He also doesn't sell his winger over the sideline... this used to be called "being a hog". I call it "Not stuffing up".julian87 wrote: ↑June 2, 2019, 8:30 pm I really think you guys are absolutely nuts.
The centers in the NRL last week were: Jennings, Hoffman, Whare, Blake, Walker, Parker, Arthars, Kelly, Hunt, Ramien, Tupou, Mitchell, Croker, Cotric, O’Neill, Opacic, Hiku, Herbert, Staggs, Shibasaki, Lowe, Gagai, Momirovski, Marsters, Montoya, Hopoate, Chambers, Seve, Aitken, Lafai, Xerri and Morris.
The only biggish names that I can think of that are out are Roberts, Leilua, Scott and Burns. I think as an all round centre Croker is definitely top 3rd on that list. And that’s not even taking kicking into consideration tbh. He’s good in attack imo, one of the best attacking kick chasers in the game versatile enough to shift to the wing mid game without worry and has proven in the past his defense can be a lot better than it is now. 11th year of first grade next season means a pretty heavy salary cap percentage discounted (can’t find this information anywhere though right now). Now if this has changed or been cut dramatically it changes things a bit, but this just isn’t even a question atm.
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I’m 100% on board with you! He needs to go!Rickmando wrote: ↑June 2, 2019, 1:43 pm Lots of people once again throwing up the warm and fuzzies as reasons to keep Croker on.
How about actual objective footballing reasons? Instead of the Dennis Denuto “vibe”.
There should at least be a conversation as to whether, after 10 years of FG, he is the answer at left centre FROM A FOOTBALLING PERSPECTIVE. Not as a captain/goalkicker/good bloke/local junior. But as a tackle misser, try bomber, wet lettuce runner.
If we can get someone to do the job better (and cheaper) - and I’ve got absolutely no doubt we can - then why wouldn’t we at least consider moving his mediocre talents along in the interests of improving overall and winning a premiership??
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Man I can't wait to see who we witch hunt next.... so exciting
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I’m surprised at the amount of people who continue to give him a free pass for defending like Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man.
Surely a local car dealership can pick up the rest of his contract and put him to good use?
Surely a local car dealership can pick up the rest of his contract and put him to good use?
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You’re not seeing the whole picture though Rick - sure he can’t tackle and offfers little in attack, but apparently he tries really hard and we value that. Also he spends a good 45 minutes talking with fans and kissing babies post game. Look I agree we won’t ever win a premiership with him in the side but it’s Crokes mate - just enjoy his quest for personal milestones and be happy that on a good day he’s probably not worse than the sixth best other centre that once played Origin.....
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Should hold a sweepstakes.thedevilingreen wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 5:09 am Man I can't wait to see who we witch hunt next.... so exciting
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That's a great idea. Personally I'd like too see a sack a George Williams post get the ball rolling earlyNorthern Raider wrote:Should hold a sweepstakes.thedevilingreen wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 5:09 am Man I can't wait to see who we witch hunt next.... so exciting
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Sack hodgothedevilingreen wrote:That's a great idea. Personally I'd like too see a sack a George Williams post get the ball rolling earlyNorthern Raider wrote:Should hold a sweepstakes.thedevilingreen wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 5:09 am Man I can't wait to see who we witch hunt next.... so exciting
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I always get a laugh out of the people who claim "Croker doesn't pass!" when a) he often does, and he's set up his winger many, many times doing that, whoever it is and b) a lot of the time if he did pass, the winger would be put over the sideline. Like, give him some credit for having spatial awareness, guys.Lui_Bon wrote: ↑June 2, 2019, 11:49 pmHe also doesn't sell his winger over the sideline... this used to be called "being a hog". I call it "Not stuffing up".julian87 wrote: ↑June 2, 2019, 8:30 pm I really think you guys are absolutely nuts.
The centers in the NRL last week were: Jennings, Hoffman, Whare, Blake, Walker, Parker, Arthars, Kelly, Hunt, Ramien, Tupou, Mitchell, Croker, Cotric, O’Neill, Opacic, Hiku, Herbert, Staggs, Shibasaki, Lowe, Gagai, Momirovski, Marsters, Montoya, Hopoate, Chambers, Seve, Aitken, Lafai, Xerri and Morris.
