2019 Rd 19 V Panthers: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

[Northern Raider]

Seb Kris named as a reserve. At this stage I'd prefer him at centre ahead of Oldy. Reverse that of we need a winger.

[Northern Raider]

Kikau is unlucky to be facing 2 weeks for that.

Agree, not much in that at all. The hit was late and he got binned for the lateness which is what the refs have been cracking down on. As you say, it must only barely have qualified as a shoulder charge. Shouldn't be rubbed out for that.

Mark me down for this too. As much as I'd like to see Kikau missing I don't want players suspended for what he did. Penalty and sin bin enough punishment.

[Neeeegz]

Kudos to Brent Naden too, he's been an absolute revelation for them. Was in the Mounties system for a while if I'm not mistaken. Big, fast, skillful kid.

Kinda feel for Lui, had probably his best game of the season and got dropped to the bench lol. But Sia definitely deserves to start based off his energy in the last 2 games.

Naden was one of our under 20s in the last year of toyota cup I'm pretty sure, good to see him step up, I always like seeing our juniors step up

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[Botman]

Kikau is unlucky to be facing 2 weeks for that.

Agree, not much in that at all. The hit was late and he got binned for the lateness which is what the refs have been cracking down on. As you say, it must only barely have qualified as a shoulder charge. Shouldn't be rubbed out for that.

Mark me down for this too. As much as I'd like to see Kikau missing I don't want players suspended for what he did. Penalty and sin bin enough punishment.

It was barely a penalty, absolutely not a sin bin, should not have been cited and has no business being charged or suspended

All that being said, the judicary needs to send a message and deliver a week suspension and only a week for his henious act.

[Neeeegz]

Both Soliola and Lui had arguably their best game of the season. One ran for 147m, the other made 68m and was 10% less effective in defense. Depending on how you want to balance your side it's a pretty straight forward decision this week.

Lui does a lot of hard work and I think should start, sia is great to start also, but for balance on the bench I would pick sia, and when he comes on around 20-25 minutes in, lead the line speed, run hard. Inspire the boys, papa has helped off the bench, very important these days in my opinion, but starts this game.

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[Brewdle]

Well then the judiciary has given him a two week holiday


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[Neeeegz]

Kikau is unlucky to be facing 2 weeks for that.

Agree, not much in that at all. The hit was late and he got binned for the lateness which is what the refs have been cracking down on. As you say, it must only barely have qualified as a shoulder charge. Shouldn't be rubbed out for that.

Mark me down for this too. As much as I'd like to see Kikau missing I don't want players suspended for what he did. Penalty and sin bin enough punishment.

It was barely a penalty, absolutely not a sin bin, should not have been cited and has no business being charged or suspended

All that being said, the judicary needs to send a message and deliver a week suspension and only a week for his henious act.

I dislike agreeing with you, but here I am. True. Hardly a penalty I'd say, I've seen that happen more times than I can count and nothing happens

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[greeneyed]

Kikau banned for two matches

Panthers back-rower Viliame Kikau will not play before his hometown crowd when they face the red-hot Raiders at Penrith Stadium on Sunday after being found guilty of a grade one shoulder charge at Tuesday night's judiciary hearing.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/07/19/rou ... acing-ban/

[Botman]

Boom. Ill take it.

[greeneyed]

Boom. Ill take it.

I'm happy with that too.

[Lucky]

No kickcow...our chances of winning just increased dramatically.

[Billy Walker]

Boom. Ill take it.

Yeah no tears from me. Would have loved to toweled them up with Kikau in the team with Bateman running over him all day but so be it!

[Northern Raider]

Well then the judiciary has given him a two week holiday


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Happy for us. Unhappy for rugby league.

[Botman]

This point was made by a poster over at LU, and with the caveat that is more complicated than this, but the NRL MRC and Judicary system has Kikau sitting 2 weeks for his tackle and Cotric 3 weeks for his.
Feels like a system that throws up that result might need a rethink.

[Dimes]

That judiciary decision re: Kikau is a farce

Barely a penalty

[Neeeegz]

No kickcow...our chances of winning just increased dramatically.

