Jarrod Croker

hobbsy · Post by **hobbsy** » July 20, 2019, 10:29 am

gergreg wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 8:57 am
LastRaider wrote:You’ve got to make hard decisions to win a premiership. Roosters removed Mitchel Pearce, the youngest Roosters and NRL player to ever achieve 200 First grade games, 1 premiership, 19 SOO appearances, 3 minor premiership and Roosters junior. The following year the club wins a premiership.
So we should replace Croker with Cronk? I'm not following you here?

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Haha yeah look, if a future immortal, multiple premiership, origin and Dally M winning centre decided he wanted to move to Canberra for family reasons then I'd say discussing which centre we get rid of to make room would be a conversation worth having. Until then I'm pretty happy with having one of the best attacking threats in the competition in our line up every week.

gerg · Post by **gerg** » July 20, 2019, 10:38 am

LastRaider wrote:
gergreg wrote:
LastRaider wrote:You’ve got to make hard decisions to win a premiership. Roosters removed Mitchel Pearce, the youngest Roosters and NRL player to ever achieve 200 First grade games, 1 premiership, 19 SOO appearances, 3 minor premiership and Roosters junior. The following year the club wins a premiership.
So we should replace Croker with Cronk? I'm not following you here?

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The point is sometimes you need to make the hard decisions to win premierships and I believe that moving Cotric to Centre, Simonnson to permanent wing and retaining Rapana at the same time as freeing up some cap space is the decision we need to make to win.

Who is kicking goals in your imaginary world?

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-TW- · Post by **-TW-** » July 20, 2019, 11:03 am

Does anyone know for a fact what Croker is actually on?

I've seen a lot of get rid of him to "free up some cap space"

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raiderskater · Post by **raiderskater** » July 20, 2019, 12:00 pm

gergreg wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 10:38 am Who is kicking goals in your imaginary world?

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This always makes me laugh too because these fools usually get rid of Sezer and Williams as well in their imaginary worlds, so really, who IS kicking the goals?

TW, I think there's some speculation he's on around 600k? Which for a centre of his quality, longevity and standing is really not a lot. We'd also be getting the long-term player discount and the local junior discount on him too.

Post by **greeneyed** » July 20, 2019, 12:57 pm

Is this still going?

gangrenous · Post by **gangrenous** » July 20, 2019, 1:04 pm

skeepe wrote:I haven’t been here for a while, so I had to check if my phone had cached a version of the site from 2012 when I saw this thread.

But no.... this is an actual thread. In 2019. On the largest Raiders supporters forum in the world.

That’s outrageous.

Scenes! Absolute scenes at the Greenhouse!

It’s skeepe! Hi skeepe

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 20, 2019, 1:04 pm

gergreg wrote:
LastRaider wrote:
gergreg wrote:
LastRaider wrote:You’ve got to make hard decisions to win a premiership. Roosters removed Mitchel Pearce, the youngest Roosters and NRL player to ever achieve 200 First grade games, 1 premiership, 19 SOO appearances, 3 minor premiership and Roosters junior. The following year the club wins a premiership.
So we should replace Croker with Cronk? I'm not following you here?

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The point is sometimes you need to make the hard decisions to win premierships and I believe that moving Cotric to Centre, Simonnson to permanent wing and retaining Rapana at the same time as freeing up some cap space is the decision we need to make to win.
Who is kicking goals in your imaginary world?

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George Williams, kicked pretty well in 2017 for Wigan

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 20, 2019, 1:10 pm

raiderskater wrote:
gergreg wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 10:38 am Who is kicking goals in your imaginary world?

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This always makes me laugh too because these fools usually get rid of Sezer and Williams as well in their imaginary worlds, so really, who IS kicking the goals?

TW, I think there's some speculation he's on around 600k? Which for a centre of his quality, longevity and standing is really not a lot. We'd also be getting the long-term player discount and the local junior discount on him too.

Apparently BJ and Croker are on similar money. (Told this from a player agent)

gerg · Post by **gerg** » July 20, 2019, 1:52 pm

LastRaider wrote:
gergreg wrote:
LastRaider wrote:
gergreg wrote:
LastRaider wrote:You’ve got to make hard decisions to win a premiership. Roosters removed Mitchel Pearce, the youngest Roosters and NRL player to ever achieve 200 First grade games, 1 premiership, 19 SOO appearances, 3 minor premiership and Roosters junior. The following year the club wins a premiership.
So we should replace Croker with Cronk? I'm not following you here?

