Canberra Raiders sign Wigan Warriors half George Williams on three year deal
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PigRickman - will have to disagree with your comment above regarding the kicking game of Johns. If you ever rewatch the 2001 GF Johns kicking game wins Newcastle the match. Exactly like Stuart in th 1990 GF.
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At least it beats the course every other thread on here ends up taking.
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Absolutely. The same for Sterling and Mortimer. Stuart V Langer. Sterling V Mortimer. Great halves fighting each other for rep honours. No wonder their numbers are lower! Sterling should be on the top five lists BTW.edwahu wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 8:25 am I don't disagree Johns was better, but Stuart played less rep footy then he should've because of the QLD selection block repeatedly pushing for Langer's selection over him for Australia and of course due to Super League rep bans.
For starters Stuart likely wouldve been halfback for NSW and Australia in 95 and John's nowhere near rep footy which swaps 3 Origin games and an entire world cup. That already brings the numbers closer together.
Same goes for players like Mullins and Furner who missed a huge amount of rep footy because of the bans. The selection of players was also heavily influenced for a long time after the bans and the bias against Superleague players that persisted for years afterwards.
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For anyone here saying that they believe Johns was better than Stuart (and it seems to me this is largely the younger guys), when was the last time you saw Stuart play? Have you watched any replays recently or are you going soley off your memory? Because if it's the latter, I highly recommend you go back and watch a game or two on youtube (not just highlights) from the 94 season.
There was one or two full Raiders games from that era kicking around last time I checked.
There was one or two full Raiders games from that era kicking around last time I checked.
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Stuart's kicking game was unparalleled in basically every game he played. Johns had a very good kicking game but it was not as consistently excellent as Stuart'sWiki Special wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 8:49 am PigRickman - will have to disagree with your comment above regarding the kicking game of Johns. If you ever rewatch the 2001 GF Johns kicking game wins Newcastle the match. Exactly like Stuart in th 1990 GF.
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Not even close. Stuart's amazing passing game is criminally under-remembered by history too.PigRickman wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 10:18 amStuart's kicking game was unparalleled in basically every game he played. Johns had a very good kicking game but it was not as consistently excellent as Stuart'sWiki Special wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 8:49 am PigRickman - will have to disagree with your comment above regarding the kicking game of Johns. If you ever rewatch the 2001 GF Johns kicking game wins Newcastle the match. Exactly like Stuart in th 1990 GF.
The only facets Johns has him on is his running game and defence, but Ricky Stuart was no slouch on either of those abilities either, considering the halfback didn't even defend in the line for most of his career.
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Also I think people are selling short some of Joey's team mates saying Ricky had far superior weapons outside him. Ours were better but knights were no slouch.
Having rudder at 6 meant he played both sides, centres and wingers were matt Gidley, tahu, hughes, Albert and Robbie O at the back, plenty of guys to hit there
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Just checked in 2001 they had MacDougal instead of Albert
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Tahu, Gidley, Robbie O'Roids, McDougall, Buderus, Parsons, Kennedy and Steve Simpson were in that 2001 GF team.Bennyinthewest wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 11:30 am Also I think people are selling short some of Joey's team mates saying Ricky had far superior weapons outside him. Ours were better but knights were no slouch.
Having rudder at 6 meant he played both sides, centres and wingers were matt Gidley, tahu, hughes, Albert and Robbie O at the back, plenty of guys to hit there
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It's utter bollocks to say Johns had trash around him. That's a star studded line up
the '97 team wasn't that great, but it also won half a comp, and that half of the league was objectively lower quality. That knights team doesnt make the top 4 in the SL imo.
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I'm not saying Johns had a better kicking game than Stuart but I am saying both had elite kicking games. In my opinion, saying 'very good' when talking Johns is selling him short.PigRickman wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 10:18 amStuart's kicking game was unparalleled in basically every game he played. Johns had a very good kicking game but it was not as consistently excellent as Stuart'sWiki Special wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 8:49 am PigRickman - will have to disagree with your comment above regarding the kicking game of Johns. If you ever rewatch the 2001 GF Johns kicking game wins Newcastle the match. Exactly like Stuart in th 1990 GF.
Others obviously disagree.
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You guys are both right, but come on now. In the immortal words of Matt's Matchups:PigRickman wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 11:42 amTahu, Gidley, Robbie O'Roids, McDougall, Buderus, Parsons, Kennedy and Steve Simpson were in that 2001 GF team.Bennyinthewest wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 11:30 am Also I think people are selling short some of Joey's team mates saying Ricky had far superior weapons outside him. Ours were better but knights were no slouch.
