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Re: Status check

Post by Bay 67 » July 17, 2019, 8:30 am

I'm a little excited but my tortured supporters soul keeps it in check. I agree with some of the other posters - this year we're winning with across the board efforts and not relying too heavily on the individual brilliance of a couple of players (ie. Campo/Dugan 2010, Leipana/Hodgson 2016). There's also a ruthlessness that we haven't had for a long time. The next eight weeks have some tough games, including the Roosters and Storm, but I feel more confident that we won't fall in a heap than I have for a long time.
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Post by The Rickman » July 17, 2019, 8:35 am

I think a big thing to remember here is that in 2008/2010/2012/2016 at this time of the season, making the Top 8 (let alone the Top 4!) was a distant hope, and really relied on us going on an insane run of good form

That’s a HUGE difference from where we are this season, and it’s such a satisfying feeling
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Re: Status check

Post by Northern Raider » July 17, 2019, 8:42 am

The Rickman wrote:
July 17, 2019, 8:35 am
I think a big thing to remember here is that in 2008/2010/2012/2016 at this time of the season, making the Top 8 (let alone the Top 4!) was a distant hope, and really relied on us going on an insane run of good form

That’s a HUGE difference from where we are this season, and it’s such a satisfying feeling
Fair point. Those years we had winning runs coming home. THis year we've consistently been in or near the top 4. That hasn't happened since 2003. We lost both semis but were a Boogs dropped ball away from a prelim final.
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Re: Status check

Post by PigRickman » July 17, 2019, 8:51 am

The Rickman wrote:
July 17, 2019, 8:35 am
I think a big thing to remember here is that in 2008/2010/2012/2016 at this time of the season, making the Top 8 (let alone the Top 4!) was a distant hope, and really relied on us going on an insane run of good form

That’s a HUGE difference from where we are this season, and it’s such a satisfying feeling
In 2016 at the end of round 17, we were 5th and 1 point off 4th.
I dont think it's fair to include that one.
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2008/10/12 at the end of round 17 we were 13th or 12th
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Re: Status check

Post by Finchy » July 17, 2019, 10:00 am

PigRickman wrote:
July 17, 2019, 8:51 am
The Rickman wrote:
July 17, 2019, 8:35 am
I think a big thing to remember here is that in 2008/2010/2012/2016 at this time of the season, making the Top 8 (let alone the Top 4!) was a distant hope, and really relied on us going on an insane run of good form

That’s a HUGE difference from where we are this season, and it’s such a satisfying feeling
In 2016 at the end of round 17, we were 5th and 1 point off 4th.
I dont think it's fair to include that one.
https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seas ... adder.html

2008/10/12 at the end of round 17 we were 13th or 12th
Yeah, I initially disagreed with 2016 being included in that list too, but we still won our last 10 games of the season in a row to make the top 4. Prior to our big run we weren't that crash hot. This year we don't have to rely on winning 10 games straight to make it.

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Re: Status check

Post by PigRickman » July 17, 2019, 10:06 am

Yeah that's a fair call too.
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Post by Dusty » July 17, 2019, 10:07 am

I’m excited and finding it difficult to temper my excitement.

Hoping we can jag a home semifinals and preliminary final. That’d be huge and I’d do everything I could to be there.


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Re: Status check

Post by GreenMachine » July 17, 2019, 10:32 am

I was at the 89 grand final and witnessed the glory in person.
This season feels like 89 to me. Were not favourites, but were in the mix and good enough on the day.

We need to keep the momentum in these next 8 games and test ourselves against the two big guns (storm and roosters) when we meet them.

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Re: Status check

Post by Dusty » July 17, 2019, 10:39 am

The NRL website used to have a ‘ladder predictor’ function. It doesn’t seem to have that this season. Is there one out there on the www that anyone is aware of?


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Re: Status check

Post by LastRaider » July 17, 2019, 11:35 am

I just want a top 4 finish this year. I’m in for 2020, I think it will be our year!

