Are we premiership contenders?
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Re: Are we premiership contenders?
Yep, in it up to our ears.
Every team that wins has had luck go their way at some point, if we’re there or there abouts we deserve whatever fortune falls our way, and we’re definitely good enough to take advantage.
Every team that wins has had luck go their way at some point, if we’re there or there abouts we deserve whatever fortune falls our way, and we’re definitely good enough to take advantage.
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Plus we have John Bateman.
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I think we are very close to being considered genuine premiership contenders
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Re: Are we premiership contenders?
The thing is, in 2016 when we were red hot we beat the Sharks and Storm a few weeks out from the finals, yet still fell over against both of them in the finals (two games were really should have won).Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑June 15, 2019, 3:15 pm I think we’re in a spot to not embarrass ourselves come finals time, but we’re not contenders.
We’ll need a W against the Storm, Roosters or Souths for me to change my mind
So even if we did manage to beat the Roosters/Souths/Storm in the regular season this year, it doesn't necessarily translate to being able to beat them in the finals.
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I think we can 100% win the comp if we keep improving over the last half of the season. If full strength (minus BJ) we can beat any of the sides. Our Achilles heal is our discipline - teams are gonna try and play like the Sharks did on Thursday against us so we get frustrated. If we keep that in check we can beat anyone.
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Re: Are we premiership contenders?
It’s a 3 horse race when the squads are at full strength and we are just below them with a couple of other teams.
I’ll be interested to see when we play the Storm in Melbourne and back up and play the Roosters in Canberra the week later. That will be the telling point.
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I’ll be interested to see when we play the Storm in Melbourne and back up and play the Roosters in Canberra the week later. That will be the telling point.
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Re: Are we premiership contenders?
In 2016 we had a magic run to the finals but then suffered attrition due to injuries, by the time we met the Storm in Melbourne we were shot to bits but good enough to get close. If we had made it to the GF we would probably have been embarrassed.
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Left out the Bunnies since the Panthers just knocked them off?Northern Raider wrote:I think there's too big a gap to teams like Roosters and Storm for us to be contenders. That said if you're in it you can win it. If we can remain in the top 4 come September then we at least have a shot.
These teams are not invincible.
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If you finish in the top 4 you only need to win 3-4 games in a row to win it all. At our best we certainly have the defence to put ourselves in those big games and it has been much more consistent this season than previously.
I don’t feel like we are in the position where you’d be confident we would beat the big 3, just hopeful that we could.
One thing that gave me a bit of confidence was crokers try on Thursday. To win big games you need to be able to score from a perfectly executed set play, from inside the 20, against a well organised and desperate defence. We’ve been good off the cuff but not at set plays but there’s hints that it could be there.
So yes, but we’d need the bounce of the ball.
I don’t feel like we are in the position where you’d be confident we would beat the big 3, just hopeful that we could.
One thing that gave me a bit of confidence was crokers try on Thursday. To win big games you need to be able to score from a perfectly executed set play, from inside the 20, against a well organised and desperate defence. We’ve been good off the cuff but not at set plays but there’s hints that it could be there.
So yes, but we’d need the bounce of the ball.
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This far out we are looking a much better chance than our 89’ premiership team was at the same stage of the season.
We need improvement and a few things to go our way but I think we’re a big chance and I’m tipping Simmonsen and either Young or Hors will be a huge part of it!
We need improvement and a few things to go our way but I think we’re a big chance and I’m tipping Simmonsen and either Young or Hors will be a huge part of it!
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I think yes. I will always think yes.
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That no doubt makes you’re a great fan but also makes your opinion irrelevant.
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Out of interest, who are the big 3?pickles wrote: ↑June 15, 2019, 10:22 pm If you finish in the top 4 you only need to win 3-4 games in a row to win it all. At our best we certainly have the defence to put ourselves in those big games and it has been much more consistent this season than previously.
I don’t feel like we are in the position where you’d be confident we would beat the big 3, just hopeful that we could.
