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PigRickman - will have to disagree with your comment above regarding the kicking game of Johns. If you ever rewatch the 2001 GF Johns kicking game wins Newcastle the match. Exactly like Stuart in th 1990 GF.
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Northern Raider wrote: July 24, 2019, 8:32 am Hasn't this thread gone a little off course. :lol:
At least it beats the course every other thread on here ends up taking.
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edwahu wrote: July 24, 2019, 9:07 am
Northern Raider wrote: July 24, 2019, 8:32 am Hasn't this thread gone a little off course. :lol:
At least it beats the course every other thread on here ends up taking.
I think with Williams coming in we should offload Croker....
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edwahu wrote: July 24, 2019, 8:25 am I don't disagree Johns was better, but Stuart played less rep footy then he should've because of the QLD selection block repeatedly pushing for Langer's selection over him for Australia and of course due to Super League rep bans.

For starters Stuart likely wouldve been halfback for NSW and Australia in 95 and John's nowhere near rep footy which swaps 3 Origin games and an entire world cup. That already brings the numbers closer together.

Same goes for players like Mullins and Furner who missed a huge amount of rep footy because of the bans. The selection of players was also heavily influenced for a long time after the bans and the bias against Superleague players that persisted for years afterwards.
Absolutely. The same for Sterling and Mortimer. Stuart V Langer. Sterling V Mortimer. Great halves fighting each other for rep honours. No wonder their numbers are lower! Sterling should be on the top five lists BTW.
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For anyone here saying that they believe Johns was better than Stuart (and it seems to me this is largely the younger guys), when was the last time you saw Stuart play? Have you watched any replays recently or are you going soley off your memory? Because if it's the latter, I highly recommend you go back and watch a game or two on youtube (not just highlights) from the 94 season.

There was one or two full Raiders games from that era kicking around last time I checked.
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Wiki Special wrote: July 24, 2019, 8:49 am PigRickman - will have to disagree with your comment above regarding the kicking game of Johns. If you ever rewatch the 2001 GF Johns kicking game wins Newcastle the match. Exactly like Stuart in th 1990 GF.
Stuart's kicking game was unparalleled in basically every game he played. Johns had a very good kicking game but it was not as consistently excellent as Stuart's
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PigRickman wrote: July 24, 2019, 10:18 am
Wiki Special wrote: July 24, 2019, 8:49 am PigRickman - will have to disagree with your comment above regarding the kicking game of Johns. If you ever rewatch the 2001 GF Johns kicking game wins Newcastle the match. Exactly like Stuart in th 1990 GF.
Stuart's kicking game was unparalleled in basically every game he played. Johns had a very good kicking game but it was not as consistently excellent as Stuart's
Not even close. Stuart's amazing passing game is criminally under-remembered by history too.

The only facets Johns has him on is his running game and defence, but Ricky Stuart was no slouch on either of those abilities either, considering the halfback didn't even defend in the line for most of his career.
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Also I think people are selling short some of Joey's team mates saying Ricky had far superior weapons outside him. Ours were better but knights were no slouch.

Having rudder at 6 meant he played both sides, centres and wingers were matt Gidley, tahu, hughes, Albert and Robbie O at the back, plenty of guys to hit there

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Just checked in 2001 they had MacDougal instead of Albert


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Bennyinthewest wrote: July 24, 2019, 11:30 am Also I think people are selling short some of Joey's team mates saying Ricky had far superior weapons outside him. Ours were better but knights were no slouch.

Having rudder at 6 meant he played both sides, centres and wingers were matt Gidley, tahu, hughes, Albert and Robbie O at the back, plenty of guys to hit there

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Tahu, Gidley, Robbie O'Roids, McDougall, Buderus, Parsons, Kennedy and Steve Simpson were in that 2001 GF team.
It's utter bollocks to say Johns had trash around him. That's a star studded line up

the '97 team wasn't that great, but it also won half a comp, and that half of the league was objectively lower quality. That knights team doesnt make the top 4 in the SL imo.
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PigRickman wrote: July 24, 2019, 10:18 am
Wiki Special wrote: July 24, 2019, 8:49 am PigRickman - will have to disagree with your comment above regarding the kicking game of Johns. If you ever rewatch the 2001 GF Johns kicking game wins Newcastle the match. Exactly like Stuart in th 1990 GF.
Stuart's kicking game was unparalleled in basically every game he played. Johns had a very good kicking game but it was not as consistently excellent as Stuart's
I'm not saying Johns had a better kicking game than Stuart but I am saying both had elite kicking games. In my opinion, saying 'very good' when talking Johns is selling him short.

