hobbsy wrote:So now we have lost Croker and Rapana to sign a half, (and we still don't know which half that is btw) despite the fact that next season we already had a tier 1 international and origin rep slated for our 6 and 7? Geez you'd hope whoever is coming in is really, really top class because we have just lost a wealth of experience and depth in our outside backs and I'd imagine the team would be quite unsettled after this as well.
Don’t go brining Rapana into it. The question was who do you propose we bring into the side to replace Croker that defends better and attacks as good. Then what do we do with the extra cap space to improve our chances of winning a premiership.
This has been answered and now you pivot the conversation to something else to justify the means. Classic
hobbsy wrote:So now we have lost Croker and Rapana to sign a half, (and we still don't know which half that is btw) despite the fact that next season we already had a tier 1 international and origin rep slated for our 6 and 7? Geez you'd hope whoever is coming in is really, really top class because we have just lost a wealth of experience and depth in our outside backs and I'd imagine the team would be quite unsettled after this as well.
Don’t go brining Rapana into it. The question was who do you propose we bring into the side to replace Croker that defends better and attacks as good. Then what do we do with the extra cap space to improve our chances of winning a premiership.
This has been answered and now you pivot the conversation to something else to justify the means. Classic
Is this a serious post? The last reply to me is the one that brought up Rapana because there was no answer given to which half is going to come here on Crokers salary. Try again.
Billy Walker wrote:I’m with Rickmando on this one and the size of this thread (and the NSW Origin centres) suggests many others agree. It amazes me how every other player can be questioned or queried but there is outrage if anyone looks at our bog average centre. He wasn’t horrible tonight but he isn’t brilliant either and it says a bit to me when his supporters celebrate the smallest of things his does like a head slam being strong defence. He just hasn’t got it.
Sorry pal, you lost me when you referred to our captain and the centre ranked number two amongst his peers as “bog average”. It’s just nothing but blatant trolling and you’d think after all these years you’d have learned how to be a bit more subtle, but I guess not.
Billy Walker wrote:I’m with Rickmando on this one and the size of this thread (and the NSW Origin centres) suggests many others agree. It amazes me how every other player can be questioned or queried but there is outrage if anyone looks at our bog average centre. He wasn’t horrible tonight but he isn’t brilliant either and it says a bit to me when his supporters celebrate the smallest of things his does like a head slam being strong defence. He just hasn’t got it.
Sorry pal, you lost me when you referred to our captain and the centre ranked number two amongst his peers as “bog average”. It’s just nothing but blatant trolling and you’d think after all these years you’d have learned how to be a bit more subtle, but I guess not.
I guess old habits die hard.
A guy who never represents his state or country, never wins a GF, plays in more losing games than winning games and will hold the record for playing in the most losses for the club is not in the elite class for mine.
But yeah bog average was a bit rough. I was still hurting from the loss when I posted.
Let’s agree to call him a solid contributor who has reached his used by date shall we - just stirring you now Rickman...
hobbsy wrote:So now we have lost Croker and Rapana to sign a half, (and we still don't know which half that is btw) despite the fact that next season we already had a tier 1 international and origin rep slated for our 6 and 7? Geez you'd hope whoever is coming in is really, really top class because we have just lost a wealth of experience and depth in our outside backs and I'd imagine the team would be quite unsettled after this as well.
Don’t go brining Rapana into it. The question was who do you propose we bring into the side to replace Croker that defends better and attacks as good. Then what do we do with the extra cap space to improve our chances of winning a premiership.
This has been answered and now you pivot the conversation to something else to justify the means. Classic
Is this a serious post? The last reply to me is the one that brought up Rapana because there was no answer given to which half is going to come here on Crokers salary. Try again.
Sorry Hobby’s wasn’t meant to post that on your thread
Billy Walker wrote:I’m with Rickmando on this one and the size of this thread (and the NSW Origin centres) suggests many others agree. It amazes me how every other player can be questioned or queried but there is outrage if anyone looks at our bog average centre. He wasn’t horrible tonight but he isn’t brilliant either and it says a bit to me when his supporters celebrate the smallest of things his does like a head slam being strong defence. He just hasn’t got it.
Sorry pal, you lost me when you referred to our captain and the centre ranked number two amongst his peers as “bog average”. It’s just nothing but blatant trolling and you’d think after all these years you’d have learned how to be a bit more subtle, but I guess not.
I guess old habits die hard.
A guy who never represents his state or country, never wins a GF, plays in more losing games than winning games and will hold the record for playing in the most losses for the club is not in the elite class for mine.
But yeah bog average was a bit rough. I was still hurting from the loss when I posted.
Let’s agree to call him a solid contributor who has reached his used by date shall we - just stirring you now Rickman...