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The point is sometimes you need to make the hard decisions to win premierships and I believe that moving Cotric to Centre, Simonnson to permanent wing and retaining Rapana at the same time as freeing up some cap space is the decision we need to make to win.
Who is kicking goals in your imaginary world?

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George Williams, kicked pretty well in 2017 for Wigan

What happened to his kicking in 2018 and 2019?

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raiderskater · Post by **raiderskater** » July 20, 2019, 2:19 pm

LastRaider wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 1:10 pm
raiderskater wrote:
gergreg wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 10:38 am Who is kicking goals in your imaginary world?

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This always makes me laugh too because these fools usually get rid of Sezer and Williams as well in their imaginary worlds, so really, who IS kicking the goals?

TW, I think there's some speculation he's on around 600k? Which for a centre of his quality, longevity and standing is really not a lot. We'd also be getting the long-term player discount and the local junior discount on him too.
Apparently BJ and Croker are on similar money. (Told this from a player agent)

Well what's BJ on then?

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 20, 2019, 2:26 pm

gergreg wrote:
LastRaider wrote:
gergreg wrote:
LastRaider wrote:
gergreg wrote:So we should replace Croker with Cronk? I'm not following you here?

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The point is sometimes you need to make the hard decisions to win premierships and I believe that moving Cotric to Centre, Simonnson to permanent wing and retaining Rapana at the same time as freeing up some cap space is the decision we need to make to win.
Who is kicking goals in your imaginary world?

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George Williams, kicked pretty well in 2017 for Wigan
What happened to his kicking in 2018 and 2019?

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He stopped kicking. Another kicker came to the club

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 20, 2019, 2:39 pm

raiderskater wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 2:19 pm
LastRaider wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 1:10 pm
raiderskater wrote:
gergreg wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 10:38 am Who is kicking goals in your imaginary world?

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This always makes me laugh too because these fools usually get rid of Sezer and Williams as well in their imaginary worlds, so really, who IS kicking the goals?

TW, I think there's some speculation he's on around 600k? Which for a centre of his quality, longevity and standing is really not a lot. We'd also be getting the long-term player discount and the local junior discount on him too.
Apparently BJ and Croker are on similar money. (Told this from a player agent)
Well what's BJ on then?

Well in 2015 he was on $425k per season at the knights

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 5c92718479

He resigned at the beginning of 2017, coming off a hot season in 2016. So I think he would be close to $750k a season.

afgtnk · Post by **afgtnk** » July 20, 2019, 3:00 pm

Surprised to see that Croker's goalkicking has dropped below 75% and we're currently fourth last for conversion percentage in the NRL. Defend him all you want but he's definitely regressed further this season, after a slight drop last year. At the moment there's eight kickers above 80% who are their teams' main kicker.

If he can't improve it then me thinks we make use out of Sezer whilst he's still here. Silly to persist with a guy kicking in the mid 70s if we've got a guy proven to be in the 80-85% range waiting in the wings, and especially given how small the margins have become in the comp.

raiderskater · Post by **raiderskater** » July 20, 2019, 3:44 pm

afgtnk wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 3:00 pm Surprised to see that Croker's goalkicking has dropped below 75% and we're currently fourth last for conversion percentage in the NRL. Defend him all you want but he's definitely regressed further this season, after a slight drop last year. At the moment there's eight kickers above 80% who are their teams' main kicker.

If he can't improve it then me thinks we make use out of Sezer whilst he's still here. Silly to persist with a guy kicking in the mid 70s if we've got a guy proven to be in the 80-85% range waiting in the wings, and especially given how small the margins have become in the comp.

Oh my god. Stop. Just stop.

Has it lost us a game? No. Will it lose us a game? No. Will he kick a lot better when the wind isn't making the ball do ****ing s-bends in the air? Of course.

He's had multiple games this year where he's kicked well over 80% (and quite a few he's kicked 100%). The simple fact that he had to take so many conversions last weekend into trash wind damaged his percentage.

And once again, since apparently this concept is too simple for some of your simple minds: the kicker will only get better at kicking BY KICKING.

afgtnk · Post by **afgtnk** » July 20, 2019, 4:03 pm

Right on cue, out comes the emotional drivel when a favourite is attacked with basic facts.

