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PigRickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:25 pm This thread's progression

Everyone: Sezer moving on, that's good. We need to move him on, hopefully for a little freight as possible
Some: If we move Sezer on, we should sign Sam back for 300k+
Others: That's insane money for a back up half given our cap situation.
Some: That's what he's worth
Others: Then we've got to look at other options, if we can get Sam at the right price great but lets not overpay.

Nobody:

Absolutely Nobody:

Not a single soul:


askaskja: Aiden Sezer is so ****, look at the Sezer-ites trying to say Sezer needs to stay and hating on the great Sam Williams!
No, that's not what anyone has said.

What they've said it that he wouldn't be on minimum wage and shouldn't be expected to, not now and not for a new contract.

By all means, if the club can get him on that - great. Brilliant. But this notion that the club should only be signing him on minimum wage, far less than what would generally be accepted as the going rate, or discard him otherwise is absolute **** preposterous.
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We're even delivering more in the off-season this year. Keep it up guys.
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afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:30 pm
PigRickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:25 pm This thread's progression

Everyone: Sezer moving on, that's good. We need to move him on, hopefully for a little freight as possible
Some: If we move Sezer on, we should sign Sam back for 300k+
Others: That's insane money for a back up half given our cap situation.
Some: That's what he's worth
Others: Then we've got to look at other options, if we can get Sam at the right price great but lets not overpay.

Nobody:

Absolutely Nobody:

Not a single soul:


askaskja: Aiden Sezer is so ****, look at the Sezer-ites trying to say Sezer needs to stay and hating on the great Sam Williams!
No, that's not what anyone has said.

What they've said it that he wouldn't be on minimum wage and shouldn't be expected to, not now and not for a new contract.

By all means, if the club can get him on that - great. Brilliant. But this notion that the club should only be signing him on minimum wage, far less than what would generally be accepted as the going rate, or discard him otherwise is absolute **** preposterous.
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I particular enjoy the piss weak rebuke of the claims that we've greatly improved our team defence structure and now defend as a unit rather than individuals, insinuating that the improvement is somehow down to Aidan Sezer. The same guy that played in the **** house defence structures of 2017 and 2018 :lol:

Simply classic, classic stuff by the clique. Bravo, they've outdone themselves - truly one of their absolute best and most delusional.
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afgtnk wrote:I particular enjoy the piss weak rebuke of the claims that we've greatly improve our team defence structure and now defend as a unit rather than individuals, insinuating that the improvement is somehow down to Aidan Sezer. The same guy that played in the **** house defence structures of 2017 and 2018 :lol:

Simply classic, classic stuff by the clique. Bravo, they've outdone themselves - truly one of their absolute best and most delusional.
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afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:19 pm And that defense was done as a team, not because of any individual, and sure as hell not because of Aidan Sezer. We by our own admission spent roughly 85% of the pre-season working on defence alone.

This team still has its individual weaknesses, that doesn't change. It's the structure and unit we've built that overcomes any of those deficiencies, as it does for any of the top teams who have worked just as hard on their defence. That way, the individual has little bearing.

The other part of it is Sam Williams has never, ever been as bad in defence as you've tried to consistenly make out :lol:
simo wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:24 pm
afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:19 pm And that defense was done as a team, not because of any individual, and sure as hell not because of Aidan Sezer. We by our own admission spent roughly 85% of the pre-season working on defence alone.

This team still has its individual weaknesses, that doesn't change. It's the structure and unit we've built that overcomes any of those deficiencies, as it does for any of the top teams who have worked just as hard on their defence. That way, the individual has little bearing.

The other part of it is Sam Williams has never, ever been as bad in defence as you've tried to consistenly make out :lol:
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The Rickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:24 pm Boy, this is getting embarrassing now.
You just hate to see it. It's Konrad Hurrell trampling over Jarrod Croker for the fourth time in the game at this stage and people still claiming he's the best young centre in the game.
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You know if Croker was in his natural position on the wing he would never have been trampled by Koni.
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zim wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:46 pm You know if Croker was in his natural position on the wing he would never have been trampled by Koni.
:lol:

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afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:30 pm
PigRickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:25 pm Some: If we move Sezer on, we should sign Sam back for 300k+
Others: That's insane money for a back up half given our cap situation.
No, that's not what anyone has said.
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Seiffert82 wrote: October 9, 2019, 5:18 pm I'd be very happy to keep someone of Sam's calibre as a backup half on around $300-350 k, which is about 3-4% of the salary cap.

