Think of that nothing bomb that gave the Bunnies a 7 tackle set, which lead to their first try. He spills it and Raiders score its a Try Assist.simo wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 12:53 pmSimilarly, people are crediting williams for a bomb that no chasers could get to that the south winger just dropped cold. Its a lucky outcome for a really average kickNorthern Raider wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 12:50 pm An effective kicking game is very difficult to quantify statistically. Their no real way to measure the nuances between a good kick and a bad one. A 20m grubber kick into touch 10m from the oppostion goal line late in a game is fantastic if its a 5th tackle when you're up by 8 points. If its the 3rd tackle and you're down by 8 its an appalling play. Statistically its almost identical.
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Having another look Sezer has 4 kick errors in 2 games. I remember him kicking into opposition players a lot in those 2 games, so it must be charge downs and kicks out on the full.
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It wasn't the standard easy to catch bomb, he spiralled it, which you do to make it harder to catch and got a result. You do give a kicker credit for choosing the right kind of kick to get just a little edge.Northern Raider wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 12:59 pmThink of that nothing bomb that gave the Bunnies a 7 tackle set, which lead to their first try. He spills it and Raiders score its a Try Assist.simo wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 12:53 pmSimilarly, people are crediting williams for a bomb that no chasers could get to that the south winger just dropped cold. Its a lucky outcome for a really average kickNorthern Raider wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 12:50 pm An effective kicking game is very difficult to quantify statistically. Their no real way to measure the nuances between a good kick and a bad one. A 20m grubber kick into touch 10m from the oppostion goal line late in a game is fantastic if its a 5th tackle when you're up by 8 points. If its the 3rd tackle and you're down by 8 its an appalling play. Statistically its almost identical.
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They all spiral it. Its a hit and hope. Its not a “good play”
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Maybe we need stats on spiral vs rotating bombs.
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I dont think it's charge downs. I think it's just out on the full. I know Sezer had two in quick succession in general play, and then had that chip to Rapana trying to replicate the week prior and it sailed over on the full too. So Im sure he had 4 go out on the full in those two games.Roger Kenworthy wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 12:59 pm Having another look Sezer has 4 kick errors in 2 games. I remember him kicking into opposition players a lot in those 2 games, so it must be charge downs and kicks out on the full.
But as you and Rickman raised, this stat is pretty meaningless if it's not counting a 7th tackle kick or charge down as an error.
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Hodgo has 8 for the season, so it has to include charge downs or something else entirely that we aren't thinking of. It's just a crap name I think.
7th tackle set is a separate stat (Kicked Dead) so you can always add them together.
7th tackle set is a separate stat (Kicked Dead) so you can always add them together.
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No- many backspin for accuracy to target a smaller area closer to the goal line; you spiral when your own kick position (too far out) or game station- praying for that drop so try a different style of kick- require a different technique. Which he was smart enough to do.
Kick of the century? No? But was he thinking like a half and tried a play a few % smarter than the usual backspin (which is his "go to" when trying to line up for our catchers by the way so that they can catch the thing)- yes he did. So just give a little credit when it is due.
Such a nego hater.
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How does Hodgo get to 8 then? genuinely trying to figure this thing out.PigRickman wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 3:18 pmI dont think it's charge downs. I think it's just out on the full. I know Sezer had two in quick succession in general play, and then had that chip to Rapana trying to replicate the week prior and it sailed over on the full too. So Im sure he had 4 go out on the full in those two games.Roger Kenworthy wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 12:59 pm Having another look Sezer has 4 kick errors in 2 games. I remember him kicking into opposition players a lot in those 2 games, so it must be charge downs and kicks out on the full.
But as you and Rickman raised, this stat is pretty meaningless if it's not counting a 7th tackle kick or charge down as an error.
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The correct term is *checks notes* "coward"BadnMean wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 5:09 pmNo- many backspin for accuracy to target a smaller area closer to the goal line; you spiral when your own kick position (too far out) or game station- praying for that drop so try a different style of kick- require a different technique. Which he was smart enough to do.
Kick of the century? No? But was he thinking like a half and tried a play a few % smarter than the usual backspin (which is his "go to" when trying to line up for our catchers by the way so that they can catch the thing)- yes he did. So just give a little credit when it is due.
Such a nego hater.
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Hmm, thats weird hahaBadnMean wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 5:10 pmHow does Hodgo get to 8 then? genuinely trying to figure this thing out.PigRickman wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 3:18 pmI dont think it's charge downs. I think it's just out on the full. I know Sezer had two in quick succession in general play, and then had that chip to Rapana trying to replicate the week prior and it sailed over on the full too. So Im sure he had 4 go out on the full in those two games.Roger Kenworthy wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 12:59 pm Having another look Sezer has 4 kick errors in 2 games. I remember him kicking into opposition players a lot in those 2 games, so it must be charge downs and kicks out on the full.
But as you and Rickman raised, this stat is pretty meaningless if it's not counting a 7th tackle kick or charge down as an error.
