we can actually beat these teams come the finals. While I don't expect us to win every game I'm feeling confident we're going to come out of this period even better than we were before we came into it. Exciting

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Post by RedRaider » August 3, 2019, 1:23 pm

Billy Walker wrote:
August 3, 2019, 7:37 am
RedRaider wrote:
August 3, 2019, 7:18 am
Include Nic Cotric and leave it at that. We have tried to convert back rowers into hooker before - remember the Tongue experiment. Leave Bateman to do what Bateman does best which is to be a top level back rower. Havili is going just fine at bench backrow/hooker. We have a heap of 'long minute' players in our pack. We have a player who can play hooker at FG level and is a genuine back up for Hodgo. We have just come off two of our best performances of the season and they were only 5 days apart.

Other than for Nic Cotric I would not change the side. Young has had one game back for Mounties and Sutton, as far as I know, is still injured. Sutton would come back through Mounties for match fitness for mine given that the side is performing well. We get a 9 day turn around for the Chooks game. It should be a cracker.
Red i don’t think anyone is suggesting we change a back rower to a hooker as part of any week to week tactical game plan. It’s more about acknowledging that Hodgo knocks out a solid 80 mins at dummy half week in and week out and doesn’t need a bench back up. It would only be in the horror scenario that the tough little bugger got injured that you would get Bateman or someone to slot in to dummy half to complete that game. If Hodgo is ever out Havilli starts no doubt- he is excellent back up!

I think Zim’s point is a good one, if Hodgo is out it is a big ask for us to expect big minutes out of Havilli given the minimal time we have been running him lately. I think there is a lot of merit in giving him 60+ minutes for the next few weeks in Mounties to he is more match fit if Hodgo did fall over ahead of finals.
I wouldn't be dropping players at the back end of the season due to fitness concerns. Like last year when Hodgo was injured, the longer he plays the better he goes. Adrenalin works for him.

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Post by Billy Walker » August 3, 2019, 1:33 pm

I genuinely don’t think Ricky and his team have gotten too many calls wrong this year. I’ll back whatever they go with.

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Post by Hazza » August 3, 2019, 1:52 pm

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August 3, 2019, 11:01 am
I think it's great we're playing so many big teams on the run home. We need to embrace that and take the opportunity to step up and develop confidence we can actually beat these teams come the finals. While I don't expect us to win every game I'm feeling confident we're going to come out of this period even better than we were before we came into it. Exciting
Correct. Far better than having a soft run in. We'll be well and truly battle hardened by the time the semis roll round.

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Post by Mickey_Raider » August 3, 2019, 2:11 pm

This really is what it is all about ladies and gents.

The green machine is humming, big heavyweight clash against the roosters at home in front of a presumably bumper crowd on a Sunday arvo. We are entering the home stretch and it’s all about timing our run for our premiership tilt.

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Post by zim » August 3, 2019, 2:12 pm

julian87 wrote:
August 3, 2019, 9:58 am
zim wrote:
August 3, 2019, 8:49 am
There's players in the squad that provide better defence and he's been literally playing as a 4th running forward everytime Hodgo is there.
All the more reason to keep him. You don’t even need a 4th running forward when both second rowers play 80. Sacrificing the hooker coverage for someone who is slightly better as a running forward is absolute madness imo.
You're covering for something that very likely won't happen vs tangible gains. That is just silly. This isn't a sudden death final or an origin where that 1/1000 chance of hodgo going down in the first 20mins is going to mean we are finished for the year.

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Post by zim » August 3, 2019, 2:16 pm

-PJ- wrote:
August 3, 2019, 9:16 am
Crokers 250th.

Big ocassion, the boys will be up..

I wouldn't be surprised if the pundits have us starting as favs..
Seems like we have a milestone every week!

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Post by Ruben Daley » August 3, 2019, 2:25 pm

zim wrote:
August 3, 2019, 2:12 pm
julian87 wrote:
August 3, 2019, 9:58 am
zim wrote:
August 3, 2019, 8:49 am
There's players in the squad that provide better defence and he's been literally playing as a 4th running forward everytime Hodgo is there.
All the more reason to keep him. You don’t even need a 4th running forward when both second rowers play 80. Sacrificing the hooker coverage for someone who is slightly better as a running forward is absolute madness imo.
You're covering for something that very likely won't happen vs tangible gains. That is just silly. This isn't a sudden death final or an origin where that 1/1000 chance of hodgo going down in the first 20mins is going to mean we are finished for the year.
I’m with Julian on this. I also don’t think Young is as good (yet) as this conversation implies. Havili has created tries and/or try opportunities in both of the last two games from offloads, is a genuine try threat himself and consistently gets post-contact metres. Havili deserves to hold his spot and the benefit of his positional flexibility is a big bonus.

Young can battle it out for the remaining three spots with the other youngsters. He’ll take Guler’s spot some time soon.

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Post by Northern Raider » August 3, 2019, 2:42 pm

Havili stays at 14. Young or Sutton come onto the bench for Guler.
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Re: 2019 Rd 21 V Roosters: Teams and Previews

Post by Azza » August 3, 2019, 3:57 pm

This feels extraordinarily similar to 2016 when we hit the back end of the season and came up against the two comp front runners the Sharks and the Storm in consecutive weeks. Our team is playing a different style of football however.

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Re: 2019 Rd 21 V Roosters: Teams and Previews

Post by raiderskater » August 3, 2019, 4:04 pm

Azza wrote:
August 3, 2019, 3:57 pm
This feels extraordinarily similar to 2016 when we hit the back end of the season and came up against the two comp front runners the Sharks and the Storm in consecutive weeks. Our team is playing a different style of football however.
I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling that way.

Let's hope our next two weeks turn out like those two weeks.
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Re: 2019 Rd 21 V Roosters: Teams and Previews

Post by Azza » August 3, 2019, 4:08 pm

Look I'm not going to get into a twist if we don't win both games. I want to - but I'd be pleased with 1 out of the 2. If we are going to lose, I'd rather get the losses out of the way now than later in the season :D

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Re: 2019 Rd 21 V Roosters: Teams and Previews

Post by Sid » August 3, 2019, 4:34 pm

Manly remain hot on the heels for a top 4 berth. The games against Roosters and Sea Eagles in particular are crucial
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