I only remembered half of those . Yep, denial is 9/10th of the Gus lawCoastalraider wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 11:44 am Ha ha - imagine believing a Penrith denial!
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Coincidentally that’d be about our TPA deficit wouldn’t itT_R wrote:The only explanation is gross managerial incompetence.
If the cap truly is maxed out with us short a half (say $750k), a prop (say $450k) and an outside back (say $350k) there is no other way to look at it.
Think about that - we're maxed out and a million and a half off the pace.
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That's what I saidgreeneyed wrote:No, it is $175,000 for one year.
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The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.
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Nah, the biggest deficit was 800k to Melbourne.gangrenous wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 5:13 pmCoincidentally that’d be about our TPA deficit wouldn’t itT_R wrote:The only explanation is gross managerial incompetence.
If the cap truly is maxed out with us short a half (say $750k), a prop (say $450k) and an outside back (say $350k) there is no other way to look at it.
Think about that - we're maxed out and a million and a half off the pace.
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As I read it, you said it was $350,000 over two years, $175,000 a year.dubby wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 5:17 pmThat's what I saidgreeneyed wrote:No, it is $175,000 for one year.
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I was saying it is $175,000, this year only.
But I'm happy to be corrected!
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The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.
If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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The club is chasing him.
That means we must have an offer in the general ballpark of what he’s worth. Possibly with the hope that a starting fullback spot here over a wing or ressies spot there will be the difference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t come off though.
But the Panthers have no reason to be quick to tell Edwards whether he’s wanted or not, particularly as he’s contracted so they’re under no pressure to release him soon.
That means we must have an offer in the general ballpark of what he’s worth. Possibly with the hope that a starting fullback spot here over a wing or ressies spot there will be the difference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t come off though.
But the Panthers have no reason to be quick to tell Edwards whether he’s wanted or not, particularly as he’s contracted so they’re under no pressure to release him soon.
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Might just be haggling over how much Panthers will cover? And the negotiation games are now playing out in the media.Ruben Daley wrote:The club is chasing him.
That means we must have an offer in the general ballpark of what he’s worth. Possibly with the hope that a starting fullback spot here over a wing or ressies spot there will be the difference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t come off though.
But the Panthers have no reason to be quick to tell Edwards whether he’s wanted or not, particularly as he’s contracted so they’re under no pressure to release him soon.
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Good to know... hopefully things fall our way. I'm pretty keen on him as a player... i've been wrong before and will be again, but if we're moving Wighton back to the halves, he's the sort of play that fits well in that structure imoRuben Daley wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 5:57 pm The club is chasing him.
That means we must have an offer in the general ballpark of what he’s worth. Possibly with the hope that a starting fullback spot here over a wing or ressies spot there will be the difference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t come off though.
But the Panthers have no reason to be quick to tell Edwards whether he’s wanted or not, particularly as he’s contracted so they’re under no pressure to release him soon.
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Agreed. His support play in particular is well above average.Pigman wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 6:23 pmGood to know... hopefully things fall our way. I'm pretty keen on him as a player... i've been wrong before and will be again, but if we're moving Wighton back to the halves, he's the sort of play that fits well in that structure imoRuben Daley wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 5:57 pm The club is chasing him.
That means we must have an offer in the general ballpark of what he’s worth. Possibly with the hope that a starting fullback spot here over a wing or ressies spot there will be the difference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t come off though.
But the Panthers have no reason to be quick to tell Edwards whether he’s wanted or not, particularly as he’s contracted so they’re under no pressure to release him soon.
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Yeah, maybe. Though I wonder if there’s much argument for the Panthers to pay anything. We want him, he wants to leave (theoretically) but the Panthers don’t really gain anything by letting him go.gergreg wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 6:09 pmMight just be haggling over how much Panthers will cover? And the negotiation games are now playing out in the media.Ruben Daley wrote:The club is chasing him.
That means we must have an offer in the general ballpark of what he’s worth. Possibly with the hope that a starting fullback spot here over a wing or ressies spot there will be the difference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t come off though.
But the Panthers have no reason to be quick to tell Edwards whether he’s wanted or not, particularly as he’s contracted so they’re under no pressure to release him soon.
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Unless they’re chasing someone else, which could also delay things.
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Agree with you both. Always hard to tel how a guy will pan out but he’s got a lot going for him.Wiki Special wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 7:25 pmAgreed. His support play in particular is well above average.Pigman wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 6:23 pmGood to know... hopefully things fall our way. I'm pretty keen on him as a player... i've been wrong before and will be again, but if we're moving Wighton back to the halves, he's the sort of play that fits well in that structure imoRuben Daley wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 5:57 pm The club is chasing him.
That means we must have an offer in the general ballpark of what he’s worth. Possibly with the hope that a starting fullback spot here over a wing or ressies spot there will be the difference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t come off though.