One thing that gave me a bit of confidence was crokers try on Thursday. To win big games you need to be able to score from a perfectly executed set play, from inside the 20, against a well organised and desperate defence. We’ve been good off the cuff but not at set plays but there’s hints that it could be there.
So yes, but we’d need the bounce of the ball.
So far this season, for mine Cronulla at full strength have been outstanding, Melbourne are well drilled and the Roosters have a very balanced squad who can be lethal in attack. The Bunnies have looked quite unconvincing at times.
Melbourne are so structured I feel that a combo of great effort in defence and a bit of off the cuff attack leaves them susceptible. The Roosters and Bunnies can regularly have their off days. It's really Cronulla that scares me. They have mongrel in defence and in attack they love to offload and they have some great weapons across the park. Graham and Johnson (on his day) are a lethal combo, while Moylan and Dugan are top quality. They are a bloody good team and I hate them for it.
I think they are all beatable though.
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I think all matches count and the lessons to be learned from either a win or a loss. The final 5 matches has us up against 'tough to beat' sides week after week. Just like semi finals. The Storm are currently the best attacking and defensive side in the comp. They are one of the sides we meet in that run to the finals. Over the past couple of years they have lost Cronk and Slater yet remain the competition bench mark. I mention this because it is a demonstration of how sides evolve and remain successful. I think the Raiders now have the defensive evolution we lacked in 2016.gangrenous wrote: ↑June 15, 2019, 6:07 pm I disagree on caring how we go in the run to the finals. As long as we can find a top four spot those games don’t count.
Remember 2016? We beat Sharks and Melbourne going into finals marking ourselves as contenders and lost to both. I’m certainly not saying I’d prefer to lose them, but if the team does enough to get a top 4 spot they’ll be remembered for their finals results. Not whether they were considered contenders by performing strongly going into the finals. That’s not where you’re aiming to peak your performance.
The Storm gave us a touch up earlier in the year. I want to see how we are performing against the competition bench mark late in the season. I'm glad we get to play them twice in the season. It will give Sticky and the coaching team opportunity to look at how we go against them and to make plans for a possible match up if we continue with our form and make the finals series. The current side is better than the 2016 side at the same stage of the competition. I think this form will be carried through to the finals series. But those final matches of the Premiership rounds will be a real test.
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The consensus so far seems to think we need a bit of luck to win it
That says it all.
I'm loving the season so far, we've been good.
But right now we have a number of injuries to key people, our attack particularly in the red zone is very clunky, our 7 is still unreliable no matter who wears the jersey, our kicking game is rocks and diamonds etc
But, while not a dynamic ball player or blessed with speed, CNK is Mr Reliable at the back and I'm confident he'll do enough, Jack is improving nicely (still has the odd brain fart), BATEMAN!, our pack looks nice and aggressive with Papa in sublime form, ...... we've defended our way into the 8.....with a somewhat clunky attack.
Which is why I think no.
When we can apply consistent pressure to the opposite team with a subtle, effective kicking game and the ability to score in the 20, and if we can get some key players back I'll be more confident
(Truth is, I don't like talking our hopes up less they be dashed and I get that awful, lonely, empty feeling if it all goes downhill. I really, really want them to be successful. I really do. It would mean so much to all of us).
My point is, we are still growing as a team.
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That says it all.
I'm loving the season so far, we've been good.
But right now we have a number of injuries to key people, our attack particularly in the red zone is very clunky, our 7 is still unreliable no matter who wears the jersey, our kicking game is rocks and diamonds etc
But, while not a dynamic ball player or blessed with speed, CNK is Mr Reliable at the back and I'm confident he'll do enough, Jack is improving nicely (still has the odd brain fart), BATEMAN!, our pack looks nice and aggressive with Papa in sublime form, ...... we've defended our way into the 8.....with a somewhat clunky attack.
Which is why I think no.
When we can apply consistent pressure to the opposite team with a subtle, effective kicking game and the ability to score in the 20, and if we can get some key players back I'll be more confident
(Truth is, I don't like talking our hopes up less they be dashed and I get that awful, lonely, empty feeling if it all goes downhill. I really, really want them to be successful. I really do. It would mean so much to all of us).