*next post*

Spending $300k on an experienced backup halfback is a bargain.
Old School Green wrote: October 9, 2019, 8:05 pm Anyone saying a backup half isn’t worth 300k is surely having a laugh??
Fact is, he’s one medial, syndesmosis or origin series away from being an NRL starting half for a good swathe of time.
With his experience and commitment to the club, we should be super thankful to have someone of that calibre who ‘gets it’ and doesn’t harbour visions of grandeur and being a first choice elsewhere and commits to playing a very important role in this team.
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afgtnk wrote: October 9, 2019, 8:07 pm Agree that $300k is nothing now. This is for a position that bares the brunt of responsibility and criticism for our performances, for a guy who's played ~100 FG games.

People advocating that Sam Williams being signed for 300k+ a year is exactly what prompted this debate, including your own contribution! :lol:
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We should not be paying a back up half 300k a year with the position we are reportedly are at with our cap, and that we're at risk of losing someone as important as Beej. Not to Aiden Sezer, not to Sam Williams, not to anyone.
We are simply not a position to sacrifice important cogs to this team in order to keep an over priced, sentimental back up half

If we can move Sezer off to another club for minimal or not freight and Sam is willing to stay at a price that allows us to retain Jordy, beej and upgrade Bateman, by all means lets do that. Otherwise, we'll find someone else to fill Sam's role for a price that allows us to best do that
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afgtnk wrote:
afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:19 pm And that defense was done as a team, not because of any individual, and sure as hell not because of Aidan Sezer. We by our own admission spent roughly 85% of the pre-season working on defence alone.

This team still has its individual weaknesses, that doesn't change. It's the structure and unit we've built that overcomes any of those deficiencies, as it does for any of the top teams who have worked just as hard on their defence. That way, the individual has little bearing.

The other part of it is Sam Williams has never, ever been as bad in defence as you've tried to consistenly make out :lol:
simo wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:24 pm
afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:19 pm And that defense was done as a team, not because of any individual, and sure as hell not because of Aidan Sezer. We by our own admission spent roughly 85% of the pre-season working on defence alone.

This team still has its individual weaknesses, that doesn't change. It's the structure and unit we've built that overcomes any of those deficiencies, as it does for any of the top teams who have worked just as hard on their defence. That way, the individual has little bearing.

The other part of it is Sam Williams has never, ever been as bad in defence as you've tried to consistenly make out :lol:
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The Rickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:24 pm Boy, this is getting embarrassing now.
You just hate to see it. It's Konrad Hurrell trampling over Jarrod Croker for the fourth time in the game at this stage and people still claiming he's the best young centre in the game.
Strawman after strawman here! Amazing scenes!!
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afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 11:46 am Thankfully you have nothing to do with running the club whatsoever.
Why are you dying on the hill of Sam Williams needing to be paid $300k ?
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Beejay wrote:
afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 11:46 am Thankfully you have nothing to do with running the club whatsoever.
Why are you dying on the hill of Sam Williams needing to be paid $300k ?
It think it’s because Aidan Sezer is leaving and afhhfjtkktngk’s flame is dying out as he’ll no longer have anybody to tie all of his arguments back to and constantly **** all over.

It’s the same reason Rodman left pretty much at the same time as Josh McCrone, he basically lost his entire forum identity.

All were seeing here is a desperate, drowning man gasping for his last breath before slowly sinking below the waves.
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PigRickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 1:53 pm We should not be paying a back up half 300k a year with the position we are reportedly are at with our cap, and that we're at risk of losing someone as important as Beej. Not to Aiden Sezer, not to Sam Williams, not to anyone.
We are simply not a position to sacrifice important cogs to this team in order to keep an over priced, sentimental back up half

If we can move Sezer off to another club for minimal or not freight and Sam is willing to stay at a price that allows us to retain Jordy, beej and upgrade Bateman, by all means lets do that. Otherwise, we'll find someone else to fill Sam's role for a price that allows us to best do that
Yeah, I just think your underlying, long standing issues with Sam Williams (which really have never made sense, btw) keep coming to the fore and are taking away from any true opinion you may hold on whether or not the squad warrants a quality back up halfback.