That's a 2017/18 mentality and we don't do that this year ok... cheers

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[Neeeegz]

This point was made by a poster over at LU, and with the caveat that is more complicated than this, but the NRL MRC and Judicary system has Kikau sitting 2 weeks for his tackle and Cotric 3 weeks for his.
Feels like a system that throws up that result might need a rethink.

Stop posting stuff I agree with !!

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[Botman]

This point was made by a poster over at LU, and with the caveat that is more complicated than this, but the NRL MRC and Judicary system has Kikau sitting 2 weeks for his tackle and Cotric 3 weeks for his.
Feels like a system that throws up that result might need a rethink.

Stop posting stuff I agree with !!

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I really like reality TV. The trashy ****.
Honestly. I love it

That'll sort this problem out Neeegz

[Finchy]

Was it a penalty? No. Was it worthy of a sin bin? No. Was it worthy of being cited by the MRC? No. Was it worthy of a suspension? Hell no. Am I happy he's not playing against us this weekend? Absolutely.

[Horace Dove-Edwin]

Kind of makes up for the bad suspensions we've copped. And suspensions for other teams AFTER they've played us.

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[Northern Raider]

Kikau got 2 weeks for something that was barely a penalty. Fifita gets 1 week for a blatant shoulder charge on a player off the ball. Total farce.

[-PJ-]

This decision makes John Bateman sad...

[Green Blogger]

This point was made by a poster over at LU, and with the caveat that is more complicated than this, but the NRL MRC and Judicary system has Kikau sitting 2 weeks for his tackle and Cotric 3 weeks for his.
Feels like a system that throws up that result might need a rethink.

Whilst I don't agree with the outcome and don't think Kikau's hit deserved the penalty, 2 v 3 weeks is not an accurate comparison. Cotric got 5 weeks, chose not to contest it, and got discounts. Kikau chose to contest his 2 weeks, passing up the discounts on the table and got 2 weeks.

[julian87]

I’m in the minority that thinks it was a shoulder charge.

[greeneyed]

This point was made by a poster over at LU, and with the caveat that is more complicated than this, but the NRL MRC and Judicary system has Kikau sitting 2 weeks for his tackle and Cotric 3 weeks for his.
Feels like a system that throws up that result might need a rethink.

And what was probably a worse incident from Fifita on the weekend got one week, as he didn't challenge.

I've been saying for ages that the discounts and loadings system is leading to unjust outcomes. Time for an overhaul. I really think every player charged should have their day in front of the judiciary. We need some respected actual ex judges in the judiciary, not the weak lily-livered judiciary full of ex players we have now. The MRC needs to justify their charges in front of them. The MRC is horribly inconsistent. We need some people who actually will hold the MRC to account and the players who are doing the wrong thing to account. We need a judiciary that produces some consistency.

[Botman]

This point was made by a poster over at LU, and with the caveat that is more complicated than this, but the NRL MRC and Judicary system has Kikau sitting 2 weeks for his tackle and Cotric 3 weeks for his.
Feels like a system that throws up that result might need a rethink.

Whilst I don't agree with the outcome and don't think Kikau's hit deserved the penalty, 2 v 3 weeks is not an accurate comparison. Cotric got 5 weeks, chose not to contest it, and got discounts. Kikau chose to contest his 2 weeks, passing up the discounts on the table and got 2 weeks.

Of course, and that's the caveat mentioned at the top of the post i referenced and the one you quoted.
Still, it's very hard to sit here and look at both tackles and say the end result was fair or just. The system is broken.

[Botman]

This point was made by a poster over at LU, and with the caveat that is more complicated than this, but the NRL MRC and Judicary system has Kikau sitting 2 weeks for his tackle and Cotric 3 weeks for his.
Feels like a system that throws up that result might need a rethink.

And what was probably a worse incident from Fifita on the weekend got one week, as he didn't challenge.

