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I nominate the greatest loser in NRL history as the most inane debate the GH has ever seen.
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I didn't have you in mind.Rickmando wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 2:45 pmNot just that, but the consistent aggressive and offensive language, and the insults from the collective in this discussion have been conveniently overlooked... but because I’m taking an unpopular position on a topic, I’m a troll?
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I took it that way. I started the thread (and I’ve owned it throughout). I didn’t see anyone as trolling in particular on either side of the argument, but felt as though your comment was aimed at myself and others who are questioning the status quo.greeneyed wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 5:24 pmI didn't have you in mind.Rickmando wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 2:45 pmNot just that, but the consistent aggressive and offensive language, and the insults from the collective in this discussion have been conveniently overlooked... but because I’m taking an unpopular position on a topic, I’m a troll?
Btw, I know this is all just opinions on the Internet, and I also know that Rick will fire all the other 29 players before JC. That’s reality. I’m just trying to open up minds to the possibilities, whether it’s perceived as ridiculous or not.
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I clearly am a worse judge of NRL player than others here, but talent and roster management and all the rest of it aside, in a sport full of some pretty bloody average human beings, Croker is a guy I am proud to have captain the team I support.
You hear a lot about 'building culture' in a team...Croker is the guy I'd want there, daylight second.
The fact that he's a point scoring machine and a very decent NRL centre is a bonus.
This is an absolutely ridiculous thread.
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You hear a lot about 'building culture' in a team...Croker is the guy I'd want there, daylight second.
The fact that he's a point scoring machine and a very decent NRL centre is a bonus.
This is an absolutely ridiculous thread.
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Imagine if we applied the same logic being tossed around here to Wighton’s move out of fullback. Unless we could point to half a dozen better fullbacks at other clubs we shouldn’t have considered moving him. Unless there is a ready made replacement we shouldn’t consider it. Guess what we did it and have ended up with a bloody good 6 and a bloke named CNK. Rest easy guys - we will find a better centre and a goal kicker when Croker croaks!
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Imagine if you applied the same effort to canning Wighton for his debacle of a game last night, and constant errors
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I remember one year the annual Croker thread started after the Nines. So we have improved a bit
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Essentially you are noting that there has been a long held view that Croker isn’t up to it, but somehow that’s the fault of the people holding the view rather than the average footballer the view is about.... some broken logic there I’d say.
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Imagine if you applied some logic....Billy Walker wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 6:15 pm Imagine if we applied the same logic being tossed around here to Wighton’s move out of fullback. Unless we could point to half a dozen better fullbacks at other clubs we shouldn’t have considered moving him. Unless there is a ready made replacement we shouldn’t consider it. Guess what we did it and have ended up with a bloody good 6 and a bloke named CNK. Rest easy guys - we will find a better centre and a goal kicker when Croker croaks!
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If you say so.Billy Walker wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 7:13 pmEssentially you are noting that there has been a long held view that Croker isn’t up to it, but somehow that’s the fault of the people holding the view rather than the average footballer the view is about.... some broken logic there I’d say.
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Yeah, Croker is the only one on that list who's NOT a grubby, cheating, worthless piece of **** of a human.Billy Walker wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 4:42 pm Gal, Cam Smith, Croker - reminds me of that old Sesame Street song... “One of these things is not like the other ones, one of these things is not quite the same...”.
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Um, it literally is just three of you, at this point, making all sorts of convoluted mental gymnastics.Billy Walker wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 2:45 pm It’s not just one or two people calling time on him - the drums are beating louder. Dismiss it all you like but where there’s smoke there’s fire.
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So that makes it really only two ACTUAL raiders fansraiderskater wrote:Um, it literally is just three of you, at this point, making all sorts of convoluted mental gymnastics.Billy Walker wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 2:45 pm It’s not just one or two people calling time on him - the drums are beating louder. Dismiss it all you like but where there’s smoke there’s fire.
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Great game last night skip...
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I thought croker was far far better then simonsson last night for what its worth.
Croker turned a quarter of a chance into a try.
Simonsson got 3 or 4 half chances and only converted one of them. Cotric probably puts in 3 of them.