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Re: Status check

Post by Matt » July 17, 2019, 11:39 am

gangrenous wrote:
July 17, 2019, 6:58 am
Seiffert82 wrote:The other fun thing is that every man and his dog, including most of the fans, wrote us off because we had a terrible squad - which was complete Bull from day one.
I think we absolutely deserved to have our squad have big question marks on it at the beginning of the year. Sure the top 2/3 of the first grade team had talent, but the last two years they’d been in poor form or unsupported by the team strategy/makeup/depth.

This year we have changed the strategy and relied heavily on the broader depth. Which outsider is going to pick:

* Bateman
* CNK
to come in and be elite

* Simonsson
* Sutton
to be outstanding and allow our team to reshuffle and cover injury

* Young
* Horsburgh
* Kris
to be solid first graders who fit with the plan and not been easily exploited

* Wighton
to not just improve on his first attempt at the halves and be serviceable, but actually being a form half in the comp

This was an unproven team. Just turns out they’ve proven they’re very good players. Which will make holding a squad like this impossible in the next couple of years.
Harsh on Bateman. I expected an international backrower to be elite. I didnt expect him to be talked about as 1 of the best forwards in the comp though.

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Re: Status check

Post by The Rickman » July 17, 2019, 11:47 am

Finchy wrote:
July 17, 2019, 10:00 am
PigRickman wrote:
July 17, 2019, 8:51 am
The Rickman wrote:
July 17, 2019, 8:35 am
I think a big thing to remember here is that in 2008/2010/2012/2016 at this time of the season, making the Top 8 (let alone the Top 4!) was a distant hope, and really relied on us going on an insane run of good form

That’s a HUGE difference from where we are this season, and it’s such a satisfying feeling
In 2016 at the end of round 17, we were 5th and 1 point off 4th.
I dont think it's fair to include that one.
https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seas ... adder.html

2008/10/12 at the end of round 17 we were 13th or 12th
Yeah, I initially disagreed with 2016 being included in that list too, but we still won our last 10 games of the season in a row to make the top 4. Prior to our big run we weren't that crash hot. This year we don't have to rely on winning 10 games straight to make it.
Exactly my point. I knew somebody was going to cling to that one as the outlier (because that's what this forum does), which is why I added "let alone the Top 4!" in brackets.
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Re: Status check

Post by dubby » July 17, 2019, 4:53 pm

greeneyed wrote:
Lucky wrote:
July 16, 2019, 10:27 pm
Yeh its been a good year, but i wont be fully impressed until we beat the storm, roosters, or rabbits.
I won't be fully impressed until there's a premiership. It's been 25 years.
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Re: Status check

Post by dubby » July 17, 2019, 4:53 pm

The Rickman wrote:
dubby wrote:It's been a great season.

I'm enjoying it more than 2016.

In 2016 we rode off the back of Leipana + Austin individual brilliance.

This year we're a grittier, hungrier, gutsier team. I'd say we're a harder team than any other raiders team in the past 15 year.

In many ways this year reminds me of 87.





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And yet you haven’t said a positive thing about the team all year

Weird
And yet all year I haven't given a rip what you think.

Nor have a lot of people.

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Re: Status check

Post by The Rickman » July 17, 2019, 5:00 pm

dubby wrote:
July 17, 2019, 4:53 pm
greeneyed wrote:
Lucky wrote:
July 16, 2019, 10:27 pm
Yeh its been a good year, but i wont be fully impressed until we beat the storm, roosters, or rabbits.
I won't be fully impressed until there's a premiership. It's been 25 years.
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Re: Status check

Post by The Rickman » July 17, 2019, 5:02 pm

dubby wrote:
July 17, 2019, 4:53 pm
The Rickman wrote:
dubby wrote:It's been a great season.

I'm enjoying it more than 2016.

In 2016 we rode off the back of Leipana + Austin individual brilliance.

This year we're a grittier, hungrier, gutsier team. I'd say we're a harder team than any other raiders team in the past 15 year.

In many ways this year reminds me of 87.





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And yet you haven’t said a positive thing about the team all year

Weird
And yet all year I haven't given a rip what you think.

Nor have a lot of people.