Others obviously disagree.
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PigRickman wrote: July 24, 2019, 11:42 am
Bennyinthewest wrote: July 24, 2019, 11:30 am Also I think people are selling short some of Joey's team mates saying Ricky had far superior weapons outside him. Ours were better but knights were no slouch.

Having rudder at 6 meant he played both sides, centres and wingers were matt Gidley, tahu, hughes, Albert and Robbie O at the back, plenty of guys to hit there

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Tahu, Gidley, Robbie O'Roids, McDougall, Buderus, Parsons, Kennedy and Steve Simpson were in that 2001 GF team.
It's utter bollocks to say Johns had trash around him. That's a star studded line up

the '97 team wasn't that great, but it also won half a comp, and that half of the league was objectively lower quality. That knights team doesnt make the top 4 in the SL imo.
You guys are both right, but come on now. In the immortal words of Matt's Matchups:

Belcher/Mullins - O'Davis
Nagas/Chicka/Nadruku - McDougall/Tahu/Albert
Meninga/Croker/Daley/Wiki - Hughes/Matt Gidley
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Daley - Kurt Gidley/Sean **** Rudder

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The Rickman wrote: July 24, 2019, 12:02 pm
PigRickman wrote: July 24, 2019, 11:42 am
Bennyinthewest wrote: July 24, 2019, 11:30 am Also I think people are selling short some of Joey's team mates saying Ricky had far superior weapons outside him. Ours were better but knights were no slouch.

Having rudder at 6 meant he played both sides, centres and wingers were matt Gidley, tahu, hughes, Albert and Robbie O at the back, plenty of guys to hit there

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Tahu, Gidley, Robbie O'Roids, McDougall, Buderus, Parsons, Kennedy and Steve Simpson were in that 2001 GF team.
It's utter bollocks to say Johns had trash around him. That's a star studded line up

the '97 team wasn't that great, but it also won half a comp, and that half of the league was objectively lower quality. That knights team doesnt make the top 4 in the SL imo.
You guys are both right, but come on now. In the immortal words of Matt's Matchups:

Belcher/Mullins - O'Davis
Nagas/Chicka/Nadruku - McDougall/Tahu/Albert
Meninga/Croker/Daley/Wiki - Hughes/Matt Gidley
Steve Walters - Buderus
Daley - Kurt Gidley/Sean **** Rudder

None of these skins are remotely even **** close either haha
They're definitely not. That 94 team was the best team ever established imo, including the cheating storm
But it's just not right or fair to say Johns carried bums. Those dudes were not bums.
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We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
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The Rickman wrote: July 24, 2019, 10:12 am For anyone here saying that they believe Johns was better than Stuart (and it seems to me this is largely the younger guys), when was the last time you saw Stuart play? Have you watched any replays recently or are you going soley off your memory? Because if it's the latter, I highly recommend you go back and watch a game or two on youtube (not just highlights) from the 94 season.

There was one or two full Raiders games from that era kicking around last time I checked.
He was even better in 93.

Until THAT INJURY...
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Northern Raider wrote: July 24, 2019, 3:01 pm We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
Not any more.
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greeneyed wrote: July 24, 2019, 3:27 pm
Northern Raider wrote: July 24, 2019, 3:01 pm We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
Not any more.
wait, what?

dammit :rant
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-PJ- wrote: July 24, 2019, 3:24 pm
The Rickman wrote: July 24, 2019, 10:12 am For anyone here saying that they believe Johns was better than Stuart (and it seems to me this is largely the younger guys), when was the last time you saw Stuart play? Have you watched any replays recently or are you going soley off your memory? Because if it's the latter, I highly recommend you go back and watch a game or two on youtube (not just highlights) from the 94 season.

There was one or two full Raiders games from that era kicking around last time I checked.
He was even better in 93.

Until THAT INJURY...
He actually was. We didn't win the comp so people forget it, but Stuart in 1993 was a good a season from a halfback as you'll ever see. Dally M and Rothmans Medal winner. He really was a class above the comp that year. Followed it up in '94 and '95.

Daley was my favourite player and Meninga is a legend, but in reality Stuart was the driving force behind our team in 89-95.
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Yep..

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So the Raiders should dump Williams before the ink is dry and resign golden era R. Stuart?