For me Crokers attack is absolutely fine, its whether his defence is on or not and to be fair his contact has improved dramatically over the past 5 years.
Croker turned a quarter of a chance into a try.
Simonsson got 3 or 4 half chances and only converted one of them. Cotric probably puts in 3 of them.
For me Crokers attack is absolutely fine, its whether his defence is on or not and to be fair his contact has improved dramatically over the past 5 years.
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Nathan Merritt. David Williams. Justin Poore.Northern Raider wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 12:08 pmReasonable assessment but not being an "Origin level player" is no grounds to be terminating a player's contract or dropping them to reserve grade as a few have argued in this thread.Wiki Special wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 11:50 am I will start by saying I want Croker in my side. Great Raider. Great bloke. But he is not an Origin level player. He is a good First Grader and point scoring machine whose defence is average, attack good, goal kicking above average.
Anyway want is an "Origin level player"?
Croker would do just fine in Origin if given a chance. He hasn't had his best season this year, but he is still easily in the top third of centres in the comp.
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Croker had an absolutely brilliant game, as is much more common than some of the cowards around here would let you believe.
When he scored his try my missus said to me "How come he never plays origin?" and I replied with "because NSW selectors are ****"
When he scored his try my missus said to me "How come he never plays origin?" and I replied with "because NSW selectors are ****"
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When he scored his try my missus said to me" settle down you dropkick"The Rickman wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 11:57 am Croker had an absolutely brilliant game, as is much more common than some of the cowards around here would let you believe.
When he scored his try my missus said to me "How come he never plays origin?" and I replied with "because NSW selectors are ****"
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He had a very good game last night. Missed a few kicks in what were horrible conditions. There is no doubt he has a lot of good games in him, sadly he also has very costly poor defensive decisions in him that appear at bad times. Last night he was good.
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Like every single centre in the comp when their position is naturally defending against guys like Latrell Mitchell, Joey Leilua or Jarrod Croker.Billy Walker wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 12:34 pmHe had a very good game last night. Missed a few kicks in what were horrible conditions. There is no doubt he has a lot of good games in him, sadly he also has very costly poor defensive decisions in him that appear at bad times. Last night he was good.
Enough of this madness, Greenhouse. The bloke just broke the tryscoring record for our club.
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Josh Morris the "best defensive centre in rugby league" has had several shockers this year too. I don't think any were at 'good' times in the game. Comes with the territory.The Rickman wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 12:37 pmLike every single centre in the comp when their position is naturally defending against guys like Latrell Mitchell, Joey Leilua or Jarrod Croker.Billy Walker wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 12:34 pmHe had a very good game last night. Missed a few kicks in what were horrible conditions. There is no doubt he has a lot of good games in him, sadly he also has very costly poor defensive decisions in him that appear at bad times. Last night he was good.
Enough of this madness, Greenhouse. The bloke just broke the tryscoring record for our club.
....and don't get me started on Will Chambers.
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Every single centre in the comp defends against other centres, there's none, absolutely NONE that don't let the occasional tries in. This conversation is ludicrous.
The guy is topping the charts for tries scored for the club, the next four best are the other Croker, Brett Mullins, Mal Meninga and Laurie Daley. He's up there with (and ahead of) other absolute legends of the club. This madness needs to stop.
The guy is topping the charts for tries scored for the club, the next four best are the other Croker, Brett Mullins, Mal Meninga and Laurie Daley. He's up there with (and ahead of) other absolute legends of the club. This madness needs to stop.
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Although my opinion of Croker hasn’t changed (ie we should move him on and have Simonnson and Cotric on the right edge), Croker had a fantastic game last night. Really impressed with his attack, it’s as if he gained another leg.
Defence was relatively untested however I think Defending outside of Wighton isn’t helping. Wighton has a real up and in mentality when he needs to know when to slide. (Wighton actually did this well in SOO, but in club games he doesn’t appear to think that way)
Defence was relatively untested however I think Defending outside of Wighton isn’t helping. Wighton has a real up and in mentality when he needs to know when to slide. (Wighton actually did this well in SOO, but in club games he doesn’t appear to think that way)
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We should move him on AND play him on the right?LastRaider wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 12:58 pm Although my opinion of Croker hasn’t changed (ie we should move him on and have Simonnson and Croker on the right edge), Croker had a fantastic game last night. Really impressed with his attack, it’s as if he gained another leg.