I dont know then. Just no **** idea haha
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The Rickman wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 5:22 pmThe correct term is *checks notes* "coward"BadnMean wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 5:09 pmNo- many backspin for accuracy to target a smaller area closer to the goal line; you spiral when your own kick position (too far out) or game station- praying for that drop so try a different style of kick- require a different technique. Which he was smart enough to do.
Kick of the century? No? But was he thinking like a half and tried a play a few % smarter than the usual backspin (which is his "go to" when trying to line up for our catchers by the way so that they can catch the thing)- yes he did. So just give a little credit when it is due.
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Yeah, that spiral bomb towards the end of the game was a really good kick. The fullback was under a lot of pressure to get into a decent position to field it.
The kick that gave them the 7 tackle set that they scored off was a terrible kick. We couldn't even properly contest the ball. It was the most critical error of the match.
The kick that gave them the 7 tackle set that they scored off was a terrible kick. We couldn't even properly contest the ball. It was the most critical error of the match.
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Surely not with Williams on the way. I'm guessing Titans/Warriors or maybe Cowboys an outsider.
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Im guessing the Knights.
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Where did this news come from?
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Mention of him going to an 'out of town' club.
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Out of which town?Coastalraider wrote: ↑May 21, 2019, 2:46 pmMention of him going to an 'out of town' club.
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I'm working on a screenplay - The Character Assassination of Sam Williams by the Coward Rickman.The Rickman wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 5:22 pmThe correct term is *checks notes* "coward"BadnMean wrote: ↑May 20, 2019, 5:09 pmNo- many backspin for accuracy to target a smaller area closer to the goal line; you spiral when your own kick position (too far out) or game station- praying for that drop so try a different style of kick- require a different technique. Which he was smart enough to do.
Kick of the century? No? But was he thinking like a half and tried a play a few % smarter than the usual backspin (which is his "go to" when trying to line up for our catchers by the way so that they can catch the thing)- yes he did. So just give a little credit when it is due.
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Wilcannia is out of town..Coastalraider wrote: ↑May 21, 2019, 2:46 pmMention of him going to an 'out of town' club.
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After that drop!! Sezer back in!!!
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Yep Absolutely get Aidan back
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Winning this and turning that performance around will go a long way to Sammy keeping his spot.
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That could be all she wrote for Williams after that performance. I think Stick might give him one more chance but I'm not sure
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Wonder what the high IQ posters suggesting we release Sezer a few weeks back think now
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He doesn't Deserve another shot after Today we've had one Half since round 3 if we are to Salvage our Season a Change has to be made next week
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Will be very keen to see how Sezer goes in Mounties tomorrow. Only needs to put in a half decent performance and he takes Sammy’s spot I say. That was awful from Williams.
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Hingano would be a chance.Danaman137 wrote: ↑May 25, 2019, 4:55 pm Will be very keen to see how Sezer goes in Mounties tomorrow. Only needs to put in a half decent performance and he takes Sammy’s spot I say. That was awful from Williams.
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Never in my life thought I would say this, but I think we need to recall Sezer. Do I need help?
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I wouldn’t be against it. We know what Sezer and Williams offer. Give hingano a game or 2, if he plods it up, bring Sezer in.edwahu wrote:Hingano would be a chance.Danaman137 wrote: ↑May 25, 2019, 4:55 pm Will be very keen to see how Sezer goes in Mounties tomorrow. Only needs to put in a half decent performance and he takes Sammy’s spot I say. That was awful from Williams.
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As mentioned in the game day thread, the answer to dropping Williams isn't to bring Sezer back. You don't replace **** with something even more ****. And as the last couple of years have clearly shown us, Aidan Sezer is complete ****. His form at Mounties hasn't been up to scratch either.
If we're dropping, Ata deserves a run and I'd be really interested to see how he goes given how he's played this year.
If we're dropping, Ata deserves a run and I'd be really interested to see how he goes given how he's played this year.
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No. That was his chance- if I'm coach Ricky he gave him a good long run, the benefit of two close losses vs good teams- I am now looking elsewhere. He had every chance in the world there to do something. He showed nothing. I am officially off team Sam.
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Its about managing your cap, your not going to get anything significantly better with Sezer coming in next week.Raider Azz wrote: ↑May 25, 2019, 4:53 pm Wonder what the high IQ posters suggesting we release Sezer a few weeks back think now
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In a couple of weeks everyone will want Williams back in. The hole debate is rather boring, if reports are correct and Hingano is playing well for Mounties your ceiling is going to be higher having him in the side.
You know what your getting with Williams and Sezer and its just average plodder performances, both of them couldn't find their way out of corn flakes box.
So yes if can offload Sezer now you do it because he is wasted cap space next year and there's no way in hell any other club is going to want him.
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This is one of the worst double dows ive seen. Youre wrong as were all others who backed williams. Pack it up and move it on.afgtnk wrote: ↑May 25, 2019, 5:02 pm As mentioned in the game day thread, the answer to dropping Williams isn't to bring Sezer back. You don't replace **** with something even more ****. And as the last couple of years have clearly shown us, Aidan Sezer is complete ****. His form at Mounties hasn't been up to scratch either.
If we're dropping, Ata deserves a run and I'd be really interested to see how he goes given how he's played this year.
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