This post is absolute insanity. There have been many, many experts - unbiased ones - who have long stated that Croker is incredibly unlucky not to have played Origin or for Australia. Actually, I distinctly remember the Australian coach saying that Croker would have been one of the first picked in 2016 - had he not been injured in our semi against the Storm.
Never won a GF - none of the current Raiders players have! A lot of very good players at other clubs haven't either! How is that solely on Croker?
Again - losses - how are all of those on Croker? He would have been playing amongst some genuine garbage in quite a few of those games. I fail to see how it's a reflection on Croker. You play in a lot of games, you're going to play in a lot of losses. That's the nature of the beast.
The mental gymnastics involved in this "logic" is absolutely **** ridiculous.
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I will start by saying I want Croker in my side. Great Raider. Great bloke. But he is not an Origin level player. He is a good First Grader and point scoring machine whose defence is average, attack good, goal kicking above average.
Wiki Special wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 11:50 am
I will start by saying I want Croker in my side. Great Raider. Great bloke. But he is not an Origin level player. He is a good First Grader and point scoring machine whose defence is average, attack good, goal kicking above average.
I’d agree with that - But I suspect he is earning $$ that exceed that assessment. I also think a club like Melbourne would be looking to upgrade a player fitting that assessment.
Wiki Special wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 11:50 am
I will start by saying I want Croker in my side. Great Raider. Great bloke. But he is not an Origin level player. He is a good First Grader and point scoring machine whose defence is average, attack good, goal kicking above average.
Reasonable assessment but not being an "Origin level player" is no grounds to be terminating a player's contract or dropping them to reserve grade as a few have argued in this thread.
Anyway want is an "Origin level player"?
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Wiki Special wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 11:50 am
I will start by saying I want Croker in my side. Great Raider. Great bloke. But he is not an Origin level player. He is a good First Grader and point scoring machine whose defence is average, attack good, goal kicking above average.
Yep, he’s a very good club centre who is not quite good enough to be a regular origin centre.
I think in a situation like this year, when there was a ton of injuries, had he got a call up, he’d have done his job well enough but yeah there is always going to be better options available at full strength
Wiki Special wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 11:50 am
I will start by saying I want Croker in my side. Great Raider. Great bloke. But he is not an Origin level player. He is a good First Grader and point scoring machine whose defence is average, attack good, goal kicking above average.
Reasonable assessment but not being an "Origin level player" is no grounds to be terminating a player's contract or dropping them to reserve grade as a few have argued in this thread.
Anyway want is an "Origin level player"?
Origin level player refers to those really elite players like Dylan Walker, Justin O'Neil, Jamie Buhrer, James Roberts, Ryan O'Hara, Nathan Merrit, Moses Mbye, Tim Grant, Kade Snowden, Justin Poore etc.
Gee I love the 'never won a premiership' thing to justify a player's worth. Or 'he's won a premiership so he must be a gun' line of thinking. It's hilarious people actually think that. Shane Perry has won a premiership. Bryan Norrie has won a premiership. Ricky Leutele has won a premiership. Could go all day.
But next season, there’s a very real probability we have 2 better centres in Cotric and BJ and 2 better wingers in Rapana and Simonnson.
Not that much point comparing Croker to the rest of competitions centres, unless we’re discussing the likelihood of another team picking him up. And if you add Croker to many other clubs backlines, it would appear they’d be upgrading if he joined them. Which means we should have no trouble offloading him.
Bottom line, if BJ comes back in 2020 (everything is so far pointing to yes), Croker’s not in my starting side and his money would be better spent elsewhere.
I'm thoroughly enjoying this fallacy that as it stands Cotric, who has played 4 NRL games at centre is a better Centre than Croker who has played 245 there
-TW- wrote:I'm thoroughly enjoying this fallacy that as it stands Cotric, who has played 4 NRL games at centre is a better Centre than Croker who has played 245 there
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And now all of a sudden we have Bailey Simonsson in the starting team above him!
-TW- wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 12:46 pm
I'm thoroughly enjoying this fallacy that as it stands Cotric, who has played 4 NRL games at centre is a better Centre than Croker who has played 245 there
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So why, after 245 games, can he still not defend at even an average level???
Why didn’t he use his 245 games of experience last night to wrap up the tiny Mitch Moses, who had been slowed up by the first line of defence, instead of timidly trying to jersey-grab him like an under 12’s player?
-TW- wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 12:46 pm
I'm thoroughly enjoying this fallacy that as it stands Cotric, who has played 4 NRL games at centre is a better Centre than Croker who has played 245 there
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So why, after 245 games, can he still not defend at even an average level???