If in fact you truly do hold that view it's definitely something up for debate, my position is that we need a a quality half to cover us. Whether it's Sam Williams or not doesn't matter, so long as the guy can slot into the 6 or 7 comfortably at any given time. To me it can't just be some kid you've grabbed from Jersey Flegg, that's taking way too much of a risk.

Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and I feel that's the way the club would be seeing it as well - we're going to have a decent back up half. The price to get it done you would assume are market rates, what that exact rate is we don't know, but I can sure as hell say that's not near or on minimum wage.
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The Rickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:03 pm
Beejay wrote:
afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 11:46 am Thankfully you have nothing to do with running the club whatsoever.
Why are you dying on the hill of Sam Williams needing to be paid $300k ?
It think it’s because Aidan Sezer is leaving and afhhfjtkktngk’s flame is dying out as he’ll no longer have anybody to tie all of his arguments back to and constantly **** all over.

It’s the same reason Rodman left pretty much at the same time as Josh McCrone, he basically lost his entire forum identity.

All were seeing here is a desperate, drowning man gasping for his last breath before slowly sinking below the waves.
This is lol 😂

But in reality our backup half next year is gonna need to play probably 3 ish games minimum, given Jack’s origin duty and probs not backing him up for every game.
Add an injury to him or Gwilly and suddenly Swilly becomes a starting half in a team where potentially 10+ competition points are on the line. Do we really want a player of the $100k a year ilk (ie a Nuffie or a kid fresh out of Flegg school) under that pressure ?? Not I.
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Sezer and McCrone are both **** though, lets not gloss over that fact.

Anyway, best of luck to Aiden. I've gone all out on George Williams being a stud, so hopefully it doesn't turn out like those that fawned over Sezer's arrival.
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Old School Green wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:20 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:03 pm
Beejay wrote:
afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 11:46 am Thankfully you have nothing to do with running the club whatsoever.
Why are you dying on the hill of Sam Williams needing to be paid $300k ?
It think it’s because Aidan Sezer is leaving and afhhfjtkktngk’s flame is dying out as he’ll no longer have anybody to tie all of his arguments back to and constantly **** all over.

It’s the same reason Rodman left pretty much at the same time as Josh McCrone, he basically lost his entire forum identity.

All were seeing here is a desperate, drowning man gasping for his last breath before slowly sinking below the waves.
This is lol 😂

But in reality our backup half next year is gonna need to play probably 3 ish games minimum, given Jack’s origin duty and probs not backing him up for every game.
Add an injury to him or Gwilly and suddenly Swilly becomes a starting half in a team where potentially 10+ competition points are on the line. Do we really want a player of the $100k a year ilk (ie a Nuffie or a kid fresh out of Flegg school) under that pressure ?? Not I.
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I think that eventuality has already been covered at length in this thread. Just read back a little.
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Old School Green wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:20 pm
But in reality our backup half next year is gonna need to play probably 3 ish games minimum, given Jack’s origin duty and probs not backing him up for every game.
Add an injury to him or Gwilly and suddenly Swilly becomes a starting half in a team where potentially 10+ competition points are on the line. Do we really want a player of the $100k a year ilk (ie a Nuffie or a kid fresh out of Flegg school) under that pressure ?? Not I.
#AllTheWayWith300k
No you want a player capable of being a $3-400k type player, that you are only paying circa $150k for.

Hard to do, but that's why the best clubs keep talent.
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Beejay wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:23 pm Sezer and McCrone are both **** though, lets not gloss over that fact.

Anyway, best of luck to Aiden. I've gone all out on George Williams being a stud, so hopefully it doesn't turn out like those that fawned over Sezer's arrival.
Look, I'll admit I loved both players, but there's a MASSIVE difference in quality between Aidan Sezer and Josh **** McCrone.