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Re: Status check

Post by Seiffert82 » July 17, 2019, 5:41 pm

gangrenous wrote:
July 17, 2019, 6:58 am
Seiffert82 wrote:The other fun thing is that every man and his dog, including most of the fans, wrote us off because we had a terrible squad - which was complete Bull from day one.
I think we absolutely deserved to have our squad have big question marks on it at the beginning of the year. Sure the top 2/3 of the first grade team had talent, but the last two years they’d been in poor form or unsupported by the team strategy/makeup/depth.

This year we have changed the strategy and relied heavily on the broader depth. Which outsider is going to pick:

* Bateman
* CNK
to come in and be elite

* Simonsson
* Sutton
to be outstanding and allow our team to reshuffle and cover injury

* Young
* Horsburgh
* Kris
to be solid first graders who fit with the plan and not been easily exploited

* Wighton
to not just improve on his first attempt at the halves and be serviceable, but actually being a form half in the comp

This was an unproven team. Just turns out they’ve proven they’re very good players. Which will make holding a squad like this impossible in the next couple of years.
All good points gg, but IMO we were just a talented squad that horribly under performed for two seasons.

Wighton to the halves has been good, but he was arguably the form fullback of the comp before he was suspended. Integer had doubts over his ability. Papa, Hodgo, Rapa, Leilua and Whitehead were all top shelf, while Bateman was clearly one of the best in the ESL. Losing Boyd, Austin and Paulo was a bonus based on form.

CNK has been the huge surprise packet for me. Granted, that has been a big addition in a key position.

I'm just glad we're approaching somewhere near our potential this season. The focus on defence has been a long time coming.

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Re: Status check

Post by The Rickman » July 17, 2019, 5:46 pm

Seiffert82 wrote:
July 17, 2019, 5:41 pm
All good points gg, but IMO we were just a talented squad that horribly under performed for two seasons.

Wighton to the halves has been good, but he was arguably the form fullback of the comp before he was suspended. Integer had doubts over his ability. Papa, Hodgo, Rapa, Leilua and Whitehead were all top shelf, while Bateman was clearly one of the best in the ESL. Losing Boyd, Austin and Paulo was a bonus based on form.

CNK has been the huge surprise packet for me. Granted, that has been a big addition in a key position.

I'm just glad we're approaching somewhere near our potential this season. The focus on defence has been a long time coming.
Once again you just echo my thoughts about absolutely everything, Seiff. The team itself wasn't bad, they just played bad, their attitude and commitment after coming 2nd in 2016 absolutely STUNK! It was a Top 4 squad that just phoned it in and didn't even make the finals two years in a row, it was really horrible stuff.

So glad Stuart has been able to turn it around this season, but it surely should prove as a warning for next season and beyond that you just can't rest on your laurels and roll into the next season without doing the hard stuff first.
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Re: Status check

Post by gangrenous » July 17, 2019, 5:54 pm

I think there was an element of that. But I think a greater part was strategy/team composition.

I disagree that Wighton was a form fullback last season. He looked good in attack. But for a fullback he made too many errors, and his positioning was not up to scratch in defence. The difference this year with CNK in defence is enormous imo.

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Re: Status check

Post by Seiffert82 » July 17, 2019, 10:38 pm

Wighton always has an error or two in him, but I think we can be guilty of remembering periods of time and labelling players certain things based on those opinions. Leading up to his suspension he was in great form IMO. Probably the best we'd ever seen him at fullback.

His play in the halves has been great though. He was always going to give us a vast improvement in defence over Austin and his running game was always going to be strong, but his kicking game has progressed wonderfully this season. Credit to him and the coach for that improvement.

My concerns leading into this year was our depth in the front row and fullback. CNK has been the bargain buy of the season and our young front rowers have been great. Thankfully our depth in that position hasn't been tested too much with Papa, Soli, Lui and Sutton only missing something like 3 or 4 games between them, which is almost unheard of in that position.