We all want him to improve, hopefully he does.

gerg · Post by **gerg** » July 20, 2019, 5:06 pm

afgtnk wrote:Surprised to see that Croker's goalkicking has dropped below 75% and we're currently fourth last for conversion percentage in the NRL. Defend him all you want but he's definitely regressed further this season, after a slight drop last year. At the moment there's eight kickers above 80% who are their teams' main kicker.

If he can't improve it then me thinks we make use out of Sezer whilst he's still here. Silly to persist with a guy kicking in the mid 70s if we've got a guy proven to be in the 80-85% range waiting in the wings, and especially given how small the margins have become in the comp.

A few weeks back you were waiting at Raiders training to run over Sezer in your car, now you're best mates. Did he finally return your calls?

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-PJ- · Post by **-PJ-** » July 20, 2019, 7:45 pm

The skips stepped up hasn't he ?

Great try saving tackle, rattled bones, I felt it in Lake Mac.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » July 20, 2019, 8:04 pm

4 from 4 with the boot too

raiderskater · Post by **raiderskater** » July 20, 2019, 8:21 pm

afgtnk wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 4:03 pm Right on cue, out comes the emotional drivel when a favourite is attacked with basic facts.

We all want him to improve, hopefully he does.

Hi, alphabet! Did you enjoy tonight's game? That 4 from 4 kicking really made the difference! And of course Croker's incredible defence - and Sezer had a magnificent game! You must have loved it!

BadnMean · Post by **BadnMean** » July 20, 2019, 8:23 pm

raiderskater wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 8:21 pm
afgtnk wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 4:03 pm Right on cue, out comes the emotional drivel when a favourite is attacked with basic facts.

We all want him to improve, hopefully he does.
Hi, alphabet! Did you enjoy tonight's game? That 4 from 4 kicking really made the difference! And of course Croker's incredible defence - and Sezer had a magnificent game! You must have loved it!

Nothing is sweeter than shadenfreude...

Sezer still hit legs 45 times. But his defence was crucial again. And he played well.

Toots Jnr was massive.

thedevilingreen · Post by **thedevilingreen** » July 20, 2019, 9:54 pm

afgtnk wrote:Right on cue, out comes the emotional drivel when a favourite is attacked with basic facts.

We all want him to improve, hopefully he does.

Jesus job complete with Sezer time to move on to the next player. Can't wait till he starts on Papa.

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Post by **greeneyed** » July 20, 2019, 10:38 pm

How awesome was that try saving tackle from Jarrod Croker tonight, with the game in the balance!? He was very good in defence, though the Tigers targeted the left side for the Raiders. They actually probably got more of the line breaks down the right side in the end.

Begbie · Post by **Begbie** » July 20, 2019, 11:22 pm

greeneyed wrote: ↑July 20, 2019, 10:38 pm How awesome was that try saving tackle from Jarrod Croker tonight, with the game in the balance!? He was very good in defence, though the Tigers targeted the left side for the Raiders. They actually probably got more of the line breaks down the right side in the end.

It was pretty good to watch. Even better is slow motion. He's been very good of late.

KingDynamite · Post by **KingDynamite** » July 21, 2019, 8:08 am

How sad is this thread. Lovely to see Crokes going full sticky and rubbing it right in your faces!!

Johno · Post by **Johno** » July 21, 2019, 10:48 am

KingDynamite wrote: ↑July 21, 2019, 8:08 am How sad is this thread. Lovely to see Crokes going full sticky and rubbing it right in your faces!!

Croker as well as Sezer have done some rubbing in a certain persons face the last 2 weeks....

Gotta say it made me chuckle

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » July 21, 2019, 11:15 am

KingDynamite wrote:How sad is this thread. Lovely to see Crokes going full sticky and rubbing it right in your faces!!

Cowards have gone quiet everywhere

Billy Walker · Post by **Billy Walker** » July 21, 2019, 3:09 pm

Croker has put in two very good games the last two weeks. Great to see and long may it last.

Doesn’t convince me the inherent defensive flaw in his game won’t cost us a final but I’m pleased to see his current vein of form.

raiderskater · Post by **raiderskater** » July 21, 2019, 3:11 pm

Billy Walker wrote: ↑July 21, 2019, 3:09 pm Croker has put in two very good games the last two weeks. Great to see and long may it last.