My point is, we are still growing as a team.
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Re: Are we premiership contenders?
If all teams are fit and focussed then it's a big 1 for mine. The Roosters win comfortably again. They are running second and unlike the Storm and South's haven't played near their best.
Once intensity and reffing changes in the semis I think that the Storm will lose their big advantage during the regular season.
South's are a danger but I am not convinced on Bennett's tactics working in the semis. Similar situation to the Storm.
Sharks would be the biggest danger to the Roosters for mine.
Then I'd have us after those 4, but still with a lot of upside. I could easily see us making a grand final, worse sides on paper have, but winning it is a stretch.
Once intensity and reffing changes in the semis I think that the Storm will lose their big advantage during the regular season.
South's are a danger but I am not convinced on Bennett's tactics working in the semis. Similar situation to the Storm.
Sharks would be the biggest danger to the Roosters for mine.
Then I'd have us after those 4, but still with a lot of upside. I could easily see us making a grand final, worse sides on paper have, but winning it is a stretch.
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Would make a massive difference to our chances if a fit and firing BJ was back for the finals. Storm have had a decent run with injury, Souths and Easts not so much. Sharks are back to full strength and look a pretty well balanced side. Any of the 5 are a real chance.
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Re: Are we premiership contenders?
Bunnies without Reynolds are not contenders.gangrenous wrote: ↑June 15, 2019, 9:42 pmLeft out the Bunnies since the Panthers just knocked them off?Northern Raider wrote:I think there's too big a gap to teams like Roosters and Storm for us to be contenders. That said if you're in it you can win it. If we can remain in the top 4 come September then we at least have a shot.
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Re: Are we premiership contenders?
Absolutely we are. We've been decimated by injury at points through this season and are still sitting in the top 4. There's definitely bits of our game that can improve but with 10 odd weeks until the finals there is no reason that we can't do just that. What I like most about our chances is the areas of our game that are looking good are things that are crucial to winning a premiership. We have a team now that looks far more mature and experienced, we are composed under pressure and a solid defensive unit. As long as we can hang with the top dogs we are a good shot in the finals.
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I think we are VERY close to being in that top bracket.
Storm game was a 20-30 minute period and we got back in kinda, roosters we most definitely shat the bed and still should have won, souths was our biggest test and was another one we could have jagged, we got bashed up and felt that in the cowboys loss.
the sharks game was a great indicator, they are a very good side. theres 5 genuine contenders this year.
I think the depth needed due to injuries has shown that we are right up there this year, the experience those young players are getting will be huge for us in the end of the season, they are already pushing for the spots of more experienced players.
Storm game was a 20-30 minute period and we got back in kinda, roosters we most definitely shat the bed and still should have won, souths was our biggest test and was another one we could have jagged, we got bashed up and felt that in the cowboys loss.
the sharks game was a great indicator, they are a very good side. theres 5 genuine contenders this year.
I think the depth needed due to injuries has shown that we are right up there this year, the experience those young players are getting will be huge for us in the end of the season, they are already pushing for the spots of more experienced players.
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What’s impressed me the most was how pre-season there were people saying “This is Ricky’s squad, if we’re not top 4, it’s a failure and he should be under pressure.” I thought that was a bit of a stretch, and yet, here we are.
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Re: Are we premiership contenders?
I don't think we're a top 4 team
And right now there's still byes etc to take into consideration.
Let's see where we are after round 26.
If we finish top 4 we've over achieved imo. Especially considering our 7.
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And right now there's still byes etc to take into consideration.
Let's see where we are after round 26.
If we finish top 4 we've over achieved imo. Especially considering our 7.
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Re: Are we premiership contenders?
Agree we have to see what happens given our tough draw but I wouldn't have us lower than 5th and we beat the other team that has the best case for 4th on Thursday.