Aidan Sezer was always nowhere NEAR as bad as many on here have made him out to be, and he proved that this year. George Williams looks to be another level again though, and I think most of us welcome that upgrade to our squad in a position we've traditionally struggled with for the last twenty years, but Sezer has absolutely shown over the last few months that he'll be a very handy pickup for a club that needs a good first grade level half.
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afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:15 pm Yeah, I just think your underlying, long standing issues with Sam Williams (which really have never made sense, btw) keep coming to the fore and are taking away from any true opinion you may hold on whether or not the squad warrants a quality back up halfback.

If in fact you truly do hold that view it's definitely something up for debate, my position is that we need a a quality half to cover us. Whether it's Sam Williams or not doesn't matter, so long as the guy can slot into the 6 or 7 comfortably at any given time. To me it can't just be some kid you've grabbed from Jersey Flegg, that's taking way too much of a risk.

Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and I feel that's the way the club would be seeing it as well - we're going to have a decent back up half. The price to get it done you would assume are market rates, what that exact rate is we don't know, but I can sure as hell say that's not near or on minimum wage.

Again, it has nothing to do with Williams, Sezer or anyone. It's cap management.

I dont know what long standing issue you are referring to... my only long standing issue with Sam Williams is some elements of the the fan base seem to believe he's an NRL standard half when the game footage says otherwise, and that he's a defensive liability, which the game footage supports.

I have no issues with him at all, and if he comes at the right price, then im thrilled to have him in the squad... The reason his debate has gotten to the point that it has is not because of some issue i have with Williams, but rather your issues with Sezer and your love affair with Williams. Bizarre stuff.

We are facing a situation where Rapana is talking about playing Rugby to make up the difference to stay here because we can afford to pay him what he's on. We are rumoured to be letting Beej walk out the door, he's a vital part of what we've achieved, he provides an x-factor we need... CNK's extension can't kick in until 2021 because we were not in a position to upgrade him for 2020, John Bateman wants a new deal and is so **** good that he's one of those few players who has the leverage to force his way out if we dont pay him his worth.

And i just dont see how any reasonable person can say paying a back up half 300k is a good use of our cap money under these circumstance
Given these circumstances, i am moving heaven and earth to pay Bateman, to keep Beej, to keep Rapana if i can, to upgrade CNK if i can for 2020, to ensure there is enough turnover in the squad to hold off a repeat of 2017 (and many coaches have spoken about the need for roster churn, to keep things fresh, Bellemy and Robinson are both on record with it's importance), and then, and only then am i going to worry about the back up half.

300k for a back up half in these circumstances would be a very **** dumb decision. Especially if it means we lose someone who can actually help us win a title
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PigRickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:34 pm
afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:15 pm Yeah, I just think your underlying, long standing issues with Sam Williams (which really have never made sense, btw) keep coming to the fore and are taking away from any true opinion you may hold on whether or not the squad warrants a quality back up halfback.

If in fact you truly do hold that view it's definitely something up for debate, my position is that we need a a quality half to cover us. Whether it's Sam Williams or not doesn't matter, so long as the guy can slot into the 6 or 7 comfortably at any given time. To me it can't just be some kid you've grabbed from Jersey Flegg, that's taking way too much of a risk.

Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and I feel that's the way the club would be seeing it as well - we're going to have a decent back up half. The price to get it done you would assume are market rates, what that exact rate is we don't know, but I can sure as hell say that's not near or on minimum wage.

Again, it has nothing to do with Williams, Sezer or anyone. It's cap management.

I dont know what long standing issue you are referring to... my only long standing issue with Sam Williams is some elements of the the fan base seem to believe he's an NRL standard half when the game footage says otherwise, and that he's a defensive liability, which the game footage supports.

I have no issues with him at all, and if he comes at the right price, then im thrilled to have him in the squad... The reason his debate has gotten to the point that it has is not because of some issue i have with Williams, but rather your issues with Sezer and your love affair with Williams. Bizarre stuff.

We are facing a situation where Rapana is talking about playing Rugby to make up the difference to stay here because we can afford to pay him what he's on. We are rumoured to be letting Beej walk out the door, he's a vital part of what we've achieved, he provides an x-factor we need... CNK's extension can't kick in until 2021 because we were not in a position to upgrade him for 2020, John Bateman wants a new deal and is so **** good that he's one of those few players who has the leverage to force his way out if we dont pay him his worth.