The only biggish names that I can think of that are out are Roberts, Leilua, Scott and Burns. I think as an all round centre Croker is definitely top 3rd on that list. And that’s not even taking kicking into consideration tbh. He’s good in attack imo, one of the best attacking kick chasers in the game versatile enough to shift to the wing mid game without worry and has proven in the past his defense can be a lot better than it is now. 11th year of first grade next season means a pretty heavy salary cap percentage discounted (can’t find this information anywhere though right now). Now if this has changed or been cut dramatically it changes things a bit, but this just isn’t even a question atm.
Yes, he hasn't been defending all that well this year - but in recent years this has been the anomaly, not the norm. His defence is still miles better now than it was five years ago, and he's no worse than many other centres.
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That first try was the worst defensive read I have seen from us this year.
I thought that would be gone with austin.
To me that sort of defending comes from a bloke who is second guessing his own ability and lacking trust in those around him. Honestly that was so so disappointing.
That said, he did make the strip that said up the penalty to win the match.
I am just hoping croker turns it around because we need a fit and firing croker now desperately.
I thought that would be gone with austin.
To me that sort of defending comes from a bloke who is second guessing his own ability and lacking trust in those around him. Honestly that was so so disappointing.
That said, he did make the strip that said up the penalty to win the match.
I am just hoping croker turns it around because we need a fit and firing croker now desperately.
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Croker a strong runner of the ball? I think I’ve heard it all.
It’s an obvious tactic for him to take minimal hittups because of a complete lack of effectiveness.
A lot depends on how BJ recovers. Assuming all goes well....
If we are fair dinkum about winning a comp, we’re not overlooking the fact that Cotric is destined to become an elite Centre and to hold him back for the sake of Jarrod Croker is just nonsense.
Croker could become a reasonable winger. Needs a bit more size, but he’s always looked decent in the air. He reads the game more than well enough. On The odd occasion where he has filled in on the wing, he has looked good.
It’s an obvious tactic for him to take minimal hittups because of a complete lack of effectiveness.
A lot depends on how BJ recovers. Assuming all goes well....
If we are fair dinkum about winning a comp, we’re not overlooking the fact that Cotric is destined to become an elite Centre and to hold him back for the sake of Jarrod Croker is just nonsense.
Croker could become a reasonable winger. Needs a bit more size, but he’s always looked decent in the air. He reads the game more than well enough. On The odd occasion where he has filled in on the wing, he has looked good.
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Absolutely agree - although we aren’t short a quality winger or two at the moment. I suspect we have too much of our salary cap tied up in centres and wingers. Sort that out, get a quality half like Burgess, move Croker on and clear space in the trophy cabinet I say!yeh raiders wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 10:06 am Croker a strong runner of the ball? I think I’ve heard it all.
It’s an obvious tactic for him to take minimal hittups because of a complete lack of effectiveness.
A lot depends on how BJ recovers. Assuming all goes well....
If we are fair dinkum about winning a comp, we’re not overlooking the fact that Cotric is destined to become an elite Centre and to hold him back for the sake of Jarrod Croker is just nonsense.
Croker could become a reasonable winger. Needs a bit more size, but he’s always looked decent in the air. He reads the game more than well enough. On The odd occasion where he has filled in on the wing, he has looked good.
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Yeah the Sharks won a comp with Ricky Leutele in the centres but we can't win 1 with Crokes in the centres. This is hilarious.
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I dont think leutele was on near the anount croker is.
Croker plays centre until bj returns. Then we have a rational discussion on the best way to move forward for the team in regards to where we want our money tied up.
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That's fair enough. Insinuating he's the 1 preventing us winning a comp is laughable though. We aren't winning anything until we have an adequate halfback.
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If money tied up in him prevents us from being able to get an upgrade im the halves then maybe he is stopping us.Hazza wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 10:51 amThat's fair enough. Insinuating he's the 1 preventing us winning a comp is laughable though. We aren't winning anything until we have an adequate halfback.
