zim wrote: ↑April 17, 2019, 11:40 pm
This is men vs boys. A big reason the broncos are floundering is their middle has an average age of 12.
20 - Payne Hass
23 - Joe Ofahengaue
19 - David Fifita
19 - Thomas Flegler
21 - Patrick Carrigan
21 - Jaydn Su'A
Staggs is 20 and Shibasaki is 21.
We should be bullying them out of this like we have the last 2 weeks.
Past broncos sides have not only had talent they've had far better mobility than us. That's not how it is anymore.
Yep, bang on.
On The Matty Johns show the other night, Tallis was hammering on about how the Bronco's aren't playing for the jersey and that on paper they're a top four side and should be up there with the Roosters and Storm. Parker was agreeing with him. I've heard Lockyer express similar sentiments on Nine.
The Bronco's commentators/cheerleaders have had it so good for so long that they just can't see what's in front of them any longer - the Broncos roster just isn't that great.
Look at their spine. As you pointed out, their middle forwards are all kids. Their hooker is an ok club player who'd never have gotten a rep jersey if he didn't play for the Ponies. They have, by far, the worst organising halves in the game - and one of them isn't even a half, he's a fullback who's been forced to play in the line and is carrying too much weight for his frame. Their fullback is a pensioner who refuses to put his body on the line, and their outside backs are all over-paid prima donnas or kids who haven't kicked on with their rookie development.
About the only place where they're ok is their backrow. But even then it's thin.
Ive been thinking for a while about this - everyone goes on about how Brisbane and the Roosters are spending way over the cap, and all the advantages Brisbane have in a one team town etc - but I cant see any value in their squad at all. Also I can deny the advantages, they have just spent so badly - Milford is being played so far away from his strengths you could get eh same output from Sezer most days at half the price. Spending a mill on Bird was madness. Boyd is well past it. outside of that - where does all this money go???
Id rate our squad over theirs this year, and we are forever complaining about how much we have to pay 'overs' for players to come!
Sid wrote:Whilst this year the bronco's have been underachieving for where they should be at broncos standard, as a regular NRL team I don't think they' stink as badly as the criticism they've been copping.
So far this season they've lost to the 2 top teams who appear to be well ahead of every other team, beaten the Cowboys and taken Dragons and Tigers to the last minute of their games.
I commented a few weeks ago that this predicament the Broncos are in should have really happened last year. They got some incredibly favourable calls and realistically should have been battling for a spot in the 8 with us and the Tigers but instead they were talked up too much and their young guys have obviously read the press over the offseason.
zim wrote: ↑April 17, 2019, 11:40 pm
This is men vs boys. A big reason the broncos are floundering is their middle has an average age of 12.
20 - Payne Hass
23 - Joe Ofahengaue
19 - David Fifita
19 - Thomas Flegler
21 - Patrick Carrigan
21 - Jaydn Su'A
Staggs is 20 and Shibasaki is 21.
We should be bullying them out of this like we have the last 2 weeks.
Past broncos sides have not only had talent they've had far better mobility than us. That's not how it is anymore.
Thats a fair observation. Not sure its been their issue however. last week vs Tigers their focus was rolling up the middle 3rd. It worked OK in that aspect. They made good metres and Tiger's middle forwards rattled up some massive tackle numbers in that opening half. It was the inability of their playmakers to take advantage was their problem.
Bronco may be young in the middle but I wouldn't underestimate them.
I agree that lack of experience in the forwards is certainly not their only issue. I don't think I'm underestimating them. They have talented forwards that will perform fine in spurts. That lack of experience is telling over 80mins. If we **** the bed early in defence and they get a roll on they'll look like a million bucks. If we just grind it out and make them earn it like past weeks they'll provide plenty of opportunities. If we get an early lead they're not coming back.
I am absolutely confident that if we show up with our minds on the job and play like we have all season that we win this game, and probably kick on with it in the second half, but in saying that, for some reason in the back of my mind there's a nagging doubt that that's going to happen.
I really, really hope I'm wrong, but I just haven't felt like that this season yet.
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The Rickman wrote: ↑April 17, 2019, 9:27 am
Apart from a few dropsies in his first couple of outings, Dynamis Lui has always been a consistent performer for the Raiders. It's one of the great Greenhouse myths that he's not very good and even that he's only playing well now but used to be rubbish. It's just now we're winning games and the whole team is playing well that people are recognising that he actually does his job quite well.
What you've seen from him for the first five weeks of the comp is how he's ALWAYS played for us, bar those couple of shaky games to start about three seasons ago.
Yeah, I totally agree. He does his job and does it well. I was far more confident in him showing up to perform than the likes of Boyd, or even Paulo over most of the past two seasons.
The Rickman wrote: ↑April 17, 2019, 9:27 am
Apart from a few dropsies in his first couple of outings, Dynamis Lui has always been a consistent performer for the Raiders. It's one of the great Greenhouse myths that he's not very good and even that he's only playing well now but used to be rubbish. It's just now we're winning games and the whole team is playing well that people are recognising that he actually does his job quite well.
What you've seen from him for the first five weeks of the comp is how he's ALWAYS played for us, bar those couple of shaky games to start about three seasons ago.
Yeah, I totally agree. He does his job and does it well. I was far more confident in him showing up to perform than the likes of Boyd, or even Paulo over most of the past two seasons.
He and Soliola were easily our best frontrowers last season, it's ridiculous that people wanted him dropped before Round 1 even kicked off this season!