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Re: Status check

Post by Matt » July 18, 2019, 10:09 am

Seiffert82 wrote:
July 17, 2019, 10:38 pm
Wighton always has an error or two in him, but I think we can be guilty of remembering periods of time and labelling players certain things based on those opinions. Leading up to his suspension he was in great form IMO. Probably the best we'd ever seen him at fullback.

His play in the halves has been great though. He was always going to give us a vast improvement in defence over Austin and his running game was always going to be strong, but his kicking game has progressed wonderfully this season. Credit to him and the coach for that improvement.

My concerns leading into this year was our depth in the front row and fullback. CNK has been the bargain buy of the season and our young front rowers have been great. Thankfully our depth in that position hasn't been tested too much with Papa, Soli, Lui and Sutton only missing something like 3 or 4 games between them, which is almost unheard of in that position.
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Re: Status check

Post by GreenMachine » July 18, 2019, 10:19 am

A top 4 finish is a must...it can't be understated.
Sure, at the start of the year when we were an unknown quantity, we could have set lower goals.
Good teams reassess goals as they move through the year and challenge themselves to reach those goals.

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Re: Status check

Post by The Rickman » July 18, 2019, 10:32 am

GreenMachine wrote:
July 18, 2019, 10:19 am
A top 4 finish is a must...it can't be understated.
Sure, at the start of the year when we were an unknown quantity, we could have set lower goals.
Good teams reassess goals as they move through the year and challenge themselves to reach those goals.
Agreed. You'd have to say anything less than a Top 4 finish from here is a failure. Top 2 would be full marks, Top 4 would be pass, anything less (considering where we are right now and our run home) is a fail.

Having said all that, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind this squad can accomplish that provided they keep going about things the way they largely have done this season to date.
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Re: Status check

Post by Dusty » July 18, 2019, 11:34 am

I’m really enjoying the season so far. The way the team are playing gives me confidence that we’ll be right in every match....

My wife asked me the other day what I would want to do ‘if’ the Raiders made the GF...

Option 1: Go to ANZ and watch the game live.

Option 2: Have a bbq type gathering with family and friends.

Option 3: Watch the game at home on TV with my son.

My order at this stage would be:
Option 3, 1, 2


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Re: Status check

Post by The Rickman » July 18, 2019, 11:49 am

Dusty wrote:
July 18, 2019, 11:34 am
I’m really enjoying the season so far. The way the team are playing gives me confidence that we’ll be right in every match....

My wife asked me the other day what I would want to do ‘if’ the Raiders made the GF...

Option 1: Go to ANZ and watch the game live.

Option 2: Have a bbq type gathering with family and friends.

Option 3: Watch the game at home on TV with my son.

My order at this stage would be:
Option 3, 1, 2


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My order of preference would be 1, 3, 2

That's obviously dependent on whether you'd let me watch the game with your son, Dusty.
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Re: Status check

Post by Dusty » July 18, 2019, 11:52 am

The Rickman wrote:
Dusty wrote:
July 18, 2019, 11:34 am
I’m really enjoying the season so far. The way the team are playing gives me confidence that we’ll be right in every match....

My wife asked me the other day what I would want to do ‘if’ the Raiders made the GF...

Option 1: Go to ANZ and watch the game live.

Option 2: Have a bbq type gathering with family and friends.

Option 3: Watch the game at home on TV with my son.

My order at this stage would be:
Option 3, 1, 2


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My order of preference would be 1, 3, 2

That's obviously dependent on whether you'd let me watch the game with your son, Dusty.
Haha... He’s knows his stuff.

It’d be a tough choice. I’d need decent seats for option 1.


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Re: Status check

Post by dubby » July 18, 2019, 11:59 am

I'd probably go, and splash the cash for great seats. I've waited soooooo long to see them in a GF, I wouldn't waste the opportunity

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Re: Status check

Post by greeneyed » July 18, 2019, 12:52 pm

Dusty wrote:
July 18, 2019, 11:34 am
I’m really enjoying the season so far. The way the team are playing gives me confidence that we’ll be right in every match....

My wife asked me the other day what I would want to do ‘if’ the Raiders made the GF...

Option 1: Go to ANZ and watch the game live.

Option 2: Have a bbq type gathering with family and friends.

