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Here’s photos from the game showing the two most populated sections of the ground. Other photos show banks of stands basically empty. ImageImage
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I don't mind the VC BUT it should take place after both teams are on the field. I seriously don't understand why the Raiders never gets to witness it on the field. I think it would pump them up!
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Here’s a 12,500 crowd at the Asia cup soccer match in 2015. Noting the Meninga stand was only half full due to officials segmented off areas.

Watch the very short videos to see what an honest crowd at Bruce stadium looks like.

I only bang on about this because I used to get more accurate crowd info from a match day food vendor and twice decided to do some randomised crowd counting of sections.

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But the official crowds are... the official crowds. You can't say that, my estimate, by looking and counting a section or two is more accurate than the clicks/beeps at the turnstiles.
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greeneyed wrote:But the official crowds are... the official crowds. You can't say that, my estimate, by looking and counting a section or two is more accurate than the clicks/beeps at the turnstiles.
Cause you can't modify the figures or anything...
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Some interesting posts in here! I want three things.

1. The next chapter in that thrilling tale Gergreg
2. PhilY's autograph/autobiography
3. A lot more Ennis
We continue to **** about with blokes that are part of some fraternity. It's infuriating.
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And I'd like a signed, nude photograph of Albi, but I'm just not going to get one... again
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greeneyed wrote: February 15, 2019, 2:41 pm But the official crowds are... the official crowds. You can't say that, my estimate, by looking and counting a section or two is more accurate than the clicks/beeps at the turnstiles.
I don't know why this is even a debate at this stage but you can't say that the official figures given by the club or NRL, which are supposedly based on clicks/beeps at the turnstiles, are accurate in any sense. Counting attendance at events is always a hotly contested topic - one quick google search on the matter will demonstrate this. Organisations like the NRL have an interest in fudging crowd figures because they are trying to present the game as being at least close to on par with AFL game attendance (which it is nowhere near in reality).

If I were to guess how the NRL or club (I don't really know who is responsible) comes up with their figure for each game, I would suggest that it's a combination of the official number of Raiders season ticketholders plus the number of individual tickets sold for the game. I would be surprised if the turnstile figures are even taken in to consideration (my guess is that the NRL keeps turnstile figures on a database for their own purposes but they aren't released publicly). We have games where the attendance is recorded at 12k and others where the attendance is recorded at 9k but the crowd size by eye is easily about half from when it was 12k... so that leads me to believe that the final figure is made up of all ticketholders plus however many extra tickets sold (even though not all season ticketholders will go to every game).

Counting sold tickets, by the way, is considered a valid method of coming up with an official attendance figure, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if it is in fact the method the NRL uses. This is the method that is used when reporting on attendance at concerts and live music events so I don't see why the NRL wouldn't go down that path (particularly if it makes their product look better).
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greeneyed wrote: February 15, 2019, 2:41 pm But the official crowds are... the official crowds. You can't say that, my estimate, by looking and counting a section or two is more accurate than the clicks/beeps at the turnstiles.
This mentality is how the raiders end up on the cap all the time
Some agent walks into the office and tells us what his player is worth, and we throw rational observations out the window!

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Raiders_Pat wrote: February 15, 2019, 4:47 pm
greeneyed wrote: February 15, 2019, 2:41 pm But the official crowds are... the official crowds. You can't say that, my estimate, by looking and counting a section or two is more accurate than the clicks/beeps at the turnstiles.
I don't know why this is even a debate at this stage but you can't say that the official figures given by the club or NRL, which are supposedly based on clicks/beeps at the turnstiles, are accurate in any sense. Counting attendance at events is always a hotly contested topic - one quick google search on the matter will demonstrate this. Organisations like the NRL have an interest in fudging crowd figures because they are trying to present the game as being at least close to on par with AFL game attendance (which it is nowhere near in reality).