KingDynamite wrote: ↑April 17, 2019, 10:28 pm
I fear this is the game where we get spanked by an enthusiastic Broncos side and it all come crashing back to earth...
Then we will have excuses about the high energy defence has drained the team but we will come good but we never do
Geez I hope the boys don't read this, all this negativity..
This is the new Raiders mate..so chill.
Plus, Broncs are tripe !!
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zim wrote: ↑April 17, 2019, 11:40 pm
This is men vs boys. A big reason the broncos are floundering is their middle has an average age of 12.
20 - Payne Hass
23 - Joe Ofahengaue
19 - David Fifita
19 - Thomas Flegler
21 - Patrick Carrigan
21 - Jaydn Su'A
Staggs is 20 and Shibasaki is 21.
We should be bullying them out of this like we have the last 2 weeks.
Past broncos sides have not only had talent they've had far better mobility than us. That's not how it is anymore.
Yep, bang on.
On The Matty Johns show the other night, Tallis was hammering on about how the Bronco's aren't playing for the jersey and that on paper they're a top four side and should be up there with the Roosters and Storm. Parker was agreeing with him. I've heard Lockyer express similar sentiments on Nine.
The Bronco's commentators/cheerleaders have had it so good for so long that they just can't see what's in front of them any longer - the Broncos roster just isn't that great.
Look at their spine. As you pointed out, their middle forwards are all kids. Their hooker is an ok club player who'd never have gotten a rep jersey if he didn't play for the Ponies. They have, by far, the worst organising halves in the game - and one of them isn't even a half, he's a fullback who's been forced to play in the line and is carrying too much weight for his frame. Their fullback is a pensioner who refuses to put his body on the line, and their outside backs are all over-paid prima donnas or kids who haven't kicked on with their rookie development.
About the only place where they're ok is their backrow. But even then it's thin.
Ive been thinking for a while about this - everyone goes on about how Brisbane and the Roosters are spending way over the cap, and all the advantages Brisbane have in a one team town etc - but I cant see any value in their squad at all. Also I can deny the advantages, they have just spent so badly - Milford is being played so far away from his strengths you could get eh same output from Sezer most days at half the price. Spending a mill on Bird was madness. Boyd is well past it. outside of that - where does all this money go???
Id rate our squad over theirs this year, and we are forever complaining about how much we have to pay 'overs' for players to come!
Seems to me that, considering the young age of their team, they're doing ok. Losing by 1 point to a middle of the road team with plenty of experience aint bad really. Tallis and Parker have the Broncos bias where they think their whole team is full of stars and cant understand why they aren't winning more games. Bit like us.
Maybe they're talented, but the lack of experience is the problem. Maybe in a year or two they'll be contenders.
We should knock em over if we keep up our form of the past couple of weeks.
EDIT I’ve been bagging them about how bad the broncos have been going mate, nothing about us being premiership material.
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1992 wrote:Reading the Donkeys forum is a good laugh.
They have one of the best teams and should be up near the top. Hahahaha. Hate broncos fans.
The forum is bad and they should feel bad
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1992 wrote:Anyone else liking Havilii off the bench? Stocky guy who makes good post contact metres and just does his job. He and Lui are going about their job with no fuss. Love it.
I'm liking Havilii off the bench very much indeed.
If we are going to carry a utility like Havilii, I would like to see him go to 9 and push Hodgson to first receiver in the last 20 mins to give us another creative option late in the piece especially when we are struggling a bit in attack like the last couple of weeks and Wighton being a bit hot and cold.
Be a good option to have at our disposal come finals time.
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Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate. John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate. John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
J. Bateman and Whitehead are going to be imperitive to victory this week. They need to keep doing the great job they have in holding our edges firm defensively while putting pressure on the opposing halves.
1992 wrote:Anyone else liking Havilii off the bench? Stocky guy who makes good post contact metres and just does his job. He and Lui are going about their job with no fuss. Love it.
I'm liking Havilii off the bench very much indeed.
If we are going to carry a utility like Havilii, I would like to see him go to 9 and push Hodgson to first receiver in the last 20 mins to give us another creative option late in the piece especially when we are struggling a bit in attack like the last couple of weeks and Wighton being a bit hot and cold.
Be a good option to have at our disposal come finals time.
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We have one of the best no9's in the game. Don't want to fall into the trap of playing him out of position to try and cover for issues in other areas.
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Wiki Special wrote: ↑April 19, 2019, 10:56 am
J. Bateman and Whitehead are going to be imperitive to victory this week. They need to keep doing the great job they have in holding our edges firm defensively while putting pressure on the opposing halves.
Reckon Bateman will do his job regardless. He's looking like a very bankable commodity.
Yes, would like to see Whitehead continue what he's done in recent weeks. That being a defensive beast. We know he's capable of more in attack bit he's proving extremely valuable in shutting down opposition plays before they get rolling. Hopefully he maintains the energy in this area. Wouldn't want his effect blunted because we're trying to get a few more hit ups from him.
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"As a starting pack we've got to start well if we don’t do that as a whole pack other teams will start rolling us," Sutton said. "We've got to take it upon ourselves as the middle forward pack to set that platform and the bench will come on and take it to that next step.
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"Corey Oates and Jack Bird, obviously those two are great players - they've played Origin," Joey Leilua said. "For me and Rapa it's making sure we keep them contained. We've just got to do our job.