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Not far off if we can keep playing like this but can't see us quite hitting the mark until we sort out our no 7 woes. I thought Sezer started the game well on Thursday but just went missing and happens too often with him for my liking - we already know the ups and downs of Williams as well.
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The big 3 are the chooks, storm and bunnies. We’ve played all of them when they were pretty much full strength and in form and have been close but never controlled any of the games.Seiffert82 wrote:Out of interest, who are the big 3?pickles wrote: ↑June 15, 2019, 10:22 pm If you finish in the top 4 you only need to win 3-4 games in a row to win it all. At our best we certainly have the defence to put ourselves in those big games and it has been much more consistent this season than previously.
I don’t feel like we are in the position where you’d be confident we would beat the big 3, just hopeful that we could.
One thing that gave me a bit of confidence was crokers try on Thursday. To win big games you need to be able to score from a perfectly executed set play, from inside the 20, against a well organised and desperate defence. We’ve been good off the cuff but not at set plays but there’s hints that it could be there.
So yes, but we’d need the bounce of the ball.
So far this season, for mine Cronulla at full strength have been outstanding, Melbourne are well drilled and the Roosters have a very balanced squad who can be lethal in attack. The Bunnies have looked quite unconvincing at times.
Melbourne are so structured I feel that a combo of great effort in defence and a bit of off the cuff attack leaves them susceptible. The Roosters and Bunnies can regularly have their off days. It's really Cronulla that scares me. They have mongrel in defence and in attack they love to offload and they have some great weapons across the park. Graham and Johnson (on his day) are a lethal combo, while Moylan and Dugan are top quality. They are a bloody good team and I hate them for it.
I think they are all beatable though.
What’s clear is that the chooks aren’t as dangerous without Keary and the Bunnies struggle without Reynolds.
The storm are very consistent in effort and always put themselves in a position to win big games.
At full strength the chooks are the best team and a good shot of going back to back but that’s a very tough thing to do.
There are so many variables when it comes to finals that you have to put yourself in the best position possible and hope you have most of your key players fit when it matters.
We learnt in 2016 that you have to take your chances because who know what the next years hold? This year we are a shot and need to do everything we can to make the most of it.
Re: Are we premiership contenders?
We won't be anywhere after round 26 Dubs.dubby wrote:I don't think we're a top 4 team
And right now there's still byes etc to take into consideration.
Let's see where we are after round 26.
If we finish top 4 we've over achieved imo. Especially considering our 7.
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Re: Are we premiership contenders?
Yeah, the Roosters have a very good squad. We certainly didn't look like contenders against them as we were overawed by the occasion. For us it's about getting the best out of the entire team on a regular basis. We rely too much on Bateman and Wighton as individuals in attack, whereas the other good teams execute well and panic less.pickles wrote: ↑June 16, 2019, 3:57 pmThe big 3 are the chooks, storm and bunnies. We’ve played all of them when they were pretty much full strength and in form and have been close but never controlled any of the games.Seiffert82 wrote:Out of interest, who are the big 3?pickles wrote: ↑June 15, 2019, 10:22 pm If you finish in the top 4 you only need to win 3-4 games in a row to win it all. At our best we certainly have the defence to put ourselves in those big games and it has been much more consistent this season than previously.
I don’t feel like we are in the position where you’d be confident we would beat the big 3, just hopeful that we could.
One thing that gave me a bit of confidence was crokers try on Thursday. To win big games you need to be able to score from a perfectly executed set play, from inside the 20, against a well organised and desperate defence. We’ve been good off the cuff but not at set plays but there’s hints that it could be there.
So yes, but we’d need the bounce of the ball.
So far this season, for mine Cronulla at full strength have been outstanding, Melbourne are well drilled and the Roosters have a very balanced squad who can be lethal in attack. The Bunnies have looked quite unconvincing at times.
Melbourne are so structured I feel that a combo of great effort in defence and a bit of off the cuff attack leaves them susceptible. The Roosters and Bunnies can regularly have their off days. It's really Cronulla that scares me. They have mongrel in defence and in attack they love to offload and they have some great weapons across the park. Graham and Johnson (on his day) are a lethal combo, while Moylan and Dugan are top quality. They are a bloody good team and I hate them for it.