If I were to guess how the NRL or club (I don't really know who is responsible) comes up with their figure for each game, I would suggest that it's a combination of the official number of Raiders season ticketholders plus the number of individual tickets sold for the game. I would be surprised if the turnstile figures are even taken in to consideration (my guess is that the NRL keeps turnstile figures on a database for their own purposes but they aren't released publicly). We have games where the attendance is recorded at 12k and others where the attendance is recorded at 9k but the crowd size by eye is easily about half from when it was 12k... so that leads me to believe that the final figure is made up of all ticketholders plus however many extra tickets sold (even though not all season ticketholders will go to every game).

Counting sold tickets, by the way, is considered a valid method of coming up with an official attendance figure, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if it is in fact the method the NRL uses. This is the method that is used when reporting on attendance at concerts and live music events so I don't see why the NRL wouldn't go down that path (particularly if it makes their product look better).
And that sold figure includes the X number of tickets given away to various corporate sponsors to disperse in promotions etc
Most of which go unused
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Pigman wrote: February 15, 2019, 4:56 pm And that sold figure includes the X number of tickets given away to various corporate sponsors to disperse in promotions etc
Most of which go unused
Yep... also, not sure if all junior registrations come with season tickets now... but if they do, they would definitely use those figures too (and a high number of those tickets would also go unused).
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The Nickman wrote:And I'd like a signed, nude photograph of Albi, but I'm just not going to get one... again
I’ll trade you the one I have of him for one of you in your roo suit


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gergreg wrote:5 minutes before kick-off the crowd waits in anticipation for the sign from the upper most section of the stadium. Woodgers scurries into position leading 3 lambs. Each lamb representing 1000 people. The crowd audibly gasps and quickly turns as one to the same spot, but at the North end of the stadium. GE's rendezvous point. Where is he, what could be holding him up, something must be wrong?

Wait, wait I can see something. How many baby goats is he leading? Yes, yes. I can see at least 4. GE finally reaches his position, had to take a bathroom break on the way, prostate playing up again it seems.

He looks to the Southern end, towards Woodgers. In tandem they both make a signal to the heavens. Meanwhile a representative from the opposition's team seeing the signal rushes to the changeroom to inform their team that the clap is on.

This grand spectacle reaches an almost uncontrollable climax as the drums start beating with fierce intensity and the fans rise as one for the Viking clap.

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The crowd figures now at least are beeps on tickets at the gate. It’s all moot. The official crowd figures are the official crowd figures.
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greeneyed wrote:The crowd figures now at least are beeps on tickets at the gate. It’s all moot. The official crowd figures are the official crowd figures.
The lengths you will stoop to, all just to avoid shepherding your herd of goats to the promised land.

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So... Michael Ennis aye?


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Raiders Lim! wrote: February 16, 2019, 7:28 am So... Michael Ennis aye?


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Haha yeah, I was thinking the same thing. For what it's worth, I think it's time to put all of the Ennis salt behind us and embrace this interesting situation that has a massive upside.
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Just revisiting this 'Viking clap' thread and I couldn't help but notice the Iranian basketball side stealing our Viking clap overnight. How **** dare they just steal our long held traditions. Those sneaky bastards just think they can swoop in and steal what is rightfully ours, and ours alone. My Viking ancestors who migrated from the north to the Southside of Lake Burley Griffin would be rolling over in their Viking boat pyres.

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Undefeated under Michael Ennis's consultancy...
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-PJ- wrote: February 25, 2019, 11:44 am Undefeated under Michael Ennis's consultancy...
8 year contract extension being prepared as we speak
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I’m really happy with this signing as we will get more coverage on NRL tonight and NRL 360 🤗
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Canberra Raiders coaching consultant Michael Ennis cleared to call Green Machine games

Fox Sports has given Canberra’s coaching consultant Michael Ennis the all-clear to call Raiders games despite a perceived conflict of interest.

“No doubt it can be challenging at times, but the ability to stay in touch with the modern game is vital with my commentary and analysis.”