Having rudder at 6 meant he played both sides, centres and wingers were matt Gidley, tahu, hughes, Albert and Robbie O at the back, plenty of guys to hit there
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It's utter bollocks to say Johns had trash around him. That's a star studded line up
the '97 team wasn't that great, but it also won half a comp, and that half of the league was objectively lower quality. That knights team doesnt make the top 4 in the SL imo.
Belcher/Mullins - O'Davis
Nagas/Chicka/Nadruku - McDougall/Tahu/Albert
Meninga/Croker/Daley/Wiki - Hughes/Matt Gidley
Steve Walters - Buderus
Daley - Kurt Gidley/Sean **** Rudder
None of these skins are remotely even **** close either haha
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They're definitely not. That 94 team was the best team ever established imo, including the cheating stormThe Rickman wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 12:02 pmYou guys are both right, but come on now. In the immortal words of Matt's Matchups:PigRickman wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 11:42 amTahu, Gidley, Robbie O'Roids, McDougall, Buderus, Parsons, Kennedy and Steve Simpson were in that 2001 GF team.Bennyinthewest wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 11:30 am Also I think people are selling short some of Joey's team mates saying Ricky had far superior weapons outside him. Ours were better but knights were no slouch.
Having rudder at 6 meant he played both sides, centres and wingers were matt Gidley, tahu, hughes, Albert and Robbie O at the back, plenty of guys to hit there
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It's utter bollocks to say Johns had trash around him. That's a star studded line up
the '97 team wasn't that great, but it also won half a comp, and that half of the league was objectively lower quality. That knights team doesnt make the top 4 in the SL imo.
Belcher/Mullins - O'Davis
Nagas/Chicka/Nadruku - McDougall/Tahu/Albert
Meninga/Croker/Daley/Wiki - Hughes/Matt Gidley
Steve Walters - Buderus
Daley - Kurt Gidley/Sean **** Rudder
None of these skins are remotely even **** close either haha
But it's just not right or fair to say Johns carried bums. Those dudes were not bums.
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We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
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He was even better in 93.The Rickman wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 10:12 am For anyone here saying that they believe Johns was better than Stuart (and it seems to me this is largely the younger guys), when was the last time you saw Stuart play? Have you watched any replays recently or are you going soley off your memory? Because if it's the latter, I highly recommend you go back and watch a game or two on youtube (not just highlights) from the 94 season.
There was one or two full Raiders games from that era kicking around last time I checked.
Until THAT INJURY...
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Not any more.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 3:01 pm We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
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wait, what?greeneyed wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 3:27 pmNot any more.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 3:01 pm We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
dammit
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He actually was. We didn't win the comp so people forget it, but Stuart in 1993 was a good a season from a halfback as you'll ever see. Dally M and Rothmans Medal winner. He really was a class above the comp that year. Followed it up in '94 and '95.-PJ- wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 3:24 pmHe was even better in 93.The Rickman wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 10:12 am For anyone here saying that they believe Johns was better than Stuart (and it seems to me this is largely the younger guys), when was the last time you saw Stuart play? Have you watched any replays recently or are you going soley off your memory? Because if it's the latter, I highly recommend you go back and watch a game or two on youtube (not just highlights) from the 94 season.
There was one or two full Raiders games from that era kicking around last time I checked.
Until THAT INJURY...
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Yep..
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Re: Canberra Raiders sign Wigan Warriors half George Williams on three year deal
So the Raiders should dump Williams before the ink is dry and resign golden era R. Stuart?
(who by the way I watched from '89 on and he was streets ahead of anyone else in his era- Langer was a 1 trick gnome- and better than Joey too)
(who by the way I watched from '89 on and he was streets ahead of anyone else in his era- Langer was a 1 trick gnome- and better than Joey too)
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George Williams.... nah mate we are talking about Andrew johns in hereNorthern Raider wrote:We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
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George Williams is already being talked about in the same breath as Andrew Johns!thedevilingreen wrote:George Williams.... nah mate we are talking about Andrew johns in hereNorthern Raider wrote:We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
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Never heard of him. Is he related to the dude from Silverchair?thedevilingreen wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 11:43 amGeorge Williams.... nah mate we are talking about Andrew johns in hereNorthern Raider wrote:We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
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No, but he might have met the bloke from Silverchair.
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Well... to be fair we were discussing how much of a better player Ricky Stuart was over Andrew Johnsthedevilingreen wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 11:43 amGeorge Williams.... nah mate we are talking about Andrew johns in hereNorthern Raider wrote:We now have to go back 3 pages of the George Williams thread to find any mention of George Williams.