Doesn’t convince me the inherent defensive flaw in his game won’t cost us a final but I’m pleased to see his current vein of form.

It didn't cost us the last time we played finals. It won't this time.

Ultima · Post by **Ultima** » July 21, 2019, 4:10 pm

lol, Insane this has gone on so long... Now the "lets save some cap space" crap, you realise he is the only player we have who qualifies for the loyalty discount right? He costs us nothing in cap space because of that so unless you can replace the highest point scorer, try scorer, current co-captain, soon to be most games in Green player for some imaginary better player for minimal wage why are you morons even trying this angle?

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 21, 2019, 4:18 pm

Billy Walker wrote:Croker has put in two very good games the last two weeks. Great to see and long may it last.

Doesn’t convince me the inherent defensive flaw in his game won’t cost us a final but I’m pleased to see his current vein of form.

I’m with you Billy, my opinion remains the same.

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 21, 2019, 4:20 pm

Ultima wrote:lol, Insane this has gone on so long... Now the "lets save some cap space" crap, you realise he is the only player we have who qualifies for the loyalty discount right? He costs us nothing in cap space because of that so unless you can replace the highest point scorer, try scorer, current co-captain, soon to be most games in Green player for some imaginary better player for minimal wage why are you morons even trying this angle?

How much do you think the loyalty discount cap is? It’s like $50,000 if that once you split it across every other player that qualifies.

LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 21, 2019, 4:21 pm

The Rickman wrote:
KingDynamite wrote:How sad is this thread. Lovely to see Crokes going full sticky and rubbing it right in your faces!!
Cowards have gone quiet everywhere

How are we cowards Rickman compared to the **** you post on here at times. It’s same same different topics.

Cowards are people who don’t stand behind what they post... we are still here

Ultima · Post by **Ultima** » July 21, 2019, 4:25 pm

LastRaider wrote: ↑July 21, 2019, 4:20 pm
Ultima wrote:lol, Insane this has gone on so long... Now the "lets save some cap space" crap, you realise he is the only player we have who qualifies for the loyalty discount right? He costs us nothing in cap space because of that so unless you can replace the highest point scorer, try scorer, current co-captain, soon to be most games in Green player for some imaginary better player for minimal wage why are you morons even trying this angle?
How much do you think the loyalty discount cap is? It’s like $50,000 if that once you split it across every other player that qualifies.

Minimum wage next year is $120,000, the discount is $200,000 for someone at the club for ten years or someone in the NRL for more than eight straight. I can't see us "splitting it up" at all (not that it really makes any difference).

Considering how hard it is for us to get players which rep player do you think we can pull to Canberra at short notice for less than $500k who would be willing to take the place of a local favourite (which he is as I really feel the overly vocal idiots are a minority).

Raider Azz · Post by **Raider Azz** » July 21, 2019, 6:46 pm

LastRaider wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
KingDynamite wrote:How sad is this thread. Lovely to see Crokes going full sticky and rubbing it right in your faces!!
Cowards have gone quiet everywhere
How are we cowards Rickman compared to the **** you post on here at times. It’s same same different topics.

Cowards are people who don’t stand behind what they post... we are still here

Coward.

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LastRaider · Post by **LastRaider** » July 21, 2019, 7:04 pm

Ultima wrote:
LastRaider wrote: ↑July 21, 2019, 4:20 pm
Ultima wrote:lol, Insane this has gone on so long... Now the "lets save some cap space" crap, you realise he is the only player we have who qualifies for the loyalty discount right? He costs us nothing in cap space because of that so unless you can replace the highest point scorer, try scorer, current co-captain, soon to be most games in Green player for some imaginary better player for minimal wage why are you morons even trying this angle?
How much do you think the loyalty discount cap is? It’s like $50,000 if that once you split it across every other player that qualifies.
Minimum wage next year is $120,000, the discount is $200,000 for someone at the club for ten years or someone in the NRL for more than eight straight. I can't see us "splitting it up" at all (not that it really makes any difference).

Considering how hard it is for us to get players which rep player do you think we can pull to Canberra at short notice for less than $500k who would be willing to take the place of a local favourite (which he is as I really feel the overly vocal idiots are a minority).

I’m not suggesting to recruit anyone. My opinion is we retain Rapana and more Cotric to centre with BJ and have Simonnson as our full time winger

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