I think we will have 2 better options at centre next year. I think that despite croker having a game that could suit wing, the gap in quality in that position between he, simonson or oldfield would not justify his pay packet and therefore should be addressed
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Salary cap decisions this club makes always tend to bite me in the ass. But for some reason I doubt Croker is on some **** outrageously huge contract dollar wise.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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Do you really believe it's Croker's cap burden preventing us from recruiting a quality half?simo wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 11:00 amIf money tied up in him prevents us from being able to get an upgrade im the halves then maybe he is stopping us.Hazza wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 10:51 amThat's fair enough. Insinuating he's the 1 preventing us winning a comp is laughable though. We aren't winning anything until we have an adequate halfback.
I think we will have 2 better options at centre next year. I think that despite croker having a game that could suit wing, the gap in quality in that position between he, simonson or oldfield would not justify his pay packet and therefore should be addressed
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His contract needs to be put into current perspective though. Hes now potentially our 3rd best centre. We have a clearly superior player at right wing.
Our options at left wing would be croker, simonson and oldfield. I could be swayed either way on who to run with there but im probably leaning towards simonson. Thats even before you start putting contract dollars next to their names.
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No, i think their are very few quality halves out there, but id rather have salary cap spare ready to go then have it tied up in what could be our 3rd string center/ chance at wing spotNorthern Raider wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 11:21 amDo you really believe it's Croker's cap burden preventing us from recruiting a quality half?simo wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 11:00 amIf money tied up in him prevents us from being able to get an upgrade im the halves then maybe he is stopping us.Hazza wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 10:51 amThat's fair enough. Insinuating he's the 1 preventing us winning a comp is laughable though. We aren't winning anything until we have an adequate halfback.
I think we will have 2 better options at centre next year. I think that despite croker having a game that could suit wing, the gap in quality in that position between he, simonson or oldfield would not justify his pay packet and therefore should be addressed
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Sorry please move this comment to the "sack" which ever halfback played this week thread please.Hazza wrote:That's fair enough. Insinuating he's the 1 preventing us winning a comp is laughable though. We aren't winning anything until we have an adequate halfback.
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I love how the Croker fans always justify his selection in the team by searching high low to try to find someone worse than him!
We drop the bar so low - we don’t want a good centre just a nice guy that can sometimes defend better than James Roberts or maybe isn’t as poor as Ricky Leutele.
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Ricky Leutele is not the most dynamic player to ever play, but he was part of the reason why the Sharks won that premiership. He did his job to a first grade standard, and in line with what they were paying him. I certainly don’t recall him regularly flying out of the line to gift easy tries to the opposition.Billy Walker wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 11:40 amI love how the Croker fans always justify his selection in the team by searching high low to try to find someone worse than him!
We drop the bar so low - we don’t want a good centre just a nice guy that can sometimes defend better than James Roberts or maybe isn’t as poor as Ricky Leutele.
Why wouldn’t you be trying to save as much money as possible on the least impactful position, to spend elsewhere on match-winners in the spine or forwards?
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Where did I state I'm a Croker fan?Billy Walker wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 11:40 amI love how the Croker fans always justify his selection in the team by searching high low to try to find someone worse than him!
We drop the bar so low - we don’t want a good centre just a nice guy that can sometimes defend better than James Roberts or maybe isn’t as poor as Ricky Leutele.
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Because it’s Crokes and we all love Crokes! He tries really hard and it isn’t his fault the other kids are bigger and better.Rickmando wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 11:56 amRicky Leutele is not the most dynamic player to ever play, but he was part of the reason why the Sharks won that premiership. He did his job to a first grade standard, and in line with what they were paying him. I certainly don’t recall him regularly flying out of the line to gift easy tries to the opposition.Billy Walker wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 11:40 amI love how the Croker fans always justify his selection in the team by searching high low to try to find someone worse than him!
We drop the bar so low - we don’t want a good centre just a nice guy that can sometimes defend better than James Roberts or maybe isn’t as poor as Ricky Leutele.
Why wouldn’t you be trying to save as much money as possible on the least impactful position, to spend elsewhere on match-winners in the spine or forwards?
The clock is ticking on him - we will have two good centres paid a proper market value soon enough Rick!