Why didn’t he use his 245 games of experience last night to wrap up the tiny Mitch Moses, who had been slowed up by the first line of defence, instead of timidly trying to jersey-grab him like an under 12’s player?
Why didn't any of the two other players who Moses also ran through wrap him up, either?
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I'm attacking in the right way, instead of just...attacking in the general direction. - Max Aaron (also eerily apropos for the Green Machine)
-TW- wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 12:46 pm
I'm thoroughly enjoying this fallacy that as it stands Cotric, who has played 4 NRL games at centre is a better Centre than Croker who has played 245 there
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So why, after 245 games, can he still not defend at even an average level???
Why didn’t he use his 245 games of experience last night to wrap up the tiny Mitch Moses, who had been slowed up by the first line of defence, instead of timidly trying to jersey-grab him like an under 12’s player?
May as well fold the organisation if we're dropping every player to ever miss a tackle leading to a try
-TW- wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 12:46 pm
I'm thoroughly enjoying this fallacy that as it stands Cotric, who has played 4 NRL games at centre is a better Centre than Croker who has played 245 there
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So why, after 245 games, can he still not defend at even an average level???
Why didn’t he use his 245 games of experience last night to wrap up the tiny Mitch Moses, who had been slowed up by the first line of defence, instead of timidly trying to jersey-grab him like an under 12’s player?
This post is absolute **** garbage too, he absolutely can defend at an “average level”. He gets found out occasionally, as does every single centre in the game but he stops a hell of a lot more tries than he lets in
You people are all **** nuts
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-TW- wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 12:46 pm
I'm thoroughly enjoying this fallacy that as it stands Cotric, who has played 4 NRL games at centre is a better Centre than Croker who has played 245 there
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So why, after 245 games, can he still not defend at even an average level???
Why didn’t he use his 245 games of experience last night to wrap up the tiny Mitch Moses, who had been slowed up by the first line of defence, instead of timidly trying to jersey-grab him like an under 12’s player?
May as well fold the organisation if we're dropping every player to ever miss a tackle leading to a try
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Half our team gets dropped after that Moses try then. Who’s even playing next game?
-TW- wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 12:46 pm
I'm thoroughly enjoying this fallacy that as it stands Cotric, who has played 4 NRL games at centre is a better Centre than Croker who has played 245 there
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So why, after 245 games, can he still not defend at even an average level???
Why didn’t he use his 245 games of experience last night to wrap up the tiny Mitch Moses, who had been slowed up by the first line of defence, instead of timidly trying to jersey-grab him like an under 12’s player?
Why didn't any of the two other players who Moses also ran through wrap him up, either?
Whitehead on the initial miss and CNK on the last miss get a free pass it seems.
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-TW- wrote: ↑June 30, 2019, 12:46 pm
I'm thoroughly enjoying this fallacy that as it stands Cotric, who has played 4 NRL games at centre is a better Centre than Croker who has played 245 there
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So why, after 245 games, can he still not defend at even an average level???
Why didn’t he use his 245 games of experience last night to wrap up the tiny Mitch Moses, who had been slowed up by the first line of defence, instead of timidly trying to jersey-grab him like an under 12’s player?
Why didn't any of the two other players who Moses also ran through wrap him up, either?
Whitehead on the initial miss and CNK on the last miss get a free pass it seems.
Both poor efforts also. But it’s not a Whitehead/CNK thread. Croker actually had by far the easiest assignment of all of the missed tackles, whilst Moses was slowed down/off balance.
Having a differing opinion to the majority doesn’t make me a troll.
That’s a very weak and biased statement from a moderator. Do you not encourage two sides of a debate on the GH?
Comrade Croker is beyond reproach.
Not just that, but the consistent aggressive and offensive language, and the insults from the collective in this discussion have been conveniently overlooked... but because I’m taking an unpopular position on a topic, I’m a troll?
Billy Walker wrote:It’s not just one or two people calling time on him - the drums are beating louder. Dismiss it all you like but where there’s smoke there’s fire.
So with Sezer almost likely to be moved on next year and if you had your way, Croker gone too. Who is kicking goals?
Cotric is a better winger than he is centre, and Croker is a better player than Simonsonn
The drums aren’t beating at all except in the heads of a select few cowards.
The equation is simple - CNK, Cotric, Croker, Beej, Rapana (or simo if rapana leaves)
That’ll be the backline next year assuming Beej is back, as it should be, and y’all best just get used to it.
Billy Walker wrote:It’s not just one or two people calling time on him - the drums are beating louder. Dismiss it all you like but where there’s smoke there’s fire.
So with Sezer almost likely to be moved on next year and if you had your way, Croker gone too. Who is kicking goals?