(who by the way I watched from '89 on and he was streets ahead of anyone else in his era- Langer was a 1 trick gnome- and better than Joey too)
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Northern Raider wrote:We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
George Williams.... nah mate we are talking about Andrew johns in here

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thedevilingreen wrote:
Northern Raider wrote:We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
George Williams.... nah mate we are talking about Andrew johns in here

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George Williams is already being talked about in the same breath as Andrew Johns!

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thedevilingreen wrote: July 25, 2019, 11:43 am
Northern Raider wrote:We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
George Williams.... nah mate we are talking about Andrew johns in here
Never heard of him. Is he related to the dude from Silverchair?
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No, but he might have met the bloke from Silverchair.
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thedevilingreen wrote: July 25, 2019, 11:43 am
Northern Raider wrote:We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
George Williams.... nah mate we are talking about Andrew johns in here

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Well... to be fair we were discussing how much of a better player Ricky Stuart was over Andrew Johns

And Frankly, that discussion should be allowed in every single thread on the forum
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Since we’ve got the week off, don’t waste it by playing with your kids or spending time with the significant other. Put it to actual good use.
Watch Wigan V Salford and catch up on new boy George Williams.
He’s been having a belter of a second half to the year since it was made public he’s coming here, and the whole Wigan team is playing better.
The game was on early this morning but you can watch the replay on Kayo now.
During the pregame they did a feature on him breaking down all the parts of his game, and spoiler alert it was a wankfest.
Pretty much on par with my observation from early this year, the guy has ALL the skills and a is a stud. Will just come down to his mental application and desire. But bloke is a proven winner. Back him in.

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Yeah, the overreactions to his slow start to the year have proven to be just that. He is a really quality player from what I can see, there are not many NRL halves I would take before him given what's available.

The only query left would be his defense at NRL level.
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The Rickman wrote: July 24, 2019, 12:02 pm
PigRickman wrote: July 24, 2019, 11:42 am
Bennyinthewest wrote: July 24, 2019, 11:30 am Also I think people are selling short some of Joey's team mates saying Ricky had far superior weapons outside him. Ours were better but knights were no slouch.

Having rudder at 6 meant he played both sides, centres and wingers were matt Gidley, tahu, hughes, Albert and Robbie O at the back, plenty of guys to hit there

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Tahu, Gidley, Robbie O'Roids, McDougall, Buderus, Parsons, Kennedy and Steve Simpson were in that 2001 GF team.
It's utter bollocks to say Johns had trash around him. That's a star studded line up

the '97 team wasn't that great, but it also won half a comp, and that half of the league was objectively lower quality. That knights team doesnt make the top 4 in the SL imo.
You guys are both right, but come on now. In the immortal words of Matt's Matchups:

Belcher/Mullins - O'Davis
Nagas/Chicka/Nadruku - McDougall/Tahu/Albert
Meninga/Croker/Daley/Wiki - Hughes/Matt Gidley
Steve Walters - Buderus
Daley - Kurt Gidley/Sean **** Rudder

None of these skins are remotely even **** close either haha
Nobody can argue that - geez we had some players back then!
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edwahu wrote: September 21, 2019, 10:00 am Yeah, the overreactions to his slow start to the year have proven to be just that. He is a really quality player from what I can see, there are not many NRL halves I would take before him given what's available.

The only query left would be his defense at NRL level.
Agreed. And I only saw the last 10 minutes this morning but he certainly was not afraid to put his body in front of the attackers on his line with the Wigan side under heavy pressure.
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reptar wrote: September 21, 2019, 10:01 am Week off, time to clean behind the fridge.
There's no way I'm lookin behind the fridge..
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Yeah he's been bloody impressive lately from what I've seen - seems as though settling his future has completely relaxed him.

Fingers crossed he can translate it over to here, because if he can, we'll have one quality players on our hands.
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Ill be most curious to see how he goes defensively
If he can provide us an upgrade in creativity and play making in the halves, and be trusted to make tackles the way Sezer is now that would be a massive result for the club
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I'm ok on his defence personally, it should be able to hold up. He's pretty stocky and seems to hit well. Sezer doesn't tend to do much defensive work either - he makes the least amount of tackles and second least amount of 1 on 1 tackles per game out of the 16 regular halfbacks.

I'm more concerned with how things like his short kicking and passing games will hold up, which are a real quality of his over there. He also seems to be a good runner with decent toe, but after seeing how easily Austin's ripped up there I probably won't give that as much weight.
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