And i just dont see how any reasonable person can say paying a back up half 300k is a good use of our cap money under these circumstance
Given these circumstances, i am moving heaven and earth to pay Bateman, to keep Beej, to keep Rapana if i can, to upgrade CNK if i can for 2020, to ensure there is enough turnover in the squad to hold off a repeat of 2017 (and many coaches have spoken about the need for roster churn, to keep things fresh, Bellemy and Robinson are both on record with it's importance), and then, and only then am i going to worry about the back up half.
Bah, you just have a problem with Williams, that's all. It's pretty obvious.
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The Rickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:28 pm
Beejay wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:23 pm Sezer and McCrone are both **** though, lets not gloss over that fact.

Anyway, best of luck to Aiden. I've gone all out on George Williams being a stud, so hopefully it doesn't turn out like those that fawned over Sezer's arrival.
Look, I'll admit I loved both players, but there's a MASSIVE difference in quality between Aidan Sezer and Josh **** McCrone.

Aidan Sezer was always nowhere NEAR as bad as many on here have made him out to be, and he proved that this year. George Williams looks to be another level again though, and I think most of us welcome that upgrade to our squad in a position we've traditionally struggled with for the last twenty years, but Sezer has absolutely shown over the last few months that he'll be a very handy pickup for a club that needs a good first grade level half.
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PigRickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:34 pm
afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:15 pm Yeah, I just think your underlying, long standing issues with Sam Williams (which really have never made sense, btw) keep coming to the fore and are taking away from any true opinion you may hold on whether or not the squad warrants a quality back up halfback.

If in fact you truly do hold that view it's definitely something up for debate, my position is that we need a a quality half to cover us. Whether it's Sam Williams or not doesn't matter, so long as the guy can slot into the 6 or 7 comfortably at any given time. To me it can't just be some kid you've grabbed from Jersey Flegg, that's taking way too much of a risk.

Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and I feel that's the way the club would be seeing it as well - we're going to have a decent back up half. The price to get it done you would assume are market rates, what that exact rate is we don't know, but I can sure as hell say that's not near or on minimum wage.

Again, it has nothing to do with Williams, Sezer or anyone. It's cap management.

I dont know what long standing issue you are referring to... my only long standing issue with Sam Williams is some elements of the the fan base seem to believe he's an NRL standard half when the game footage says otherwise, and that he's a defensive liability, which the game footage supports.

I have no issues with him at all, and if he comes at the right price, then im thrilled to have him in the squad... The reason his debate has gotten to the point that it has is not because of some issue i have with Williams, but rather your issues with Sezer and your love affair with Williams. Bizarre stuff.

We are facing a situation where Rapana is talking about playing Rugby to make up the difference to stay here because we can afford to pay him what he's on. We are rumoured to be letting Beej walk out the door, he's a vital part of what we've achieved, he provides an x-factor we need... CNK's extension can't kick in until 2021 because we were not in a position to upgrade him for 2020, John Bateman wants a new deal and is so **** good that he's one of those few players who has the leverage to force his way out if we dont pay him his worth.

And i just dont see how any reasonable person can say paying a back up half 300k is a good use of our cap money under these circumstance
Given these circumstances, i am moving heaven and earth to pay Bateman, to keep Beej, to keep Rapana if i can, to upgrade CNK if i can for 2020, to ensure there is enough turnover in the squad to hold off a repeat of 2017 (and many coaches have spoken about the need for roster churn, to keep things fresh, Bellemy and Robinson are both on record with it's importance), and then, and only then am i going to worry about the back up half.

300k for a back up half in these circumstances would be a very **** dumb decision. Especially if it means we lose someone who can actually help us win a title
You're making links to him being signed, the salary he'd be on, and how that'd supposedly hurt our chances of keeping others, all under the assumption that you know our cap situation. You don't. Other people are only speculating what a half like that would go for, but not what effect that could have on the team. Unless you work for the club on the salary cap, none of us know that. Logically, unless he's on stupid money (talking $500k+), the difference between signing him or signing another another back up half is going to be almost negligible under the cap - maybe only around 100k.