Read more: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... dc49702bda

Not surprising given the huge number of club figures already calling their club's matches. And they have more significant roles than coaching consultant.
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greeneyed wrote:Canberra Raiders coaching consultant Michael Ennis cleared to call Green Machine games

Fox Sports has given Canberra’s coaching consultant Michael Ennis the all-clear to call Raiders games despite a perceived conflict of interest.

“No doubt it can be challenging at times, but the ability to stay in touch with the modern game is vital with my commentary and analysis.”

Read more: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... dc49702bda

Not surprising given the huge number of club figures already calling their club's matches. And they have more significant roles than coaching consultant.
I'm amazed there was even an article dedicated to it. How long has Brandy been calling Panthers games for? 15+ years?

Lockyer sits on the Broncos board and has been calling almost every Broncos game since he retired...

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Raider Azz wrote: March 24, 2019, 11:28 am
greeneyed wrote:Canberra Raiders coaching consultant Michael Ennis cleared to call Green Machine games

Fox Sports has given Canberra’s coaching consultant Michael Ennis the all-clear to call Raiders games despite a perceived conflict of interest.

“No doubt it can be challenging at times, but the ability to stay in touch with the modern game is vital with my commentary and analysis.”

Read more: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... dc49702bda

Not surprising given the huge number of club figures already calling their club's matches. And they have more significant roles than coaching consultant.
I'm amazed there was even an article dedicated to it. How long has Brandy been calling Panthers games for? 15+ years?

Lockyer sits on the Broncos board and has been calling almost every Broncos game since he retired...

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Fox will happily have Alan Jones on the panel for Election coverage, but the same organisation calls Michael Ennis out for his limited Raiders connection.

News Limited must take the cake for Hypocrite of the century.
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Didnt Kevin Walters call Broncos games while coaching? Not to mention the other unbareable ex-Broncos handed jobs that we have to listen to.
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Lockyer still says ‘we’ in commentary of Broncos games. He doesn’t even try to hide his bias.
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I hate biased commentators. Personally I don’t think Ennis should be allowed just because those other blokes are allowed

Absolutely nobody should be allowed to commentate a game for a club they have an affiliation with. It’s just not enjoyable at all to hear them get excited when one team leads and despondent when the other team does


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nacho wrote: February 13, 2019, 12:19 pm I'd rather we only use it when we're in the top 8.
Like Friday night?
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greeneyed wrote: February 15, 2019, 2:41 pm But the official crowds are... the official crowds. You can't say that, my estimate, by looking and counting a section or two is more accurate than the clicks/beeps at the turnstiles.
The official crowd at a Raiders game is figured by adding the "tickers" on the back of each turnstile. This is added up by some person getting paid next to nothing to stand out the front of the game and check you don't bring in a 2L bottle of vodka or some smuggled Kingsleys Chicken.
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Leeroy Jenkins wrote: March 25, 2019, 8:14 am
greeneyed wrote: February 15, 2019, 2:41 pm But the official crowds are... the official crowds. You can't say that, my estimate, by looking and counting a section or two is more accurate than the clicks/beeps at the turnstiles.
The official crowd at a Raiders game is figured by adding the "tickers" on the back of each turnstile. This is added up by some person getting paid next to nothing to stand out the front of the game and check you don't bring in a 2L bottle of vodka or some smuggled Kingsleys Chicken.
When I used to work at a certain NRL club over 10 years ago, I was part of conversations where it was determined what the crowd number should be announced as, rather than an "official" number.

I'm not sure whether this still happens.
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I'm pretty confident it's tickets distributed (sold and comp) + members attending
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-TW- wrote: March 25, 2019, 6:23 pm I'm pretty confident it's tickets distributed (sold and comp) + members attending
No, that's not correct. There are scanning machines at Canberra Stadium for every ticket. One beep is one person. If members don't attend, or tickets are not used, they are not counted.
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greeneyed wrote:
-TW- wrote: March 25, 2019, 6:23 pm I'm pretty confident it's tickets distributed (sold and comp) + members attending
No, that's not correct. There are scanning machines at Canberra Stadium for every ticket. One beep is one person. If members don't attend, or tickets are not used, they are not counted.
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