I think they are all beatable though.
What’s clear is that the chooks aren’t as dangerous without Keary and the Bunnies struggle without Reynolds.
The storm are very consistent in effort and always put themselves in a position to win big games.
At full strength the chooks are the best team and a good shot of going back to back but that’s a very tough thing to do.
There are so many variables when it comes to finals that you have to put yourself in the best position possible and hope you have most of your key players fit when it matters.
We learnt in 2016 that you have to take your chances because who know what the next years hold? This year we are a shot and need to do everything we can to make the most of it.
I'm still not overly convinced by the Rabbitohs. Tough team, but can be a bit predictable. If the forwards aren't allowed to dominate the ruck and put the opposition off their game, they look ordinary.
Time will tell. It's just frustrating that we've not really hit our straps yet, due to injuries and players in new positions. I just hope we can get somewhere near our potential. If we can, we're right up there IMO. This is a good squad.
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Very happy with our season thus far. We've had major improvement in defence and our attitude is a breath of fresh air compared to recent years. Players and coaches aren't serving up lame excuses for our shortfalls. We are on the right track, but I predict we will finish 6th. If you offered me 6th in the pre season I would of been happy_ish. Hopefully my prediction is rubbish and we snag top 4. Hold on to your hat folks it's going to be a wild and exciting ride
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I don’t think we are contenders. Wighton is still developing and unless Sezer turns a corner we don’t have the halves combo to seriously contend for the Premiership. We also lack a general who can guide us around the park and make the key plays at critical moments, most of our wins have been grinding efforts or hanging on for dear life.
If we had a solid halves pairing I would say for certain we could be contenders.
If we had a solid halves pairing I would say for certain we could be contenders.
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Hodgo plays the general role in our team. We just need Sezer to be the solid 2nd fiddle Chad Townsend half and let Jack do his thing. It's not that far off.rayden83 wrote: ↑June 16, 2019, 11:06 pm I don’t think we are contenders. Wighton is still developing and unless Sezer turns a corner we don’t have the halves combo to seriously contend for the Premiership. We also lack a general who can guide us around the park and make the key plays at critical moments, most of our wins have been grinding efforts or hanging on for dear life.
If we had a solid halves pairing I would say for certain we could be contenders.
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Re: Are we premiership contenders?
Unlike the Storm, there are a number of players in our team who don't seem to be particularly clear on their roles.
Stuart has to keep things simple for the likes of Sezer and Wighton and ensure Hodgson doesn't overplay his hand in the attacking 20. If we can sort those kinds of issues out this team has every chance of success.
Stuart has to keep things simple for the likes of Sezer and Wighton and ensure Hodgson doesn't overplay his hand in the attacking 20. If we can sort those kinds of issues out this team has every chance of success.
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My biggest concern with attacking inside the opposition 20, is the forward pack who don't understand that they need to run angled lines instead of constantly running those ineffective straight lines, square on with defenders.
We wouldn't be complaining about Hodgson inside the opposition 20 if the structure and plan around him was better.
We wouldn't be complaining about Hodgson inside the opposition 20 if the structure and plan around him was better.
Re: Are we premiership contenders?
We are currently in the top 4 (based on points not just f/a) and we have the bye in hand, players to return from injury and suspension and a nice break now for rep round. Couldn’t possibly have asked for much more than this. People crazy.
Biggest area we need to improve in is our effort to play the ball and get on with it. Players need to stop trying to appeal for penalties/ milk them and just get on with things as fast as they can. Urgency to speed up the ruck will result in better play and more penalties for us than asking the ref for a leg up
Biggest area we need to improve in is our effort to play the ball and get on with it. Players need to stop trying to appeal for penalties/ milk them and just get on with things as fast as they can. Urgency to speed up the ruck will result in better play and more penalties for us than asking the ref for a leg up
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