If you or anyone else think we can get away signing a back up half on minimum wage, when we've got the likes of L Bateman, Porter, Kris, Murchie et al. on the roster, you're having a laugh.
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I think you're wrong and pretty much everyone else does too.
Really I think your delusional if you think it's reasonable to pay a back up similar money to what starting halves at other clubs would be getting.
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Pretty much everyone else does :lol:

Yep, like all the other people who said basically exactly the same thing.

Name me one starting NRL halfback on $300k. Go.
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Beejay wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:47 pm
The Rickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:28 pm
Beejay wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:23 pm Sezer and McCrone are both **** though, lets not gloss over that fact.

Anyway, best of luck to Aiden. I've gone all out on George Williams being a stud, so hopefully it doesn't turn out like those that fawned over Sezer's arrival.
Look, I'll admit I loved both players, but there's a MASSIVE difference in quality between Aidan Sezer and Josh **** McCrone.

Aidan Sezer was always nowhere NEAR as bad as many on here have made him out to be, and he proved that this year. George Williams looks to be another level again though, and I think most of us welcome that upgrade to our squad in a position we've traditionally struggled with for the last twenty years, but Sezer has absolutely shown over the last few months that he'll be a very handy pickup for a club that needs a good first grade level half.
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im pretty sure the current raiders side would be an easy sell to a young half wanting to get a crack at first grade.
they get:- a chance to train with a squad good enough to make the 2019 gf, filled with internationals
-an opening in the first grade side when jacks playing origin to set there sights on,
-get to be coached by ricky stuart, one of the best halves to have played the game (yes, we feel he cant train halves but im not sure thats a comp wide opinion of him)
if im a young half at a club like parra, sharks, souths, brisbane, titans, bulldogs or wests im definitely interested in a min wage chance
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afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:48 pm You're making links to him being signed, the salary he'd be on, and how that'd supposedly hurt our chances of keeping others, all under the assumption that you know our cap situation. You don't. Other people are only speculating what a half like that would go for, but not what effect that could have on the team. Unless you work for the club on the salary cap, none of us know that. Logically, unless he's on stupid money (talking $500k+), the difference between signing him or signing another another back up half is going to be almost negligible under the cap - maybe only around 100k.

If you or anyone else think we can get away signing a back up half on minimum wage, when we've got the likes of L Bateman, Porter, Kris, Murchie et al. on the roster, you're having a laugh.
Im not making those links to his salary, people here, including you have said, as per quotes provided above, they'd be happy to pay the guy 300k a year
Im making the case that given our current cap climate, as it has been reported, paying Sam Williams 300k would not be a sound use of cap money... this is not a guy who has a ton of options, and i dont believe for one second we wouldnt be able to find a reasonable back up to play the role we need for them for less than that, or even we could even sign Williams for considerably less than the figures throw out here given the lack of leverage he's got.

We need to be penny pinching on roles like the back up half, so that you can keep guys who actually matter to the football team.
As many have said, the roosters back up halves this year were probably on less than that combined. The storm just let their back up halves go once they start asking for too much money.

This is how clubs sustain success. They dont do it by paying good money to experienced back up halves.
Dumb clubs pay good money for players they hope they'll never use.
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Who do we think has the most expensive backup half in the comp?
I'm talking legitimate backup. Not a signing that turned into a mistake like Josh Reynolds.

I thought maybe Melbourne with Brodie Croft but it seems he might be moving on. Probably good cap management.
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the Storm and roosters do the same thing
They have low paid, young halves, who when they need them, bring them in, they play a very specific and clear role, and the team asks the stars around them to step up and fill the void

This squad is now at that point. Assuming George is a stud, we have Wighton and George and that’s our halves, and when one of them is out, the other three spine members and guys like Bateman, Papalii and Croker, Cotric etc need to stand up and help the kid

We should not be paying the for an experienced back up half to the tune of 300k+
If you can get one for 150-180k, wonderful. But if you can’t, go with the kids and spent the money helping to retain the others
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PigRickman wrote: October 10, 2019, 3:03 pm
afgtnk wrote: October 10, 2019, 2:48 pm You're making links to him being signed, the salary he'd be on, and how that'd supposedly hurt our chances of keeping others, all under the assumption that you know our cap situation. You don't. Other people are only speculating what a half like that would go for, but not what effect that could have on the team. Unless you work for the club on the salary cap, none of us know that. Logically, unless he's on stupid money (talking $500k+), the difference between signing him or signing another another back up half is going to be almost negligible under the cap - maybe only around 100k.