I've been saying for ages that the discounts and loadings system is leading to unjust outcomes. Time for an overhaul. I really think every player charged should have their day in front of the judiciary. We need some respected actual ex judges in the judiciary, not the weak lily-livered judiciary full of ex players we have now. The MRC needs to justify their charges in front of them. The MRC is horribly inconsistent. We need some people who actually will hold the MRC to account and the players who are doing the wrong thing to account. We need a judiciary that produces some consistency.

Yep, i totally agree. It's totally broken.

[zim]

Both Soliola and Lui had arguably their best game of the season. One ran for 147m, the other made 68m and was 10% less effective in defense. Depending on how you want to balance your side it's a pretty straight forward decision this week.

Lui does a lot of hard work and I think should start, sia is great to start also, but for balance on the bench I would pick sia, and when he comes on around 20-25 minutes in, lead the line speed, run hard. Inspire the boys, papa has helped off the bench, very important these days in my opinion, but starts this game.

Yeah Papa has been great. My preference on balance is to start my 2 best props but I realize I'm in the minority from what I've seen on the site. Most prefer that 2nd prop on the bench for the extra punch and confidence for the bench guys to feed off, and the guy that can do a job to start alongside papa.

We'll be in a good position next year where I don't think it'll matter as much. Our bench will be stronger with the kids having more experience and another preseason under their belts.

[Lui_Bon]

This point was made by a poster over at LU, and with the caveat that is more complicated than this, but the NRL MRC and Judicary system has Kikau sitting 2 weeks for his tackle and Cotric 3 weeks for his.
Feels like a system that throws up that result might need a rethink.

Stop posting stuff I agree with !!

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I really like reality TV. The trashy ****.
Honestly. I love it

That'll sort this problem out Neeegz

Isn't that footy?

[gerg]

Kikau got 2 weeks for something that was barely a penalty. Fifita gets 1 week for a blatant shoulder charge on a player off the ball. Total farce.

Greenberg is on the record as saying Consistency in the NRL is overrated... or similar, when he was discussing the 'no fault' policy so move along nothing to see here.

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[greeneyed]

Canberra Raiders co-captain Jarrod Croker full of praise for Penrith Panthers turnaround

Canberra co-captain Jarrod Croker has seen a lot of football but even he struggles to remember a better turnaround than the one by the Penrith Panthers.

"It's pretty special isn't it?" Croker said. "I sort of hadn't realised it really until this week. I don't watch too much footy or worry about too many other sides, but it's been made note of this week they are playing well and coming home with a wet sail.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/07/23/cro ... urnaround/

AUDIO: How Ricky Stuart turned Raiders into a contender

Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart joined Inside The NRL to discuss his side's recent form and their run into the finals

Audio/Video: https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/07/23/how ... contender/

NRL Match Preview: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33499

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/07/23/pan ... 9-preview/

[greeneyed]

Canberra Raiders look to get 'fair dinkum' against Penrith Panthers: Sia Soliola

The fourth-placed Raiders are looking to shore up a spot in the four against the Penrith Panthers on Sunday, a team riding a seven-game winning streak.

"Defence is key, it has always been key, it has been our focal point this year. We've got to help ourselves in attack, we can't keep giving away cheap possession like we did last week," Soliola said.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

[woppadingo]

Kikau got 2 weeks for something that was barely a penalty. Fifita gets 1 week for a blatant shoulder charge on a player off the ball. Total farce.

Greenberg is on the record as saying Consistency in the NRL is overrated... or similar, when he was discussing the 'no fault' policy so move along nothing to see here.

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too bad so sad

[GreenMachine]

I’m in the minority that thinks it was a shoulder charge.

I’m actually in agreement with you.
By the letter of the law (today) it was a shoulder charge.
It was also late.
As long as the NRL are consistent I don’t have a problem.
Where I scratch my head is with Fafitah.

[Botman]

I’m in the minority that thinks it was a shoulder charge.

I’m actually in agreement with you.
By the letter of the law (today) it was a shoulder charge.
It was also late.
As long as the NRL are consistent I don’t have a problem.
Where I scratch my head is with Fafitah.

I think it was a shoulder charge but i dont know that it was late, and it wasnt high
it was a tough penalty but probably a penalty