Option 3: Watch the game at home on TV with my son.

My order at this stage would be:
Option 3, 1, 2


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You wouldn't keep me away from the stadium unless I was confined to hospital or in a pine box!

Why not combine 1 and 3, take him to the game! They haven't been in a decider in 25 years... you've got to actually be there!
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Re: Status check

Post by Beejay » July 18, 2019, 1:01 pm

I'm going to the game. My son can come, but someone needs to pick him up pretty damn quick after the game because there's only two results possible and both result in me being a pretty average person to be responsible for a child.

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Re: Status check

Post by Mickey_Raider » July 18, 2019, 1:01 pm

greeneyed wrote:
July 18, 2019, 12:52 pm
Dusty wrote:
July 18, 2019, 11:34 am
I’m really enjoying the season so far. The way the team are playing gives me confidence that we’ll be right in every match....

My wife asked me the other day what I would want to do ‘if’ the Raiders made the GF...

Option 1: Go to ANZ and watch the game live.

Option 2: Have a bbq type gathering with family and friends.

Option 3: Watch the game at home on TV with my son.

My order at this stage would be:
Option 3, 1, 2


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You wouldn't keep me away from the stadium unless I was confined to hospital or in a pine box!

Why not combine 1 and 3, take him to the game! They haven't been in a decider in 25 years... you've got to actually be there!
I’ll take one of these. I was not alive or too young for our other grand finals so it’s an absolute no brainer for me, especially as I live in Sydney.

I would also be acting as unofficial capo for the raiders bays to ensure that raiders songs are reverberating around The stadium on our big day.
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Re: Status check

Post by Coastalraider » July 18, 2019, 1:12 pm

The Rickman wrote:
July 18, 2019, 11:49 am
Dusty wrote:
July 18, 2019, 11:34 am
I’m really enjoying the season so far. The way the team are playing gives me confidence that we’ll be right in every match....

My wife asked me the other day what I would want to do ‘if’ the Raiders made the GF...

Option 1: Go to ANZ and watch the game live.

Option 2: Have a bbq type gathering with family and friends.

Option 3: Watch the game at home on TV with my son.

My order at this stage would be:
Option 3, 1, 2


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My order of preference would be 1, 3, 2

That's obviously dependent on whether you'd let me watch the game with your son, Dusty.
The hardest part of this decision would be which child I would sell to fund the ticket for option 1.

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Re: Status check

Post by gergreg » July 18, 2019, 2:17 pm

Coastalraider wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
July 18, 2019, 11:49 am
Dusty wrote:
July 18, 2019, 11:34 am
I’m really enjoying the season so far. The way the team are playing gives me confidence that we’ll be right in every match....

My wife asked me the other day what I would want to do ‘if’ the Raiders made the GF...

Option 1: Go to ANZ and watch the game live.

Option 2: Have a bbq type gathering with family and friends.

Option 3: Watch the game at home on TV with my son.

My order at this stage would be:
Option 3, 1, 2


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My order of preference would be 1, 3, 2

That's obviously dependent on whether you'd let me watch the game with your son, Dusty.
The hardest part of this decision would be which child I would sell to fund the ticket for option 1.
Not hard at all mate. You sell the one who is priced the best, those mid strength beers aren't cheap. A couple of GF days there, years ago, me and a mate easily went through a couple of hundred in beer alone.

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Re: Status check

Post by The Rickman » July 18, 2019, 2:28 pm

Sell em all, shoot for the best seats!
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Re: Status check

Post by raiderskater » July 18, 2019, 3:51 pm

I can't believe there's anyone who wouldn't choose option 1! You'd have to drown me in concrete to keep me away. Whenever That Day happens, I will be there!

...and now I'm remembering how the Raiders fans broke Ticketek the morning the home final tickets went on sale in 2016 and imagining a repeat where Ticketek crashes under the weight of desperate Raiders fans for GF tickets. Haha.
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Re: Status check

Post by -TW- » July 18, 2019, 6:16 pm

Or the fact Justin Bieber tickets went on sale at the smart time..

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