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Williams' defence wasn't the issue today. Losing Rapana was the problem with the first two of their tries.
And in the second half it was our middle forward's poor discipline.
And in the second half it was our middle forward's poor discipline.
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Its not his defence I'm critical of today.Green eyed Mick wrote: ↑April 28, 2019, 4:23 pm Williams' defence wasn't the issue today. Losing Rapana was the problem with the first two of their tries.
And in the second half it was our middle forward's poor discipline.
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My only gripe with Williams is that so far, he's averaging on 9 metres run per game. That's not going to throw any questions into the opposition's heads.
However, he usually only gets the ball to set up his outside backs or to kick. Hodgson needs to step back and even things out between Williams and Wighton.
However, he usually only gets the ball to set up his outside backs or to kick. Hodgson needs to step back and even things out between Williams and Wighton.
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His kicking today (40/20 which was absolute sex aside) was absolutely abysmal
Just constantly and consistently setting up manly on their 30 and 40. His bombs didn’t have enough height on them and were way to deep
It contributed heavily to the way things went for us. I’d keep him for Penrith, but he’s got to do better. He’s giving us nothing in attack, he’s supposed to be an upgrade on Sezer here and it’s not happening, he’s a lottery defensively and if he can’t at least kick well, that’s not giving the coach any reason to stick with him
Just constantly and consistently setting up manly on their 30 and 40. His bombs didn’t have enough height on them and were way to deep
It contributed heavily to the way things went for us. I’d keep him for Penrith, but he’s got to do better. He’s giving us nothing in attack, he’s supposed to be an upgrade on Sezer here and it’s not happening, he’s a lottery defensively and if he can’t at least kick well, that’s not giving the coach any reason to stick with him
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Sam's short line drop out which went out on the full was poor. Thankfully the side defended it well and play moved on. On the other side of the coin he kicked a 40/20 only to see Jack give a forward pass to EW to kill the momentum. We were leading 14-6 at the time. If we were able to maintain pressure at that point I think we may have taken the game away from them. We'll never know.
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I want to give Williams another opportunity next week. But I did think Sam caused a couple of line breaks with poor defensive reads and missed tackles. But he wasn’t alone today.
He’s not getting himself in the right attacking areas either.
Deserves another shot to return to his best.
He’s not getting himself in the right attacking areas either.
Deserves another shot to return to his best.
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Yep, he needs to do more. Give him one more shot at it.BJ wrote: ↑April 28, 2019, 5:27 pm I want to give Williams another opportunity next week. But I did think Sam caused a couple of line breaks with poor defensive reads and missed tackles. But he wasn’t alone today.
He’s not getting himself in the right attacking areas either.
Deserves another shot to return to his best.
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Give him one more shot after 4 on the trot and a far from awful game.
Ever so generous.
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Youd have to think that sam wins that based solely onthe boys being able to call him williams.PigRickman wrote: ↑April 28, 2019, 4:18 pmYeah I agree with that last bitRoger Kenworthy wrote: ↑April 28, 2019, 4:12 pm Yup no good options but Williams was poor today, so no arguments if Sezer gets a run. I do think we need to find a clear first choice by rounds 11 or 12 though.
I think the coach is going to have to pick one, understanding neither is good and just go with it
We’re not at any risk of winning a comp this year so you just want to work the combinations
My preference would be whoever’s game most closely mirrors George’s
I don’t think we have one given what I’ve read here of him, but whoever the coach thinks is closer would get my nod
Itd be nice to gave a half that we dont have to completely disregard from our defensive line.
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Perfectsimo wrote: ↑April 28, 2019, 6:46 pmYoud have to think that sam wins that based solely onthe boys being able to call him williams.PigRickman wrote: ↑April 28, 2019, 4:18 pmYeah I agree with that last bitRoger Kenworthy wrote: ↑April 28, 2019, 4:12 pm Yup no good options but Williams was poor today, so no arguments if Sezer gets a run. I do think we need to find a clear first choice by rounds 11 or 12 though.
I think the coach is going to have to pick one, understanding neither is good and just go with it
We’re not at any risk of winning a comp this year so you just want to work the combinations
My preference would be whoever’s game most closely mirrors George’s
I don’t think we have one given what I’ve read here of him, but whoever the coach thinks is closer would get my nod
Let’s roll, go Williams
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That’s absolutely fair.gangrenous wrote: ↑April 28, 2019, 6:00 pm Give him one more shot after 4 on the trot and a far from awful game.
Ever so generous.
Not his fault Hodgson had a howler and no one else could tackle.
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When he becomes more of a factor in games I'll be more generous. He was not instrumental in any of our wins and he didn't offer anything today. He got a chance following injury to Sezer. Yes we've been winning but he's kept his spot on the back of performances by his team mates.gangrenous wrote: ↑April 28, 2019, 6:00 pm Give him one more shot after 4 on the trot and a far from awful game.
Ever so generous.
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Anyone know how Sezer went today? (Sorry if it been covered).
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Williams was abysmal today. Far from a Sezer fan but gee I've still got him in front of this Williams fella
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Williams defence got shown up today, no one around him trusts him and for good reason. That causes problems.