But the Panthers have no reason to be quick to tell Edwards whether he’s wanted or not, particularly as he’s contracted so they’re under no pressure to release him soon.
I’m also a big fan of getting a guy who wants to prove he’s a genuine starter.
Re: Edwards-Raiders rumour a dud
Instead of going after Edwards... we sign a New Zealand rugby 7’s winger, this club
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Looks like it’s not happening but if it did Penrith wouldn’t pay a cent, obviously.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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Gould denies everything, always. Until it happens (or not)- whether it's good or bad for panthers actually.
He is more than willing to pay freight if it suits his vision. Not sure Edwards is worth paying out for a club though.
It'd be nice.
He is more than willing to pay freight if it suits his vision. Not sure Edwards is worth paying out for a club though.
It'd be nice.
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Gus could look you straight in the eyes and flat out deny he was a victim of a multiple bee sting attack to his face as a youngster...
Clearly..hes lying !!!
The internal goings on at our club, our current situation ref salary cap is depressing.
The rich get richer, the poor get the picture...
Clearly..hes lying !!!
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The rich get richer, the poor get the picture...
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Like me, were you on the Sezer from Titans bandwagon?!? Coz we got burnt therePigman wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 6:23 pmGood to know... hopefully things fall our way. I'm pretty keen on him as a player... i've been wrong before and will be again, but if we're moving Wighton back to the halves, he's the sort of play that fits well in that structure imoRuben Daley wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 5:57 pm The club is chasing him.
That means we must have an offer in the general ballpark of what he’s worth. Possibly with the hope that a starting fullback spot here over a wing or ressies spot there will be the difference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t come off though.
But the Panthers have no reason to be quick to tell Edwards whether he’s wanted or not, particularly as he’s contracted so they’re under no pressure to release him soon.
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Sezer has not lived up to what I thought he would. But I’d hardly say we’ve been burnt.Matt wrote: ↑January 16, 2019, 7:36 amLike me, were you on the Sezer from Titans bandwagon?!? Coz we got burnt therePigman wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 6:23 pmGood to know... hopefully things fall our way. I'm pretty keen on him as a player... i've been wrong before and will be again, but if we're moving Wighton back to the halves, he's the sort of play that fits well in that structure imoRuben Daley wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 5:57 pm The club is chasing him.
That means we must have an offer in the general ballpark of what he’s worth. Possibly with the hope that a starting fullback spot here over a wing or ressies spot there will be the difference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t come off though.
But the Panthers have no reason to be quick to tell Edwards whether he’s wanted or not, particularly as he’s contracted so they’re under no pressure to release him soon.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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Its not Matt Awful, being burnt, but Id still put it in the 'burnt' category. He hasnt been as good as he was for the Titans.julian87 wrote: ↑January 16, 2019, 7:49 amSezer has not lived up to what I thought he would. But I’d hardly say we’ve been burnt.Matt wrote: ↑January 16, 2019, 7:36 amLike me, were you on the Sezer from Titans bandwagon?!? Coz we got burnt therePigman wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 6:23 pmGood to know... hopefully things fall our way. I'm pretty keen on him as a player... i've been wrong before and will be again, but if we're moving Wighton back to the halves, he's the sort of play that fits well in that structure imoRuben Daley wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 5:57 pm The club is chasing him.
That means we must have an offer in the general ballpark of what he’s worth. Possibly with the hope that a starting fullback spot here over a wing or ressies spot there will be the difference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t come off though.
But the Panthers have no reason to be quick to tell Edwards whether he’s wanted or not, particularly as he’s contracted so they’re under no pressure to release him soon.
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I think he's worse as we're now into year 4 and 5 of bog-average play from Sezer. At least Orford was gone within about 2 monthsMatt wrote: ↑January 16, 2019, 7:50 amIts not Matt Awful, being burnt, but Id still put it in the 'burnt' category. He hasnt been as good as he was for the Titans.julian87 wrote: ↑January 16, 2019, 7:49 amSezer has not lived up to what I thought he would. But I’d hardly say we’ve been burnt.Matt wrote: ↑January 16, 2019, 7:36 amLike me, were you on the Sezer from Titans bandwagon?!? Coz we got burnt therePigman wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 6:23 pmGood to know... hopefully things fall our way. I'm pretty keen on him as a player... i've been wrong before and will be again, but if we're moving Wighton back to the halves, he's the sort of play that fits well in that structure imoRuben Daley wrote: ↑January 15, 2019, 5:57 pm The club is chasing him.
That means we must have an offer in the general ballpark of what he’s worth. Possibly with the hope that a starting fullback spot here over a wing or ressies spot there will be the difference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t come off though.
But the Panthers have no reason to be quick to tell Edwards whether he’s wanted or not, particularly as he’s contracted so they’re under no pressure to release him soon.
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The denial means nothing, especially from Gus.