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And Frankly, that discussion should be allowed in every single thread on the forum
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Since we’ve got the week off, don’t waste it by playing with your kids or spending time with the significant other. Put it to actual good use.
Watch Wigan V Salford and catch up on new boy George Williams.
He’s been having a belter of a second half to the year since it was made public he’s coming here, and the whole Wigan team is playing better.
The game was on early this morning but you can watch the replay on Kayo now.
During the pregame they did a feature on him breaking down all the parts of his game, and spoiler alert it was a wankfest.
Pretty much on par with my observation from early this year, the guy has ALL the skills and a is a stud. Will just come down to his mental application and desire. But bloke is a proven winner. Back him in.
Look forward to him coming into a premiership winning team to go back to back.
Watch Wigan V Salford and catch up on new boy George Williams.
He’s been having a belter of a second half to the year since it was made public he’s coming here, and the whole Wigan team is playing better.
The game was on early this morning but you can watch the replay on Kayo now.
During the pregame they did a feature on him breaking down all the parts of his game, and spoiler alert it was a wankfest.
Pretty much on par with my observation from early this year, the guy has ALL the skills and a is a stud. Will just come down to his mental application and desire. But bloke is a proven winner. Back him in.
Look forward to him coming into a premiership winning team to go back to back.
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Yeah, the overreactions to his slow start to the year have proven to be just that. He is a really quality player from what I can see, there are not many NRL halves I would take before him given what's available.
The only query left would be his defense at NRL level.
The only query left would be his defense at NRL level.
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Week off, time to clean behind the fridge.
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Nobody can argue that - geez we had some players back then!The Rickman wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 12:02 pmYou guys are both right, but come on now. In the immortal words of Matt's Matchups:PigRickman wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 11:42 amTahu, Gidley, Robbie O'Roids, McDougall, Buderus, Parsons, Kennedy and Steve Simpson were in that 2001 GF team.Bennyinthewest wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 11:30 am Also I think people are selling short some of Joey's team mates saying Ricky had far superior weapons outside him. Ours were better but knights were no slouch.
Having rudder at 6 meant he played both sides, centres and wingers were matt Gidley, tahu, hughes, Albert and Robbie O at the back, plenty of guys to hit there
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It's utter bollocks to say Johns had trash around him. That's a star studded line up
the '97 team wasn't that great, but it also won half a comp, and that half of the league was objectively lower quality. That knights team doesnt make the top 4 in the SL imo.
Belcher/Mullins - O'Davis
Nagas/Chicka/Nadruku - McDougall/Tahu/Albert
Meninga/Croker/Daley/Wiki - Hughes/Matt Gidley
Steve Walters - Buderus
Daley - Kurt Gidley/Sean **** Rudder
None of these skins are remotely even **** close either haha
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Agreed. And I only saw the last 10 minutes this morning but he certainly was not afraid to put his body in front of the attackers on his line with the Wigan side under heavy pressure.edwahu wrote: ↑September 21, 2019, 10:00 am Yeah, the overreactions to his slow start to the year have proven to be just that. He is a really quality player from what I can see, there are not many NRL halves I would take before him given what's available.
The only query left would be his defense at NRL level.
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There's no way I'm lookin behind the fridge..
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Yeah he's been bloody impressive lately from what I've seen - seems as though settling his future has completely relaxed him.
Fingers crossed he can translate it over to here, because if he can, we'll have one quality players on our hands.
Fingers crossed he can translate it over to here, because if he can, we'll have one quality players on our hands.
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Ill be most curious to see how he goes defensively
If he can provide us an upgrade in creativity and play making in the halves, and be trusted to make tackles the way Sezer is now that would be a massive result for the club
If he can provide us an upgrade in creativity and play making in the halves, and be trusted to make tackles the way Sezer is now that would be a massive result for the club
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I'm ok on his defence personally, it should be able to hold up. He's pretty stocky and seems to hit well. Sezer doesn't tend to do much defensive work either - he makes the least amount of tackles and second least amount of 1 on 1 tackles per game out of the 16 regular halfbacks.
I'm more concerned with how things like his short kicking and passing games will hold up, which are a real quality of his over there. He also seems to be a good runner with decent toe, but after seeing how easily Austin's ripped up there I probably won't give that as much weight.
I'm more concerned with how things like his short kicking and passing games will hold up, which are a real quality of his over there. He also seems to be a good runner with decent toe, but after seeing how easily Austin's ripped up there I probably won't give that as much weight.