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Croker is easily one of the better centres in the competition. Other players even think so, as per the NRL.com player poll. Sure Mitchell was way out in front, but Croker polled second. His form has been well down for two weeks, and his defence has been exposed a couple of times. He's the second all time try scorer for the club, at just 28, and the leading point scorer. I find the whole thread bizarre really. I know it is a small minority of fans pushing a view... but really! Form is transitory, class permanent, and he is a classy player, with lots of good years and games in front of him.
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You really do have green eye’s Greeneyedgreeneyed wrote:Croker is easily one of the better centres in the competition. Other players even think so, as per the NRL.com player poll. Sure Mitchell was way out in front, but Croker polled second. His form has been well down for two weeks, and his defence has been exposed a couple of times. He's the second all time try scorer for the club, at just 28, and the leading point scorer. I find the whole thread bizarre really. I know it is a small minority of fans pushing a view... but really! Form is transitory, class permanent, and he is a classy player, with lots of good years and games in front of him.
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Spot on, mate. Well saidgreeneyed wrote:Croker is easily one of the better centres in the competition. Other players even think so, as per the NRL.com player poll. Sure Mitchell was way out in front, but Croker polled second. His form has been well down for two weeks, and his defence has been exposed a couple of times. He's the second all time try scorer for the club, at just 28, and the leading point scorer. I find the whole thread bizarre really. I know it is a small minority of fans pushing a view... but really! Form is transitory, class permanent, and he is a classy player, with lots of good years and games in front of him.
This thread really is a stupid thread, populated by stupid cowards
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He is pointing out is that the rest of rugby league community rates Croker very highly. I don't see how that demonstrates any club bias. Quite the opposite really. Its mainly a select group of Raiders fans believe Croker is a liability.LastRaider wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 1:14 pmYou really do have green eye’s Greeneyedgreeneyed wrote:Croker is easily one of the better centres in the competition. Other players even think so, as per the NRL.com player poll. Sure Mitchell was way out in front, but Croker polled second. His form has been well down for two weeks, and his defence has been exposed a couple of times. He's the second all time try scorer for the club, at just 28, and the leading point scorer. I find the whole thread bizarre really. I know it is a small minority of fans pushing a view... but really! Form is transitory, class permanent, and he is a classy player, with lots of good years and games in front of him.
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That post just absolutely eviscerated this thread. RIPjulian87 wrote: ↑June 2, 2019, 8:30 pm I really think you guys are absolutely nuts.
The centers in the NRL last week were: Jennings, Hoffman, Whare, Blake, Walker, Parker, Arthars, Kelly, Hunt, Ramien, Tupou, Mitchell, Croker, Cotric, O’Neill, Opacic, Hiku, Herbert, Staggs, Shibasaki, Lowe, Gagai, Momirovski, Marsters, Montoya, Hopoate, Chambers, Seve, Aitken, Lafai, Xerri and Morris.
The only biggish names that I can think of that are out are Roberts, Leilua, Scott and Burns. I think as an all round centre Croker is definitely top 3rd on that list. And that’s not even taking kicking into consideration tbh. He’s good in attack imo, one of the best attacking kick chasers in the game versatile enough to shift to the wing mid game without worry and has proven in the past his defense can be a lot better than it is now. 11th year of first grade next season means a pretty heavy salary cap percentage discounted (can’t find this information anywhere though right now). Now if this has changed or been cut dramatically it changes things a bit, but this just isn’t even a question atm.
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I know he didnt look good defensively on the weekend - I wonder how much was down to having Tarpine and Sezer pair up with him rather than the usual subjects he has been playing with this year?
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Anyone honestly want to look at that list Julian provided and still tell me Croker would end up in the ESL if we turfed him?
Absolute jokers. Croker is better then 80% of that list haha
Absolute jokers. Croker is better then 80% of that list haha
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Nah, he let a try in on the weekend, m8PigRickman wrote: ↑June 3, 2019, 1:31 pm Anyone honestly want to look at that list Julian provided and still tell me Croker would end up in the ESL if we turfed him?
Absolute jokers. Croker is better then 80% of that list haha
And missed a goal from the sideline. He's absolute ****.