That said, he's not coming.
That said, he's not coming.
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Let's just relax and wait and see what Craig Norenberg has to say.
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It’s hard to understand how Ricky Stuart still has a job and how the club is allowing Ricky to do another rebuild of the club. It’s desperate times at the club to be moving Papa to The front row and Wighton to 5/8.
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Papalli to the middle move was always going to happen - he began as a barrel shaped dude and forwards only ever get bigger. His movement in defence on the edge was becoming exploitable (not BAD by any means, but a little edge for smart teams to expose for sure) which is why he had already been moved into the middle. I don't think shifting him to prop (if that happens) from lock is that big a deal. Papa was a world class edge forward who was clearly going to end up a prop at some stage.
Wighton to 5/8 has some upside- leaves us with solid defensive halves. We don't lose much in attack since we rely on dangerous edges anyway. It will clear up the lines of command- Hodgo and Sezer are the boss, Jack runs the ball or runs his sweep. He has a huge boot as an option if long clearing kicks are needed. He's shown ability last season with the delicate grubbers. Mid range kicks is Sezer and Hodgo's territory imo.
Downside is we lose a very good fullback- but worth it if we gain a good half imo.
Fullback if we don't recruit could be Oldfield (Abbey on a wing or this giant 7s kid)- who looks like a solid FG footy player to me. Or Abbey (who was only 21 and needed to fill out, I wouldn't quite scrap him yet). If they don't shape up, we can put Cotric there and know we'll get a very solid result (with his talent, an unknown ceiling too).
After 10-11 rounds, we'll have the option of putting Rapa back there (if Jack is doing well). Imagine Rapa with a roving support commission at FB running off Papa, Tapine, Whitehead, BJ...
I'm not going to be all doom and gloom.
Wighton to 5/8 has some upside- leaves us with solid defensive halves. We don't lose much in attack since we rely on dangerous edges anyway. It will clear up the lines of command- Hodgo and Sezer are the boss, Jack runs the ball or runs his sweep. He has a huge boot as an option if long clearing kicks are needed. He's shown ability last season with the delicate grubbers. Mid range kicks is Sezer and Hodgo's territory imo.
Downside is we lose a very good fullback- but worth it if we gain a good half imo.
Fullback if we don't recruit could be Oldfield (Abbey on a wing or this giant 7s kid)- who looks like a solid FG footy player to me. Or Abbey (who was only 21 and needed to fill out, I wouldn't quite scrap him yet). If they don't shape up, we can put Cotric there and know we'll get a very solid result (with his talent, an unknown ceiling too).
After 10-11 rounds, we'll have the option of putting Rapa back there (if Jack is doing well). Imagine Rapa with a roving support commission at FB running off Papa, Tapine, Whitehead, BJ...
I'm not going to be all doom and gloom.
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Nice post BnM
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Papa will kill it in the middle...It's an easy move
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Definitely. He killed it his entire time in the middle last season too.
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YepWiki Special wrote: ↑January 16, 2019, 8:08 pmDefinitely. He killed it his entire time in the middle last season too.
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the Oldfield/giant 7s kid option a good chance I reckonBadnMean wrote: ↑January 16, 2019, 7:09 pm Papalli to the middle move was always going to happen - he began as a barrel shaped dude and forwards only ever get bigger. His movement in defence on the edge was becoming exploitable (not BAD by any means, but a little edge for smart teams to expose for sure) which is why he had already been moved into the middle. I don't think shifting him to prop (if that happens) from lock is that big a deal. Papa was a world class edge forward who was clearly going to end up a prop at some stage.
Wighton to 5/8 has some upside- leaves us with solid defensive halves. We don't lose much in attack since we rely on dangerous edges anyway. It will clear up the lines of command- Hodgo and Sezer are the boss, Jack runs the ball or runs his sweep. He has a huge boot as an option if long clearing kicks are needed. He's shown ability last season with the delicate grubbers. Mid range kicks is Sezer and Hodgo's territory imo.
Downside is we lose a very good fullback- but worth it if we gain a good half imo.
Fullback if we don't recruit could be Oldfield (Abbey on a wing or this giant 7s kid)- who looks like a solid FG footy player to me. Or Abbey (who was only 21 and needed to fill out, I wouldn't quite scrap him yet). If they don't shape up, we can put Cotric there and know we'll get a very solid result (with his talent, an unknown ceiling too).
After 10-11 rounds, we'll have the option of putting Rapa back there (if Jack is doing well). Imagine Rapa with a roving support commission at FB running off Papa, Tapine, Whitehead, BJ...
I'm not going to be all doom and gloom.
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Jumped on this thread to read about Edwards. But all the talk is about Paps playing middle forward.
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Yeah thanks- feel free to quote me in round 9 when it's all gone to shizzle
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Norenburg reputation will take a big hit if there haven’t been some negotiations at least