Defence was relatively untested however I think Defending outside of Wighton isn’t helping. Wighton is moving up and in where he needs to know when to slide. (Wighton actually did this well in SOO)
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Sorry, I mean’t Cotric. I fixed itFinchy wrote:We should move him on AND play him on the right?LastRaider wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 12:58 pm Although my opinion of Croker hasn’t changed (ie we should move him on and have Simonnson and Croker on the right edge), Croker had a fantastic game last night. Really impressed with his attack, it’s as if he gained another leg.
Defence was relatively untested however I think Defending outside of Wighton isn’t helping. Wighton is moving up and in where he needs to know when to slide. (Wighton actually did this well in SOO)
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Hahaha this is incredible stuff from our so-called "fan" base.Finchy wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 1:00 pmWe should move him on AND play him on the right?LastRaider wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 12:58 pm Although my opinion of Croker hasn’t changed (ie we should move him on and have Simonnson and Croker on the right edge), Croker had a fantastic game last night. Really impressed with his attack, it’s as if he gained another leg.
Defence was relatively untested however I think Defending outside of Wighton isn’t helping. Wighton is moving up and in where he needs to know when to slide. (Wighton actually did this well in SOO)
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Another awful game from Crokes. Scored 1, set 1 up, saved 1. Sick of him. He's definitely the reason we're only third. Imagine if we had a decent centre.
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so not have anyone on the left but play double right side? i like where your head's at.LastRaider wrote:Although my opinion of Croker hasn’t changed (ie we should move him on and have Simonnson and Cotric on the right edge), Croker had a fantastic game last night. Really impressed with his attack, it’s as if he gained another leg.
Defence was relatively untested however I think Defending outside of Wighton isn’t helping. Wighton has a real up and in mentality when he needs to know when to slide. (Wighton actually did this well in SOO, but in club games he doesn’t appear to think that way)
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We could go old school and have inside and outside centres.bonehead wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 1:49 pmso not have anyone on the left but play double right side? i like where your head's at.LastRaider wrote:Although my opinion of Croker hasn’t changed (ie we should move him on and have Simonnson and Cotric on the right edge), Croker had a fantastic game last night. Really impressed with his attack, it’s as if he gained another leg.
Defence was relatively untested however I think Defending outside of Wighton isn’t helping. Wighton has a real up and in mentality when he needs to know when to slide. (Wighton actually did this well in SOO, but in club games he doesn’t appear to think that way)
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At this point in time, im not convinced simonsson is better then croker.LastRaider wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 12:58 pm Although my opinion of Croker hasn’t changed (ie we should move him on and have Simonnson and Cotric on the right edge), Croker had a fantastic game last night. Really impressed with his attack, it’s as if he gained another leg.
Defence was relatively untested however I think Defending outside of Wighton isn’t helping. Wighton has a real up and in mentality when he needs to know when to slide. (Wighton actually did this well in SOO, but in club games he doesn’t appear to think that way)
For me it comes down to team balance.
Simonsson is bigger and stronger.
Croker seems a touch quicker, smarter and better hands.
Thus over the long term simonsson is younger, but right now I have croker ahead of him and we should be trying to contend now not later, thus I have croker in this side every day of the week over simonsson.
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Hahaha are we SERIOUSLY discussing Simonsson over Croker?? That'll deadset do me!!
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I just walked out.The Rickman wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 5:37 pm Hahaha are we SERIOUSLY discussing Simonsson over Croker?? That'll deadset do me!!
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but who's playing left????Coastalraider wrote:I just walked out.The Rickman wrote: ↑July 15, 2019, 5:37 pm Hahaha are we SERIOUSLY discussing Simonsson over Croker?? That'll deadset do me!!
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Simmo better than Toots Jr.
WOOOOOW....
When you get an idea in your head...
Far out!
WOOOOOW....
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Stupid ideas are ideas too!Matt wrote:Simmo better than Toots Jr.
WOOOOOW....
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Far out!