If you or anyone else think we can get away signing a back up half on minimum wage, when we've got the likes of L Bateman, Porter, Kris, Murchie et al. on the roster, you're having a laugh.
Im not making those links to his salary, people here, including you have said, as per quotes provided above, they'd be happy to pay the guy 300k a year
Im making the case that given our current cap climate, as it has been reported, paying Sam Williams 300k would not be a sound use of cap money... this is not a guy who has a ton of options, and i dont believe for one second we wouldnt be able to find a reasonable back up to play the role we need for them for less than that, or even we could even sign Williams for considerably less than the figures throw out here given the lack of leverage he's got.

We need to be penny pinching on roles like the back up half, so that you can keep guys who actually matter to the football team.
As many have said, the roosters back up halves this year were probably on less than that combined. The storm just let their back up halves go once they start asking for too much money.

This is how clubs sustain success. They dont do it by paying good money to experienced back up halves.
Dumb clubs pay good money for players they hope they'll never use.
That's an estimate based on a number of factors, such as what he may be on now, what others are going for, experience and ability, what the cap is at, and how many others we may have already at close to or on minimum wage (hint: it'd be mostly forwards).

Meanwhile, all I'm seeing on the opposite is a ~$150k figure based on not much more than we don't rate Sam Williams. There is nothing built into that figure, there seems to be no adjustment made for the inflation of the current cap, which is seemingly why some turnips think starting halfbacks elsewhere are on $300k.

As for penny pinching on halves, I'll disagree fundamentally on that one. You have only one, maybe two back ups in the squad covering one of the most important and difficult positions in the game, which is why they attract premiums. Only a few players in the squad can be trusted to play there and playing a guy who's never played there could be incredibly damaging to your side and its chances, should one of the front liners go down. Meanwhile, you've got a mountain of forwards and a number of backs that you can shoehorn into different positions.

Sorry, but for me I ain't taking that kinda risk there and I doubt the club will going into the new season - spend a bit more money to make sure you're covered. No matter who you sign as a back up half, I will tell you one thing - if they have even the slightest shred of quality in them, they will not be going for minimum wage. If we need to shed, do it where we've got plenty of cover already and can afford it.
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This has been covered ad nauseum, but if Wighton or Williams of the George variety go down with a serious injury next year we're screwed, and having Sam Williams around on 300k a year ain't going to fix that. Same as if we'd lost Sezer this year a month out from the finals I can almost guarantee we don't play in the big dance.
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$180,000pa is great money in the real world.

****, $105,000pa is great money for most people.

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We'll be fine and Sezer didn't do **** this year that he hasn't done in other years. He's a water carrier, a link man and not much more. Other fans see right through him and we're even currently in a thread about him going to **** Huddersfield.

Here's a little look at his numbers on average, relative to his fellow regular halfbacks whilst playing in a team who made the GF

12th in Try Assists
13th in Total Try Involvements
10th in Line Breaks
15th in Line Break Assists
12th in Forced Drop Outs
6th in Run Metres
9th in Tackle Busts
4th least errors
8th in Missed Tackles
16th in Number of tackles made
10th in Tackle Efficiency
15th in 1 on 1 tackles
14th in Kicks

Courtesy of https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... n=halfback

Cue the blah blah blah disregarding the stats because it doesn't fit the narrative, but if I put him side by side with Sam this year, Sam comes out on top in the majority of metrics. Yep, that very guy you're saying should be on $150k.

So, don't try and pretend like Aidan Sezer made some massive contribution to this side when he was only but a mere cog in the wheel
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So do you think we still would've made the grand final with Sam Williams in the 7 all season, affhkrtjkr4thkjlrthlkj??
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