Sezer back. Shake up the team put them on notice.
There was not enough urgency and commitment to defence today. A message needs to be sent.
Sezer back. Shake up the team put them on notice.
There was not enough urgency and commitment to defence today. A message needs to be sent.
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I'm sorry, I must be missing the part where it shows Aidan Sezer deserves to be playing first grade and isn't a completely garbage footballer. He's done nothing for the most part of three seasons.
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One loss to Melbourne, with injuries was enough to see everyone call for him to lose his job... one loss indeed.
And Manly without DCE for 40% of the game wont hold a candle to the Storm, so keep that same energy
And Manly without DCE for 40% of the game wont hold a candle to the Storm, so keep that same energy
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One loss in 2019, 14? In 2018 and 2017...PigRickman wrote:One loss to Melbourne, with injuries was enough to see everyone call for him to lose his job... one loss indeed.
And Manly without DCE for 40% of the game wont hold a candle to the Storm, so keep that same energy
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Hold on there, cowboygangrenous wrote: ↑April 28, 2019, 10:38 pmOne loss in 2019, 14? In 2018 and 2017...PigRickman wrote:One loss to Melbourne, with injuries was enough to see everyone call for him to lose his job... one loss indeed.
And Manly without DCE for 40% of the game wont hold a candle to the Storm, so keep that same energy
If you want to go beyond 2019 we can, but Sam has 80 odd of those games you’re opening this up too, and most of them are loses too
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Quite some time ago though. Sezer’s run is current.
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I don't think there is much between them, but all I know is the thought of Kikau running at Williams this week sends chills down my spine. I think you have to get Sezer on - he will still get steam rolled, but his first up contact will be better than Williams, and I think he has a slightly better long kicking game.
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I think the initial plan was to put pressure on the Manly fullback Elliot with high kicks coming out of the sun. The Raiders put up 3 within the first 15 minutes, 2 by Sam and one by Jack, which the young bloke caught well. Full credit to him. Sam's 40/20 was spoiled on the first set when Jack threw a forward pass to EW.
As for Sam's defence well he tackled Joel Thompson very well a couple of times in the first half and try saver on Elliot in the 2nd half. The Manly second try came after Rapa went off. JB was defending at right center and Sam was to his left. Both went to for a Manly player who offloaded to Parker and Sam peeled off to try to cover Parker but he was just too quick for him and his inside pass saw Lachlan Croker go over. I have to say I was pleased for Lachlan Croker coming off an ACL last year - he played well.
A kick is only as good as its chase and Sam stared the second half with a chip which was chased well by BJ for a goal line drop out. Once again we could not maintain pressure when the line drop out is taken by Guler who loses the ball in the tackle. When we next have possession he put up a bomb which Cotric gets to but cannot catch it. His next bomb to Elliot is well taken but our chase is poor and he goes across field before making a break. His next bomb to Elliot sees the Raiders penalised for inside the 10. His attempted short kick off goes out on the full. Poor effort but an obvious plan to try to get some possession. Fox said Manly had more than 60% possession in 2nd half. The team defends it well though. His next bomb is knocked on by BJ. He also put in a couple of touch finders in the 2nd half. I have no doubt this was because the side had little possession and he was looking to get some air into the lungs of his forwards.
As for Sam's defence well he tackled Joel Thompson very well a couple of times in the first half and try saver on Elliot in the 2nd half. The Manly second try came after Rapa went off. JB was defending at right center and Sam was to his left. Both went to for a Manly player who offloaded to Parker and Sam peeled off to try to cover Parker but he was just too quick for him and his inside pass saw Lachlan Croker go over. I have to say I was pleased for Lachlan Croker coming off an ACL last year - he played well.
A kick is only as good as its chase and Sam stared the second half with a chip which was chased well by BJ for a goal line drop out. Once again we could not maintain pressure when the line drop out is taken by Guler who loses the ball in the tackle. When we next have possession he put up a bomb which Cotric gets to but cannot catch it. His next bomb to Elliot is well taken but our chase is poor and he goes across field before making a break. His next bomb to Elliot sees the Raiders penalised for inside the 10. His attempted short kick off goes out on the full. Poor effort but an obvious plan to try to get some possession. Fox said Manly had more than 60% possession in 2nd half. The team defends it well though. His next bomb is knocked on by BJ. He also put in a couple of touch finders in the 2nd half. I have no doubt this was because the side had little possession and he was looking to get some air into the lungs of his forwards.
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Some people are so happy with williams mediocrity and poor defence yet hate sezer for his mediocrity and above averege defence. Williams is bog and shouldnt be in first grade no matter how good a guy he is.
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Gents, this week Sammy has to tackle Villiame Kikau. GOOD LUCK!
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Since 2016..
Sezer is 37-31-0 in games he's played for the Raiders
Williams is 13-13-1 in games he's played
Williams current run aint all that and a bag a chips. He's been pretty much a passenger this season
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I don't care either way, nice 40/20 from Williams but aside from that he did nothing. He was barking orders at Hodgson during breaks in play but he doesn't run the ball and Hodgson seems to either go with forward hitups or out to Wighton.
How our halves play has more to do with Ricky's unimaginative gameplans. We've done so well to fix up our defence (aside from the past 2 games) but our attack, our football smarts, our structure and game management suck so bad. Just compare the two sides yesterday. They had no right to be on the same field as us. Hasler can actually coach a side, it's so depressing.
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How our halves play has more to do with Ricky's unimaginative gameplans. We've done so well to fix up our defence (aside from the past 2 games) but our attack, our football smarts, our structure and game management suck so bad. Just compare the two sides yesterday. They had no right to be on the same field as us. Hasler can actually coach a side, it's so depressing.
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Williams for me this week.
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Ok... Ill put it another way, whomever wears the #7 this wk better go stand on Northbourne Ave and tackle the tram all week, coz that will be easier than tackling Kikau.
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I think I'd actually go with Sezer this week.
Sorry Sammy.
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Unimaginative game plan has worked OK in recent weeks. It caught up with us on the weekend as Manly were ready for it. Other than Jack having spiders on him in the first 10 mins we didn't really threaten their defensive line.gergreg wrote: ↑April 29, 2019, 10:34 am I don't care either way, nice 40/20 from Williams but aside from that he did nothing. He was barking orders at Hodgson during breaks in play but he doesn't run the ball and Hodgson seems to either go with forward hitups or out to Wighton.
How our halves play has more to do with Ricky's unimaginative gameplans. We've done so well to fix up our defence (aside from the past 2 games) but our attack, our football smarts, our structure and game management suck so bad. Just compare the two sides yesterday. They had no right to be on the same field as us. Hasler can actually coach a side, it's so depressing.
The biggest issue I see with Williams is he's not really contributing to our wins and he's got nothing if we're needing somebody to spark something. Its all on the players around him, which is not the great for a halfback. When he did get his hands on the ball it was mostly to kick. On the other times when he did pass it was in immediate dish off to another player. He didn't engage the defnese at any stage before making his play. Only one time did he run with the ball. It was one out and he got smashed. His game was way way below par based on what you need from your no7.
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We were also found out against Broncos and a loss there is probably what the team deserved. We were completely gone in that game and a huge mistackle from Haas then a lucky try to Sutton got us home. It's usually those type of lucky (some might say undeserved wins) which lulls any side into complacency and the following week is probably a loss in this competition, purely based on the attitude.Northern Raider wrote:Unimaginative game plan has worked OK in recent weeks. It caught up with us on the weekend as Manly were ready for it. Other than Jack having spiders on him in the first 10 mins we didn't really threaten their defensive line.gergreg wrote: ↑April 29, 2019, 10:34 am I don't care either way, nice 40/20 from Williams but aside from that he did nothing. He was barking orders at Hodgson during breaks in play but he doesn't run the ball and Hodgson seems to either go with forward hitups or out to Wighton.
How our halves play has more to do with Ricky's unimaginative gameplans. We've done so well to fix up our defence (aside from the past 2 games) but our attack, our football smarts, our structure and game management suck so bad. Just compare the two sides yesterday. They had no right to be on the same field as us. Hasler can actually coach a side, it's so depressing.
The biggest issue I see with Williams is he's not really contributing to our wins and he's got nothing if we're needing somebody to spark something. Its all on the players around him, which is not the great for a halfback. When he did get his hands on the ball it was mostly to kick. On the other times when he did pass it was in immediate dish off to another player. He didn't engage the defnese at any stage before making his play. Only one time did he run with the ball. It was one out and he got smashed. His game was way way below par based on what you need from your no7.
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thats all very true but problem is its pretty much the identical story of aiden Sezers past couple of years.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2019, 2:48 pmUnimaginative game plan has worked OK in recent weeks. It caught up with us on the weekend as Manly were ready for it. Other than Jack having spiders on him in the first 10 mins we didn't really threaten their defensive line.gergreg wrote: ↑April 29, 2019, 10:34 am I don't care either way, nice 40/20 from Williams but aside from that he did nothing. He was barking orders at Hodgson during breaks in play but he doesn't run the ball and Hodgson seems to either go with forward hitups or out to Wighton.
How our halves play has more to do with Ricky's unimaginative gameplans. We've done so well to fix up our defence (aside from the past 2 games) but our attack, our football smarts, our structure and game management suck so bad. Just compare the two sides yesterday. They had no right to be on the same field as us. Hasler can actually coach a side, it's so depressing.
The biggest issue I see with Williams is he's not really contributing to our wins and he's got nothing if we're needing somebody to spark something. Its all on the players around him, which is not the great for a halfback. When he did get his hands on the ball it was mostly to kick. On the other times when he did pass it was in immediate dish off to another player. He didn't engage the defnese at any stage before making his play. Only one time did he run with the ball. It was one out and he got smashed. His game was way way below par based on what you need from your no7.
There's very little between the two of them, both aren't up to it but will look ok when we get front foot ball.
just get the other Williams here ASAP, toss a coin who you pick before then it doesn't really matter